# Chapter Select, [[S4E13 - Fast X]] Transcript
This transcription was completed on March 4, 2026 with the application MacWhisper on macOS. This was done automatically, without human input during the transcription process. The transcription used the Parakeet v3 model.
My hope is that by offering this transcription – however accurate it may be done by a machine learning/AI – will help you, the listener. I’d love to offer full, proper transcription some day, but that is not feasible at this time. Thank you for listening and reading. I hope you enjoy the show and that this document was helpful. Enjoy.
---
So I read your preview for Spider-Man.
*00:00*
Mm-hmm.
*00:03*
Tell me about it more though.
*00:04*
I'm cu you know, curious about your hands-on Mr Mr.
*00:06*
Spidey.
*00:09*
Uh there's honestly not much more to say.
*00:12*
Um I got it.
*00:16*
My concern.
*00:17*
Talk to me about this HUD situation.
*00:19*
It looked I saw a screenshot and it looked very busy.
*00:21*
Like the whole like you can see the whole map like activities on the map, but that that's a button press to bring that up or something.
*00:25*
You just like press R3 and it like
*00:31*
shoots everything.
*00:33*
But it only shows what you have discovered, if that makes any sense.
*00:34*
Oh it's like a uh Ubisoft where it's everything is on the map.
*00:38*
Yeah and you're only seeing icons that are like in like near you.
*00:42*
I'm pretty sure you're not seeing everything scattered right c across all of New York because one that doesn't render all of New York at a single time.
*00:46*
So you're just seeing what's near you and you're only seeing things that you have like stumbled across naturally.
*00:53*
Like for instance if you swing past uh
*00:58*
photo up area and you for some reason don't do that little side photo shoot thing there.
*01:01*
And the moment you're swinging by it.
*01:09*
The next time you're in that area, if you press R3, it'll like show you that that's there.
*01:11*
It's basically just a way to keep you from having to go into the menus constantly and
*01:14*
Like, oh, what's around?
*01:19*
Keep you moving.
*01:23*
That's all it is.
*01:24*
And so in that sense, it's really like a positive change.
*01:25*
I believe it's not busy or anything like that or overwhelming.
*01:28*
It's it's just more like kind of I heard people like compared to like ghost is
*01:32*
Tsushima and or Zelda.
*01:37*
Like stuff like that where it's it's you're kind of just in the more in the actual world rather than
*01:39*
Exiting the menus constantly.
*01:45*
What about the f gliding, the fly the suit, the flying thing?
*01:47*
Oh, it's great.
*01:50*
It's like there's like Superman sixty-four level style like side quest minigames though where you're like flying through rings with it.
*01:51*
I'm like, this is strange
*01:57*
I So it's really cool though.
*01:59*
I like it.
*02:00*
I like this.
*02:01*
It feels almost I don't think this is the right word, like antithetical to this the web swinging.
*02:02*
Like I feel like flying is so different than swimming.
*02:09*
No, it's awesome.
*02:13*
Okay.
*02:14*
It's it's awesome because they work really well in tandem.
*02:14*
It's just like one extra like traversal mechanic they've thrown into the mix.
*02:17*
Okay.
*02:21*
Okay.
*02:22*
I I that's good to hear.
*02:23*
It it it all feels very cohesive with itself.
*02:24*
Um and the wings are smart because New York is
*02:28*
Well they got the burrows now, right?
*02:31*
Yeah, they added additional burrows, so it's obviously going to take you longer to get around town.
*02:33*
So they added the wings as a way of allowing you to shoot yourself pretty quickly across the city if you need to.
*02:37*
What about the switching?
*02:44*
The GTA V style, like I didn't do that.
*02:46*
You didn't?
*02:49*
Oh, interesting.
*02:50*
Okay.
*02:51*
Um I didn't s I don't I honestly didn't know how to do it.
*02:55*
I mean I switched during the demo, but I only switched to instances where
*02:58*
story made you switch.
*03:03*
Hmm.
*03:05*
Yeah, so I don't even know if it was it'd be as instant as they say, 'cause of the SSD and all that, but I'm just I was curious.
*03:05*
I mean it was pretty instant even in like GTA or whatever
*03:12*
I feel like.
*03:15*
Like it would like zoom out and then zoom in.
*03:16*
Yeah.
*03:19*
It was like pretty quick, all things considered, for a 2013 game on Xbox 360.
*03:19*
Yeah, is
*03:25*
They d hit a lot of that uh that loading, but yes.
*03:27*
Um I was just kind of curious about it.
*03:31*
It's it's really good.
*03:33*
The demo I played was not
*03:34*
Um like it was a retread of the one mission that they already showed in The Lizard Pursuit stuff, right?
*03:38*
So that was like 30 to 40 minutes that I played right there.
*03:46*
It was probably just that mission retreat.
*03:48*
Oh you played that mission?
*03:50*
Yeah, that was one of them that I played.
*03:52*
Okay.
*03:55*
I played like five or six.
*03:55*
Yeah, but didn't you say in your preview like that was what you ended on though was basically the lizard stuff?
*03:57*
Uh yeah, so the after that when Peter's like, uh, I have big teeth too, and then he goes after and he swings off.
*04:03*
Then I played the mission after that, where he goes after
*04:10*
And then he f finds Lizard, and then you fight Lizard, and then Lizard's running through the streets, and then all of that.
*04:15*
Yeah, the demo ended
*04:23*
Right where Peter finally gets a hold of Lizard and he stabs him with the serum to turn him back into Dr.
*04:26*
Connors and then the cut to black.
*04:31*
And then it's like
*04:33*
Like the end of demo.
*04:33*
I was like, oh, of course.
*04:35*
So, hmm, hmm.
*04:36*
I'm excited, man.
*04:41*
I'm kinda
*04:42*
I'm like, it's a Friday.
*04:44*
You better play it as soon as it comes out.
*04:46*
You gotta break your little streak here.
*04:48*
Well, no, I'm kind of excited because it's a Friday, so I might like maybe I
*04:50*
Well wait, what day?
*04:56*
It's the 20th, right?
*04:57*
Uh yes.
*04:58*
Why do I feel like I'm doing something that night?
*05:00*
I am doing something that night.
*05:02*
You know what I'm doing?
*05:05*
Playing Mario Odyssey?
*05:07*
No, not Super Mario Wonder.
*05:09*
Is there a movie out?
*05:11*
No.
*05:13*
You're gonna roll your eyes.
*05:14*
It's Last of Us related.
*05:15*
Are you going to the Halloween horde thing?
*05:18*
I am.
*05:21*
We haven't been in a couple of years and uh Yeah.
*05:22*
I obviously I wanted to go because of that.
*05:25*
It seems cool.
*05:28*
It seems cool.
*05:29*
It'll be fun.
*05:30*
Um I'll probably only do that house once.
*05:31*
I my priorities will be that and Stranger Things, just because that one seems cool too.
*05:33*
Walk where Neil walked, you know, breathe the same air.
*05:39*
No, it'll be cool.
*05:44*
Um, but we're doing it that night.
*05:46*
But maybe Saturday and Sunday that weekend I can just kinda sit down.
*05:48*
Because the week before is Well they said it's not longer either.
*05:53*
Like people I I saw somebody ask them like how long it is.
*05:57*
They're like, oh, is it longer than the last game?
*06:00*
They're like, no, it's probably the same exact length as
*06:01*
the previous game.
*06:04*
That's a good thing.
*06:05*
Okay.
*06:05*
That's like 15 hours then, unless you do everything.
*06:05*
Which I will.
*06:10*
No, I'm excited.
*06:11*
Of course.
*06:12*
It'll be good.
*06:12*
I uh
*06:13*
We see John Mayer the week before, then Halloween Horror Nights the following week.
*06:14*
And then we got my cousin's wedding the following weekend.
*06:19*
So it's kind of like a a stacked weekend, but
*06:21*
And I start going back to the office three days a week in October, so I'm real sad boy over here.
*06:24*
I'm trying to think.
*06:31*
What else is coming soon?
*06:33*
Assassin's Creed, Assassin's Creed, Mario Spider-Man, Spider Man, Alan Wake, Mar Mario is probably the main thing I keep forgetting about.
*06:35*
Because I keep thinking next month, I'm like, there's something major.
*06:41*
And I just totally forget that it's Mario.
*06:44*
Yeah.
*06:47*
Honestly.
*06:48*
Yeah.
*06:52*
Some it's a it's a pretty good m October, I think.
*06:52*
I don't think a lot of the stuff I don't I think Forza isn't Forza October or is it November?
*06:57*
Forza is October, but that that's not been on my radar in the slides, to be totally honest.
*07:02*
No.
*07:08*
It's gonna it's pretty good diverse slate of games, but I will be uh just getting Spider-Man.
*07:09*
And then uh I'll play that.
*07:16*
I may start Metroid tomorrow morning.
*07:19*
We'll see.
*07:20*
It's real good.
*07:22*
I may start that up in the morning.
*07:24*
I keep wanting to play Arceus or Arceus.
*07:28*
Uh you should.
*07:31*
You absolutely should.
*07:32*
I definitely will here.
*07:34*
I'll I'll d I took notes.
*07:37*
Like I'll dig back into it a little bit and we could do a bonus episode on it.
*07:39*
But you totally should play that game, period.
*07:42*
Yeah, I definitely will.
*07:46*
I have seen
*07:48*
young Everett playing it after I got it for his birthday forum and he's been like obsessed with it.
*07:50*
And I'm like, this game looks real cool.
*07:56*
Except for the opening hours I watch him play.
*07:58*
I'm like, there's too much talking in this.
*07:59*
So like
*08:02*
Uh okay, so next month is.
*08:04*
Next month is that Hellboy game comes out out of nowhere.
*08:08*
Um and then there is The Comic, like Hellboy the Comic.
*08:12*
They revealed it last year at the Game Awards, yeah.
*08:17*
Remember that Hellboy game they showed off.
*08:20*
Next month is
*08:22*
Uh Assassin's Creed Detective Pete is another one.
*08:25*
I knew that was killing the same.
*08:27*
Forza
*08:29*
And then Spider-Man, Lords of the Fallen.
*08:33*
Um Sonic was another one, the new Sonic game.
*08:40*
Oh the new Hot Wheels game.
*08:46*
Goodness.
*08:49*
I mean I won't play that, but Hot Wheels game was in FastX.
*08:50*
Yeah, it was in FastX, it's true.
*08:54*
And Mario
*08:56*
Oh yeah, that's the other thing.
*08:58*
I knew there was something else I was not thinking of it completely.
*09:01*
Oh, I gotta I gotta get that.
*09:05*
Uh the Middle Gear Solid Collection.
*09:06*
Oh.
*09:09*
Have
*09:10*
Physical pre-orders gone up for that?
*09:11*
Yeah.
*09:13*
I don't know.
*09:14*
Metal.
*09:16*
I mean, and then there I mean there's just a bunch of stuff next month.
*09:16*
Ghost Runner 2, Alan Wake 2.
*09:19*
You're gonna get the Nintendo Switch version.
*09:21*
There are physical pre-orders up.
*09:23*
Is it only 50 bucks?
*09:25*
60.
*09:26*
That's I mean I can I mean that's I can do this right now.
*09:28*
As long as it's not as long as it's not 70, I can live with it.
*09:33*
PS5.
*09:37*
Yeah, of course.
*09:38*
Absolutely.
*09:40*
The pre-ordering.
*09:41*
You don't wanna you don't want the Nintendo Switcher version.
*09:42*
I'm gonna toss an ordering for it here.
*09:46*
They don't have a collector's edition or anything for this, do they?
*09:51*
Not unless it's directly on Konami's site.
*09:55*
Alright, I've ordered it.
*09:59*
Headzah.
*10:00*
Should I have?
*10:03*
I don't know.
*10:04*
But Metal Gear.
*10:04*
I feel like Metal Gear is one of the series that, you know, it's just like, alright, I'll buy it.
*10:06*
Um yeah, that was the other thing.
*10:12*
I knew there was something else next month.
*10:15*
I was like, there's something I'm sleeping on.
*10:16*
You could review that.
*10:19*
You should throw your name in the Well wait, are you reviewing Spider-Man?
*10:20*
I am not no.
*10:24*
I did not want to.
*10:26*
Good.
*10:27*
I try to I think it's good when you say I mean I I I I did like I would have
*10:28*
But I just somebody else on our site was like really, really like requesting it and I was like, that's fine, you can do it.
*10:35*
So I'm gonna review Alan Wake instead.
*10:42*
That's why you wanted to review it
*10:44*
Yeah, that's why I just wanted to finish playing through it.
*10:46*
Also, I apparently I can now say I played that last week, so but your other preview game?
*10:48*
Mm-hmm.
*10:54*
Yeah, Mike posted about it in the thing that said like I feel like I knew you were playing Alan Wake though.
*10:55*
I felt like that wasn't a secret.
*11:00*
Did you tell me?
*11:03*
I don't think so.
*11:05*
Maybe I did.
*11:06*
I feel like I knew Oh, maybe it was Mike and I figured it out.
*11:07*
Figured it out.
*11:13*
I had like said some things.
*11:14*
I was like, oh, I want to ask Sam Lake that question.
*11:15*
Yes.
*11:17*
And we had it.
*11:17*
And we were like, ah, you're there to play Alan Wake.
*11:19*
That's what it was.
*11:22*
We figured it out.
*11:23*
So Spider-Man and Alan Wake, that's a very Logan trip.
*11:24*
It it it very much was.
*11:27*
Did you get any Alan Wake swag?
*11:29*
Uh I did.
*11:32*
I got a uh I got a rain poncho and I got a uh thermos.
*11:33*
You didn't get a ducal.
*11:40*
One of the thermoses from the game.
*11:40*
You didn't get a Duracell battery?
*11:42*
Did not the thermos is really cool.
*11:44*
I'm totally into the thermos.
*11:46*
Did anyone comment on your shoes at the Spider-Man event?
*11:49*
Uh yes.
*11:52*
Somebody that worked for some did.
*11:53*
He's like, see you had to pull the Spider-Man shoes out.
*11:56*
I was like, of course I did.
*11:59*
Very good.
*12:01*
I'm ready if you are.
*12:02*
Hello everybody and welcome to Chapter Select a seasonal retrospective podcast where we bounce back and forth between a series exactly.
*12:14*
Exploring its evolution, design, and legacy.
*12:21*
And we're back to season four for The Fast and the Furious.
*12:24*
My name is Max Roberts, and I'm joined as always.
*12:27*
by Logan Moore.
*12:30*
Hi Logan.
*12:30*
Max, remember when I said I was gonna see this movie in theaters?
*12:31*
I I do.
*12:34*
I actually I was gonna I was gonna play this for you.
*12:35*
I'm very much looking forward to FastX coming out and going to the theater to see it.
*12:41*
Yeah.
*12:45*
Nice little summer popcorn blockbuster flick.
*12:45*
How how was your movie theater experience, Logan?
*12:49*
Uh well uh my movie theater experience took place on my couch this morning on uh September 22nd, 2023, thanks to the power of NBC's Peacock streaming platform.
*12:52*
That was my first viewing of Fast X.
*13:05*
I'm gonna say I mean I'll I'll say my thoughts for the movie afterwards.
*13:07*
Or actually I'll just say this.
*13:11*
I have not wanted to go to theaters.
*13:12*
At all the past few months.
*13:16*
Like this is not an an isolated thing with Fast and Furious.
*13:17*
I didn't I still haven't seen Guardians 3.
*13:21*
Um I never saw John Wick 4.
*13:23*
I think the only movie you saw was Oppenheimer.
