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Enjoy. --- I wanted to ask you, 'cause I I just watched the episode beforehand, but you didn't you never m specifically mentioned the Rom Communism episode of *00:00* Ted Lasso. *00:10* Yeah Yes this might well be trying I thought that would be one you would enjoy. *00:12* Which one is this? *00:26* Rom communism. *00:27* He uses there's all these rom com references, but at the end is when Roy goes back to Richmond. *00:29* So he like gets up and leaves in the middle of the studio. *00:37* He's like, Oh yeah, we're not in there. *00:40* We've got you know, we don't know what they're thinking. *00:42* He does the whole run back. *00:45* Yeah, okay. *00:47* I know what you're doing. *00:48* talking about. *00:49* They all kind of blur together in my mind because you watched them so yeah the they take Isaac to the place where Roy learned to play, you know, things like that. *00:49* Everyone's favorite Nathan is starting his uh tra his transformation is becoming more apparent. *00:59* He's like wearing the suit now because he learned how to get big. *01:07* Yeah, this girl is also very glad I watched this and we were talking about it the other night. *01:11* Well she could try to hate Nathan. *01:15* Does she also hate Nathan? *01:19* Yeah, but she's like, yeah, but you're like supposed to. *01:22* She I told her I was I was like, my biggest problem is I hate Nathan. *01:24* She's like, oh, so does everybody. *01:27* That's not the biggest problem. *01:28* It's like who's out here defending Nathan? *01:29* Yeah. *01:32* My *01:33* So my favorite episode, the funeral. *01:35* Mm-hmm. *01:39* I love what they do with the Rick Roll. *01:40* They actually take a joke. *01:45* Everyone knows it. *01:47* And they actually make it mean something. *01:49* What? *01:53* Like it actually has a impact. *01:54* Like at first you're like, oh my gosh, Rick Astley. *01:56* Like that's funny. *01:58* She of course she has like a poster of Rick Astley in her bedroom. *01:59* But then they actually turn the song into something of meaning and importance that actually has an impact in this context of the show *02:02* And just where everyone is, like it's all culminating, right? *02:10* All the these this love triangle between Keely and uh Roy and Jamie, that's kind of coming to a head there and Ted. *02:13* His own struggles. *02:23* I believe that's I'm not there yet in my rewatch again, but you know, that's the episode with where he opens up to the therapist, right? *02:24* I think he has a total death thing. *02:31* Yeah. *02:35* I love that episode. *02:36* Yeah, 'cause he like freaks out. *02:37* Yeah, it's good. *02:39* And then he also says, uh Well he said I like one of the like the payoffs and you don't you wouldn't understand this probably 'cause I don't know if you even know *02:41* I mean you've heard it in the show but he gets addressed really fast in one episode and then he's like, Oh you got done fast. *02:50* He's like, I I believe *02:56* I believe it should only take a man as long uh to Phil Collins easy lover to get ready. *02:57* Which is literally the episode of the Robcom episode. *03:02* Yeah, and then when he's getting ready for the funeral, he's like sitting there listening to Easy Lover putting his clothes on. *03:06* I'm like, this is a good callback to the before was a good thing. *03:12* That's a good that's a good reference. *03:14* That's very good. *03:16* Yeah, it's I think the show's better the second time around. *03:18* You notice a lot of little smaller things and *03:22* You can look like it watching Nate's arc from episode one, season one, and seeing him everything be planted and transformed. *03:26* It's I love it. *03:35* That's really good. *03:37* Rebecca, she's come into her her own as like the what did you think about in the moment? *03:38* Bec before it's revealed that Rebecca is talking to Sam on banter, they plant the seed of it's Ted that she's talking to Ted. *03:47* What did how did you feel about that mentality? *03:56* That it was gonna be Ted? *04:01* Yeah, like the idea of oh now they're gonna put the two of them together. *04:03* I mean I thought it would have made sense. *04:07* I was more uncomfortable with it being Sam. *04:10* You knew it was gonna be somebody she knew. *04:12* That was the whole point. *04:15* Yeah, that was the thing. *04:16* So you were you were uncomfortable with the Sam thing? *04:17* Yeah, it was weird. *04:20* I was fine with it. *04:21* I was like, yeah, whatever. *04:22* Literally his boss. *04:24* And I get that they're both adults. *04:26* Yeah. *04:28* I get that they're both adults, but it was still like a strange dynamic for sure. *04:28* Sure. *04:34* Like there was a reason they were hiding it from everybody. *04:34* Uh yeah, because it's a little weird. *04:38* My mom, actually, that was like a big turn-off for my mom, was this whole *04:41* I think she stopped watching the show. *04:45* I was like, what what's the problem here? *04:47* They're both adults, like date whoever they want. *04:49* I sure he's younger. *04:54* She just thought it was the age gap was gross. *04:55* The way they explain it, I guess, is that they got to know each other. *04:58* Um *05:03* Through banter. *05:06* They got to know each other, yeah, before they knew who they were, so they kind of A place where a place where minds go to undress themselves. *05:07* Yeah. *05:15* It's good. *05:16* Man, so season three should be out, I think by April is the Emmy cutoff time. *05:17* So it should be airing by April *05:26* So they can make it into the next Emmys. *05:29* Which hopefully is when Better Call Saul bags all of the things they should have been bagging all along. *05:33* My my box set for better call sol shows up this week. *05:41* Uh what is your thing there you have? *05:47* What thing? *05:51* The on your uh the Bob Odin curtain. *05:52* What did those buttons correspond with? *05:56* I c I don't know if you remember my when I was streaming GameCube games, I had this like *05:58* uh template picture thing or whatever. *06:06* Cause have you seen the pictures of Bob Odenkirk? *06:09* Playing the GameCube. *06:14* So I have one for the the template with Bob and then I have one without Bob. *06:18* So one's Bob and one's called Sans Bob. *06:24* I got you. *06:28* I was wondering what that was. *06:30* It's a very good picture. *06:33* Let's see, let's see, let's see. *06:36* Cop head shows up this week. *06:38* And Better Call Saul, the complete series box set shows up this week. *06:40* What is this? *06:46* I just I have the complete Better Call Saul series on Blu-ray showing up this week. *06:48* So *06:52* Da-da. *06:53* With what does the back of the box say? *06:54* It says something. *06:56* Over 70 hours of special features. *06:57* Including casting crew commentaries on every episode. *07:01* Deleted scenes, gag reels, behind-the-scenes featurettes, and more. *07:06* I wonder if they do a documentary like they did for Breaking Bad. *07:09* There are two pictures on the back of the box that are in black and white because the characters were only ever in the present timeline. *07:15* That's good. *07:21* Very good. *07:22* Oh, that's a good. *07:26* Alright, let's do this fast film. *07:29* Okie dokie smokey. *07:33* Let's get rolling. *07:35* I want *07:36* talk about this. *07:36* She's an easy lover. *07:40* Hello, everybody, and welcome. *07:54* Welcome to Chapter Select, a seasonal podcast where we bounce back and forth between a series exploring their evolution, design, and legacy for the season four finale. *07:56* We are wrapping up our coverage on the Fast and Furious series. *08:06* My name is Max Roberts, and I'm joined, as always, by Logan Moore. *08:09* Hi, Logan. *08:12* Max is one Iron Man, Tony Stark once said. *08:13* Part of the journey is the end. *08:17* And this is the end. *08:20* Sort of. *08:22* Like the end for now until May of twenty twenty three. *08:23* Are you fast X? *08:26* You're summoning *08:28* The MCU into this discussion. *08:30* Fitting since, you know, they're it's basically all superhero movies at this point. *08:31* It's basically the same thing. *08:35* Yeah *08:37* Essentially. *08:38* So are you saying that Vin Diesel will snap his fingers at some point and sacrifice himself? *08:38* I mean, I don't know how much else they have left to cover at this point. *08:42* We fly cars in this film. *08:46* Like not just through the air but into the space. *08:49* Yep. *08:52* They finally go to space. *08:52* I don't know how much ground we have left to cover. *08:54* So yeah, maybe he will snap and all the half the cars in the universe will disappear or something. *08:57* Oh my goodness gracious. *09:03* Yes, it's uh F9, the fast saga, or as some might call it just fine *09:05* Say or as I call it, the worst title of all of them. *09:11* Why F nine, the fast saga like what is I don't I don't know. *09:14* It's it they *09:18* It's so funny because we just complained with Fate of the Furious that they didn't have the courage to put the number in that A where it would actually make sense. *09:19* And then this one they *09:28* They do put the number there, but it but then we have a colon and the fast five ghost fast five is has been poorly named, I would say. *09:30* You like Furious Seven, but but they tried to do that with six and then they like the title sequence, but then it doesn't it's not actually the name of it. *09:41* Uh outside of that, Furious Furious Seven is is good, I think. *09:51* It it fits and *09:57* Yeah, I just like those two movies. *09:59* Fate of the Furious is actually a good title, but only if they would have done Fate of the Furious. *10:01* So it's okay. *10:07* At least it's not as long and drawn out as the Fast and the Furious presents Hobbes and Shaw *10:08* Or uh as it's called in Japan, which is, do you remember? *10:16* Uh Super Wild Speed Super Combo. *10:20* Wild Speed Super Combo, yeah. *10:24* Which is super. *10:26* I didn't remember, so I'm glad you did, actually. *10:26* Yes, I remember. *10:28* 'Cause I I made some art for it. *10:30* Some special art for it. *10:32* So So for the last time, Max, let's run down this film. *10:33* Last time for now. *10:36* So I guess the I mean we'll talk about this more maybe at the end, but we will do future episodes for Fast X and Fast *10:37* 11, whatever that's gonna be, whenever those come out, and we'll put them in this feed. *10:44* So this season will continue onward. *10:48* Eventually years down the road. *10:52* Or months down the road, I guess, because we're somewhat close to Fast X releasing. *10:54* But anywho, for the last time now *10:58* Let's run down everything about F9 that the fast saga. *11:02* This film came out on June 25th, 2021. *11:06* As we talked about before though, this one got caught in COVID limbo, so it was supposed to come out in 2020. *11:09* Got pushed back a bunch, eventually came out in two 2021. *11:14* Uh it was directed again by Justin Lynn. *11:18* Welcome back. *11:21* And then *11:22* Soon after goodbye, run off the set of FastX. *11:23* Jeffrey Kirshenbaum, Joe Roth, Clayton