# Chapter Select, [[S4E2 - 2 Fast 2 Furious]] Transcript This transcription was completed on March 4, 2026 with the application MacWhisper on macOS. This was done automatically, without human input during the transcription process. The transcription used the Parakeet v3 model. My hope is that by offering this transcription – however accurate it may be done by a machine learning/AI – will help you, the listener. I’d love to offer full, proper transcription some day, but that is not feasible at this time. Thank you for listening and reading. I hope you enjoy the show and that this document was helpful. Enjoy. --- I wanted to read you a couple of a couple of things I found while scrolling through the Wikipedia. *00:00* Um It was nominated for just a few awards, including some raspberries, which is *00:06* Worst movie of the year. *00:12* Yeah, exactly. *00:14* Worst remake or sequel and worst excuse for an actual movie. *00:14* Uh nominated, didn't win. *00:17* Uh but the the two wins that it has in its accolade section are for *00:19* Choice movie chemistry, the nominee was Paul Walker and he won that. *00:24* And then the choice movie fight slash action sequence. *00:28* The nominee was Paul Walker vs. *00:33* Tyrese Gibson. *00:36* Their little screen in front of the trailer. *00:38* In front of the trailer, that was quote unquote the best movie fight of uh 2003. *00:40* 2003. *00:46* According to Breakthrough Performance Ludicrous. *00:47* Yes. *00:51* Some other fun some other fun uh bits of trivia *00:51* Vin Diesel was offered $25 million to return, but he refused because he said the screen pay screenplay was uh inferior. *00:58* And he chose to appear in Chronicles of Verdick instead. *01:07* In an interview in 2015, his quote was they didn't take a Francis Ford Coppola approach to it. *01:09* What? *01:17* As if the Fast and the Furious is the next godfather. *01:18* Um another fun tidbit was that Ja Rule was offered half a million dollars to reappear. *01:21* in the film, uh, but he turned it down. *01:30* And instead they cast a Ludacris as Tej Parker. *01:33* Now Ludacris *01:37* as you'll come to find out, is still in the Fast and Furious series and has made a lot more money than that. *01:39* So this made made a lot more than a half of million dollars. *01:44* Yes. *01:48* The hired Ludacris as a substitute. *01:49* Isn't that crazy? *01:53* I thought it was pretty fun. *01:56* Uh the film reached a peak above *01:58* They had two scripts, one within and one without. *02:02* Obviously they went with the without option. *02:05* Okay, so this morning I planned on waking up. *02:09* Playing Pokemon and then uh and then going to play Frisbee eight o'clock and get on with my day. *02:15* Uh but uh in the night the analog pocket got its first open course for the Game Boy, Game Boy Color and Game Boy Advance. *02:27* I did see that. *02:35* Yes. *02:37* Yes. *02:37* And this is on track with previous stuff. *02:37* Everyone thinks it's Kevtris, the FPGA, so those same cores just open is the thought process. *02:40* I was like, ah, this'll take five minutes. *02:46* I have um I spent my entire morning working on this. *02:48* Frisbee was canceled. *02:51* I went from about six o'clock to You canceled it or it just got canceled in general? *02:53* Uh it got canceled in general. *02:58* Um from about six o'clock to nine o'clock, I was trying to figure this out and get it to work. *03:00* I *03:05* Um then left because I bought a new SD card because I thought maybe the SD card was the problem. *03:07* It was not. *03:12* Um *03:14* And then on the way out, Abby wanted to go with me because I was going to Target to get it. *03:15* So she went. *03:22* Um *03:24* had breakfast and when we got in the car, Abby opens her door and there are ants inside the car on the passenger side, just crawling up and in the door frame. *03:25* Like a obscene amount. *03:36* So I just leave the car. *03:39* I'll wash it later. *03:41* So we take her car. *03:43* That's got bugs in it. *03:45* What the heck are you eating? *03:47* I I don't eat in my car. *03:49* Your applesauce slurp packages I don't know man. *03:53* So we take her car, we get breakfast, we go to the car wash with her car *03:56* Get it washed, vacuum it out, wipe it down. *04:01* Bugs are solved. *04:04* We go to Target. *04:05* Target's fine. *04:07* I cut we come home. *04:09* She goes upstairs. *04:10* I take my car to the car wash. *04:11* And clean it out. *04:14* It's like 100 degrees. *04:14* I'm dying. *04:16* Come home. *04:18* Go back down the analog pocket route. *04:19* I have a post on Reddit. *04:21* This is the most successful post I've ever made on Reddit. *04:23* Um, I don't know, what do we have? *04:27* Over two thousand views, seventy-two percent up vote, and I've got *04:30* I don't know how many comments a lot. *04:35* 31 comments? *04:37* People trying to help me figure this out. *04:38* No success. *04:40* I've spent an ungodly amount of time on this today. *04:42* No new updates, no new ideas. *04:46* I've restored it, I've reformatted it, I've done everything. *04:51* Can you play it at all? *04:54* Or is it like My pocket will play cartridges. *04:55* It'll work with those pocket patches. *04:58* It just will not load any course, including the one that Analog released yesterday, the the Space Wars one. *05:01* Like Yeah. *05:08* The open FPGA part of it will not work for me, and I can't figure out why. *05:10* Analog zone instructions are devoid of specificity. *05:16* This is like the same problem I had when I tried to update my doc and it was just like, oh