*13:25*
Christopher Nolan dragged me to the theater as soon as humanly possible.
*13:29*
I was gung-ho to go see Oppenheimer for sure.
*13:33*
I don't know what it has
*13:36*
I I don't know.
*13:38*
Like I've been just having no desire to go see movies in the theaters.
*13:39*
I'll say this, I've I've had not had much of a desire to watch movies
*13:44*
period this year.
*13:49*
I've kind of been more of an a TV zone for some reason.
*13:50*
TV and video games.
*13:54*
And I I'm not sure what that's all about.
*13:55*
But yeah, I don't know.
*13:58*
I just uh it just every time I thought about going to see Fast Sex in theaters, because there are a couple times as as we know over the past few months that I messaged you and
*14:00*
uh considered going a few different times and it just every every time I was about to do it I was like you know I really don't want to commit
*14:08*
Three, three and a half hours, you know, driving to the theater, driving home watching this two and a half hour movie and so on.
*14:18*
And
*14:24*
Now that I finally have seen it, I will say, and maybe you can tell me if I'm wrong, I don't think I missed a lot um theatrical experience here, but
*14:25*
See, we both slightly missed because right around the time this movie came out, it came out on May 19th, I think I think we moved into our house
*14:38*
That week.
*14:52*
So I didn't see it opening weekend.
*14:54*
I saw it um I wrote it down.
*14:56*
I saw it about two weeks after it came out.
*14:59*
So I wasn't seeing it with a packed
*15:01*
theater.
*15:04*
So I didn't have that theater energy.
*15:04*
So I did miss a little bit of that.
*15:06*
But there's still there is something electric just about seeing it on the big screen and
*15:08*
We both absolutely need to see Fast Eleven and 12 in the theater.
*15:14*
And Hobbes, standalone Hobbs.
*15:20*
A lot's happened really since
*15:22*
the you know, the end of season four proper with uh all sorts of announcements and and fast developments.
*15:24*
But, you know, another thing that's happened since then is the public release of Super Chapter Select, the announcement, the launch.
*15:33*
We've been recording uh longer episodes, bonus episodes since Banjo Kazooie season three.
*15:41*
So all the while with season four here with Fast and Furious, we had longer episodes and
*15:48*
We have an exclusive episode, which I think the first time we're talking about it in the context of Fast and Furious here is uh we watched Better Luck Tomorrow as well.
*15:52*
We're really full family experience.
*16:01*
We go all the way back now.
*16:04*
Yeah, we've got a full array of bonus content lined up for you to check out if you're part of our
*16:06*
Super chapter select, uh what is it?
*16:13*
Annual subscription, right?
*16:16*
Annual and monthly.
*16:18*
You can get it for two and a half bucks a month or twenty dollars a year.
*16:19*
Really good and um get access to all the bonus episodes, longer episodes, exclusive videos.
*16:23*
I'll you know we add our fast ten reaction video, that's kind of a taste of this that sort of thing.
*16:30*
Fast and Furious, we had commentaries for a couple of movies as well, like Too Fast, Too Furious, and Fast Five.
*16:35*
So and we watched uh the short films, which are one of them is mentioned here in Fast Ten as well.
*16:40*
Yeah.
*16:48*
So, you know, there's all sorts of Fast and Furious and Resident Evil and Pokemon stuff for folks to check out.
*16:49*
So you can head over to listeningwithsuperpower.
*16:56*
com and sign up and learn more.
*16:59*
by heading over there to listeningwith superpower.
*17:01*
com.
*17:04*
Just uh go back to what we were talking about before.
*17:05*
Like I'm I I decided to go back and look through here at all the twenty twenty three releases that have come out that I have missed and I mention
*17:07*
Guardians 3, I didn't see, uh John Wick IV, I did not see.
*17:13*
I've also not seen I never saw Ant-Man in theaters.
*17:17*
I skipped that one as well.
*17:20*
Thorburn me with MCU stuff in the theaters.
*17:21*
You totally could skip uh
*17:24*
That's what I've heard.
*17:27*
Ant-Man.
*17:28*
I could skip Ant-Man.
*17:28*
I that is what I've heard.
*17:31*
I've been skipping a lot of the TV shows already, but Thor, Love, and Thunder last year.
*17:32*
uh completely burnt me on going to Marvel movies in the theaters.
*17:36*
Because I saw Doctor Strange and that both in theaters and then after that I was like, okay, I think I'm tapping out here.
*17:40*
And since then I have not gone, I didn't go to Black Panther, did not do to Ant-Man, did not do Guardians.
*17:45*
I will absolutely not be doing the Marvels.
*17:51*
uh this year.
*17:55*
Oh yeah, that's like in two months.
*17:57*
Yeah.
*17:58*
Yep.
*17:59*
So I I also didn't watch, you know, there was an Indiana Jones movie that came out.
*17:59*
Didn't see that.
*18:04*
Uh I never saw I still haven't seen Creed III.
*18:05*
I still haven't seen the Michael Jordan Shoe movie starring Damon and Ben Affleck.
*18:08*
I know, I need to watch that.
*18:14*
I mean the only couple things that I mean
*18:16*
This will speak a lot to where I'm at in my life now, um, I guess.
*18:18*
But the things I have gone to the theater to see this year have included the Mario movie.
*18:23*
uh The Little Mermaid and Spider Verse.
*18:28*
So can you tell that I'm hanging around with children more often now?
*18:31*
Maybe slightly.
*18:35*
I mean I saw all of those as well.
*18:36*
I'm surprised Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles wasn't on your list there either.
*18:38*
TMNT is one that uh well you know this about me.
*18:42*
I'm not a huge person ye person.
*18:45*
But I will say I think that movie looks quite good and I do kind of want to watch it at some point.
*18:49*
It was fun
*18:53*
So I think I will end up doing that eventually.
*18:54*
Yeah, it'll be on Peacock before you know it.
*18:57*
Exactly.
*19:01*
Yeah, a lot of these movies are already on other streaming services too.
*19:01*
Like I know I think Creed's on pr Creed 3 is on Prime.
*19:04*
I know the
*19:07*
Sneaker movie air is on Prime, I believe, as well.
*19:08*
Um, obviously Disney Plus with the Marvel stuff.
*19:11*
Um, watch Guardians, you'll catch up.
*19:14*
Guardians is the one I really think you should watch.
*19:17*
Yeah, and I will love that.
*19:21*
I have absolutely no doubt about it.
*19:22*
I love James Gunn and I love those movies.
*19:24*
That and John Wick.
*19:27*
You don't need to watch the rest of the movies you missed.
*19:28*
John Wick, I think, is also maybe on Peacock, actually.
*19:29*
I know that new like spin-off show.
*19:32*
Which you didn't even know existed until like, I think a month ago.
*19:35*
The Continental.
*19:38*
Yes.
*19:40*
IMDB was filled with ads while I was filling out this document for it.
*19:40*
Yes.
*19:44*
Yeah, you messaged me about that.
*19:45*
I want to see five or six weeks ago, and you're like, what is this?
*19:46*
And I'm like, oh, it's the origin story of the hotel.
*19:50*
Aren't you
*19:53*
interested in this.
*19:54*
No, no, stop.
*19:55*
Please.
*19:57*
I don't I don't I hate let me go.
*19:58*
Free me.
*20:01*
That's that's kind of like in a nutshell why I hate current
*20:02*
Hollywood or just media in general, like things cannot just be good on their own.
*20:08*
They always have to be capitalized on with something else.
*20:12*
Like na when I watch John Wick, I'm not trying to
*20:15*
I'm not really that interested in the lore and world, and I don't need a backstory that doesn't feature the titular character.
*20:18*
Um, what's the other thing that's kind of doing this now too?
*20:26*
Uh oh, The Boys is coming out with a spinoff.
*20:29*
I don't know if you've seen that.
*20:31*
I know you don't watch the boys.
*20:32*
I I know they had an animated show and
*20:35*
The animated show was like, I think, just like shorts or one off like little I don't think it was like um I think it was just like different
*20:37*
stories set within that universe animated, which I think probably would work pretty well.
*20:46*
This is like a whole spin-off of like
*20:51*
people in college or something like that.
*20:54*
I don't like it.
*20:56*
I don't know.
*20:56*
You know, speaking of Amazon animated and spin-off slash like backstory material, uh, the Adam Eve special was pretty good.
*20:57*
I d I have not watched that.
*21:08*
Dude But but but but but but but but the reason I haven't is because I was out of thank you for reminding me about that.
*21:10*
Remind me about this again soon.
*21:16*
Um the only reason I haven't watched it yet is because I was out of town when it released
*21:18*
It's like, it's this great 50 minutes of just, you know, Adam Eve origin, but it totally scratches that
*21:21*
Invincible itch.
*21:30*
I'll have to watch that.
*21:31*
Oh, it's fun.
*21:32*
Absolutely.
*21:33*
Abby wants to rewatch the show before season two here in a couple months.
*21:33*
We're getting close to that.
*21:37*
That that's gonna be fun.
*21:38*
I'm looking forward to that.
*21:40*
We're talking about everything other than fast sex.
*21:40*
Sorry, sorry if you're if you've tuned into this episode.
*21:43*
And I mean, for slight context, we haven't really been we haven't done a show here in a few weeks.
*21:47*
Uh a lot of travel, a lot of work, so
*21:51*
You know, just fill in a little bit of the void, but it's still a good time.
*21:54*
And, you know what I mean that's kind of
*21:58*
been following us around Fast X as well as like just things surrounding it and our lives.
*22:02*
So it's all related to the conversation, but uh
*22:08*
Yeah, I mean I guess it sort of exp well, I was gonna say I guess it sort of explains why it's again September and we're now doing this episode rather than back in May.
*22:10*
It's been a busy summer.
*22:19*
I've been doing a lot of traveling for work.
*22:20*
Um, obviously I've been dating somebody this year too, so that's been taking up a lot of my free time.
*22:23*
And you've been raising a one-year-old and moving into a home and all like it's just
*22:28*
Know.
*22:35*
There's a lot going on.
*22:35*
A lot going on.
*22:36*
But it's fast.
*22:37*
We finally got you to watch it.
*22:39*
I've seen it twice now, which is not something I thought was going to happen before we recorded.
*22:40*
But yeah, let's talk about this movie.
*22:45*
Yeah, let's break everything down here uh as we always do at the top.
*22:47*
So Fast X um
*22:51*
The tenth installment in the series.
*22:55*
Uh released on the 11th, but yeah, which one am I missing?
*22:58*
Or I guess better.
*23:01*
Ah, Hobbs and Shaw.
*23:03*
Okay, that's I knew there was that.
*23:04*
Yeah.
*23:05*
Release date for this one was May 19th, 2023.
*23:06*
It was perhaps infamously directed by Louis Letier, or Letierie, I think that's how you pronounce his name.
*23:09*
Uh yes.
*23:18*
I I don't know.
*23:20*
Yeah, I don't even know.
*23:21*
After Justin Lynn stepped away, he was supposed to be the original director, and then there was a big old director mix-up, and then Louis Letier, I think is how you pronounce it, uh stepped in.
*23:22*
I'm sorry if I'm butchering that
*23:30*
Uh the producers were Neil H.
*23:32*
Moritz, Van Diesel, Justin Lynn, still got producer credits though.
*23:33*
Uh Jeffrey Kirshenbaum and Samantha Vincent, who is Van Diesel's sister, you've noted here.
*23:37*
The writers on the film were Dan Majou and Justin Lynn.
*23:42*
The primary actors has both bloated up quite a bit.
*23:46*
We've got Vin Diesel, Michelle Rodriguez, Tyrese Gibson, Chris Ludacris Bridges.
*23:51*
Sung King, Natalie Emmanuel, Scott Eastwood, Alan Richson, John Cena, Charlize Therone, Jordana Brewster, Helen Miran, Rita Moreno, Jason Statham, Bree Larson, and Jason Momoa.
*23:56*
That's and then we don't even mention I mean I know they're not really in it in it, but we've got obviously
*24:11*
Oh yeah.
*24:21*
Galgado and the rock shutting back up there at the very end.
*24:22*
These movies are getting this a little too crazy.
*24:27*
The composer again, per usual, is Brian Tyler.
*24:30*
And these stunt coordinators this time around were Troy Robinson, Andy Gill, Nick McKinless, Peter Miles, and Olivier Schneider
*24:33*
Uh you've noted here that on IAMDB there are 192 matches for the word stunt on the cast page of FastX.
*24:41*
So there's a lot of stunt coordinators and stunt men involved with this one.
*24:48*
Yeah, it's pretty wild.
*24:53*
This is baffling to me.
*24:56*
This movie cost, well, this movie cost $340 million to make it.
*24:59*
You've noted it's the eighth most expensive film of all time.
*25:03*
it only made seven hundred and fourteen million, which is a big letdown.
*25:07*
Like that's still a they still doubled their profit there, but that is or doubled their uh what they put into it, but yeah, that's
*25:12*
That is not good for what they expect from this series.
*25:21*
Like they I I think anytime they make one of these they're expecting a billion worldwide with ease.
*25:25*
Um yeah, I mean so when looking at the whole franchise, it is uh oh, this is lifetime.
*25:30*
This is worldwide maybe.
*25:37*
It's like the eighth
*25:38*
lifetime gross, it looks like, for out of all of them.
*25:40*
So it's not doing super well.
*25:44*
I mean obviously Furious 7 is the top with 6 and and stuff like that, but uh it looks like FastX is not doing so hot
*25:45*
Well I'm curious to see well for one I I want to mention this like wonder how much of the budget is tied to just all of those names that I just mentioned.
*25:53*
I mean there's obviously so many people now in these films that are taking up like decent chunks of screen time and I imagine they're being paid pretty ample amounts of money.
*26:03*
So I imagine a lot of that's going to the cast.
*26:16*
Not saying that it's still not obviously stupid expensive to film these movies, but uh
*26:19*
But yeah, as the cast continues to blow up and we've got more people coming back from the past, like sure like when Gal Godot again she was only barely in the movie, but
*26:25*
I I'm sure she's a lot more expensive to bring back into this world compared to before she was, you know, Wonder Woman.
*26:33*
So Yeah.
*26:42*
It's
*26:43*
That and you've got to think the marketing campaign is just so global for this franchise now as well.
*26:45*
Yes.
*26:50*
It's it's probably through the roof.
*26:50*
I mean it premiered in Rome like a week early, you know, a s a chunk of the movie takes place in Rome, so that was kind of why.
*26:52*
So it just I I think it's just more and more the talent they keep bringing in.
*26:59*
And you know, they keep bringing famous people in as well, like Bree Larson as a new addition or Jason Momoa also
*27:04*
you know, good actors and very expensive and very popular and famous.
*27:11*
So it just they keep bloating it by adding more people, which then you'd think in turn brings more people to the theater to see it.
*27:14*
You know, I remember Fast Five trailers coming out and being like, Oh my gosh, Vin Diesel is gonna fight the rock.
*27:23*
That's gonna be great.
*27:29*
And then, you know, just a couple movies later, oh my gosh, now it's Jason Statham in the rock and Vin Diesel, like
*27:30*
That mentality keeps going and going and now we're just eleven movies deep and it it just keeps swelling.
*27:36*
Critically, this movie on the good old Rotten Tomatoes got a fifty-six percent uh approval rating from critics.
*27:43*
And then 85 from audiences.
*27:51*
Um, I'm gonna be honest, that proof of rating from audiences is higher than I would expect, but
*27:53*
And maybe that speaks to what I think about the movie, which we'll get into discussing here.