Townsend, and Samantha Vincent. *11:30* There are a lot of hands on this now when it comes to producers. *11:36* My goodness. *11:39* Yes, very much so. *11:40* It was written by Daniel Casey and Justin Lynn. *11:41* And the primary actors this time around were Vin Diesel, Michelle Rodriguez, Tyrese Gibson, Chris Ludakris Bridges, Sung Kang, Natalia Emmanuel, Kurt Russell, kind of, but not really. *11:44* Uh John Cena and Charlize Thoreau. *11:57* The composer was once again Brian Tyler. *12:00* The stunt coordinators were Steve Griffin, David Kubua *12:03* uh who also assisted on Hobbs and Shaw, which you noted. *12:07* Uh J. *12:10* J. *12:11* Perry, Spyro Razatos, and Troy Robinson. *12:11* The budget for this movie was two hundred million dollars, and even releasing in Covid times, it still made *12:15* $726 million worldwide, which is low, but again COVID. *12:22* But coming off of But it still made triple over triple its money back. *12:29* So like Yes, but coming off of Furious *12:33* It was I think Furious 7 was 1. *12:36* 2 billion, and then I think Fate of the Furious was maybe eight or something. *12:38* We could check this. *12:42* We have the the power. *12:43* But *12:44* It's definitely the lowest one in a in the last few. *12:45* I mean they poured two hundred million into this, so they surely expected to make five or six times their money back. *12:49* So it is a disappointment on that front, but to still net *12:55* five hundred million dollar profit. *12:59* Pretty good, I would say. *13:01* Not too shabby for releasing in I I on the earlier side of the COVID releases too. *13:03* I really don't feel like the m movies started getting off the ground again until *13:09* Wanna say like late summer last year with like Shang Chi, Shang Chi and Venom. *13:14* Yeah, it was actually the first *13:19* It was the one of the first movies I s we saw back in movie theaters. *13:21* Um we saw Tokyo Drift, because they were playing all of the movies as a build-up to F9. *13:25* And then we saw like A Quiet Place Part Two, Curella, and then *13:31* F9 Fassaga. *13:34* So you went to the theater for Cruella. *13:36* We missed the movie theater, man. *13:39* We were dying for it. *13:40* So and then *13:41* Fate of the Furious 1. *13:43* 236 billion. *13:44* So it's a 500 million drop from movie to movie. *13:46* It's more in line with Hobbes and Shaw. *13:50* But still, like, what are you gonna do? *13:53* Still a lot of money. *13:54* The world went crazy. *13:55* Uh Rotten Tomatoes on this one. *13:57* Critics gave it a 59% aggregate score. *13:59* Audiences ended up going with an 82%. *14:03* aggregate score, which surprises me with the audience. *14:05* Because I think *14:11* I think people know what these movies are at this point, so you kind of know what you're signing up for when you go to see one of these. *14:14* That being said, to launch uh *14:21* I don't know if we want to talk too much about our own histories with this movie, so I'll just launch right into my own thoughts if you want to. *14:23* Um, because our histories are just that. *14:29* Our histories are 18 months ago. *14:31* Yeah. *14:33* There's really nothing to say. *14:34* Personally speaking, though *14:35* I think this movie is like you said it was just fine. *14:37* That's kind of how I feel about it. *14:40* Like this is the most unremarkable movie, I think, in the entire The Fast Saga. *14:41* Apparently, that's what we're calling it. *14:50* I I don't hate it. *14:51* Like there are things I actively disliked about eight. *14:53* And there are things in this movie that are both good and bad. *14:57* But I I I am so lukewarm on this movie. *15:01* It just This was just something I put on last night and watched and then *15:04* That's about it. *15:09* I don't know. *15:10* The movie was over and then there's still fun parts to it, though. *15:10* I I don't know. *15:14* It's just I do not have strong feelings on this one. *15:15* And *15:20* Yeah, that's that's about that's about it. *15:21* It's it it's such a i I mentioned this to you too. *15:24* The pacing is strange in this. *15:26* I I feel like it gets off to a great start and then it just *15:29* It's a lull for a good 90 minutes or so. *15:32* It's very, I don't know, and we can get more in-depth when we start breaking down story stuff like what I like and what I don't like. *15:36* But I I largely just *15:42* It's just kind of there. *15:45* It exists. *15:47* I remember leaving the theater pretty disappointed in this one. *15:49* Uh feeling pretty *15:52* Let down in general. *15:54* Coming back to it now for this show, I walked away liking it a lot more. *15:56* It's certainly way better than Fate of the Furious, I think. *16:01* I think it does a lot *16:04* Better. *16:05* It's better than Faye the Furious, yeah. *16:05* Faye. *16:07* Actively I think that movie's like actively bad. *16:08* Yeah. *16:11* So this is definitely better. *16:12* And I think *16:13* A big problem this movie has had. *16:15* Maybe it won't have going in the future, but the biggest problem is *16:19* At least for me, and I think you too a little bit because you were a bit more aware of it, the trailers for this movie spoil everything. *16:24* Just like they did with Hobbs and Shaw. *16:32* Uh Han coming back was promotional material. *16:34* And then space going to outer space. *16:37* Going to outer space. *16:40* I didn't realize Charlie's character, what's her name? *16:41* Uh Cypher. *16:43* I didn't realize she was locked up, supposed to be locked up half the movie. *16:44* The trailers presented her still as like *16:47* The primary villain. *16:49* And so it's like, well, I know she's gonna get out. *16:51* What it what do we do? *16:54* Yeah, it's it's uh I wish, and then the whole John Cena is *16:55* The brother, the long lost brother, your favorite type of plot device, the brother no one's ever mentioned before. *17:01* Well, this movie takes a lot of cues from Uncharted 4. *17:08* Uh in ways other than just *17:12* the long-lost brother returns storyline. *17:15* But I think if we had reined some of that back in promotional wise. *17:19* Han, if Han could have been a secret, that would have been pretty great. *17:24* I get why they promote it, because him returning is a big deal, draws people to the theater. *17:27* But the whole brother twist I think could have hit really could have hit a bit better if it was a secret going in *17:33* Just they they let everyone know all of the kind of the big moments from this movie and they had no restraint. *17:40* And I think it's weaker for that if you know it going in. *17:48* My biggest problem with this movie, so let's get right into the brother stuff, because that is obviously core to the plot. *17:53* And I don't have a problem with his brother showing up and being around. *17:59* Than pulling the Uncharted 4 like Dominic Toretto's long lost brother finally appears and it's John Cena and whatever. *18:04* That's fine. *18:11* I uh these movies have already done way stupider things, so I can forgive them. *18:13* For that. *18:18* I think my problem though with that and with the entirety of this movie is that I wrote this down on my notes. *18:19* Is uh this movie should have been called Revisionist History, the movie, because there's so much in this that changes the past. *18:27* Not only *18:37* Dom have Dom and Mia having a brother that they never spoke of. *18:38* Okay, that's one thing. *18:42* That's the most obvious upfront duh thing. *18:43* But *18:46* They change the context around Dom's dad's death. *18:46* They change the context around why he went to jail. *18:50* They change the context of Han's death. *18:54* They change like all of these things that we have like got been used to. *18:58* I know we watched uh Tokyo drift a little later in our own run through here, but but they basically go back and changed *19:02* fifteen to twenty years worth of established fast lore in this film and tweak it. *19:10* And I think that's fine to some degree, but there's far too much of it in this movie. *19:17* And the Han stuff is what really put me over the top. *19:21* My big my biggest takeaway from this movie is that Han should be dead. *19:24* Why is he in this movie? *19:28* I like I know people are glad that he's back and they're happy to see him and he's a fan favorite. *19:30* He should be dead. *19:34* his existence in this movie and his return and the way that they explain that is just so it's about family Logan *19:38* always about family. *19:49* It doesn't I mean it is always about family, yes, but they they just hand wave it and they're like, well how did you do it? *19:51* And he's just like, oh Mr Nobody. *19:56* It's like, well that doesn't really explain anything. *19:58* Mr. *20:00* Nobody has a lot of power in this universe. *20:00* Okay. *20:03* Let's go Oh sticking with Han. *20:04* We'll stick with Han, that's where we're at. *20:08* I think Han would have I said it earlier. *20:12* Han would have played better if no one knew Han was coming back. *20:14* Like if it was legitimately a surprise. *20:17* I think that would have helped tremendously. *20:19* You're not you were not wronged. *20:22* The whole Well, that's a neat trick. *20:24* It's like your body was in this car *20:27* How did you get through? *20:29* Yeah, we don't have to repeat it. *20:30* Shaw just walks in front of it and then the camera cuts and then he's out of it. *20:32* It's like and then he's and then he's like, oh yeah, Mr. *20:36* Nobody did this. *20:38* Like, well that doesn't make sense. *20:39* So you have teleportation abilities? *20:40* It's like *20:42* A big cart bonus blank, Mr. *20:43* Nobody can fix it. *20:46* Which is and then the universe. *20:48* No, I think this is the most overt *20:52* I think this is worse than than bringing back Letty. *20:54* Letty's death was still we never saw her actually dead. *20:57* We all watched Han blow up. *21:01* Like And the problem with that is is is you're right. *21:03* It's a revisionist history in the sense of *21:06* No one knew how popular Han was going to be with the audience. *21:09* And Tokyo Drift was first, and the first thing they do is kill him. *21:14* And they used some timeline wonkiness to have him in a couple of the following movies, which was fine and made sense. *21:18* Like, ah, we're going to Tokyo. *21:23* But as soon as we got past the Tokyo part of the timeline. *21:25* Everyone still wanted Han in these movies. *21:29* And he had been a part of what made it so successful in four, five, and six to the Well, and everybody was mad about the way that they that the Shaw. *21:31* I'm aware of the whole *21:40* Justice for Han stuff, like I I was obviously not a around when that was a big talking point, but I I know of that and yes. *21:41* Yes. *21:51* And so *21:51* They definitely just wave their hands and go, Han is back, Han is alive. *21:53* It's so you know. *22:00* But then that's what I'm saying, is like the way that they bring him back and put him in the movie feels like it has no *22:01* impact at all. *22:07* Like it's like, oh well what have you what has he been