# ‘Not to Get Zealotrous’, with Craig Mod – The Talk Show [‘Not to Get Zealotrous’, with Craig Mod – The Talk Show](https://daringfireball.net/thetalkshow/2021/04/11/ep-312) > Craig Mod joins the show to talk about writing, designing, filmmaking, what makes for good software, and building a successful membership program to support independent art. And: pizza toast. From start to finish a stellar episode of *The Talk Show*. I gleaned ideas and inspiration for [[Chasing the Stick - The Book – Here I Go Again|my own book project]]. And what’s not to love about pizza toast?