*28:00*
I think at the end of the day, people who are going to see these movies in theaters like kind of know what they're signing up for, and so they can't no one's surprised.
*28:05*
Too disappointed by it in that sense?
*28:12*
I will, you know, kind of to bounce off that.
*28:15*
I think maybe to launch in our overall kind of assessment of the movie.
*28:18*
I when so you know, we're getting close to actually recording this episode, and you're like, I'm gonna watch it on Peacock, and I'm like, well, alright, I'll do it too.
*28:23*
I'll watch it again to refresh myself because it's been three months since I've seen it.
*28:31*
I was into movie theater the first time I saw it, so I wasn't able to take real-time notes.
*28:35*
So I like was quickly jotting everything down after the movie to try and, you know, capture what I noticed and felt.
*28:39*
So I watched it a second time and I was kind of not looking forward to it.
*28:47*
I was like, this is not good, this is gonna be rough.
*28:51*
Like it's not gonna be a fun, necessary rewatch.
*28:53*
And I enjoyed it more the second time than the first.
*28:56*
And maybe that's just because I was able to have even more fun with it because I knew
*29:01*
the highs and the lows of the movie.
*29:06*
Um nothing was a mystery.
*29:09*
And so then I could kind of lean into each part as it presented itself, but
*29:10*
Yeah, this movie is I think it's better than nine, and heck, I'd say even maybe eight, uh, but it's certainly not the best that uh
*29:16*
That the team has produced.
*29:27*
It's I and I think a big part of that is it's a two-parter slash now a three-parter.
*29:29*
Yeah.
*29:37*
Um so this movie just feels
*29:38*
Broken.
*29:41*
Kind of like s the Spider-Verse I was talking about before that movie just kind of ends on a massive cliffhanger.
*29:42*
Yeah, but that felt a bit
*29:48*
That felt designed and earned a bit more.
*29:50*
Um it's very Yeah it's very Star Wars y, right?
*29:53*
The Spider-Man thing.
*29:56*
This felt
*29:58*
unnecessarily split into multi-parts or at least not split well.
*30:00*
Um so it's just it's gonna be it yeah it's unfortunate that it was split out and now it's three parts
*30:04*
So now it's gonna be dragged out even longer, which, you know, whatever.
*30:12*
I'm I'll be here for the ride.
*30:15*
Uh we'll see if it's gonna get dragged.
*30:17*
I'm I'm curious to see if it is gonna get dragged out longer because again this movie made a lot less money than they anticipated
*30:18*
But also they're making a Hobbes movie now that is like the the bridge between this and Fast Ten Two, part two, whatever they're gonna call it.
*30:25*
That's what's next?
*30:35*
Hobbs is next, according to Dwayne Johnson and the internet.
*30:37*
Well, he sure had a lot of free time on his hands after Black Adam and Cloda and
*30:42*
Something else imploded on his hands, didn't it?
*30:48*
I'm trying to think what it was.
*30:51*
I knew his black atom was like one of the big things.
*30:52*
Yeah.
*30:55*
Well, I'm thinking of
*30:55*
I'm thinking of Cavill who lost Witcher and Superman.
*30:57*
Yeah.
*31:02*
Like back to back.
*31:02*
So um here's the thing I'll say about this movie.
*31:04*
There are I don't think it is
*31:07*
Bad necessarily.
*31:11*
But I wrote uh one of the notes I wrote here on my end, once I got about 75% of the w of the way through the movie, is just
*31:14*
I am surprised by how boring I'm finding this movie to be.
*31:23*
And I think it is, I don't know.
*31:27*
I think part of that's just because the story they're telling here is not all that
*31:31*
Thrilling or engaging or fun, honestly.
*31:36*
Like it's just typical, I'm a shadowy figure from the past, and I want revenge on Dominic Toretto.
*31:39*
And it's like, okay.
*31:46*
Uh so it's it's really there's nothing super engaging about that plot line.
*31:49*
And then I I feel like the set pieces are starting to kind of become yeah
*31:55*
They it's just th this whole sea here's here's the thing with this movie, which I think is both to its benefit and its detriment, is that
*32:02*
For the pat for the entire run of this series, they have been just steadily upping the insanity every time.
*32:10*
Every single movie seems like it tries to one-up the one before it.
*32:17*
Not only in terms of its
*32:21*
set pieces and the action scenes and what's happening on screen but also the story.
*32:23*
Um and I I know we talked about this in I think our episode eight or nine
*32:29*
uh discussion or our fast eight or fast nine discussion where it's like okay now nuclear bombs are getting into play here and like this woman wants to nuke the world like at what point that's eight because she steals the nuclear sub which somehow
*32:34*
Giselle is now in possession of Yes.
*32:49*
So like we talked about we talked with that movie, like the scale of this keeps blowing up at what point
*32:53*
Like, are they gonna go too far?
*33:00*
And this movie, I think, to its benefit, chooses not to go too crazy
*33:01*
It's very personal.
*33:07*
It's still insane.
*33:09*
Like the opening thing the villain new villain Dante tries to do is, hey, I'm gonna blow up the Vatican.
*33:11*
It's like, okay.
*33:15*
So there's still
*33:17*
Crazy stuff happening.
*33:19*
But at the same time, I think this does lead to it, like I said, being a little bit more
*33:20*
I I don't know, boring?
*33:26*
Like they they they've up the stakes and they they've upped the insanity so much that to then like kind of scale things back just a bit makes it a little less
*33:28*
engaging sort of, but also that's what I w wanted to some degree.
*33:39*
It's it's a it's a hard line to sort of balance here.
*33:43*
I think it's
*33:46*
I think it's in part because they're they're splitting this story up because there's no
*33:48*
It felt like there was no m momentum toward a resolution.
*33:57*
It's because it's supposed to end on a cliffhanger.
*34:00*
And the thing that you and I both
*34:02*
don't care for, I think, in stories is when they unnecessarily split up the core cast of characters.
*34:05*
Yes, this is one of my biggest movie
*34:14*
No one dom is isolated the entire time.
*34:17*
Yep.
*34:20*
And it's just even at the end, like you they never reunite.
*34:21*
It's just not it it's annoying, really.
*34:25*
Yes.
*34:29*
I mean
*34:29*
Yeah, that's another one of the big points that I wrote down here is that the family is scattered too much, is what I wrote.
*34:32*
There is just
*34:39*
All of these different, there are different plot lines with all the different characters.
*34:40*
I mean, per usual you've got Roman Intej and uh oh what's her name?
*34:44*
Um
*34:49*
Uh-huh, the the um uh computer whiz lady.
*34:50*
Oh my gosh.
*34:54*
It's I can't remember her name, I don't know.
*34:55*
Ramsey Ramsey
*34:57*
Yeah, you've got Romantez and Ramsey all running around doing their thing.
*34:59*
That's kind of been the MO for the past couple movies.
*35:03*
You've usually got Dom and Letty together.
*35:05*
They're no longer together, obviously, because Letty's in jail hanging out with Cypher for half of this movie.
*35:08*
So you really do have Dom isolated for most of the the film.
*35:14*
And then, you know, ever everybody else kind of shows up.
*35:20*
Mia shows up at one point for one scene playing Hot Wheels.
*35:23*
It's such a
*35:28*
It's such a bummer that she's just everybody is so scattered and split up and it makes me wonder well for one it's just not fun because one of the big allures of this series is just seeing all the different characters interact.
*35:30*
constant or and working together like that's what makes five so good.
*35:43*
That's what makes six so good.
*35:47*
But as the cast has started to bloat a little bit more, this has
*35:48*
I I I I feel like the everybody being split up in this manner has started to become a little bit more normal the past few movies.
*35:52*
Because I feel like it was like this um quite a bit throughout nine as well.
*35:59*
Um so yeah, but it it's it it it's it's it's lost the sort of like um tight knit uh I mean to be
*36:05*
k sort of sarcastic about it, but like that familial feel that these movies have had has had where everybody is a tight-knit family.
*36:14*
It's d it's not like that really anymore.
*36:22*
And I and I miss that.
*36:24*
Yeah, and I'm
*36:26*
I'm concerned that when the gang is reunited, because that's going to happen, right?
*36:29*
There's going to be a moment where they do all get back together.
*36:35*
Um, you know, like the movie ends and Roman Tej and Ramsey, their plane has crashed, but they're not dead.
*36:39*
They survived that somehow.
*36:45*
And you know Dom and Lilby are gonna survive a damn exploding.
*36:46*
And obviously Letty, Cypher, and
*36:50*
Um Giselle will escape on a submarine.
*36:53*
So at some point everyone's gonna get together and it's how are they gonna how are they gonna survive the I don't know like I don't swim.
*36:55*
I'm gonna swim I am really thrilled.
*37:03*
I'm I was gonna say I'm really hoping that CGI Paul Walker doesn't zoom in and save the day.
*37:07*
I can we I want to talk on that.
*37:13*
But at some point they're gonna be reunited, right?
*37:15*
And I just feel like it's not gonna feel
*37:17*
As good as it should, you know?
*37:21*
Like I It's doesn't it's not like a Yeah, it doesn't feel like an earned reunion.
*37:23*
This feels like an unnecessary division of the group.
*37:28*
Yeah.
*37:31*
And that creates strain on the movie.
*37:31*
And it makes it feel odd and just not quite right.
*37:35*
Like something's off.
*37:40*
Because we are supposed to see Roman and Vin at, you know, together.
*37:41*
Dom and Roman are together and Tez is there.
*37:46*
And, you know, then Ramsay's off doing her computer thing.
*37:49*
And then you've got.
*37:52*
Um Michelle, she's you know, leady.
*37:53*
I'm I'm like intermixing all their names.
*37:56*
I know.
*37:58*
I was doing the same thing.
*37:59*
I couldn't remember everybody's names when I started watching this movie.
*38:00*
I'm like, wait, who's Michelle Rodriguez again?
*38:02*
So it's just it feels
*38:06*
strange and there's some weird character interactions that I want to touch on and the first one is were you how I guess
*38:08*
Maybe you weren't worried because you knew it didn't happen, but when I saw this movie the first time in the theater, I hadn't seen any of the spoilers that Giselle was back or the, you know, that the rock is back.
*38:17*
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
*38:27*
So when we see um
*38:28*
Oh my gosh, I'm just gonna say Jordana Brewster playing Hot Wheels with Lil B.
*38:31*
Mia.
*38:36*
Mia, thank you.
*38:36*
And then the those the bad guys show up at the house and they start attacking, and you just see someone
*38:38*
Be the bad guy from the kitchen.
*38:44*
Yes, I absolutely thought it was CJI Paul Walker, if that's Okay, you did think that.
*38:46*
Okay.
*38:50*
Yep, I did, but I knew he wasn't fear.
*38:51*
I knew he wasn't in the movie.
*38:54*
And so I was like
*38:56*
So yeah, I I I was very confused for like a moment there.
*38:58*
I felt like I was like, oh no, they're gonna bring him back.
*39:02*
And it clearly was shot that way too.
*39:05*
They wanted you to think it was him first.
*39:08*
And then but then also everyone's like, oh yeah, Jacob would be here too.
*39:11*
Well they've they've already had his car pull up to the house at the end of the previous films.
*39:16*
That's fine.
*39:20*
I the car is a good embodiment of
*39:21*
Paul and feels respectful.
*39:24*
But and speaking of, I don't know if you caught this, I think the parking lot from the beginning of the movie
*39:26*
Where Dom is teaching Lil's.
*39:32*
Is that the parking lot from the start of the first movie?
*39:34*
I think it is, where where um Brian is drifting his car.
*39:37*
I think it's the same parking lot.
*39:42*
Isn't he r isn't he doing that in like the parking lot of Dodger Stadium or something like that now?
*39:43*
Can't remember.
*39:49*
I'm not confident.
*39:50*
It looks like the same parking lot, but I haven't gone back to confirm.
*39:50*
But it definitely at least gave that vibe.
*39:54*
Yeah.
*39:56*
To me.
*39:57*
And so it was just yeah.
*39:57*
But I was really worried about that.
*40:01*
And it just it felt weird.
*40:02*
And then I think the other weird character
*40:04*
interaction moment was with Han and Shaw.
*40:08*
That felt
*40:15*
Yes.
*40:16*
Very unrealistic and rushed.
*40:17*
And I get it.
*40:20*
There was kind of Unrealistic because Hans returned from the dead.
*40:20*
Unrealistic because
*40:24*
They just they're cool with each other.
*40:27*
Like there's no theory.
*40:31*
How Han doesn't hold a grudge against him uh against whom I don't really understand.
*40:34*
I get family.
*40:39*
Everyone's family now.
*40:40*
But there is no like Han's like, I gotta do this by myself.
*40:41*
And then they fight, but that's only because Shaw thinks he brought the bad guys to like detain him.
*40:48*
I just it felt like so That felt more offensive to me and uh like a a justice for Han kind of sense than
*40:55*
the in you know the previous in F9 and stuff, like just bringing Han back.
*41:05*
And then having Giselle show up at the very end of the movie and Han not know about her also feels kind of like a s like a
*41:10*
It feels almost like a slap in the face to, you know, arguably my, you know, second favorite person in all these movies.
*41:17*
So Well they're pulling a Star Wars with the no one's ever really dead
*41:25*
type thing that's going on here.
*41:30*
Like no one's ever really dead.
*41:31*
Because I don't see how Jacob comes back.
*41:34*
Uh well I got news for ya.
*41:37*
We've seen Han already blow up in a fiery explosion.
*41:39*
So this is true
*41:42*
So why would I not like that's the that's the thing.
*41:44*
They're ru they're robbing themselves of these like meaningful moments where they're where they're trying to well they're trying to like make you feel fear is the audience viewer, like oh my gosh, Jacob's dead.
*41:47*
Uh
*41:58*
And he absolutely should be dead in that instance.
*41:59*
But it's like, okay, well, everybody else that's died in this series that you've told me is dead is
*42:01*
uh come back to life eventually.
*42:07*
Except for like Elena who got her.
*42:09*
I mean Elena's dead dead.
*42:12*
She got her brains blown out in front of Dom.
*42:14*
So I'm pretty sure she's not in his detective mode
*42:17*
Yes, maybe.
*42:21*
No, that's what Don was doing.
*42:22*
Remember, he was like at the crisis like this is meth meth with Letty.
*42:24*
Yeah, I forgot about that.
*42:30*
Oh yeah.
*42:31*
Yeah.
*42:32*
Elena's the only one who's really Elena.
*42:32*
Oh I'm sorry.
*42:35*
I was confusing Letty and Elena.
*42:35*
No, Elena, Lil B's mama.
*42:38*
She got she got shot.
*42:40*
But that was the whole class.
*42:42*
She got shot in the face.
*42:43*
Right in front of Dom.
*42:45*
So I don't think she's coming back from that one.
*42:46*
The thing I want to say about the characters and the thing that I think this movie has shed a light on for me, and I I started kind of feeling this way.
*42:48*
Maybe not with as much with eight, but definitely with nine.
*42:55*
And then it really has continued into this one, is that I don't know if he's not a good character, or maybe it's just
*43:00*
I I don't like Dom anymore.
*43:07*
And I think the problem is Dom on his own does not work well.
*43:10*
Dom needs somebody to bounce off of.
*43:15*
And previously, you know, for the first
*43:17*
seven movies or not all seven I know but like for the longest time that was Paul Walker that was Brian and those two had great chemistry and they bounced off of e one another.
*43:20*
And they uh they they amplified one another's characters, I think, because of their differences and their similarities and stuff like that.
*43:29*
Following Paul Walker's exit, or maybe not
*43:37*
Exactly Paul Walker's exit, but uh I I think Dom and Hobbes had that same sort of uh vibe between them.