doing? *22:09* Oh, I've been taking care of this little girl that I ran across. *22:11* Why? *22:14* Oh, because I was running *22:15* That's the other thing I don't like about where these movies have been at. *22:16* And I told you when they introduced Mr. *22:19* Nobody, I was not a huge fan of his character, and you're like, come on, oh *22:21* He's he's great and I like Kurt Russell as him, but they're using Mr. *22:24* Nobody as this central character for just *22:27* Uh just I I I I don't know. *22:32* Like all ties go back to him, essentially. *22:34* Like, oh I'm I'm I'm alive. *22:36* He's like, how am I *22:39* He's in the theory of the group. *22:41* Kind of. *22:42* How am I alive? *22:43* Oh, it's because of Mr. *22:43* Nobody. *22:44* And then John Cena. *22:45* I'm a super spy. *22:47* How did you get become a super spy? *22:47* I teamed up with Mr. *22:49* Nobody previously. *22:50* It's like everything comes back to him somehow. *22:51* Wait until Mr. *22:55* Nobody is the true villain of it all. *22:56* He probably will be. *22:58* It's not too far from Cecil in Invincible. *23:01* Like he uh controls everything and the whole groups and everything. *23:05* Cecil has like crazy tech at his disposal. *23:09* Mr. *23:12* Nobody's just like this dude who rolls up and he has a lot of money in cars. *23:12* I'm not saying he doesn't have tech *23:15* I was gonna say you're talking Cecil from Invincible and he's got like portals and stuff like that. *23:17* True, true, true. *23:23* Like invisibility technology. *23:25* Like he's got all kinds of *23:26* Mr. *23:28* Nobody's just like, hey, I'm a dude in a suit and I hide in this warehouse and I've got a bunch of cars and money. *23:28* And that's about it. *23:33* Yeah, okay. *23:34* It's fine. *23:35* I *23:36* It's kind of a fumbly way to handle it. *23:38* And with Justin Lynn back at the helm, the guy who created Han, I get why they went through the effort to bring him back. *23:40* It just is for audiences narratively, it's just a wash. *23:47* But now that Han is back, it's what do we do with this character going forward? *23:51* Everyone's back in the family now. *23:57* It did lead to some really good moments though. *23:59* I think the embrace. *24:01* Han just walking into the base is like the l most low-key like, welcome back, man. *24:03* But the hug with the Dom *24:09* I think has some weight to it. *24:11* It you could, you know, I think they acted that out pretty well. *24:13* And then uh *24:16* seeing the Tokyo Drift Boys back, which I'm sure we'll touch on when we go to space. *24:19* Yeah. *24:23* But having them see each other at the barbecue at the end, that's nice. *24:23* Having, you know, Lucas Black and Lil Bow Alby there. *24:27* It's cool. *24:30* And then did you watch the Twinkies Twinkies Twinkies rocking uh Jordan 3s in this movie? *24:32* And you had to call shout that out. *24:37* There you go. *24:38* The shoe call out *24:38* And then did you watch the post or mid credit scene? *24:40* Yeah, I did. *24:42* Yes. *24:43* Yeah, I think that's also a cool it's it's rare to see Shaw surprised. *24:43* And so that's a fun *24:48* Where will that g you know, what happens there? *24:50* Probably just probably a fistible. *24:52* They just shake hands and then they're all family. *24:55* But it's a good it's a good scene and it's fun to see, you know, Shaw punching a person inside of a punching bag and *24:58* have that moment. *25:05* So they do some cool stuff with it. *25:06* And now that it's washed and gone, we can move on and just be like, hi Han, what are you going to do in Fast 10 with Jason Momoa and stuff? *25:08* So *25:15* We'll go there. *25:16* And Brie Larson. *25:17* Bree Lars. *25:18* This movie's gonna be nuts. *25:20* We'll c we'll come back to that. *25:22* Put a pin in that uh as far as as far as actors joining this franchise. *25:23* I want to have a discussion about that in a second. *25:28* The the brother thing. *25:30* I I don't think they really rewrote necessarily how their father died. *25:34* He died in a car crash at a race. *25:39* Well they rewrote it in the sense that *25:41* It was never mentioned that d the person who sort of killed his dad was his brother. *25:44* Well but I guess that makes sense why he he never talks about his brother. *25:51* But he also Yeah, he killed his he kills his dad and *25:54* That also wasn't the truth per se. *25:59* It was the guy crashed into him and the car was set. *26:01* He was gonna lose the race, all that stuff. *26:04* I'm okay with *26:06* Like the dad stuff there, the brother becoming a spy, whatever. *26:08* I think that the thing about the wrench though, this is my problem with this. *26:12* I don't understand your beef there. *26:17* He *26:19* He still beat the guy. *26:20* You you he did. *26:21* But when that was first explained in some of the old movies, it was done in the sense to sort of explain that *26:23* To Dom Toretto has a checkered past, and he's not the best person, but he's trying to move past his mistakes from the past. *26:30* and I don't know, become less of a less of a feisty outlaw boy. *26:38* He's a family man. *26:43* Yeah, and you're supposed to see his arc from there. *26:45* You never directly see it. *26:48* But it's implied that he doesn't have a good past and he has a checkered history and then he's family players. *26:50* Yes. *26:57* And then he becomes a better guy over time. *26:57* The problem I don't like about them going back and changing the context around that is that it's like, no, Dom was never actually bad at all. *27:00* Dom was always justified and Dom was always good. *27:07* And that kind of robs his character art to some degree. *27:10* Um all he did was take the wrench from his brother and pr I guess prevent his brother from committing the same c crime. *27:15* Yeah, I I don't I not get the guy that crashed into their dad within an inch of his life. *27:22* I I think that's *27:28* Yeah, I'm not saying that's just you're not supposed to carry I mean, depends on who you ask. *27:30* According to Batman, he would have done the right thing there. *27:35* That's true, I guess. *27:38* Vigilante justice. *27:39* They still change the context around it though. *27:41* vi he's he's prone to violent outbursts. *27:51* And that's still true with how it's been changed now. *27:54* Um *27:58* But again, like I said, it is supposed to be a little bit more justified for why he did that, which then I guess I guess for me this also changes the context of fast *27:59* f in Furious One because it was implied that like he has this history, he's been in jail and he's gotten out of jail and now he's robbing DVD players and stuff like that. *28:10* And so he's still not a great person. *28:21* And so to me it's like, okay, well, he was kind of in the right to beat this guy up because this guy killed his dad. *28:24* Not the right necessarily, but it's like *28:30* It's more of a moral gray area of sorts than it was presented before. *28:32* And he gets out of jail and he steals DVD players. *28:36* Like I I don't know. *28:40* Actually he gets out of jail and I street race he races his brother and then at some point evolves into Finn Diesel. *28:41* Yeah. *28:49* It I I I think it all it fits within the the realm of the character so far. *28:51* I should say my the revisionist history on that front I have less of a problem with *28:56* The Han stuff is the most egregious. *29:00* The Han definitely is a here we go. *29:02* Pretend Tokyo Drift didn't this part of Tokyo Drift just didn't happen. *29:04* Especially with how it's showcased in the movie, like we said, where it's just a cut and he's in and out of the car. *29:08* It's like *29:13* Magic. *29:14* So yes, that is particularly bad. *29:16* And then the stuff with Jacob, I I don't have a problem with Jacob. *29:19* Like I I know I've given you grief, as we mentioned, about Uncharted 4 for quite some time. *29:22* This story plot this plot device in Fast and Furious though makes far more sense than in Uncharted to me because this is just goofy. *29:27* Because it's goofy? *29:35* Because Uncharted is serious. *29:36* Uh you would think so with the way. *29:38* So he just didn't talk about it because *29:43* Nate has issues he needs to work through. *29:46* I guess I have more I have uh I'm more accepting of it in a *29:48* In a film series where cars are when cars are doing kung fu tricks and then this guy's like, I've got a secret brother that I never talked about compared to Uncharted, which yes is goofy as well, because this guy's *29:54* mass murdering thousands of people. *30:06* Yes. *30:08* But they try to make the stakes more emotional and uncharted and more *30:09* character centered, I guess, which i the fast fumes uh films are somewhat character-centered, but what did you think of Dom IDing Jacob? *30:14* With a one-frame freeze frame and seeing the blurry cross necklace, he's like, I know who it is. *30:24* Only one other person has that necklace. *30:30* This blur. *30:32* It was goofy. *30:34* It's super goofy. *30:35* It was meant to more convey something to the audience than anything else. *30:36* Like, oh, this is a person from Dom's past. *30:40* It's very silly how it was *30:43* Done. *30:46* Can we talk let's talk about John Shana a little bit more. *30:47* What? *30:52* Here. *30:52* John Shane. *30:52* John Chain? *30:53* What? *30:54* That's what uh Santino Morello used to call him. *30:55* John Chena. *30:58* You have a big mouth, John Chena. *30:59* There's no uh H. *31:01* He was uh he was an Italian man wrestler. *31:04* John Chena. *31:06* Um *31:08* Anyway, let's see John Cena. *31:10* John Cena. *31:12* John Cena, Jacob, Toretto. *31:13* Honestly, I think my biggest takeaway is that he fits into this franchise quite well. *31:17* Quite naturally, and I liked him, but he just was not given enough to do. *31:23* Yes. *31:29* Like that is my biggest. *31:29* Yes. *31:32* Yeah, he's just kind of there. *31:33* Like the uh the London heist. *31:35* They fight in that building, or maybe it's before they fight in the building, but he just like zip-blonds across the city for five minutes. *31:40* I wrote that down I wrote that down in my notes. *31:47* I wrote *31:49* I wrote, why how is he this man zip lining across an entire city? *31:49* I know he was like stopping and then shooting a new one every couple but it was like why what is going on here? *31:52* And then they're all just chasing him. *31:58* Uh yeah, that was really unexciting on his part, at least his involvement with that whole situation. *32:00* Um yeah, he's just not given many scenes on his own either. *32:07* I I know he's got the scene with *32:11* Cypher there, there's the brief scene where him and Dom talk, and then I I think the thing that bothers me the most is that Jacob is never given any like the central antagonist. *32:13* part in this movie because every time he's involved you got this little Weasley auto dictator sun boy coming in. *32:27* It's like, okay, I don't care about this guy. *32:34* It's *32:36* It's typical Fast and Furious like bad villain stuff. *32:37* And comparing it to Uncharted 4, that guy's like Rafe. *32:41* kind of and then you got Jacob here kind of being a Nadine of sorts where it's like one of them's a ki sort of an actual threat and then the other was just kind of an annoyance most of the time. *32:46* And then we don't have to dig into fine specifically. *32:56* of this comparison that I'm making. *33:00* But it's sort of similar. *33:02* I get it. *33:03* I get the dynamic. *33:03* You've got villain one and villain two. *33:04* And the villain I'm more interested in was Jacob rather than little snotty rich boy son. *33:07* Um and so I w I wish Jacob could have just stood on his own two feet more and could have just been the main bad guy that they were squaring off with. *33:14* And then if they wanted to have him come around at the end like they did eventually, then they could have still done that. *33:23* But yeah, I I don't know. *33:29* I Otto's inclusion only seems to have been done to just *33:31* justify why have Jacob would have yeah, why he would have these resources at his disposal. *33:35* Which I understand, but I almost *33:42* I almost feel like it would have made more sense to just have Cypher come back and be the villain in that regard again and have Jacob like be her lackey or something like that. *33:45* that. *33:53* Right, and then he turns. *33:53* Like auto feels unnecessary. *33:54* Otto feels like an unnecessary addition, especially since by the end of the movie Cypher is *33:56* Kind of free. *34:01* The main villain again. *34:02* So I will say Jacob had I think a couple of good scenes in general. *34:04* Outside of the action stuff, because John Cena's physicality when he was in scenes fighting or doing things was pretty great. *34:11* Yeah. *34:18* Espe like when he jumps into the little orange car, I'm like, how does this man fit in this tiny little car? *34:18* And drive away. *34:24* And then Mia like holding John Cena off the back of the car, those proportions didn't add up to me. *34:25* I'm just like, how are how is Mia holding him? *34:30* I will s I did like *34:33* That Han scene where Han comes into the base, that's when they just brought Jacob into the base and kind of locked him up. *34:35* And you like get this shot of him like looking at his brother hugging Han. *34:41* And it's like all all he really wanted was a hug from his brother. *34:45* But I actually like that scene. *34:49* I I was uh, you know, I wasn't moved to tears or anything. *34:50* It wasn't like the greatest acting ever, but it *34:53* I like that dynamic. *34:56* It wasn't as they peel back these layers of why their relationship disintegrated as children *34:57* I liked it. *35:04* It was good. *35:05* And the flashbacks I think help flesh that out a little bit. *35:05* They help make Jacob going bad to good. *35:08* There's quite a few flashbacks, surprisingly. *35:11* Like more than we have. *35:13* I have down they had four. *35:14* Four flashbacks. *35:15* A little more than we probably needed, I think, but it also helped. *35:16* I yeah, I would have liked to have seen their relationship *35:20* Uh, because they really only get that moment there at the very end. *35:23* And then John Cena's like, alright, I'm off, goodbye. *35:27* And then he's just gone. *35:30* Uh and you know he'll come back and fight Jason Momoa or whoever the next villain is. *35:32* You're just gonna have all these muscle dudes slapping each other in the final in the next movie. *35:38* Uh the one other thing about Jacob though, and this is a thing I kept trying to. *35:43* And this kind of deals more with the direct plot of the movie overall. *35:48* And why these movies are definitely starting to lose me as time goes on. *35:52* And that's because they are just all devolving into the same thing. *35:55* Each movie, there is a new super weapon. *35:59* Somebody's trying to get this super weapon. *36:02* And I I think the thing they do a poor job of *36:04* in this movie is contextualizing why they want this. *36:08* In the last movie, Cypher was like, I want this t for nukes and to make the world leaders *36:12* respect me or whatever. *36:19* It's like, what? *36:20* Okay, that's kind of crazy, but whatever. *36:20* She kind of lays out there like her reasons for wanting this. *36:22* I don't really understand *36:25* Why they want this device in this movie? *36:28* You're telling me the line Jacob reboots the world order in minutes wasn't enough of an explanation to you? *36:31* Yeah, yes. *36:37* And I wrote down, Jacob's goals are not fleshed out. *36:38* I don't know what he's even trying to do. *36:41* And that was like the whole movie. *36:44* Like, I just know they're after these MacGuffins, they're after these plot devices. *36:45* And Dom and the crew are trying to stop them from having the plot devices, and Jacob and Otto and whoever else are like, no, we need them. *36:49* And so it's just this war for these tech items. *36:56* And then it becomes even more confusing to me when. *36:59* Han comes in the picture and L and I'm the key and it's like, okay, we're totally losing me here with with this all with this nonsense. *37:02* Family. *37:11* Of course the key is a family member. *37:12* So yeah, it it really this movie more so than others, I think *37:15* The plot, not that I am expecting a deep plot from these movies whatsoever. *37:20* But like I said, I point it I think this plot the like the core *37:24* uh conflict of this movie is w poorly w worse than fast eight, which it was really bad fast eight, but at least it was like *37:28* I want nukes. *37:36* And it's like, okay, well, this is what we're doing here. *37:38* This movie was so nebulous to some degree. *37:41* This movie, Nukes. *37:44* While outlandish, is an understandable evil device for someone to pursue. *37:46* But now we're back to God's eye kind of made up baloney. *37:52* of supervillain weaponry and well I feel like these movies have been progressively upping the anti to of like I want *37:58* Uh I don't know. *38:06* It starts off with DVD players and then we get to nukes and in between there they just kind of keep upping upping the stakes and upping uh *38:08* the conflicts of like until nukes get involved. *38:16* And I feel like they did not know what to do after nukes entered the fray in the last movie. *38:19* Like, how do we one up ourselves on that front? *38:24* Uh well let's just create this *38:26* They they refer to the device in this movie as something like a weapon that shouldn't exist for another half century. *38:28* I'm like, well that doesn't make sense. *38:34* It exists right now, apparently. *38:36* And it was built like ten years ago with yeah with Tokyo Drift. *38:38* What they should do is what 24 did when that was on the air and just alternate between a nuclear weapon and a bioweapon every other season. *38:43* And so it prog it gave them time to come up with progressively more terrible things. *38:50* What did you think about I think the movie's primary B plot? *38:56* Lighthearted B plot. *39:01* Which is luck in romance. *39:03* Okay, so I was going to I was going to bring this up. *39:06* So this whole arc of the movie is *39:08* It breaks the fourth wall. *39:12* Yes. *39:14* Like that's the whole I think it does it well. *39:15* Roman's whole *39:19* idea of coming in the fray when he's like, hey, you guys ever think about how we never die from any of this stuff. *39:21* I'm like, what? *39:26* Is he gonna turn and look at the camera in a second and like wink at us as well while he's at it? *39:26* Like, it was totally fourth wall breaking and *39:31* I think they carry it out with enough tact to where it ends up working overall. *39:35* When the first conversation took place, I thought it was just an odd *39:41* one-off thing where they're like where they just felt the need to write this in the script and acknowledge all the strange things they've been through and hey you guys ever think about this? *39:46* This is kind of weird. *39:54* And I'm like, well *39:55* What is the end goal here? *39:56* Do they realize they're movie characters and that's Fast Eleven and then they try to break out of the movie screen or something like that? *39:57* Like uh like Bugabunny? *40:04* Yeah. *40:06* It *40:07* I think they set it up well because Roman goes full-blown John Wick Call of Duty, like just kills 20 guys at once, right? *40:08* It's like this is a bit much. *40:17* Like I had a moment watching it again this time. *40:19* I was like *40:21* Roman has gone too hardcore. *40:22* Like Roman should not be this coordinated and capable a combatant, right *40:24* And then it immediately turns into the, oh my gosh, how am I a lot this luck thing, which is the thread throughout the whole movie, until eventually we get them in outer space with candy bars and they shoot into a satellite. *40:30* Like it *40:43* I think that kept Roman on the right level. *40:45* Like he kept him funny, which is his role *40:49* And exp explained his ability to survive everything from falling in a frozen lake to going to outer space. *40:52* I will say I thought their arc was very *41:00* separate this time around. *41:03* Like there was not for a movie about we're always talking about the family and how they're all a big old gang. *41:05* I really felt like the group this time was pretty *41:11* segreg segregated from one another. *41:14* There was pl there's clear divisions here. *41:16* And Dom was kind of off of it doing his own thing and Letty was associated with him to some degree. *41:19* And but Dom was kind of a loner throughout a lot of this movie. *41:23* Because he's gotta get out his brother. *41:26* You've got Ramsey and Tej and Roman who are all like a threesome at this point. *41:30* And then Mia kind of comes back in the fray and is *41:35* Sort of involved. *41:39* Yeah. *41:41* And then you've got Han coming back too, and they're just kind of all thrown in. *41:41* Um but there's not really too many interactions between all of them where they're all sort of bouncing off of each other. *41:45* They kind of *41:51* keep them siloed within their different groups like Han and I guess L shows up and then you've got Mia kind of working with them. *41:52* Mia's the only one who kind of I feel like goes *42:01* In between all the different groups in this movie. *42:03* That's just because it's her first one back in what, two films? *42:05* So Yeah. *42:10* How do you think they handled reincorporating her into the movies? *42:11* Because that was kind of the *42:15* You know, she kind of when Paul died, they didn't quite know how to bring Mia back into the movie without Paul. *42:18* And so this was their first attempt at that. *42:25* I thought it worked really well. *42:27* So honestly, I think that's the best thing about *42:28* the Jacob stuff is that it allows her to naturally come back in because I didn't even think about it until she showed up and she's like, Well he's my brother too. *42:31* And I was like, oh yeah, duh. *42:39* Of course he is. *42:41* Like it that didn't never really *42:42* clicked in my brain until that moment. *42:44* So I was like, okay, so yeah, it does make sense for Mia to