*43:40*
And then
*43:50*
With the introduction of Jacob in the last movie, I thought that, you know, Cena would kind of step into the fray here and be the new person that would end up being the buddy duo partner of Dom.
*43:51*
And instead, no, they've just kind of isolated Dom
*44:01*
And I don't think it works.
*44:04*
He needs somebody to bounce off of throughout these movies because him on his own is
*44:07*
Like a cartoon I mean, they're all like cartoon characters, but he's like Like the tackiness of this film franchise really shines through that much more when I feel like he doesn't have
*44:15*
someone else to play off of, if that makes any sense.
*44:28*
I think Vin shines when he has people to bounce off of, when there is
*44:32*
chemistry between him and the other actors.
*44:39*
And he's just alone in this movie.
*44:45*
And so he
*44:48*
I don't think he can shine the way that Vin Diesel does.
*44:49*
Like, you know, he he's famous and good for a reason.
*44:53*
He he can captivate an audience, even if he just says, you know, Superman.
*44:57*
Or I am Groot, but it's it's this energy and motion capture and all this other stuff.
*45:03*
And he has that in Fast and Furious.
*45:07*
Obviously, the series is international and it's been going on for 20 plus years.
*45:10*
But he needs those other people.
*45:16*
And I just feel like we've unnecessarily isolated him from the group.
*45:18*
And it's gonna be they really need to get back together really quick in the second one and need to work together.
*45:24*
It just feels like an unnecessary division.
*45:31*
I am hopeful though, because
*45:34*
Hobbs is back.
*45:37*
They him, you know, Dwayne and Vin have buried the hatchet.
*45:40*
Hobbs has returned.
*45:46*
Supposedly they had buried the hatchet all the time behind the scenes is what people are saying.
*45:48*
I heard I actually think
*45:52*
Duane said that they'd buried it the last summer, so in twenty-two.
*45:54*
I heard, yeah, I think we actually did.
*45:58*
I mean this is you can go look this up.
*46:01*
Um
*46:03*
on my website, but I think we actually did an interview the other day with Louis Letier or however you pronounce his name.
*46:04*
Again, sorry if I'm butchering that.
*46:12*
The director of the film.
*46:13*
And we asked him about that, somebody on our staff didn't saw him say, like, oh yeah, Vin and Vin and Dwayne have been on like good terms for like a pretty long time now.
*46:15*
And like it hasn't been anything
*46:25*
um as bad as it's been made out to be or anything like that.
*46:27*
That's just, you know, pop media, news cycle.
*46:31*
Yeah, and I can and I imagine and I that I that's kind of what I'm imagining as well.
*46:34*
But I think uh tell me if you feel the same way.
*46:39*
This kind of really hit me this time around.
*46:43*
Granted, I was pretty ill uh Abby was with me when we saw it in theaters when there were a few other people in the theaters, but
*46:45*
When I saw Hobbes come back, I got amped.
*46:51*
Uh really truly excited.
*46:57*
And it reminded me, I thought of this today actually.
*46:59*
it reminds me of Vin's cameo at the end of Tokyo Drift.
*47:03*
Like and I don't think any other character in the series, except Han, you know, when they the Han comes back, I think.
*47:07*
for me at least, has that kind of effect.
*47:17*
And I can only imagine, I br I probably could look it up on YouTube.
*47:21*
But opening night with you know the fast family fans.
*47:25*
I bet those theaters popped off when Hobbes shows up at the end of that movie.
*47:30*
Yeah, they did a good job of hiding it for sure.
*47:36*
Yeah, I like I truly was surprised and
*47:38*
It just felt so good and I can't wait to see them all interact again.
*47:41*
Yeah, unlike uh again talking about
*47:48*
Dwayne's other most recent project, Black Adam, where he had spilled the beans on Cavel Bean and that before the movie was even out, he's out there, you know
*47:51*
talking about it and it's like what the heck like uh they really did do a good job of keeping the lid on his return here.
*48:00*
But I my thing was like I always felt like he would
*48:06*
come back because sure but it's it's a mo this is a multi-billion dollar franchise that he's a part of like he I know he
*48:10*
He always says this, and I do actually believe the rock on this front.
*48:20*
Like he always says like the fans tell me what they want and I try to listen to them.
*48:24*
So like
*48:29*
Everybody wanted to see him back in these movies.
*48:29*
There was no way I didn't think he was not gonna oblige that.
*48:31*
Right.
*48:34*
I never especially thought that either.
*48:35*
Especially with these movies like nearing the end.
*48:37*
Like he is a pivotal character and pivotal part of these movies.
*48:38*
He's gonna come back for the final stretch here.
*48:42*
Yeah, I just but it felt good.
*48:44*
And I think I'm really hopeful for that chemistry and stuff again.
*48:46*
So
*48:53*
But Logan, there's kind of like a big thing we haven't talked about at all.
*48:55*
And we've been going for I don't know, 30, 40 minutes.
*49:00*
Is it Lil B?
*49:04*
You want to talk about Lil B?
*49:05*
No, not really.
*49:07*
Is it J is it Momoa, I imagine?
*49:08*
Jason Momoa, man.
*49:12*
Can we
*49:14*
I feel so vindicated.
*49:16*
I feel so Vin Vindicated.
*49:18*
Fast five is so good.
*49:22*
And the hot the safe chase is so good that they've used it twice now.
*49:24*
Yeah, this is literally the opening like three minutes of the movie.
*49:30*
I was like, oh, we're just watching this again.
*49:33*
I love it that we're going back to Reyes and that Reyes has a secret son that no one knew about.
*49:35*
Who is Jason Momoa?
*49:45*
I love that they just edit him into scenes.
*49:47*
I really, I actually almost would love it if they pulled a George Lucas and went back.
*49:50*
Went back to Fast Five and just put Jason Momoa in the background.
*49:57*
Don't do that.
*50:02*
Oh, I I think it's so funny.
*50:03*
Like, I'm you know, not a genuinely I would love it if they did it.
*50:05*
I just think it's so goofy.
*50:08*
that when you go watch Fast Five, Jason Momoa is secretly lurking around.
*50:10*
I love that we open up back in Brazil.
*50:15*
It gives us
*50:18*
A little bit of you see Paul because they're able to reuse that footage and God, it feels so good to see him in a movie like this.
*50:19*
I know that was that was very uh
*50:25*
Not strange, I guess, but i I guess er it was strange.
*50:28*
I I don't know.
*50:32*
Like I was like, oh, I'm sitting down to watch a new Fast and Furious movie, and there's Paul Walker.
*50:33*
Um right.
*50:37*
But it it it felt it felt right.
*50:38*
It felt like to me it felt good.
*50:41*
And obviously five is my favorite, and you know I'm a sucker for like prequel-ish energy and
*50:44*
This is definitely that in the opening of this movie.
*50:51*
And the whole I love this idea of
*50:54*
I mean it's similar to the leap from six to seven, where Jason Statham is is coming for vengeance for what they did to Owen Shaw, but this kind of just feels a little bit
*50:59*
I don't know, father-son, that's obviously the angle to playing up with him stealing Lilby and stuff, but you know, Jason Momoa is introduced and he's just this crazy person.
*51:10*
And uh, I gotta know what you thought about uh oh my gosh, what's his name in this movie?
*51:20*
Dante Dante.
*51:28*
Dante.
*51:29*
What did you think of Dante?
*51:30*
I Okay, so I'll say this.
*51:32*
It it uh for starters.
*51:35*
Momoa's great.
*51:37*
He he
*51:38*
He just it's clear that they just were like, Yep, have fun, be cra your your character's kind of crazy, just uh very charismatic, go nuts.
*51:40*
Like it it it's so obvious that a lot of
*51:48*
his actions and just his general performance felt like it was um freestyle and it was he was just improving how he was behaving.
*51:51*
on the spot to some degree.
*52:01*
And so I really like that.
*52:02*
I will say it didn't necessarily, you know, always
*52:04*
Jive?
*52:10*
Where well his character is, you know, I'm out for revenge, I gotta kill Dominic Toreto, blah blah blah blah blah, but he's so like over he's almost he's almost like the Joker
*52:11*
of the fast universe.
*52:21*
My note, the very first note I wrote, Dante is fast joker.
*52:24*
Yeah, basically.
*52:29*
Like he's just like.
*52:30*
He's all over the place and he's crazy and he's he's not what you would I I guess expect from a typical, you know, you killed my father, prepared to die, you sort of thing.
*52:32*
Which maybe is better for the franchise, honestly
*52:42*
I think it fits.
*52:45*
I I definitely think it fits too, and it makes the tone a little bit more goofy.
*52:47*
It is, like I said, I think the biggest issue I have is that we have just slingshotted
*52:52*
from within the past couple movies from the main bad guy being crazy hacker woman who wants to take over nukes and nuke the world and get every movie and get the get the world leaders to bend to her will to now her being like
*52:57*
This is the devil.
*53:11*
Oh my gosh, the devil has come for me.
*53:12*
And then the devil in question.
*53:15*
The devil in question is just
*53:18*
Dude with knives who's kind of goofy.
*53:21*
Like I I I don't I don't know.
*53:25*
I that that that that's the difference for me.
*53:27*
It's very Joker in the way that
*53:30*
He does have like a a plan.
*53:32*
And granted, some of that is just saying, haha, you're exactly where I wanted you.
*53:34*
You know, like he intended to be kidnapped at one part.
*53:38*
It's very
*53:42*
I know saying this sounds very stupid, but it is very dark night.
*53:44*
Like the Joker in that movie has a plan, right?
*53:49*
To bring Gotham to its knees and to make Batman make decisions.
*53:52*
And that's great.
*53:57*
Christopher Nolan knocked it out of the park.
*53:58*
Dark Knight, one of the best.
*54:00*
But this is definitely like an interpretation of that style of villain adapted to the zaniness that is Fast and Furious.
*54:02*
And I'm not saying that Dante's plan is like, wow, this is great.
*54:11*
But there is something about him being, you know.
*54:15*
Who are you gonna save?
*54:20*
You know, your family's so big.
*54:22*
How do you choose?
*54:23*
And he blows up the guy from Fast, the Porsche guy from Fast Vive.
*54:25*
You know, but he does put Dominic in these situations that feel fitting for this universe, uh and he reacts in a way that I think
*54:30*
Someone who's very intelligent and smart, but also is just like a little has a few screws loose.
*54:43*
He's a loose cannon.
*54:49*
Yeah, he uh it feels
*54:51*
Fitting.
*54:55*
I don't know.
*54:56*
It feels It definitely fits in this world.
*54:56*
And I think he's the best villain that we've had since
*54:59*
probably when the rock was the you know uh a soft villain like he his energy is good that's not a high bard clear in fairness but I do agree I
*55:04*
I do agree with you for sure.
*55:16*
He's one of the better villains that we had.
*55:18*
And it's mainly just because he feels unique.
*55:21*
Like I said, it's obvious that
*55:23*
They just kind of let Jason Momoa go nuts, and that's probably the best direction he could have received.
*55:26*
I I I want to say this too, and this will kind of
*55:34*
tie uh take us away from Jason in our discussion of Dante and we can talk more about him throughout the episode.
*55:36*
But that one thing I do like about his performance in this is that it feels like he's not
*55:43*
And maybe I just don't know Jason Momoa as well compared to some of the other people in these movies.
*55:49*
But it feels like he is not just simply trying to play himself.
*55:56*
Um right.
*56:01*
One of my biggest problems with this movie is that Jacob is just John Cena now.
*56:03*
Yes.
*56:11*
Talk to me a little bit.
*56:13*
What?
*56:14*
Because you're you're way more familiar with wrestling.
*56:15*
You you definitely have a better grip on the street.
*56:18*
Oh yeah, he does he does his he does an attitude adjustment on a man
*56:20*
Which is his in-ring WWE finisher through the floor.
*56:24*
The guy that he tosses through the floor, that move he does.
*56:27*
He has him on his shoulders and then he flips him down onto the ground and he goes through the floor.
*56:34*
That's cool.
*56:38*
So that was his WWE move that he did, and I knew they were gonna have him do that.
*56:39*
I was thinking about this.
*56:43*
He feels like a very different Jacob from
*56:45*
F9.
*56:49*
Oh yeah.
*56:50*
He's just John Cena now.
*56:51*
He's just John Cena.
*56:53*
Like, and this is how Hobb this is kind of Hobbes how Hobbes devolved too.
*56:54*
Hobbes, I feel like, used to be
*56:58*
Hobbs was definitely yeah and then as as time went on he Hobbes just became Dwayne the Rock Johnson and it only took one movie for this to happen with Cena.
*57:00*
Where it's a big thing.
*57:11*
Jacob sells because they they kill him.
*57:12*
And I'm putting big quotes around that.
*57:16*
Yeah.
*57:18*
uh little bee at the start of the next one.
*57:22*
It just feels it does feel a little bit like whiplash for Jacob.
*57:25*
I do th I did like
*57:30*
All of the John Cena scenes with him and Lil B.
*57:32*
I did too, I didn't have a problem.
*57:35*
I really enjoyed them and his performance.
*57:36*
Uh
*57:39*
It was kind of refreshing.
*57:40*
But it was not Jacob.
*57:41*
Jacob was like brooding and like kind of uh hyper serious in the last movie.
*57:42*
Um there was no joking or real levity to his character whatsoever.
*57:50*
And that's because he was still in last time.
*57:55*
Yeah, I know, but then he shows up, but it that is just total whiplash because then he shows up this time and he's cracking jokes left and right and it's like
*57:57*
Bro, who is this?
*58:04*
This is not the guy that was in the last movie.
*58:06*
Um a guy that at one point wanted to
*58:08*
you know, kill his brother.
*58:12*
Now he's coming and he's like, hey, what's up, bro?
*58:13*
Your dad sent me to come save you.
*58:16*
What's up, little sis?
*58:19*
Uh
*58:21*
Yeah, it's it was strange.
*58:23*
I don't maybe because I'm not familiar with John Cena's work actually outside of
*58:25*
Fast and Furious?
*58:33*
What else would I have seen John Cena in?
*58:34*
Peacemaker?
*58:36*
And that was his other big thing right now.
*58:37*
I did watch, I did watch that iteration of Suicide Squad.
*58:39*
I did not watch Peacemaker.
*58:42*
Yeah, I mean he's just um I enjoyed it.
*58:44*
He was definitely the complete character rewrite.
*58:48*
Yeah, the in-ring version of Cena is a lot more
*58:53*
Uh like in in terms of like how he has in WWE, it was a lot more close to how Jacob is represented in this movie, you know.
*58:57*
Making jokes, even just the way he talked in this movie was like night and day compared to the last one.
*59:05*
Just his cadence of his lines and stuff like that.
*59:11*
It was very very strange.
*59:15*
And I I get that he was the villain in the last one.
*59:17*
And so, like you said, like he was supposed to be more dark and whatever.
*59:19*
But like there is
*59:24*
He's changed quite a bit.
*59:26*
I do want to say this though, quickly, and perhaps this explains why he has changed so much.
*59:28*
How many years did we skip between films?
*59:34*
Because this is a good question.
*59:38*
Will B is now that's right.
*59:40*
Like when he I mean, we're two movies removed from when he was a baby and Jason Statham's on a plane with him fighting everybody.
*59:43*
And he's like what this can't impossible.
*59:50*
That was fascinating.
*59:53*
The film is set two years after the event of F9.
*59:54*
He's 12 now.
*59:58*
So when what's the gap between 8 and 9?
*01:00:01*
Because he was a little baby in 8.
*01:00:03*
Oh, that's a good question.
*01:00:05*
So F.
*01:00:07*
That's what I'm saying.
*01:00:09*
And here's the here's the other thing.
*01:00:09*
I don't know if we want to talk about Lil B too because he's one of the new characters.
*01:00:10*
Well, first off
*01:00:14*
Why does his ethnicity keep changing every movie?
*01:00:16*
That's interesting.
*01:00:19*
Yeah.
*01:00:20*
I don't know if you every time you look at a picture of
*01:00:21*
Flashback Dominic Toreto, he's far more, I think, Hispanic looking than he does today.
*01:00:24*
Well his mother to
*01:00:29*
Two years is between eight and nine?
*01:00:32*
Allegedly.
*01:00:34*
So we've got little D who's now twelve years old, even though four years have passed.
*01:00:37*
Between eight and ten?
*01:00:43*
What is going on here?
*01:00:45*
Um Yeah, Lil B and Oh my gosh, I can't even comprehend it.
*01:00:47*
Well like like his age keeps changing, his ethnicity keeps changing, because his mom is
*01:00:52*
Uh his mom's Brazilian.
*01:00:57*
Alina's Brazilian, right?
*01:00:59*
And then Vin Diesel's Vin Diesel's mom, I looked this up actually because I was curious.
*01:01:01*
I was like, is there a way that they can explain how
*01:01:05*
Lil B is just a black kid in this movie because it doesn't make much sense.
*01:01:08*
And Vend Diesel's mom is white and his father, he doesn't know his biological father, but supposedly his father is of
*01:01:11*
Uh his father's basically.
*01:01:19*
You're talking about real life Vin Diesel.
*01:01:21*
Real life, yes, real life.
*01:01:22*
Okay.
*01:01:23*
Dom's mom is in the movie.
*01:01:25*
No, Vin Diesel's real mom is white.
*01:01:27*
But his uh dad, he doesn't really know his biological father, but his dad's of a different ethnicity.
*01:01:30*
He's not white.
*01:01:35*
Um, okay
*01:01:36*
But even if he was black I I I guess I don't know.
*01:01:38*
It it's not a huge deal, but again, Lil B keeps changing every move.
*01:01:41*
Yeah, yeah, it's it's just very bizarre um that all of this keeps changing with the
*01:01:46*
The time jump.
*01:01:51*
Apparently only every two years.
*01:01:52*
Yes.
*01:01:54*
Yeah.
*01:01:55*
Lil B's got uh solid snakes disease where he's rapidly aging here.
*01:01:55*
He's gonna be climbing through microwaves at the end of fast twelve trying to go fight Dante.
*01:02:02*
Um there's just yeah, it's I
*01:02:09*
Lil B is fine in the movie.
*01:02:13*
He he plays this kid role.
*01:02:15*
Okay.
*01:02:18*
Like he doesn't.
*01:02:18*
He's just he is a plot device to be starting.
*01:02:20*
I was gonna say he I was gonna say he there's really no standout
*01:02:22*
line or moment for him in the movie that I think about.
*01:02:25*
I fixed it, Uncle Jacob.
*01:02:29*
Like he is just there to service as a plot device and to be
*01:02:31*
you know, a tool for uh Dom more than anything.
*01:02:38*
Like even when even when he's jumping out of the car and jumping back into the car with Dom there, which is hilarious.
*01:02:44*
He's like, you gotta feel the line, son.
*01:02:53*
Also, jump out of these cars while I'm doing car foo.
*01:02:56*
Yeah, like that made that made no sense, but you know, okay, I'm fine with it
*01:03:00*
Lil Bean's character is I don't know.
*01:03:04*
I I'll just say this.
*01:03:06*
I don't like the renewed the emphasized
*01:03:08*
The emphasis on his character.
*01:03:13*
I wish he could go off and uh hang out with his cousins or whatever.
*01:03:15*
I wish he could go to Paul Walker's babysitting service.
*01:03:21*
Um, while his dad and the rest of the family are globe trotting.
*01:03:24*
Go hang out with Mia and Brian's kids and have Paul Walker babysit all of them because
*01:03:28*
Yeah, I don't know.
*01:03:36*
Like I I don't think little B's adding anything to these movies and you know that in eleven or twelve or twelve the heck he's gonna
*01:03:37*
end up driving one of the cars and saving the day or something or something.
*01:03:45*
He'll be a full grown or they'll be a full grown man by that point.
*01:03:49*
Yeah, or they're gonna do something dumb where, you know, Dom dies and is like, remember, it's
*01:03:53*
About family.
*01:03:59*
Live your life a quarter mile at a time, and then he dies.
*01:04:01*
So and then they'll make a new fast series centered around this
*01:04:06*
Lilby.
*01:04:11*
Brazilian, African American, white child whose ethnicity changes with every new installment, and then he'll be f age fifty.
*01:04:12*
By the time that series starts, because he's rapidly aging.
*01:04:22*
Um Here's the other thing.
*01:04:25*
Oh is it implied at the start of this movie that Dom and Letty are trying to have a child of their own?
*01:04:27*
Oh, there's no implication.
*01:04:32*
They're trying to have a baby.
*01:04:34*
But they're like f grab They're like fifty.
*01:04:36*
Lil B is twelve, which means there's been a
*01:04:41*
They were already in their late 30s at the end of one of the other ones.
*01:04:44*
Now Lil B is twelve.
*01:04:47*
They're each like they're superheroes.
*01:04:48*
They don't age.
*01:04:50*
They're each late forties or fifties and Dom's like, I gotta put a baby in this lady.
*01:04:51*
I'm like, wait, what?
*01:04:56*
Yeah, they're it's whatever.
*01:04:58*
And that will happen.
*01:05:01*
She will be pregnant.
*01:05:02*
Um honestly, she's probably pregnant right now in the in the cinematic universe.
*01:05:03*
She's is she's probably with child in Antarctica on a nuclear sub.
*01:05:08*
It's I mean it was a really quick kind of throwaway.
*01:05:12*
I went not throwaway, but it was just really quick like he like kissed your belly and said something like uh Is it in there?
*01:05:15*
Yeah, something something like that.
*01:05:22*
But then they did uh they didn't really they quickly
*01:05:23*
Started talking about other stuff and I was like, wait a minute.
*01:05:26*
Cypher shows up, yeah.
*01:05:28*
Dom's trying to put a baby in this lady.
*01:05:30*
They're like because Michelle Rodriguez is 45.
*01:05:31*
Okay, their real age has no, you know, they're probably But that's what I but that's what I was saying.
*01:05:36*
Their in-universe characters should be much older if their son is twelve.
*01:05:41*
So it doesn't make any sense.
*01:05:47*
It's stupid.
*01:05:49*
Anyway.
*01:05:50*
It's silly.
*01:05:50*
I wanted to use Lil' B jumping from car to car.
*01:05:51*
It's kind of a a segue, I think, for the set pieces in this movie.
*01:05:57*
Well, hold on.
*01:06:01*
I wanted to ask you one other thing about the characters.
*01:06:02*
There's one other person we haven't talked about.
*01:06:05*
Well, there's a couple other people we haven't talked about.
*01:06:07*
Yeah, but in particular, Mrs.
*01:06:09*
Nobody.
*01:06:12*
Uh hell yeah, Dre Larson, who was new to this film.
*01:06:13*
That's all right.
*01:06:19*
I uh I'll uh I'm tired of the nobodies.
*01:06:20*
The the just every every movie it's
*01:06:24*
Hi, I'm Mr.
*01:06:26*
Nobody.
*01:06:27*
And then the next movie, hi, I'm Lil' Nobody.
*01:06:28*
And this movie, hello, I'm Mrs.
*01:06:30*
Nobody.
*01:06:31*
It's like, okay, we're gonna we gotta stop here.
*01:06:32*
Alright, so I like Kurt Russell.
*01:06:35*
Right.
*01:06:38*
I like the Kurt Russell character.
*01:06:38*
Yeah.
*01:06:39*
He's just in charge of this
*01:06:40*
mysterious organization that could clearly do anything anywhere.
*01:06:41*
The agency.
*01:06:44*
The agency.
*01:06:45*
That's fine.
*01:06:46*
And then Lil Nobody was the butt of the joke, right?
*01:06:48*
He was like the trainee.
*01:06:51*
He's not actually related.
*01:06:53*
As far as the case of the case, but then he's ki Yeah, yes.
*01:06:55*
But then he's kind of, you know, they mention him a lot throughout this movie, or maybe not a lot, but enough times.
*01:06:58*
But then this struck me as just
*01:07:03*
unnecessary because Bree Larson is apparently playing the actual daughter of Mr.
*01:07:06*
Nobody.
*01:07:13*
Um so it's like we really are just emphasizing the family, family, family, family, family.
*01:07:14*
She doesn't do very much in this movie either, I don't feel like.
*01:07:19*
Like for for how much they focused on her, she really doesn't do anything.
*01:07:21*
She pushes back against the agency, sending everybody after Don, which you then find out is only put on because
*01:07:26*
Dante and his dad have corrupted a man going back ten or twenty years.
*01:07:33*
Which is just was a really, really stupid twist.
*01:07:40*
I think it would have just been better if
*01:07:43*
It would have been as simple as like the other the guy who runs the agency just doesn't like Dom and just want to take Dom down or you know, Dante had paid him off.
*01:07:46*
They didn't need to do this twenty years ago, my father.
*01:07:55*
It's like why is what?
*01:08:02*
Okay.
*01:08:03*
Why is the why is he still working for the son of a Brazilian drug lord or whatever?
*01:08:05*
Okay, sure.
*01:08:10*
Um it's just kind of goofy.
*01:08:12*
Very goofy.
*01:08:14*
But yeah, Bree Larson was not Bri uh to Bree Larson specifically.
*01:08:15*
She's not in this movie very much.
*01:08:19*
She didn't do as much as I thought for how much they kind of emphasized her being in it.
*01:08:21*
She talks a dominacine.
*01:08:25*
She kind of initiates uh Letty getting freed, and then
*01:08:27*
She shows up there at the at the end and then Vin saves her.
*01:08:34*
And that's about it.
*01:08:38*
She's really not in it.
*01:08:39*
Yeah, she serves
*01:08:41*
She's kind of somewhat up It's when you zoom out and you look at the whole thing, you see where her character fits in this cog of Dante's plan, right?
*01:08:44*
Because Ames works for with or for Dante.
*01:08:58*
So, you know, they're manipulating her.
*01:09:03*
She steals God's eye, which then
*01:09:06*
Dante steals at the bridge.
*01:09:08*
Like that's the whole thing, which is how they get Lil B.
*01:09:10*
So like you see all these little pieces that's kind of the dominoes.
*01:09:14*
It's like you push one little
*01:09:17*
You know, Dom says he'll have a Belgian ale as the small domino, and the big domino is uh Lil B is stolen and in trouble at a dam.
*01:09:19*
And but you know, knocking it over is
*01:09:27*
Is Mrs.
*01:09:30*
Nobody or um is that what they call her?
*01:09:31*
They call it her name is Tess.
*01:09:35*
That is her character's name.
*01:09:37*
Tess.
*01:09:38*
But they do kind of call her
*01:09:38*
Uh I think somebody does refer to her as Mrs.
*01:09:41*
Nobody, actually.
*01:09:43*
But uh Miss Nobody.
*01:09:44*
Tess just kind of carries God's eye from one place to another.
*01:09:49*
Um and God's eye just kind of tails into cur.
*01:09:54*
Godseye is a thing we cannot escape.
*01:09:58*
Yeah, God's eye just continues to be this thing that is ever present in this universe, and I wish they would have never implemented because anytime they need to explain
*01:10:00*
something with it's just yeah any it's just this broad tool that is used to forward the plot constantly
*01:10:11*
Um and it gets a little tiresome how much it's been implemented in the past because it was introduced I want to say in seven, I think.
*01:10:22*
Um so yeah, it's just been
*01:10:31*
Little bit too heavily implemented.
*01:10:35*
Yeah, I wish God's eye would go away.
*01:10:37*
Let me say this real quick and then we'll talk about the stunts because I know we're moving in that direction.
*01:10:39*
Quick, very quick shout out to Cypher, who finally has good hair in this film.
*01:10:44*
Yes, a respectable haircut.
*01:10:52*
This is her best haircut.
*01:10:55*
We finally have a normal ish haircut for Cypher and Charleese in this movie.
*01:10:56*
Um also did not know that she knows
*01:11:02*
Kung Fu and can take down 20 dudes.
*01:11:05*
Also, not really sure how she didn't get shot af with thousands of bullets being fired her way in that fight scene she was in at the start of the movie, but you know
*01:11:08*
She's got good hair now at least.
*01:11:20*
She does.
*01:11:22*
She finally has decent hair.
*01:11:23*
Let actually a
*01:11:25*
I want to use that fight as I think kind of the starting off point for the stunts, which is from an action perspective in this movie
*01:11:27*
Uh, my biggest kind of bummer thumbs down thing is there is a lot of hand-to-hand combat in this movie.
*01:11:38*
I think too much for a Fast and Furious movie.
*01:11:47*
I feel like anytime there was a big moment, it ended up with fists instead of cars.
*01:11:51*
If you know what I mean.
*01:11:58*
Yeah.
*01:12:00*
You didn't like Roman and Tej fighting there in front of Pete Davidson?
*01:12:00*
Okay.
*01:12:04*
First of all, why is Pete Davidson there to begin with?
*01:12:05*
And the two of them fighting is funny because
*01:12:08*
that's their characters' roles is to play off each other like that.
*01:12:11*
Yeah.
*01:12:15*
But I just it's every
*01:12:15*
There's always some sort of fist fight, whether it's Michelle Rodriguez and Cypher or um, you know, Jason Statham and Hahn fighting, and then the those bad guys come in.
*01:12:19*
You've got Bree Larson doing a little bit of that.
*01:12:30*
It's all hand to hand combat.
*01:12:34*
Even it doesn't Ames.
*01:12:38*
Ames comes in at a point with some hand to hand, like in the streets of Brazil there.
*01:12:39*
It's I there's an over I think an overemphasis on fighting with your fists instead of with the
*01:12:45*
Car?
*01:12:53*
Well then I was gonna say too, not only hand-to-hand combat, but uh shooting and stuff.
*01:12:53*
Like I think of the final bridge set piece there where they go back to the bridge for the fast five.
*01:12:58*
And it's just a big shootout.
*01:13:03*
It's like, okay, this is kinda And there's only one little use there where he blows it up with a a rock and the gas paddle and the tank leaking it.
*01:13:05*
And stuff.
*01:13:13*
I just kind of when I think back to the hundred and ninety-two people associated with stunts, I feel like most of that was s focused on
*01:13:16*
Fighting rather than big car set pieces that this series really is known for.
*01:13:28*
Looking it's
*01:13:36*
You know, I wrote down the set pieces as Rome.
*01:13:38*
Obviously, this Rome chase, which we'll talk about.
*01:13:41*
I had a plane chase.
*01:13:45*
There's a plane chase in this movie apparently at some point.
*01:13:46*
There's the bridge shootout.
*01:13:49*
There's the race, the street race in Brazil.
*01:13:52*
Um, I guess plane chase would have been like the the helicopters and the plane stuff at the end of the movie.
*01:13:55*
Mm-hmm
*01:14:02*
But that's kind of it.
*01:14:03*
I guess driving down the dam, but I associate that more with the end as well.
*01:14:04*
It's there's no distinct standout.
*01:14:08*
Yeah, there's no big s I I was expecting them to build towards a big set piece too, 'cause that's, you know, how these movies have usually gone in the past.