be here actually. *42:45* So in that sense, uh I think that all worked. *42:49* And I like that she had a little bit of it it wasn't really spelled out super clearly, but she had *42:52* um kind of her own history with Jacob and they had kind of had their own relationship that had developed in the wake of the fallout between *42:58* Dom and him. *43:07* Uh and I and I like that. *43:09* Yeah, it made sense for her to come back into the fray in this movie. *43:11* And I I I texted you about this, but it's still *43:14* It still is weird that Brian exists within this world, even though we know that he is that and it and it this can this is a larger conversation I wanna have. *43:18* And I I don't know if you want to do it now or if you I mean since we're naturally talking about it, maybe we can do it now, yeah. *43:27* So yeah, Brian still exists in this world. *43:34* That's obvious and uh it's weird because he gets such a good send-off at set at the end of seven, but he's obviously not dead within the fast universe, but Paul's obviously dead. *43:36* So it's like a weird thing they keep trying to *43:45* At the end of the blasphemy we obviously they named the kid Brian, so it's like, oh, there's a which is weird that they're naming this kid after *43:47* After somebody who's not canonically dead and then Brian is still in this movie. *43:55* I like seeing the car drive up at the end. *43:59* That was exciting. *44:01* Yes. *44:02* That's a very good way to acknowledge that he's still in this world without strangely naming your secret love child. *44:02* After. *44:10* So, okay, so this brings us to what I wanted to talk to you about. *44:10* And I texted you about this last night. *44:13* I said let l I want to talk about the thing I am most scared about. *44:15* With fast ten and fast eleven. *44:20* And it is the way they are ramping things up. *44:22* I am getting very nervous that we're gonna get CGI zombie Paul Walker. *44:26* At some point. *44:31* And I don't want that to happen. *44:33* But like the fact that they're even starting to show his cars and things like that again and reference him more in this movie, I'm like, how does this *44:35* continue to progress. *44:43* I know. *44:46* But we're gonna get a we're gonna get a big huge Levin is gonna be all all everything coming together outside of Hobbes, who The Rock refuses to be involved. *44:46* I I guess I'm just afraid that 11, they're gonna try to go so bombastic and bring it all together and unite the family and uh bring it all to a close that they're gonna put a CGI. *44:57* Paul Walker in it like they have been doing in some of these Star Wars movies and things like that. *45:08* And I that scares me. *45:12* I don't want that. *45:14* This is I they he had such a good send-off at seven. *45:16* And just the final shot of this movie made me nervous that they might be tiptoeing closer to that becoming a thing. *45:21* I wanna let's rein the fear in a little bit. *45:27* Let's recontextualize a bit with Star Wars. *45:31* They've done it twice now with both with dead people. *45:34* Well they did it with Grandmoff Tarkin in Star Wars and they did it with Leia and Young Leia. *45:39* In uh Rise of Skywalker. *45:44* Well they did it with Luke Skywalker too, kinda technically on Mandalorian. *45:46* They de-aged him and he's alive and he was actually there on set to shoot. *45:50* Yeah, I know, but it's I don't think they would do it. *45:54* I *45:58* To be fair, maybe this is naive of me to think Hollywood wouldn't try to do something to make it. *45:59* That's my fear. *46:04* That's my fear. *46:05* Everyone in these movies has been making this this stuff together for over a decade, almost two decades, and I just don't *46:07* They knew him, right? *46:17* Yeah. *46:19* Like I don't think they would bring hims him back in some computer way where he's not involved. *46:19* I have a really hard time imagining that Paul's family would sign off on this, who I imagine legally has some say in the matter. *46:27* Well, this is what I'm saying about *46:35* With like Fast 11 being the conclusion. *46:37* If the movie studio tries to pitch it to them is like, this is it, we gotta put him back in, his likeness back in, this is it, this is the final sign-off for everybody, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, then I'm worried we could get that. *46:40* And if I don't think they would I guess it happens, but I don't think it happens. *46:50* They gave it would taint seven *46:56* So much. *46:59* It would. *46:59* That's why I don't want it to happen. *47:00* Is that it has like the most memorable that's like one of the most famous movie scenes of the past 25 years, probably. *47:01* Probably. *47:09* And you know, one of the another element that we're forgetting here besides just the actors is uh the writers on these movies. *47:09* Um Justin Lynn was one of the writers on F9, which first writing credit for the Fast and Furious, and he's also a writer on Fast Ten. *47:17* I *47:27* d Justin seems like a pretty level-headed, nice person. *47:28* I don't think he would write Paul back in that way. *47:32* I I just *47:35* Again, maybe it's naivete, but I really think it's in a reference. *47:37* Thinking of it from a script writer perspective, I'm just scared. *47:45* Maybe his car could show up in himself and drive. *47:48* You know? *47:51* It's just like the the skyline is just driving. *47:51* I do not think we see Paul's face or his body *47:54* I d you know, a car is as far as I think we get. *47:58* And a car is fine, you know? *48:01* I think a car is okay. *48:03* Yeah *48:05* Because the crowds are the characters, right? *48:06* That is just and again, again, maybe my fears are unfounded. *48:08* And I would like I I will give them the benefit of the doubt and say I don't think it's going to happen. *48:11* Like I said, it's just my fear that it will *48:16* I don't want it to. *48:19* Please don't do this. *48:21* Please don't. *48:23* Please don't. *48:24* Speaking of of dead characters though, besides Han, what do you think about seeing uh baby boy Jesse? *48:25* I forgot that that was even them, to be honest. *48:33* How rude. *48:36* Because it's Mia, Letty, Vince, and Jesse. *48:37* Two of our alums here. *48:39* Yeah. *48:42* Yeah, I forgot about I forgot about that. *48:43* They totally looked like like costume-wise, they were dressed exactly like they used to be. *48:45* It was pretty awesome actually. *48:49* Yeah. *48:51* It totally took me back. *48:52* Yeah, it wasn't too bad. *48:54* Uh young Jesse. *48:56* Short lived for this world. *48:59* Never forget. *49:01* Wait until Mr. *49:02* Nobody was involved in that death. *49:03* Yeah, probably they'll probably undo that death soon. *49:05* Turns out the the Japanese street gang or whatever it was was actually working for Mr. *49:09* Nobody and they shot him with rubber bullets and there's I don't know. *49:14* I'd rather them rewrite Vince's death than bring Jesse back. *49:18* Let me go back to something else since we're talking about the future of the franchise to some degree. *49:22* With the Paul Walker stuff. *49:28* Let me let me talk about something else I have not liked in these movies, and that is they're *49:29* They're putting too many celebrities in these movies, which sounds like a weird thing. *49:36* Uh well like I'm fine with Cena being Do you mean *49:42* Do you are you meaning famous actors or the musician trope that we have in the Fast and Furious franchise where a rapper shows up? *49:46* Cardi B showing up was I I I I guess that is in line with the history of the series. *49:54* Maybe I just really hate Cardi B. *49:59* That's *50:01* That was I I get yeah, I guess it like thinking about it like Job Rule has been in the like I guess Ludacris is in them, but he's a he he's a main character, so it's a little different. *50:02* But it just feels like we're gett and I'm I'm really latched onto the Cardi B thing, and I know it's only a the sixty second scene, if that *50:13* Um, but that really was like when she showed up, I was like, uh, why? *50:21* Like it it just seems like we're getting a little too *50:26* Carried away. *50:29* And like I said, we now got Bree Larson and Jason Momoa coming in. *50:30* And who else knows? *50:33* Like the cat we're getting pretty bloated here. *50:34* We're getting *50:37* We're getting very bloated actually. *50:38* Like we uh we're reaching as we have been doing these movies, the primary actors list has been growing considerably. *50:40* with each one of these. *50:47* And we're not losing any characters because they just keep reviving characters. *50:49* Except for except for in the case of Paul Walker, sadly. *50:53* He's the only character who's gone away for *50:57* Real reasons. *51:01* Um, so it's like things are getting a little too dense now. *51:02* Like I said, I already feel like the family is not interacting with one another like as a unit like they used to *51:07* It just feels like they've got different silos now and they've paired everybody off and okay, go, that's Dom will be off running the main plot A, and he'll be accompanied by Letty, and everybody else will be doing other things. *51:14* I like like the thought of m Jason Momoa and Bree Larson being in the next one. *51:28* And I think Jason Momoa, I think he's gonna be the villain. *51:32* And I think Bree Larson But I think Bree Larson is gonna be *51:35* A good guy. *51:39* I think she's gonna be with the family. *51:39* Oh I think so. *51:41* Her character name, I believe, is Tess. *51:44* Based on what I was reading, I think that's the case. *51:47* And that but then that on top of the fact that it looks like Jason Satham's coming back to the it's just like we got there's there's a little too much happening here. *51:49* Wait uh Wikipedia just lists Jason Momoa as villain. *51:57* So uh which makes sense. *52:02* I mean I would also hire Jason Momoa to uh be the villain. *52:05* You know, like that's a good But we've already got Cypher who's gonna be around still, so we've still got Charlie's out there. *52:09* We've got Mr. *52:15* Nobody. *52:16* Presume he's alive, he'll show up. *52:17* Wikipedia. *52:19* Jason Momoa is Dante, a mysterious adversary of Dom and his team, and works with Cypher, so *52:20* Uh Momoa described the villain as quote very sadistic and androgynous, and he's a bit of a peacock. *52:29* He's got a lot of issues, this guy. *52:35* He's definitely got some daddy issues. *52:36* That's a quote from Jason Momoa in uh a variety interview. *52:39* I guess I'm just trying to figure out what I want from these final two movies. *52:44* And again, where this is a larger discussion again about future things, and we'll *52:48* We're just naturally talking about this, so I figure we may as well talk about what's upstream and we'll reel it back in and talk about Fast9 a little bit more here in a second, but *52:52* I d I just don't know what I want from these movies moving forward. *53:00* And I think for some reason the producers and the powers that *53:04* that are in charge of this franchise thinks the answer is just throwing more big name