*01:14:11*
Like we're building towards the heist and we're gonna pull the safe out and drag it through the streets, or we're we're building toward this uh
*01:14:17*
airplane or it's just like the different things like that.
*01:14:24*
Um and that's not really here.
*01:14:27*
Um and yeah I I
*01:14:31*
I don't know.
*01:14:34*
The the ones that are included too, I don't know if we want to break them down piece by piece or and I'm sure we'll talk about this more.
*01:14:35*
As we get into this.
*01:14:42*
But the other big disappointing thing is like not only are these set pieces not as interesting as they have been in previous films, but there is a major
*01:14:43*
uh perhaps more than ever uh focus on CGI.
*01:14:54*
Like this is something that we've seen creeping in more and more within the past couple of movies
*01:15:00*
But it was more blatantly obvious here than I think ever.
*01:15:06*
The number of
*01:15:12*
Real sequences with actual cars in it.
*01:15:15*
I I can't think of it.
*01:15:19*
Or cars doing real things.
*01:15:20*
Yeah, real stunts with r cars.
*01:15:23*
Like I cannot think of anything off the top of
*01:15:25*
my head to be maybe the street race maybe but even that and granted there are two explosions in that scene which again the explosions could have been real I
*01:15:29*
I didn't have access I don't own it on um you know on disc or digitally so I wasn't able to really dig into the behind the scenes um
*01:15:41*
So I'm not sure, you know, where they were using real stuff and not, but certainly not, you know, with the car fu at the end where Dom uses two helicopters to crash into
*01:15:50*
Dante's car perfectly timed and catch his son.
*01:16:02*
Or driving down a dam, or you know, chasing a giant bowling ball through Rome on the way to the Vatican.
*01:16:06*
None of that's real.
*01:16:15*
And yes.
*01:16:17*
Especially when this movie opens with one of the best practical stunts
*01:16:19*
In this franchise for sure, and I think one of the best just in blockbusters in Hollywood is with the the safe.
*01:16:28*
That shot that's so good they used it twice.
*01:16:36*
Where it's rolling out of the police station, that's all real.
*01:16:38*
And it just makes the and I just think the CG just doesn't look as good.
*01:16:43*
No, it doesn't.
*01:16:48*
There were a couple the bomb and especially once it caught on fire, I thought looked really terrible.
*01:16:49*
Um the there's a s there's a part where Dom's chasing
*01:16:57*
the bomb and he's driving down the stairs.
*01:17:03*
That whole part looked tr really terrible.
*01:17:06*
Um obviously he launches himself off the bridge.
*01:17:10*
It just
*01:17:13*
That whole sequence was really ruined for me, and I know they can't let loose a giant five-ton wrecking ball through the streets or whatever.
*01:17:14*
Yeah, like I I'm not
*01:17:24*
I get it.
*01:17:26*
Like I understand why the CG is being used, but at the same time, there is such a history within this series of practical stunts dating back to
*01:17:26*
Very first movie, and it they really stuck with it for a very, very long time.
*01:17:37*
Even stuff that we were surpr at least I was certainly surprised to see was practical.
*01:17:41*
I think of the
*01:17:46*
the bus stuff in um Furious Seven, you know, they really drove a bus off a cliff and had it crash and had guys hanging from a bus off the edge of a cliff.
*01:17:47*
Now, granted that wasn't Paul Walker and it was much safer than
*01:17:58*
you know, the movie makes it out to be, but they even had cars come in down on zip lines, you know, like on these so and bounce on the ground and stuff.
*01:18:02*
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
*01:18:11*
But this is
*01:18:12*
Here's a b a bowling ball.
*01:18:13*
We're just gonna roll it through Rome.
*01:18:15*
Even even in F9, the
*01:18:19*
The truck driving through at the end that was pushing all the you know, pushing everything out of the way, that was practical to a degree.
*01:18:22*
It just this felt devoid of practicality.
*01:18:28*
Yeah, and I think that contributed to why I said at the top that I found this movie to be far more boring than the past.
*01:18:33*
uh installments was just because even the thing that even in the past movies where you know we've had issues with the stories or the characters or whatever, like these movies are far from perfect.
*01:18:41*
I think the things that would always keep me gripped in uh
*01:18:51*
tied to the screen was the big crazy uh sequences that they would come up with.
*01:18:56*
And this time around I found them to be uh greatly uninteresting compared to to the past.
*01:19:01*
So it's
*01:19:08*
I don't know.
*01:19:10*
They really need to.
*01:19:11*
They they I I w I'm I I wonder too how much it costs CG-wise for them to make these sequences.
*01:19:13*
Like I wonder if that's what bloated the movies
*01:19:20*
cost this time around.
*01:19:24*
Obviously the economy sucks and the economy's bad and everything's more expensive and just general inflation like these movies are going to cost more to make now than they did ten years ago.
*01:19:25*
Um but I do wonder what the trade-off is between uh creating a practical set and shooting real stunts with the the vehicles compared to just mapping something out and doing it
*01:19:35*
um with computer graphics and visuals and stuff like that.
*01:19:48*
Yeah.
*01:19:52*
It's it wasn't um it wasn't very
*01:19:52*
satisfying, especially as a fan of, you know, the practical stuff and seeing real things happen and
*01:19:59*
This the big moments, you know, it's it it it felt the absence was felt.
*01:20:07*
I I will say this.
*01:20:14*
Uh despite bashing the CG
*01:20:16*
Or just not being a general fan of it.
*01:20:20*
The final damn sequence is hilarious.
*01:20:23*
It looks ter it looks terrible.
*01:20:26*
But it's hilarious.
*01:20:29*
Yeah, it's a good it's a good memeable kind of Yes.
*01:20:30*
Like it was it was one it was probably my favorite part of the movie.
*01:20:35*
Yeah.
*01:20:39*
In terms of the car craziness stuff, the car fu or whatever, even though there's no actual car foo.
*01:20:40*
Anything tied to cars and vehicles that happen in the movie.
*01:20:47*
That was my favorite part.
*01:20:49*
Sure.
*01:20:51*
Just because it's so classic.
*01:20:51*
Fast and furious, like what the heck are they doing here?
*01:20:55*
Um Yeah, how does he survive this?
*01:20:58*
It's Yes.
*01:21:00*
And not only that too, I I wanted uh I wrote down
*01:21:02*
uh with the Rome Chase sequence, like how is Dom's car still drivable after all of this?
*01:21:06*
Because he is
*01:21:14*
Getting wrecked into and bounced into and driving downstairs and getting blasted and then he launches himself off a bridge and crashes directly into a
*01:21:15*
He he launches himself off a bridge, blasts into a crane.
*01:21:24*
A crane, his car then smashes into a wall, and then drops on the ground and crashes into the ground, and then he just drives off.
*01:21:28*
Yeah, it's really.
*01:21:35*
The the Rome chase specifically kind of felt like where all the
*01:21:42*
focus was as far as a big set piece.
*01:21:48*
It felt like the biggest set piece in the movie.
*01:21:50*
There's multiple chases.
*01:21:53*
It was kind of the early first thing and definitely was early in all the footage.
*01:21:55*
There's a big cooldown after that too because then they introduce characters.
*01:21:59*
Oh, this is this is Mrs.
*01:22:03*
Nobody and this is Ames and this is oh the agency is after uh Oh now you guys are the most wanted people in the world again.
*01:22:05*
Which I found to be
*01:22:12*
strange that uh the the funniest thing to me, not the funniest overall, but one thing that I found silly is that when we finally pick up with
*01:22:14*
Jacob or not Jacob with Lil B and Mia, they're just chilling out at home, playing games, playing Hot Wheels.
*01:22:25*
I'm like, your brother's the most wanted person on earth
*01:22:34*
Vin or Dom got in contact with Jacob and was like, protect my son, why wouldn't he reach out to his sister as well and be like, you gotta hide, run?
*01:22:38*
Instead they're like, oh yeah, let's face some Hot Wheels racing here.
*01:22:48*
It's so weird.
*01:22:52*
I will I did want to say this, I want to make sure I said this about Rome specifically.
*01:22:53*
A couple of things.
*01:22:58*
On the practical side, from a cinematography perspective, I noticed a few drone shots, specifically using drones to follow cars and chases and do some really cool maneuvers.
*01:22:59*
Yeah.
*01:23:11*
I really
*01:23:12*
I really love seeing Hollywood use drones in footage.
*01:23:13*
I think kind of the example that blew my mind and really showed me the potential is uh
*01:23:18*
Michael Bay's ambulance, which is just drone car chase footage all day, and signature Michael Bay, you know, behem explosions and things
*01:23:25*
Like that, it's great.
*01:23:35*
If you want awesome drone work, that's the prime example.
*01:23:36*
And it was cool to see that used in Fast and Furious, and I hope they continue to do that.
*01:23:41*
Conveys real speed, creative shots, can really do cool stuff in chases and explosions and things like that.
*01:23:45*
And then I also felt I mean this had to be intentional.
*01:23:52*
But the whole Rome chase felt very reminiscent of Brazil.
*01:23:57*
Yes, I felt the same way.
*01:24:04*
It had to be designed that way.
*01:24:06*
It's a big metal object.
*01:24:07*
Going through a city destroying things.
*01:24:09*
Dom is in the modern version of that same car, uh, you know, using the car to hit other.
*01:24:12*
There's even a few shots where he like rams the put the police cars out of the way.
*01:24:18*
It's
*01:24:22*
It's essentially the same chase, just moved over to Rome and with some more zany stuff going on.
*01:24:22*
So I thought that was at least cool to see that they were thinking how do we tie this more to
*01:24:29*
Fast five because it that's so integral to this the plot of this film.
*01:24:36*
So I appreciated that.
*01:24:39*
Um and I like the drone footage and stuff.
*01:24:41*
But after that, it gets really
*01:24:44*
Goofy and not in a not in a fun or it's fun, but not in the way that, you know, I would prefer Fast and Furious to go.
*01:24:48*
Yeah, I I mean outside of that sequence too, like we were we're talking that that's kind of the main one in the movie.
*01:24:58*
Other than that, there's the uh drag racing sequence, which I did not
*01:25:04*
Enjoy because it's not really drag racing, it's just Dante laughing like the Joker, going, ah ha ha ha, I put bombs on all your cars, which you knew he did.
*01:25:09*
And so then it's like, okay, this isn't even really a
*01:25:18*
drag racing scene?
*01:25:20*
A throwback classic drag racing scene like you'd expect from one of these movies?
*01:25:22*
They were trying so hard, right?
*01:25:26*
They were trying to elicit that
*01:25:28*
old fast and furious feeling, and I actually I really enjoyed the whole build-up to that race.
*01:25:30*
Dante's entrance is just so good
*01:25:37*
with his arms out and all the guns around him.
*01:25:41*
He looks like um like Shiva, I think is the name of that um Indian god or goddess.
*01:25:44*
You know, just the multi-arm creature.
*01:25:50*
But then you've got the streets back in Dominic Toreto.
*01:25:52*
Yeah, it's cool to see that in very much, you know, this is Brazil.
*01:25:56*
kind of energy and then it it it's just a straight line, straight line race, and two of the cars blow up.
*01:26:01*
So there's not even really a like, you know, And you really always kind of knew that that was gonna happen.
*01:26:08*
Yeah.
*01:26:13*
So it's like, oh, he's a good thing.
*01:26:13*
Like, look back at uh I think it's F8.
*01:26:18*
Yeah, Fate of the Furious, that opening race, you know, where his little his cousin
*01:26:21*
May you know, owed a car or whatever, and Dom drove it and blew it up with the pop can.
*01:26:27*
And like that's a better way to capture, I think, that old spirit with with the modern flavor.
*01:26:32*
And I they kind of they just missed it here.
*01:26:39*
Uh I want them to keep pursuing that.
*01:26:42*
I want street r uh a street race, you know, I want that
*01:26:44*
Still to be a part of the DNA going forward, but you gotta actually make it a race and not just uh uh
*01:26:49*
uh a reason for more explosions.
*01:26:57*
Like I want some real driving stakes.
*01:27:00*
And I it's hard to do that when the series is so different, but I feel like they can figure it out.
*01:27:03*
I agree with you.
*01:27:11*
Um I the the talk speaking of the drag race, real quick, and we'll go back to the other um stunts here in a moment, but
*01:27:13*
What did you think about the introduction of I didn't get her name, but Elena's sister showing up.
*01:27:22*
I called this months ago.
*01:27:31*
I'm glad you remembered I called this, because when we first saw that trailer
*01:27:33*
And one of the ch first trailers for this movie ended showing a drag race, and there was Dante and Vin and somebody else, and then the girl.
*01:27:36*
The guy, the Porsche guy from Fast Five.
*01:27:45*
Yeah, and then there's and then there's the girl.
*01:27:47*
And we knew they were in Brazil in this sequence, or that we we at least had a pretty good idea that they were.
*01:27:50*
I was like, oh, that's gonna be Elena's sister.
*01:27:55*
Watch.
*01:27:57*
I totally called it as soon as it happened.
*01:27:59*
Yeah.
*01:28:01*
Because I said they gotta introduce a new new family member here.
*01:28:01*
Watch.
*01:28:05*
It's not
*01:28:06*
you know, the worst.
*01:28:08*
It's she's like as a character, you know, Lil B's got a new aunt, the family grows.
*01:28:09*
But it's
*01:28:17*
You know, she didn't I I'm curious to see how she'll integrate f going forward.
*01:28:19*
You know, what is she going to bring to the table?
*01:28:23*
From uh a plot and character and action perspective.
*01:28:27*
And I'm gonna guess not much.
*01:28:30*
That would be my honest guess.
*01:28:32*
Because even Elena was a kind of a big character in these movies for a bit, and she didn't even bring that much to the table.
*01:28:34*
So I have a feeling
*01:28:39*
that her sister is not gonna do anything different in that regard.
*01:28:41*
Um but I did just want to point that out because I I totally called that like six or eight months ago when we saw that trailer.
*01:28:44*
I was like, oh yep, the watch a later sister
*01:28:50*
So I could be a script writer.
*01:28:54*
Let me do it, Justin Lynn.
*01:28:56*
I feel like you and I could write a fast and furious movie.
*01:28:58*
I feel like I mean it's not that it's not that hard.
*01:29:01*
You just gotta put
*01:29:03*
family in there a lot in the script.
*01:29:04*
Family.
*01:29:07*
Family.
*01:29:08*
Family.
*01:29:09*
Family.
*01:29:10*
Uh were there any other big
*01:29:12*
like set pieces that I'm not thinking of.
*01:29:14*
I mean we've talked about the kind of the ending with uh a little bit like Dom dropping out of the sky and the rocket car and
*01:29:16*
uh the helicopters and him slingshotting the helicopters around it once again like he did with the safes.
*01:29:24*
Again, kind of another callback to Fast Five with him slinging the safe around.
*01:29:31*
This time he's slinging helicopters around.
*01:29:35*
Like a lot of
*01:29:37*
Yes, a lot of their ideas in this movie clearly stemmed from Fast V.
*01:29:39*
I'm okay with that, you know.
*01:29:45*
I mean, I know that's your favorite.
*01:29:47*
Yeah.
*01:29:48*
Drawing inspiration from the best.
*01:29:49*
And it's so
*01:29:50*
You know, Justin Lynn was gonna direct this and he wrote this.
*01:29:51*
I feel and while that wasn't his first Fast and Furious movie.
*01:29:55*
I feel like he was he wanted to go back to it.
*01:30:00*
And I so I think that was clearly.