actors and actresses in and y upping the stupidity. *53:09* And honestly, I I feel like if they pared things down at this point, it would work *53:17* a little better because we've just got so many lingering characters out here now. *53:22* And like I said, they keep bringing people back. *53:27* There are no stakes, it feels like. *53:30* We haven't even talked about the fact that they brought back the whole Tokyo crew this time too, which is something we can touch on more in a second, but like literally everybody is back. *53:34* Like I'm expecting how is this any different than Smash Brothers? *53:42* It's basically what it is. *53:47* Everyone is here. *53:49* I'm expecting uh what's her face to show up from Too Fast. *53:50* Eva Mendez to show up. *53:53* Fuentes. *53:55* Yeah, I'm expecting her to I'm expecting Giselle to show back up at any point. *53:56* She actually Mr. *54:02* Nobody was actually behind the plane and he caught me with a trampoline and I bounced to safety. *54:04* I you know, I look at it as no different than say the MCU, where they attach as many big names to the projects as they can and *54:11* When things culminate, everyone gets together. *54:20* I it doesn't seem any different to me. *54:23* One could say that the MCU is a bit more serious than that. *54:25* Well, the MCU is based on comics which have expansive *54:29* Like all these characters, I guess, exist within the zeitgeist. *54:34* Like Fast and Furious, they're making these characters up on the spot and are throwing them in the movies. *54:38* And I get what you're saying, but I guess it's a little different with comics. *54:42* Yeah, and I mean, Fast and Furious primarily exists just solely in films. *54:47* There are other characters in the spin-off animated series, and I'm sure there's some stuff in the games. *54:52* Not that those are, you know, super great or anything, but *54:58* This is a world that started in movies and it's just built and built and built over the years, and it's like, ah, I remember that guy. *55:02* Uh, you know, here's Twinkie. *55:08* Twinky's back. *55:11* And that's fun. *55:12* In Twinkie doesn't have a super serious role in the film. *55:14* I would say it's there for a few jokes. *55:18* Let's talk about the Tokyo crew. *55:21* I think the way they're using this film is horrible. *55:22* Because they're like totally different characters. *55:25* Why are they all of a sudden rocket experts? *55:28* Okay. *55:32* Sean shows up, he's like, hey, I can fly a jumbo jet now. *55:32* It's like, what a what? *55:36* Hold on, hold on. *55:37* No, I think everyone *55:38* fits in their roles exactly. *55:40* I don't know the third guy's name. *55:42* Uh no one does. *55:44* Anyway, he's the actual like science engineer guy. *55:46* Twink is still the getter, like the guy who just knows people and gets supplies and everything they need. *55:50* And Sean's out there driving the car. *55:57* Everyone's within their world. *55:59* They're just doing stupid crazy stuff now. *56:00* And of course they're hooking up a rocket to like a Fiera because that's what they would do. *56:03* I think it makes total sense. *56:08* It's great. *56:10* If Tez can be a super hacker, why can't they be building some rocket? *56:11* You're telling me the natural progression from their characters is to go from learning how to drift cars in a parking garage to then building rockets strapping them under a Fierro. *56:17* and trying to get them to fly and Sean learning how to fly a jumbo a military jumbo jet. *56:27* Hey, a lot has happened, okay? *56:33* They're just tracked. *56:36* They're working for the military. *56:38* They just kind of show back up. *56:41* I did not know. *56:42* They probably work for Mr. *56:43* Nobody. *56:44* Yeah. *56:45* All ties go back to Mr. *56:46* Nobody. *56:47* I I think the final reveal of Fast Eleven is going to be dumb. *56:49* Your dad that died in the car wreck was not actually your dad. *56:54* I'm your dad. *56:58* I'm not Mr. *56:59* Nobody, I'm Mr. *57:00* Toretto. *57:01* Mr. *57:03* Star Lord. *57:03* Yeah, ego. *57:05* I guess one last cameo. *57:07* I I assume you caught it. *57:09* Stasiak's back. *57:12* Who's that? *57:14* The guy who Brian kept breaking his nose and kept owing him favors. *57:15* Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. *57:18* Yes. *57:19* Okay. *57:19* I can't remember his name. *57:20* Yeah, he gives him a favor by flying him out of there or whatever. *57:21* Yes. *57:25* I like it. *57:25* Everyone is here. *57:26* Everyone is here. *57:28* Yeah, we're getting, it's just it it's a lot. *57:30* We need the uh the FBI chief from one and two. *57:32* I've watched these movies in pretty rapid fire order and I still feel like I'm like, wait, who's this person? *57:36* Like I'm like forgetting things. *57:40* And but maybe I shouldn't one thing we've not done *57:42* Is talk about the action in this movie? *57:47* Yes. *57:50* So let's do that. *57:51* And I think this is *57:53* This is I don't know. *57:56* There's really no nothing super compelling in this movie, I feel like. *57:57* The car flying, okay, it's it's it's it's CGI silliness, it's goofy. *58:01* I don't really have a lot of thoughts on that. *58:06* Goofy's a good word for it. *58:08* I think the opening scene the the thing that I think is best about this movie is it comes out of the gate firing that opening scene like they jump right into it. *58:09* It is The Jungle *58:17* Well, there Dom's on his ranch or whatever. *58:19* They roll up and they're like, hey, Dom, something's happened. *58:22* We need you. *58:24* Boom. *58:25* They're off and going. *58:25* And then they're fighting and then they're in the jungle. *58:26* And like that, that whole *58:29* First opening 15 to 20 minutes I think is great because it's fast paced. *58:31* The action is fun. *58:36* They splice in a lot of different *58:38* uh set pieces with them driving over the landmine field and then driving across the bridge and then slingshotting across the bridge and John Cena driving off a cliff and there's just a lot going on and I it doesn't really *58:41* mesh together all that well, but there's a lot happening at once, and I think it's all pretty exciting. *58:55* Uh *59:03* Compared to the final I I don't know. *59:04* We'll start there. *59:06* Did you have anything you liked about that opening? *59:07* It's quick. *59:10* We get in there, it's snappy. *59:11* I will say uh the minefield stuff is practical. *59:12* Not a real minefield, but *59:16* really driving cars and blowing them up over explosive detonations and stuff. *59:17* That's all practical. *59:22* They really *59:24* push it here in the front and actually the final set piece is also very practical. *59:25* We'll talk about that in a moment. *59:30* The goofiest thing, to borrow your word here *59:32* is hookshotting a bridge and swinging across the cavern. *59:36* Which they also ruined in the trailer. *59:42* Yes, also I mean if that's a first sess piece in the movie, sure, you can show that off. *59:44* But there's some later stuff. *59:49* But yes, of course it's the it's actually a little reminiscent of Fast and Furious, where Dom is sitting at the bottom of the hill and the semi is rolling towards him and Letty is like Dom, Dom, Dom. *59:50* She has a similar moment here of what are you actually doing? *01:00:03* And Dab is doing this precise math in his brain of if I shoot the hook here, I will swing us across. *01:00:06* And then he like turns his car wheel so it catches or Yes. *01:00:13* It's so so goofy. *01:00:17* And I love it. *01:00:20* I like the whole jet *01:00:21* Grabbing a car in the air, that feels very super spy, but in the over-the-top sort of way. *01:00:24* Like James Bond probably would have done that in an older movie. *01:00:31* Like flown and been caught. *01:00:34* So that's uh fits with this Jacob character, the mystery. *01:00:36* So it's a very good opening *01:00:39* set piece. *01:00:43* It sets a tone fairly well. *01:00:44* But then we don't really have any great action sequences, I think, until the very end. *01:00:45* Because we've got the one that we already talked about where Jacob's just like, I'm sling shotting across town, and there's some things that happen in that one, but it's largely *01:00:49* Magnets. *01:00:57* Unexciting, I think. *01:00:58* I think it's pretty funny that Ramsey doesn't know how to drive. *01:01:00* Yeah. *01:01:04* That's like a cute, it's a cute thing. *01:01:04* Makes sense. *01:01:07* It's again something they spoiled in one of the trailers that I remember. *01:01:08* She's like, I don't know how to drive. *01:01:12* Again, this whole movie was spoiled in the trailers. *01:01:14* It's funny though that she's part of this family and she can't drive. *01:01:16* Uh, that is fun. *01:01:21* I do I will say though, when Dom tackles Jacob off the bridge and they land on the car that Ramsey is driving. *01:01:22* Dom doesn't even know that that's their car, I don't think, because then he gets in the truck and he's like, oh what? *01:01:30* It's you guys. *01:01:35* And he's like surprised by it. *01:01:36* Uh maybe he knew that was the truck because they technically, I guess, hijacked the *01:01:38* bad guy's truck or whatever. *01:01:44* It had all the magnets in it. *01:01:45* So I don't know. *01:01:47* But I thought that was kind of goofy. *01:01:48* I'm like, oh, he just tackled his guy off a bridge and lit magically landed on his friends. *01:01:49* That's very convenient. *01:01:53* The ending scene though, it just does not feel it's a it's a mesh of I there are practical effects in it, and there are some cool things that I like, like when they use the magnet to flip a car into a guy and *01:01:55* blow them away. *01:02:09* Uh they really lean into the they lean into the carfu more than ever before because they have the power of magnets at their disposal. *01:02:10* So they can really like *01:02:18* spin and flip things out. *01:02:19* Uh so that's fun in that regard. *01:02:22* Um but again they ruin *01:02:26* Like the trailers ruined everything. *01:02:28* Like the big flip of the giant truck, rolling that truck into the plane, the drone. *01:02:30* Yes. *01:02:37* There at the end. *01:02:37* Like everything was shown. *01:02:38* Yes. *01:02:40* So *01:02:41* Stepping away from that though, which is so unfortunate and it's gonna be really hard to do. *01:02:42* It's hard to do. *01:02:46* And those those par sequences are still fun, like seeing the truck flip and *01:02:47* Dendong rolling it. *01:02:51* It's it's so goofy. *01:02:53* But it's like, okay, well, I saw it, I guess, before the movie. *01:02:55* I don't know if you could tell if we felt it, but that whole chase with the big *01:02:59* Caterpillar truck thing is practical. *01:03:03* The flipping of the cars with magnets, not actually magnets, more explosive charges and wires and things like that. *01:03:06* But that whole chase is practical. *01:03:13* They actually put *01:03:15* like a a nose on the front of that big truck and that's how they were flipping the cars off of the front of it. *01:03:16* Um throwing these