*01:30:03*
And that's just kind of ingrained in the the early concepts of this
*01:30:05*
Story, and I wonder how much of this is difficult to change after a certain point.
*01:30:10*
You know, it's like we've got this budget, we've talked to the Roman government, Brazil.
*01:30:16*
We're getting ready to film in all these places.
*01:30:22*
Like, how do you you can't change it that much, I can't imagine.
*01:30:24*
So I want to see where they go forward, but
*01:30:28*
Really, that's kind of it as far as major set pieces.
*01:30:32*
And that's the I think the big bummer.
*01:30:35*
Yeah, and not only that, but um we haven't talked about them a whole lot.
*01:30:38*
But I will I did I would like to specifically call out that uh we talked previously about how Dom needs somebody to bounce off of
*01:30:42*
The one kind of group that they kept intact here and together, which has kind of been the format for a lot of these previous movies, has been, you know, Romantez, Ramsey.
*01:30:50*
And I feel like they fell super flat this time too.
*01:31:00*
Like incredibly like the we've gone from the last movie having them go to space and that be funny.
*01:31:04*
Like they're they're always sort of the comic relief portion of the movie.
*01:31:11*
Um and I think that works well.
*01:31:15*
But again, Devoid they just it felt like they didn't have anything to do.
*01:31:17*
They were just sort of on the run.
*01:31:22*
Trying to I I really don't know what their arc was in this movie.
*01:31:24*
They got separated from Dom and then they were trying to get back with him, and then when they finally get near him at the end, they get shot down by a bazooka.
*01:31:27*
Um
*01:31:37*
I don't know.
*01:31:38*
And you you know there's got kind of the arc there of Roman and old.
*01:31:39*
That's what I was gonna say.
*01:31:42*
I want to be the leader.
*01:31:43*
Try to have him have a serious arc.
*01:31:44*
But it doesn't work.
*01:31:46*
It feels so forced, you know, like there's no I mean
*01:31:48*
It's just again, yeah, very forced with him.
*01:31:54*
Oh, I'm not I'm not a good leader, blah blah blah blah blah and his no man, you are a good leader, blah, blah, b
*01:31:56*
It's like okay okay.
*01:32:03*
Yeah.
*01:32:07*
It's I appreciate the effort.
*01:32:08*
You know, Roman is I think besides Vin
*01:32:11*
The Roman and Tez was in the movie too.
*01:32:17*
But you know, they're some of the longest running cast members in this franchise.
*01:32:21*
And you know, how do you make them different, right?
*01:32:27*
You know, how do we elevate the character and help them grow?
*01:32:29*
And I appreciate them at least trying to make
*01:32:34*
Roman have a bit more of a serious arc.
*01:32:38*
It feels like that makes sense, you know, ten movies in for him, but
*01:32:40*
Um, it just kind of felt a little flat.
*01:32:47*
And I feel like like I feel like that leader line, like nah man, sounds like a leader to me.
*01:32:50*
I feel like that would have
*01:32:56*
f meant more if it came from Vin.
*01:32:58*
Yeah.
*01:33:03*
And Brian obviously isn't there.
*01:33:04*
Really it would have meant the most coming from Brian, right?
*01:33:06*
Bar they grew up in Barstow and all that stuff.
*01:33:09*
Like that really obviously we that can't happen.
*01:33:12*
So I feel like having Dom do it would have been the next best thing, but the keeping the people divided, it's
*01:33:15*
V Fast and Furious is all about family, right?
*01:33:23*
And it just doesn't work when the family's not together.
*01:33:26*
Yes.
*01:33:29*
And that's the big bummer, I think, that this movie has being designed as a multi-parter.
*01:33:31*
I wanna I wanna ask you, we've kind of talked about, I think, everything here, we're nearing the
*01:33:37*
Natural end of this one, but how do you think the next movie starts?
*01:33:43*
Since this is our first real cliffhanger movie I think we've ever had in this series.
*01:33:46*
How is is is Dom gonna die?
*01:33:51*
Is he gonna get washed away down the river?
*01:33:53*
God, that'd be nuts.
*01:33:55*
Um Okay, so to be clear
*01:33:57*
By next movie, you just mean Fast and Furious 11, because Yeah, the Hobbs movie is next, which we're gonna have to pick up here where Dom is on the riverbed about to get blown up.
*01:34:00*
So
*01:34:11*
So that one.
*01:34:13*
I Are they setting it up to where Hobbes is going to be the one to save him?
*01:34:14*
Because it seemed like the end of the movie is actually a f the the end is what I'm talking about with Hobbes is actually a flashback.
*01:34:18*
Because certainly it doesn't doesn't mean it's happening in real time, right?
*01:34:28*
Like it it happened previously.
*01:34:32*
I imagine that Dante doesn't
*01:34:34*
Initiate the bombs to blow up and then walks off screen and calls Hobbs and is like, hey, I'm gonna I'm coming for ya or whatever.
*01:34:36*
I will you know, we'll t I well let's talk about that really just really quick
*01:34:44*
Uh makes total sense.
*01:34:49*
Like I love that Dante wants both Vin and Hobbs.
*01:34:52*
Yeah.
*01:34:56*
For this, it makes perfect sense, and I'm really excited to see
*01:34:56*
Hobbes go up against this kind of Joker like figure.
*01:35:01*
So that'll be fun and cool.
*01:35:04*
And apparently this Hobbs solo movie that was announced shortly after this movie came out.
*01:35:06*
Uh it was kind of gonna be the bridge between part one and part two here, which sure, whatever.
*01:35:11*
Uh that means that movie's gotta come out.
*01:35:17*
Next year?
*01:35:22*
Well, I mean it's important.
*01:35:24*
Fast and Furious Eleven is currently slated for April 4th.
*01:35:28*
Sir the whole Sir Sir W.
*01:35:31*
Strike.
*01:35:33*
Yes.
*01:35:34*
That's what I was gonna say.
*01:35:34*
We're in the middle of a strike, so literally nothing is happening right now.
*01:35:35*
Yeah.
*01:35:39*
So I
*01:35:40*
Still, it needs to come out before Fast and Furious 11.
*01:35:41*
So let's just say everything's pushed let's be generous, say a year.
*01:35:45*
So that means Hobbes is out in 24 and
*01:35:50*
Or I'm sorry.
*01:35:54*
Twenty-five and then eleven's out in twenty-six.
*01:35:55*
Yeah, so I'm reading it here.
*01:35:58*
The next movie is indeed Hobbs, which will set up Fast X Part 2.
*01:35:59*
That cannot be they will have a better name than that.
*01:36:03*
That's just what they're calling it right now.
*01:36:07*
Yeah.
*01:36:08*
Um and then I think there's is there one more after that or was or is the Stolo Hobbs movie the one that was tacked?
*01:36:09*
No.
*01:36:15*
I feel like that's what
*01:36:19*
Well, I'm wondering if the third parter is the Hob Solo movie.
*01:36:20*
Like this maybe.
*01:36:25*
Let's we'll sure we'll be generous and say we only have to go through two more of these.
*01:36:27*
I assume there's Diesel Vin Diesel has previously said that Fast X Part 2 would be out in 2025, but obviously
*01:36:31*
Those plans may be up in the air.
*01:36:39*
Well, the thing with that, I don't think they would be filming that now anyway.
*01:36:41*
So as long as they're not sure if you're Yeah, as long as they've and people are still
*01:36:45*
Well, actually I don't know because I guess the writers are on strike.
*01:36:50*
I was gonna say probab somebody's probably working on the script for that.
*01:36:52*
I mean there's there's ideas, I'm sure.
*01:36:56*
They can probably get moving on this pretty quickly once the strike ends, I'm gonna guess.
*01:36:58*
Yeah.
*01:37:05*
Not too hard to write.
*01:37:05*
Um yeah, so uh where do we pick up in in Fast and Furious Eleven?
*01:37:07*
We're gonna pick up and in the first opening shot we're gonna return to to Dom and Lil B.
*01:37:13*
Lil B will now be seventeen years old.
*01:37:19*
Um he'll have been standing on that mustache on the on that riverbed for five years.
*01:37:21*
Waiting for it to blow up.
*01:37:27*
Um Yeah, so I t I like I liked your idea that that Hobbs
*01:37:29*
swoops in.
*01:37:36*
That's probably what it'll be.
*01:37:37*
I don't know how, but he will.
*01:37:39*
That makes sense because it's i you either start off right at the dam
*01:37:42*
in the explosion and everyone's getting saved.
*01:37:46*
Or you have some sort of slow build-up to it, some sort of flashback, some sort of intimate moment, right?
*01:37:48*
And then and then it f it comes into the the world, the waves crashing down on them.
*01:37:54*
And someone saves them, you know, this family.
*01:38:00*
Heck, maybe it's a flashback scene between Hobbes and Dom, you know, some sort of brotherly moment
*01:38:02*
And then you know, I'll be there whenever you need me.
*01:38:08*
Well, this is my other big question here is maybe Jacob comes out
*01:38:11*
Jake, I mean Jacob will be back.
*01:38:18*
We have to have a scene.
*01:38:20*
I would imagine we have to have a scene where all three big muscle boys are on screen at the same time with Vin, Cena, and the rock.
*01:38:21*
Oh, that has to happen, but you also have to get Jason Statham in the mix and Jason Momoa.
*01:38:30*
Like just have everyone on screen.
*01:38:34*
I mean just the post-credit scene, Momoa is gonna have to be in the Hobbs solo film, right?
*01:38:41*
Like a lot of people.
*01:38:46*
Oh yes, yeah, yeah, yeah.
*01:38:47*
It's uh it is between I believe it is between Dante and and Hobb
*01:38:48*
Is kind of that plot.
*01:38:53*
Okay, so that's one.
*01:38:55*
Two, um here's the main thing I want moving forward, and particularly with Momoa.
*01:38:57*
I am really
*01:39:04*
sick of this trend of villains becoming family members.
*01:39:07*
And they have even outright they have well
*01:39:12*
You would also think the same thing with um Cypher.
*01:39:17*
And they kind of are doing that.
*01:39:21*
Like not they haven't like
*01:39:23*
formally done it or whatever, you know, but like she's on their side now because like she says, like enemy of my enemy.
*01:39:26*
So like she's kind of she's a family now.
*01:39:35*
She's at a barbecue.
*01:39:39*
She's family, so yeah, that's the that's the that's the coronation for sure.
*01:39:40*
Um they gotta she's gotta say Grace
*01:39:45*
Yes, this this has been an ongoing trend in all of these movies.
*01:39:48*
Like Hobbes is introduced as the bad guy, then he becomes an ally.
*01:39:52*
Shaw's introduces a bad guy, then he becomes an ally.
*01:39:55*
uh Jacob's introduced as uh is a villain then he becomes a good guy now they're doing it with cypher like just with this trajectory like Momoa it's gonna be the same thing with Momoa here
*01:39:59*
And I don't want that.
*01:40:10*
Just keep him to the end as a bad guy.
*01:40:11*
I think the hope is is it is a two-parter
*01:40:14*
So there's gotta be some consistency, right?
*01:40:18*
Like the villains gotta be the same and the business their business isn't done
*01:40:21*
Well, this is what I was gonna say, and this is my fear, is that um so we talked about how there it's a three-parter now.
*01:40:26*
We don't know specifically if when Vin said it's a three-parter, if he was referring to the Hobbes movie or if he's uh referring to, you know
*01:40:32*
Fast X part three or something like that.
*01:40:40*
I I don't really know.
*01:40:43*
I don't know if he's clarified.
*01:40:44*
But if there is a third mainline fast movie, like let's say, so Hobbs Solo movie, Fast Eleven, and then they end on Fast Twelve
*01:40:45*
I really hope Fast Twelve is not like an instance where it's like, a new threat has emerged and it's all hands on deck for everybody, and then
*01:40:54*
Mamoa has to team up with Cypher and the rest of the family and they all have to face a new bad guy.
*01:41:03*
It's like, you know, like just
*01:41:09*
Let's just have it let's just have it end, you know.
*01:41:12*
We can have Dom and Letty have a child.
*01:41:16*
It can grow up real fast just like Lil' B, and then we'll start the new because you know that's what they're gonna do.
*01:41:20*
They're gonna start the new fast series and it's gonna be centered around
*01:41:27*
Lil' B and then my kid will grow up watching it and think that's what the Fast and Furious is.
*01:41:31*
Yeah.
*01:41:37*
Well here's here's my other one question.
*01:41:38*
Uh my question is, when is it gonna happen?
*01:41:40*
When will CGI Paul Walker occur?
*01:41:42*
And how will it occur?
*01:41:45*
Because it and the reason I say it's going to happen, and I sent you this earlier this year, too, is that
*01:41:47*
Vin said something in an earlier in an interview earlier this year where like, uh, we haven't properly said goodbye to Paul Walker yet.
*01:41:53*
It's like, what are you talking?
*01:42:01*
What are you talking about?
*01:42:03*
Yes, you did.
*01:42:04*
You drove away on separate highways while He he said something about something to the effect of like they haven't properly said goodbye to his character and they need to give him a send-off.
*01:42:06*
It's like
*01:42:15*
Craig what?
*01:42:16*
What are you talking about?
*01:42:18*
And so, like, he's definitely
*01:42:20*
Making it known that they're gonna do this at some point.
*01:42:24*
Like Paul Walker's brother is probably gonna be in one of these movies standing in for him and then they're gonna Sure.
*01:42:26*
CGI of I, Paul Walker's face.
*01:42:32*
It's just it's gonna be horrible.
*01:42:35*
But I'm wondering in what manner does he just show up at, you know
*01:42:36*
A barbecue at the end and we just see him again?
*01:42:41*
Is he gonna swoop in from the shadows and be like, Don't worry, Dom, I got your back.
*01:42:43*
I'm out of retirement.
*01:42:47*
Like, is he gonna be the one to save him from the damn?
*01:42:48*
Like, this is my question.
*01:42:51*
Like
*01:42:52*
How integral is he going to be?
*01:42:52*
So here's the thing.
*01:42:56*
I feel like, yes, you're absolutely right.
*01:42:58*
Paul Walker will return in some capacity and it'll be
*01:43:00*
Horrible.
*01:43:03*
Heartbreaking.
*01:43:04*
Just gut wretching.
*01:43:05*
But I think hm
*01:43:07*
I don't think in whatever shape that takes, I don't think it's for the entire movie.
*01:43:11*
I feel like if if you have Brian swoop in and save him at the beginning of the movie, Brian's in the movie the whole time
*01:43:18*
And I just think you get too weird and uncanny with it if they're in the whole movie.
*01:43:24*
When I think of other mega franchises that bring back people from the dead,
*01:43:30*
They they're just in a few scenes, right?
*01:43:36*
You know, I think of Star Wars a few times is where they br they brought a few dead characters, but uh actors back for scenes and um they've just played small moments
*01:43:40*
And I feel like that's what they would do with Paul.
*01:43:50*
And it's a small moment.
*01:43:52*
And I so to me that automatically rules out combat.
*01:43:53*
Big moments.
*01:43:59*
Maybe in a car he could be there for a big moment.
*01:44:00*
But I feel like really it's just it's gotta be some sort of barbecue.
*01:44:03*
Like, you know, the final family barbecue.
*01:44:07*
Would you like me to read Vin's actual comment on the matter?
*01:44:10*
Yeah, let's get it on the record here.
*01:44:13*
Here is Vin's comment.
*01:44:15*
Um, he said this in an interview earlier this year in promotion of FastEx.
*01:44:16*
He said, quote, that movie in two or that moment in 2013 when the world was struggling with his loss, talking about Paul Walker, the studio made a very bold and righteous and daring decision to keep Brian O'Connor alive, Diesel said.
*01:44:21*
Quote, I will give you this without spoiling anything.
*01:44:35*
I couldn't imagine this saga ending without truly saying goodbye to Brian O'Connor.
*01:44:38*
What?
*01:44:44*
Is he suddenly one he wants to kill him?
*01:44:46*
Like I don't understand I don't understand either either.
*01:44:49*
It to me
*01:44:54*
Right.
*01:44:56*
So if this is truly, you know, the end of Fast and Fierce, this incarnation of it.
*01:44:56*
There does have to be a big family barbecue, send off goodbye kind of thing.
*01:45:01*
Yes, yes.
*01:45:04*
Like the kids gotta be there.
*01:45:06*
Everyone, heck.
*01:45:08*
You know, like we gotta see everyone.
*01:45:11*
The ghost of Elena hanging over the house waving down on everybody.
*01:45:13*
Yeah.
*01:45:17*
Bring back um uh what was that kid's name?
*01:45:18*
Eva bring back Eva Mendez
*01:45:20*
Oh my gosh.
*01:45:23*
She well she was back.
*01:45:24*
Remember she was brought back in uh the end of Fast Five.
*01:45:25*
She can Yep, I do remember that.
*01:45:28*
But they gotta bring her back again.
*01:45:29*
They could.
*01:45:31*
They really, really could.
*01:45:32*
No, what?
*01:45:33*
Uh gosh darn it.
*01:45:34*
What's that kid's name?
*01:45:35*
He drove the the zebra car, gets shot down, mowed down.
*01:45:37*
Oh, oh, in the first movie?
*01:45:41*
Yeah.
*01:45:43*
Yeah, I forget his name.
*01:45:44*
Maybe he's alive.
*01:45:46*
He can be up there with Elena waving down on everybody.
*01:45:47*
Like the end of Happy Gilmore.
*01:45:50*
Yeah, kind of that up in the sky kind of moment.
*01:45:52*
So
*01:45:55*
Yeah, he'll show up at a family.
*01:45:57*
He'll show up.
*01:45:59*
I I am curious to see to what level they make him show up.
*01:46:00*
I'm hoping as little as possible
*01:46:03*
The thing I will say, like, I think you and I are very and maybe we've talked about this on a previous ep episode, but I'm very skeptical of them doing this, and I know they're gonna do this, and we talked about this in a previous episode, and I I asked you if
*01:46:06*
you thought they would and you're like, no, I don't think they'll touch that.
*01:46:19*
And I was like, oh, I think you're out of your mind.
*01:46:22*
They definitely will.
*01:46:23*
Um so they're gonna do it at some point.
*01:46:25*
Um the thing that I will say in their defense though is that
*01:46:28*
Obviously, Vin and the rest of the cast, who has been around for a long, long time, were very close with Paul Walker.
*01:46:36*
So if they do bring him back in any capacity, I imagine they will want to do it as um
*01:46:43*
carefully as possible and as respectfully as possible and I'm sure Paul Walker's family will they'll probably try to get Paul Walker's family to sign off on it.
*01:46:50*
And I think Vin's still close with Paul's family and stuff like that.
*01:46:58*
So I I I don't I don't want to chalk it up as something that they're doing.
*01:47:01*
ultra flippantly, but they just have to just just be careful.
*01:47:05*
Just be careful.
*01:47:12*
I don't I don't want it to d to be too disrespectful.
*01:47:13*
I still miss Paul Walker though.
*01:47:16*
I like ever since he passed away these movies have been it's just been a void in with these films.
*01:47:17*
And you know
*01:47:23*
It's a bummer.
*01:47:26*
But we will always have those first seven movies, which is such a silly thing to say, because seven movies is a lot.
*01:47:27*
And um
*01:47:36*
You know, Brian's still there.
*01:47:37*
And I do I do love that like his his spirit is still in the movies to some degree.
*01:47:38*
Like you know, he is there.
*01:47:46*
There is something comforting knowing that in this world he is alive.
*01:47:47*
And I I like that.
*01:47:51*
But I don't want to see him all computered.
*01:47:52*
Yeah, I I don't want
*01:47:56*
I don't want to see that either.
*01:47:58*
Even if that technology is improving, it's still very much uncanny valley.
*01:47:59*
Yeah.
*01:48:05*
But oh well.
*01:48:06*
Alright, uh I don't think we uh we didn't really talk about the music or sound design.
*01:48:07*
I don't really think we need to, if I'm being honest.
*01:48:12*
It's a it's a Fast and Furious film.
*01:48:14*
They include some licensed tracks and then
*01:48:15*
Nothing really to say otherwise.
*01:48:20*
Uh I mean they've got obviously an original score too, but I I don't have anything to say about that if you don't.
*01:48:22*
Other than that, we'll do best car Max.
*01:48:27*
What is the best car?
*01:48:29*
I think it's Dante's purple impala, personally.
*01:48:31*
I also liked uh the car Han is driving in Rome.
*01:48:36*
I want to say that's uh is that the Alpha Romero
*01:48:40*
Yes, there's this Alpha Romero, the little orange one that um Han drives.
*01:48:45*
I like that.
*01:48:51*
It's just a nice tight little car.
*01:48:51*
So you know, those are the two I like the most.
*01:48:53*
What do you think?
*01:48:56*
What did you care for?
*01:48:57*
I mean, I liked uh which will be our art for this episode.
*01:48:58*
I did like John Cena's I what was the car again?
*01:49:02*
Ninety two Mustang.
*01:49:06*
I did like his little ninety-two it's a ninety-two Mustang?
*01:49:07*
It is a nineteen ninety-two Ford Mustang.
*01:49:11*
I don't is it really?
*01:49:15*
The little crappy one he's driving with the canoe on top?
*01:49:16*
Yep.
*01:49:19*
I didn't know that.
*01:49:20*
I thought it looked worse.
*01:49:20*
Purchased by Jacob Toretto when he was thirteen.
*01:49:21*
He rebuilt the car from the ground up and kept it ever since, continuing to use it as an adult.
*01:49:23*
I I kinda like that just because it was unexpected for everybody.
*01:49:28*
You know, like you said, it's the art.
*01:49:34*
Seeing the Hot Wheel, I actually think it's a pretty good looking car.
*01:49:36*
It's not a Mustang in the sense of you look at it and think Mustang.
*01:49:40*
Yeah, it's not what you would normally think of as a I like it.
*01:49:44*
It's got that little hood scoop looking detail on it and stuff.
*01:49:47*
I th I I do like it.
*01:49:50*
I like the color too.
*01:49:51*
It's a very nice shade of blue.
*01:49:52*
Other than that, um the coolest one, I think, is the 2003 Lamborghini Gayardo.
*01:49:54*
the gold one that Roman is driving.
*01:50:03*
You have Roman energy about you.
*01:50:05*
I do like the Lamborghini that he is driving in the Rome chase sequence.
*01:50:08*
I think it's really
*01:50:13*
Rome Roman is definitely a a Lambo guy from the orange one that he drives in Fate of the Furious to, you know, this gold one is very loud and proud.
*01:50:14*
It's it's a good car.
*01:50:23*
Um I think it I think actually you picking
*01:50:25*
The Lamborghini and me picking picking the Alpha Romero is actually speaks more to our taste of Fast and Furious movies as well.
*01:50:29*
Yeah.
*01:50:37*
You've always liked the you've always liked the color more colorful stuff for sure.
*01:50:38*
Yeah.
*01:50:42*
So this is cool.
*01:50:43*
This is good.
*01:50:45*
You know, I I think that's a good collection of cars.
*01:50:46*
I think what's nice is
*01:50:49*
As these movies go on, you know, each character kind of has their own brand of car or something.
*01:50:52*
And so I like that we've got a Chevy in here now with the Impala and
*01:50:56*
For uh you know, Jacob had the Mustangs, because that was also his car in F9, like his evil car was the a Mustang.
*01:51:02*
as well.
*01:51:10*
So, you know, everyone has their own type of vehicle.
*01:51:10*
And I'm curious to see what kind of big old Hummer truck Hobbs is driving around next.
*01:51:14*
And
*01:51:18*
And things like that.
*01:51:19*
But it is cool to to hang out and get some Chevy representation in here as well for a big character.
*01:51:20*
Well, I was gonna say speaking of Chevy's too, shout out to the 1967 Chevy Chevrolet El Camino
*01:51:26*
Which is the rocket car that Docum's driving.
*01:51:33*
Even outside of the fact that it has rockets attached to it
*01:51:37*
I I I I like how El Caminos look.
*01:51:40*
It's a it's a it's a small little compact car that's got a truck trunk truck bed with it.
*01:51:43*
Uh it's just always been very unique and cool looking, I think.
*01:51:50*
Um and then we attach some rockets to it and it's that much cooler.
*01:51:53*
So shout out to the El Camino.
*01:51:58*
It's a fun one.
*01:52:01*
It was a very fun car.
*01:52:02*
Uh last but not least, Max, what's this film's legacy?
*01:52:04*
Please tell me that, even though it's only been out.
*01:52:09*
Three or four months here.
*01:52:12*
I I mean I think we've really touched on it a lot throughout this episode, but it's it's a two-parter.
*01:52:15*
It
*01:52:22*
I think it introduces the strongest one of the strongest villains, but I think really the big thing is it's this it's this two-parter, and at this time
*01:52:23*
Just feels very fragmented, which is kind of a first for the series to not have resolution at the end of the movie.
*01:52:34*
And so
*01:52:43*
You know, I just am hesitant going forward.
*01:52:45*
It feels incomplete, and I'm not used to that.
*01:52:48*
And I don't like it when movies that are broken up into multiple parts are years apart.
*01:52:51*
I think that's
*01:52:57*
frustrating.
*01:52:58*
I always think back to The Matrix where they put those two movies out in the same year, or Lord of the Rings, where those were filmed all at the same time and put out fairly close to each other.
*01:52:59*
But this is and now with the strike, which obviously no one planned for Even without the strike, it was going to be a pretty lengthy gap.
*01:53:10*
It was gonna be a two-part movie.
*01:53:18*
Yeah, 'cause a lot of these two part movies would only be like one year apart, you know.
*01:53:20*
Think of Avengers, think of Harry Potter, think of like a lot of times you're right.
*01:53:24*
Yeah, they do f they they do film a lot of these back to back, you know, and have them out within
*01:53:28*
10, 12 months of each other.
*01:53:32*
Um, that will not be the case here.
*01:53:34*
Obviously, we're in there's a strike going on now, but even if there wasn't, there was always going to be a two or three year gap here, which is kind of
*01:53:36*
Interesting.
*01:53:43*
And then a solo film in between all of it.
*01:53:44*
So um I don't know.
*01:53:47*
I feel I do I do feel like they're I mean, we've been talking about this past couple episodes.
*01:53:49*
Um
*01:53:53*
They're they're stumbling towards the finish line here.
*01:53:54*
I think they just need to wrap this up.
*01:53:58*
Like I really do hope when Vin talks about it being
*01:54:00*
a three parter that the third part he is referring to as the Hobbs solo film.
*01:54:03*
That would help.
*01:54:08*
I really just cannot envision
*01:54:09*
three more total movies in this series to wrap everything up.
*01:54:12*
Um because it's already just getting
*01:54:17*
Too bloated and out of control as it is.
*01:54:20*
So, um, I mean, I think the legacy of this movie is obviously hard to say in the moment.
*01:54:24*
Again, I think generally speaking, it will be that this is
*01:54:29*
This is the Jason Momoa movie, and I know he's gonna be in more of them, but that that's that's what a lot of people I think ever since they started introducing
*01:54:34*
new characters like six was the or five is the rock movie, six is the well maybe not.
*01:54:43*
They don't introduce Jason Statham in six.
*01:54:51*
Seven's the Jason Statham movie.
*01:54:53*
Yeah, Jason Statham is the seven plus Paul Walker goodbye.
*01:54:56*
Eight is the Charlie's movie.
*01:54:59*
Nine is the Cena movie.
*01:55:01*
This will be the J Jason Ramoa movie.
*01:55:02*
Um, and I think that'll kind of be the thing that sticks with people moving forward the most.
*01:55:05*
Um, and then just the fact that like we've talked about throughout this episode, this is really like a
*01:55:09*
pseudo-sequel specifically to five, um, which I think kind of stands out quite a bit.
*01:55:14*
Obviously, all these movies have been building off the backs of each other for a long time now, but this is in particular a sequel to
*01:55:20*
A film from five entries ago, which is kind of interesting.
*01:55:28*
So well, I think that does it for our discussion here on Fast X.
*01:55:33*
Thank you all so much for listening.
*01:55:38*
Thank you all for your patience
*01:55:40*
as uh, you know, we've been kind of stringing we've been kicking this can down the road for a while.
*01:55:42*
So it's nice to finally talk about it with Logan and we are truly
*01:55:48*
entirely caught up with Fast and Furious now, uh which is good.
*01:55:52*
Feels good.
*01:55:55*
So thank you.
*01:55:56*
Assuming the show still exists.
*01:55:57*
I was gonna say assuming the show still exists in
*01:55:58*
Whenever the next one comes out by 2030.
*01:56:01*
Yeah, we'll we'll put another one of these episodes in the feed, uh as long as we s still live.
*01:56:04*
Yes.
*01:56:10*
So uh Hobbs, Hobbs will be next whenever that is, so you know, stick around for that.
*01:56:11*
Hope and that one, I will try and force Logan to go to the theater to actually see a fast and furious movie at the theater.
*01:56:15*
Preferably opening night.
*01:56:23*
I really want to get have him kind of feel the energy there.
*01:56:24*
So but until then, you know, you can check out more of the show right here in your podcast feed or head over to chapterselect.
*01:56:27*
com.
*01:56:34*
We've got
*01:56:34*
plenty of other seasons.
*01:56:35*
Currently, right now, as of we're recording, we've got season six with Pokemon going on.
*01:56:36*
I've been playing through the mainline Pokemon games.
*01:56:41*
And then uh season seven is Metroid Prime, which will be early 24, and then uh season eight is going to be Castlevania.
*01:56:44*
So production on those has begun.
*01:56:52*
So you can check all of that out.
*01:56:54*
And of course, there's super chapter select for longer episodes, bonus video content, and all that sort of stuff.
*01:56:56*
Just for two and a half bucks a month or uh $20 a year.
*01:57:02*
You can check out more at
*01:57:06*
at listeningwithsuperpower.
*01:57:08*
com and check out and should support the show.
*01:57:09*
If you'd like, you can follow Logan on Twitter at Moreman12 or I guess at X on X now.
*01:57:13*
Probably, I don't know.
*01:57:20*
We'll we should have a Twitter talk later.
*01:57:21*
Um but for now, Mooreman12 and his writing over at comicbook.
*01:57:23*
com.
*01:57:27*
Uh you can follow myself at maxroberts143 and my writing over at maxfrequency.
*01:57:28*
dot net.
*01:57:33*
But thank you all so much for listening, and until next time.
*01:57:34*
Adios.
*01:57:38*
Chapter Select is a max frequency production.
*01:57:40*
This episode was researched, produced, and edited by me, Max Roberts.
*01:57:43*
Season four is hosted by Logan Moore and myself.
*01:57:48*
Season four is all about the fast and the furious.
*01:57:51*
For more on this season, go to chapterselect.
*01:57:55*
com forward slash season four.
*01:57:57*
Follow the show at Chapter Select and check out previous seasons at Chapter Select.
*01:58:00*
com
*01:58:06*