cars into it and flipping them. *01:03:22* It was this great chase and you can feel the kinetic energy there. *01:03:26* And the car spinning around and being attached. *01:03:30* It's a really great scene that the bulk of it is absolutely ruined in trailers. *01:03:33* But it's cool to see and stuff. *01:03:40* Uh *01:03:42* The final roll down the hills kind of there. *01:03:43* We get a replication of the Fast and Furious one ending where Dom is now the person giving away the 10-second car so someone can escape the law. *01:03:46* It's just a good it's a good chase with good physical action as well. *01:03:56* John Cena really gets to *01:04:02* flex here and show off his ability to do action set pieces. *01:04:04* It's great stuff. *01:04:10* Uh and seeing *01:04:11* Han back and what is the girl's name again? *01:04:13* I think it's L. *01:04:16* L. *01:04:17* I think. *01:04:18* Yeah, so L's there. *01:04:18* She gets to she pulls out the giant machine gun and is shooting at people. *01:04:20* So everyone gets kind of a piece of the pie here. *01:04:23* to do something to stop hacking a satellite, you know, how do we do that? *01:04:26* So I like it. *01:04:31* It's fun. *01:04:33* It's yeah, it's fine. *01:04:33* I just it's just not very I think it's better than the submarines. *01:04:35* Yes. *01:04:38* Uh yeah, because they just It's actually real. *01:04:39* In a straight line. *01:04:43* Yeah, it looks less CGI than the last one, and that was the thing that I was happy about as the effects looked more practical this time around. *01:04:44* And and they were, like you were saying. *01:04:51* Yeah. *01:04:53* Um for the most part. *01:04:54* You could always tell when it wasn't, but also it wasn't so overt. *01:04:55* Yeah. *01:04:59* I do think they leaned on magnets a bit too hard in this movie. *01:05:00* Two major set pieces used magnets. *01:05:04* Substantially. *01:05:07* So I was like, they just kept going back to it. *01:05:08* Like when they get surrounded to in the lab, they're like, Go, turn the magnets on, br. *01:05:10* And then they zero. *01:05:15* rips all their gun like it was like magnets, magnets, magnets over and over and over again in this movie. *01:05:16* Like the the special effects and stunt teams are like, magnets are so cool, look at what we can do with them. *01:05:20* And I think that so I hope there's a bit more diversity going forward, you know. *01:05:26* with the eleventh movie they've made. *01:05:30* Speaking of the base escape thing where they turn on the magnets *01:05:33* Dom taking on 30 different men, holding them all back from a ladder while Letty's up there, I think it's a pretty baller scene where Dom just holds back 30 armed guards. *01:05:39* Before ultimately pulling like a Samson moment and pulling the whole place down. *01:05:52* That was exactly what I was thinking of. *01:05:56* I was like, oh, they're going biblical here with Dom this time around. *01:05:58* I actually th I wouldn't be surprised if that was part of the discussion. *01:06:01* Like Dom is making a sacrifice, so he's gonna pull the whole building down like that. *01:06:04* Except it's the inverse *01:06:08* he doesn't have any hair instead of having grew a little bit of hair and was able to have the the strength. *01:06:10* So *01:06:17* I like that moment. *01:06:18* I wrote down it was pretty hardcore. *01:06:19* But in a cheesy way. *01:06:21* Like, of course he can hold back 30 men. *01:06:22* It doesn't really ex it doesn't really *01:06:24* Adequately explain how he gets out of the water after sinking. *01:06:26* He just shows back up. *01:06:29* Yeah, but he just shows back up and he's standing there and Letty's like, I got you. *01:06:30* And I was like, What? *01:06:34* Of course Letty dove in the water and you know, saved him. *01:06:35* Yeah, I I I get it, but when he comes back to he's just like standing there with her. *01:06:39* I'm like, okay. *01:06:43* A little odd, but alright, sure *01:06:44* Mm-hmm. *01:06:47* I th I figured maybe they would show her like diving down to get him or something like that. *01:06:47* But nope, he's just back up. *01:06:51* He's fine. *01:06:53* Yeah, that was that was *01:06:54* I I thought for a second he was gonna take them all on and defeat them all by himself. *01:06:56* I was gonna laugh really hard *01:07:01* Uh he technically did, but he also fell in the water himself. *01:07:03* Yeah, the fact that he didn't do that though, I was like, maybe maybe Dom's not a superhero like we thought. *01:07:08* He should have been able to beat them all by himself. *01:07:15* The one other thing I wanted to say about the final set piece is that *01:07:18* Once once they do flip the chuck, it sure rolls on its top for a very long time. *01:07:23* And I get it's like implied they're going downhill at one point. *01:07:30* But even before that, it's just kind of skirting along on the street there, and it's going and it's going and it's going. *01:07:33* And I'm like, okay, is this thing ever gonna stop? *01:07:40* Uh, but no. *01:07:43* I I guess the magnets would be how they explain that, but sure. *01:07:44* It just kinda keeps going and they're *01:07:49* Yeah, like it's going for so long that Dom jumps on top of it and then blows the hole open at it and then they start going down the cliff. *01:07:52* Um *01:08:00* So yeah, I thought that was v the funniest part of that final like just stop. *01:08:01* Nothing ever stops in this movie. *01:08:06* The plane is on a runway that's t 30 miles long. *01:08:08* You've got no time to slow down. *01:08:12* You've got this long truck that's just continuing to go. *01:08:15* Like nothing ever you the the lake is the endless lake with the submarine on it. *01:08:17* Nothing ever stops. *01:08:24* This is the longest stretch of road or whatever in whatever city what city were they in in the final? *01:08:25* I may have written it. *01:08:32* I just wrote Final Chase, so I don't remember. *01:08:39* I could look it up, but they've got co I was gonna say they go to London for a good chunk of the movie. *01:08:41* Queenie shows up and is he's kinda *01:08:46* They just kind of throw her in too. *01:08:49* We didn't talk about her scene. *01:08:51* She just kind of shows up and is like, hello, darling, and then goodbye. *01:08:52* I can drift. *01:08:56* I know things that that happen in London, so therefore I can take you to where your brother is. *01:08:57* That's what I was saying. *01:09:06* There's so many characters now that I feel like they have to splice them all in just because they can. *01:09:07* And the only one who's out is the rock. *01:09:12* So because he's too busy *01:09:15* Altering the hierarchy of the DC universe right now to be in fast films. *01:09:19* So Max, uh the music this time around, I do not have anything to say. *01:09:23* And *01:09:28* I don't know if there's uh like and this and this has been a common refrain. *01:09:29* I think some of these movies are Fast Eight more no Yeah, Fast Eight wasn't very noticeable. *01:09:33* Then yeah, I do too, but not all great. *01:09:39* Um but I remember the songs they used in that movie. *01:09:42* I I can't even remember the license track they used in this. *01:09:44* I still I I I will say I still remember the trailer music they put in these more recent fast trailers. *01:09:48* I feel like the trailers are now better than the movies. *01:09:54* With these with Fast Aid and Fast. *01:09:56* Probably. *01:10:00* Because they choose good songs for those trailers and they're they're very exciting and they're lengthy trailers. *01:10:00* It was probably *01:10:05* Lane Switcher by Skepta and Pop Smoke featuring ASAP Rocky, Juicy J and Project Pat. *01:10:06* I I remember that song being in this movie. *01:10:13* Yeah. *01:10:15* At least definitely during the credits. *01:10:15* I can't even believe I just said that sentence. *01:10:18* Those I mean I know two of those musicians, but those just words sound so weird. *01:10:20* You should try reading the names of the people who make the Resident Evil games. *01:10:26* That's fun. *01:10:29* Well at least those are real names. *01:10:30* These are like this man this man has the dollar sign in his name. *01:10:32* Ty dollar sign? *01:10:37* That's another person. *01:10:38* ASAP Rocky, he's got the dollar sign in his name. *01:10:39* Yeah. *01:10:42* Um *01:10:43* Yeah, I don't have anything to say about the music. *01:10:44* I'm not sorry if you want to hear us talk about that. *01:10:46* Before we go to legacy, though, best car per usual. *01:10:48* Hmm hmm. *01:10:54* I think my favorite car is the one that flies to space. *01:10:56* The Fierra. *01:10:59* It is a space car. *01:11:00* It is pretty funny. *01:11:02* Um *01:11:03* I c that was originally what I was looking for as a Hot Wheel, and I'm super surprised I could not find that. *01:11:05* But uh *01:11:18* You know, not the fate. *01:11:19* Uh the Pontiac Fierra. *01:11:23* There it is. *01:11:24* Yes, it's it totally screams Hot Wheel to me. *01:11:25* I don't get why they didn't make this. *01:11:28* Uh *01:11:30* It definitely would have been the show art if it existed. *01:11:30* But it's it's really good. *01:11:33* It's a really good little car. *01:11:35* Um I'm honestly fine picking that because it's so goofy. *01:11:37* Other than that, I was I I do have a couple that stood out um personally. *01:11:42* I mean, special shout out to the Nissan Skyline at the end. *01:11:48* Yes. *01:11:53* Of course. *01:11:53* Always. *01:11:54* Yeah, shout that out shout out his skyline showing up and rolling into the parking or and to the driveway there. *01:11:55* Uh other than that though, I do like *01:12:02* I think it is the the orange Toyota Supra that Jacob is Han and then Jacob drives at the end. *01:12:05* I think that's a pretty cool. *01:12:15* I think that's one of the cooler ones. *01:12:16* And the Supra is Hans car, you know. *01:12:18* So it's of course we bring that back as well. *01:12:22* And then Jacob and then Jacob takes it and you got the Toretto boys driving around together, and of course you've got *01:12:25* Domin had Charger. *01:12:30* I do like that they go back and establish why he likes Charger so much too. *01:12:32* It comes from his his dad. *01:12:35* Yeah. *01:12:38* So the Super is good. *01:12:39* I like the car that Dom and Queenie drive around, which apparently is the 2018 Noble M600. *01:12:40* I've never heard of Noble as a car manufacturer. *01:12:48* It looked more like a McLaren to me. *01:12:50* Um, but I like it. *01:12:53* It's a purple, kind of sparkly little car. *01:12:54* Pretty neat. *01:12:56* The one that you said Quingy drives? *01:12:57* Mm-hmm. *01:12:59* Yeah. *01:13:00* Yeah. *01:13:00* That's like the only other more notable like I feel like there's not many sports cards in this movie. *01:13:01* There's the typical Chargers and some Mustangs and stuff like that. *01:13:06* The Mustang I was gonna bring up simply as a shout out. *01:13:10* to having a Mustang be a prominent car and have a character associated with it. *01:13:14* There have been Mustangs in previous Fast and Furious movies, but never tied *01:13:20* to a character. *01:13:24* So it's nice to see that the Mustang comes out and it's a logical choice to Dom's Charger. *01:13:26* I mean like to have that kind of rivalry they both would like a muscle car Charger. *01:13:32* Mustang. *01:13:38* You know, all we're missing is a Camaro, maybe a yellow one, and Bumblebee can show up, and then we've got Transformers and Fast and Furious, and they all come together. *01:13:39* So I at least like that the Mustang's there as *01:13:47* a new character to visually associate with. *01:13:50* Um this is actually very late into production, as in like a couple of weeks ago, I realized I should have also bought Jacob's Mustang and I could have had *01:13:53* Dueling brothers as the cover-up for this episode. *01:14:02* That would have made a lot. *01:14:05* I'm really upset I didn't do that. *01:14:06* And it took me so long to think of that. *01:14:08* But uh I like that the Mustang's here. *01:14:11* I'm perfectly fine giving it to the Fierro though. *01:14:13* The flying Fiero. *01:14:17* Yeah. *01:14:18* It's so good. *01:14:19* Yeah, I'll say that. *01:14:20* I'll say the Fiero and then the Supra is my *01:14:21* real answer if I can't choose the car that floats. *01:14:25* Yeah, Super would be the real uh if I pick anything, I guess I would actually pick the skyline. *01:14:27* Um *01:14:33* But yeah, the Fierro super. *01:14:34* Yeah, that's better than everything else in the whole movie. *01:14:39* It is. *01:14:42* Okay, that brings us to our final discussion of the season for now, and it's one that I don't know if we have literally anything to say about, which is this movie's legacy. *01:14:43* And it's hard to talk about a legacy for a movie that just came out 18 months ago. *01:14:54* So I think the answer this time around is there isn't really a legacy for this movie. *01:14:59* There's some. *01:15:05* There's some things we could point out here. *01:15:06* I would say the legacy of this movie is that it came out later and it was a COVID movie. *01:15:08* That's kind of notable to some degree. *01:15:13* It launched uh in the summer of 2021, so it's a COVID movie. *01:15:17* So that's an interesting dynamic of it. *01:15:21* That problem is not *01:15:23* uh happening obviously for fast ten. *01:15:25* It's delayed the production and release of the other m subsequent movies, so that's kind of part of it. *01:15:27* Another one is the introduction of an actual new family member, Jacob, biological brother. *01:15:34* So Dom's *01:15:40* you know, nuclear family has grown. *01:15:42* That's interesting to some degree. *01:15:44* And then Han being brought back to hashtag justice for Han. *01:15:48* Yeah. *01:15:52* However *01:15:52* hand wavy that revival is, Han is back. *01:15:53* And, you know, in the end, I'm happy Han is back. *01:15:58* It's a very rough situation they put themselves in, but I'm happy Han's back. *01:16:02* Yeah, I think this movie's legacy is more so that *01:16:07* These movies are running their course. *01:16:16* And the box office numbers wouldn't say that, and the in the fan response, I guess, in terms of the rotten tomato meter wouldn't *01:16:18* Suggest that again, 82% is quite good. *01:16:26* But I don't know I feel like they've run out of ideas. *01:16:29* Like we we everybody jokes like oh eventually they're gonna *01:16:34* Time travel and all this other stuff. *01:16:37* And but even then, like them going to space was not the A plot of the movie. *01:16:39* It was just a thing they sent Roman and Tez off to do per usual as *01:16:45* More like comedic effect, honestly. *01:16:49* And so I I don't know how much they have left to explore in these movies. *01:16:52* Sure. *01:16:58* And I really hope they come up with some more inventive *01:16:58* set pieces for the coming films because uh uh the ones from mm four or not four, from five and six and *01:17:03* seven are staying still sticking with me in terms of action sequences that I thought were quite good. *01:17:11* And they have yet to top many of those within eight and nine. *01:17:16* So it's a s it's a struggle. *01:17:21* And they have their work cut out for them, you know. *01:17:23* They've pitched 10 and 11 as kind of a *01:17:26* a duology of sorts, like they're supposed to be paired together in some way, more so than other films in the series. *01:17:29* So got a new director coming in on Fast Acts 'cause Justin Lynch and Sout. *01:17:36* So I'm yeah. *01:17:41* We're due for the Fast Ten trailer here fairly soon. *01:17:43* I wouldn't be surprised if it's the Super Bowl here in a couple of months. *01:17:46* Is when they'll put out the first trailer. *01:17:50* I know they did their like own like event around it. *01:17:54* They're like, we're gonna have a trailer drop event. *01:17:58* Everybody. *01:18:00* So maybe they'll do something like that again. *01:18:01* They could. *01:18:03* I think the Super Bowl I'll I'll say for this going just going off of how they've handled the last couple trailers with because I I remember this just because it's been pretty recent years. *01:18:04* The the the fast trailers are pretty long. *01:18:13* So I think a Super Bowl spot would be too long. *01:18:16* Well, no, they would they could have a 60 second *01:18:21* cut of it for the Super Bowl and say watch the full thing on YouTube. *01:18:24* Yeah, and they'll probably do that regardless. *01:18:28* Because they've done Super Bowl ad spots in the past and *01:18:29* You know, a movie this big probably is going to have a Super Bowl commercial. *01:18:33* We'll have the trailer out before I mean that'll be the latest, probably, for sure. *01:18:38* Well how the movie's out in May, so March, April, May, a three-month promotional cycle that makes sense to me. *01:18:45* Yeah. *01:18:52* Here at the end of this season, Logan, I have to ask *01:18:53* Well uh you don't have to give me the whole ranking. *01:18:56* I guess you could if you wanted to, but I just want to know what was your favorite movie and you know, what do you think now that you've seen them all? *01:18:59* Because I've *01:19:06* preach the gospel of these movies for most of my life and you're brand new. *01:19:07* So I'm just kind of curious at the end of it all here, how you're feeling and what you like the best. *01:19:12* I miss Paul Walker. *01:19:17* That is my big takeaway. *01:19:19* Yep. *01:19:21* Uh I really like five, six, seven, one, and two. *01:19:21* And I'm not much of a Tokyo Drift boy like I told you. *01:19:27* Uh and two is not very good, but I just like that it's it's *01:19:31* It's such a piece of its time. *01:19:35* Yeah, that's why I like it. *01:19:38* I like the old ones because they are from that era. *01:19:39* Uh *01:19:43* And and yeah, we've obviously talked exhaustively about all these. *01:19:44* I think these movies are fun. *01:19:48* Like I'm not expecting high art, like I'm ex I'm I'm very much looking forward to FastX coming out and going to the theater to see it. *01:19:49* And nice little summer popcorn. *01:19:56* Blockbuster flick. *01:19:59* So I I I'm I'm glad I have been pulled into the fold here. *01:20:01* Uh and I think these are fun. *01:20:05* These are I mean there's it's about what I expected. *01:20:08* Like th these these movies haven't been anything that I was not necessarily anticipating. *01:20:10* Um I would say that I do not think I am as big a fan of them as you are or some others. *01:20:14* You and I talked, I think, off-air like a week ago and I said like *01:20:20* I don't think I'll ever find myself sitting around one evening being like, you know, I really feel like watching Furious 7 right now or Fast and Furious 6. *01:20:24* Like, I can't see myself re-watching these movies too much, but I have enjoyed the run-through of them all for what they have been. *01:20:35* And I do not regret watching them. *01:20:43* I don't know. *01:20:46* Okay. *01:20:46* I'm glad. *01:20:47* I'm glad that you've watched them. *01:20:48* It's certainly an unconventional way to *01:20:49* watch them for the first time so close and do a show about them at the same time. *01:20:52* Yeah. *01:20:56* So now that you kind of have a five, six month break *01:20:57* And the ultimate build up to fast ten and then a couple of years for eleven. *01:21:03* I think that'll be interesting to see how you feel. *01:21:08* You'll kinda get in on the hype cycle, I think, a little bit, assuming *01:21:10* I generally now just watch the first trailer and then don't watch the rest of them because they spoil everything. *01:21:14* Yeah. *01:21:21* But it's *01:21:21* I'm glad that you're here. *01:21:23* I'm excited to do the next couple episodes with you. *01:21:24* When we finally get to those movies, it'll be fun to see. *01:21:28* And, you know. *01:21:32* We'll see if they bring back any characters that you really want. *01:21:33* You know, you'll get hype for Monica Fuentes' return to the Fast Family. *01:21:36* Honestly, the only thing they could get me really hype to do *01:21:40* is if Hobbes did come back and the whole Vin rock beef has been squashed behind the scenes, but nobody knows about it. *01:21:43* But given everything The Rock has said, no, that is not happening. *01:21:50* And the rock has been pretty blunt about that. *01:21:55* So oh well. *01:21:58* Yeah. *01:22:00* It sucks though because I again not to end this on a downer note, but I think the characters that bounce off of *01:22:01* Dom the best are Brian and Hobbes. *01:22:07* Yep. *01:22:13* And they're both and they're both out of the picture now. *01:22:13* And then so it'll be so we've just got we've got a little bit too much Dominic Toretto. *01:22:15* Without anybody to reel them in too much. *01:22:21* And I I think Letty's trying to fill that void now in the past couple moves, and I don't think that works to the same effect. *01:22:24* So maybe we'll bring maybe we'll get John Cena back in a bigger role. *01:22:31* And I think I would I I would like that because like I said, I feel like he was not in this movie enough. *01:22:36* And he should have been in it more prominently. *01:22:42* So maybe that'd be my hope for FastX. *01:22:44* And I think that does it for F9, the Fast Saga. *01:22:47* Thank you all so much for listening. *01:22:51* You can *01:22:52* Find the show online at chapterselect. *01:22:53* com or follow us on Twitter at Chapter Select. *01:22:55* You can find Logan on Twitter at Moreman12 and his writing over at comicbook. *01:22:57* com. *01:23:02* You can find myself on Twitter at maxroberts143 and my writing over at maxfrequency. *01:23:02* net. *01:23:08* Season five is all about Resident Evil, and it kicks off here in *01:23:09* Two weeks normal release schedule. *01:23:14* Season five starts on January 11th with Resident Evil 1. *01:23:16* Logan and I have been playing those games while making this season, so we're very excited. *01:23:21* To jump into the world of Raccoon City, Stars, the Umbrella Corporation, and all of that jazz. *01:23:26* So we hope you will join us for season five here in two weeks. *01:23:31* Until then, 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