just plug it right in and it'll update. *05:21* I'm like, well how am I supposed to *05:27* Know if it's doing it or whatever. *05:29* So I've been digging into Reddit posts and everything and having people feed back and I'm getting nothing. *05:31* Absolutely no results. *05:38* Anytime I click on the open thing, it's like it's just a QR code of how to get started. *05:41* QR code takes you to an analog page that has nothing. *05:46* One paragraph, maybe two sentences really. *05:49* It offers you no input, no help. *05:52* SD card is formatted allegedly the right way. *05:56* File structures the right way, screenshots. *06:01* I'll probably watch videos that have been made later, but like have you reached out to them? *06:04* I have not reached out to analog specifically. *06:10* I c *06:12* It's a beta, so I'm sh I'm doubt they're they'll be very helpful. *06:13* But it's just like holy smokes guys, why is this so difficult? *06:20* Yeah, I like the pocket, but the software side of it sometimes is a little clunky in my experience, especially since you still got your beeping problem and everything. *06:26* So I'm very frustrated. *06:36* I've spent far too much time, energy, and money today on this, which was just supposed to be a way to load ROMs and play my ROMs on that so I don't have to have cartridges. *06:39* And of course, like it's not a problem for me. *06:50* I have a Mr. *06:53* I can play bith you know, I have a plethora way of playing Game Boy games. *06:54* It's not the problem. *06:59* It's just more frustrating that it's not working the way it's supposed to work. *07:00* Yeah. *07:05* And I just want to bang my head against the wall. *07:06* Um but this will be a good distraction. *07:11* Get my mind off of it. *07:13* Hopefully I can just after this call go back to Pokemon and *07:15* You and me both, I need to go back to Pokemon and collect some gym badges, actually. *07:20* Where are you at in that? *07:27* I st I have not played it in *07:29* uh quite a bit. *07:30* Are you the first gym still? *07:31* Yep. *07:33* So I gotta blaze through the game. *07:34* But you seem to do that very quickly just by playing a couple hours each morning. *07:37* So I imagine it shouldn't be too *07:42* long you know should it be anymore I so yeah I'm basically yeah I'm just fiddling around with post game which is actually interesting *07:44* Um most Pokemon postgames are pretty good actually. *07:58* So I was surprised. *08:02* I am surprised. *08:04* I mean I'm still playing it, so and I'll probably start dabbling away at um *08:05* Uh Resident Evil again here semi-soon. *08:12* I'm not. *08:17* I haven't played in a five days. *08:17* I'm worried I'm gonna start forgetting the map layout that I've come to know so far. *08:20* But also I'm just slower than you in general, and you've played it before, so I like being a little ahead of you. *08:27* Gives me makes me feel *08:35* Well that game is not one that I have memorized in the back of my hand by any means. *08:36* It's been a long time. *08:42* I have those games loaded up on my GameCube. *08:44* I'll be able to see what those look like. *08:47* Try to decide if I should buy a God of War vinyl I found for $50. *08:50* Yeah, up *08:56* I wonder when PSVR two is. *08:58* In the God of War edition. *09:00* I'm trying to sell my PSVR. *09:02* Have you put it up for sale? *09:04* Mm-hmm. *09:05* How much? *09:06* Uh I'm including everything and I have the OG box, not the games. *09:08* Okay. *09:13* Including the move controllers, the camera, the headset, and the box. *09:14* And I just asked for $150 for all of it. *09:19* So but nothing so far, so I might drop the price because I just kind of want to get rid of it. *09:22* In general. *09:28* But I don't think anyone's going to be able to do it. *09:29* I feel like it's worth more than 150. *09:30* Uh it's worth whatever people are going to pay for it. *09:32* And I got news for you. *09:35* People do not want to buy that right now. *09:36* So That's I mean that's fair. *09:38* People are not buying it right now. *09:40* In this economy, I think people don't want to buy it because one recession, two *09:43* Sold items, eBay. *09:51* I do not think they go for very much. *09:53* I really don't. *09:55* Mega Pack. *09:56* You're not a mega pack. *09:57* Nine eighty bucks, 120 bucks. *10:00* These are just the headsets. *10:03* 150 for a core bundle, but that came with a charging stand. *10:05* So *10:09* I think it's a good thing. *10:10* Okay, you're in the ballpark. *10:13* I kinda like I would probably like to go. *10:16* Honestly. *10:19* I know it's worth *10:20* Kind of nothing essentially at this point. *10:23* And I just don't it's just I don't think the games will be back compact. *10:25* I know it's taking space, but like I'm just *10:29* I'm at the point where I don't want to sell my consoles anymore. *10:32* I think I'm an adult that I'm just gonna keep it and it's a way to play those games someday. *10:34* And maybe I could keep it. *10:39* I don't know why *10:40* They won't confirm or not confirm whether or not it's back and pat. *10:42* Because it's not. *10:45* They don't want us to they don't. *10:47* I don't understand why not, though. *10:48* Why it's not back and pat? *10:51* I mean *10:53* Yeah, there's no I mean I think that I think there would have to be additional legwork done for the games some of the games to be playable. *10:54* I think it's just they don't want they don't want you using the camera *11:01* And the move controllers with PS. *11:08* I mean you can use it with PS5 because you it the PS5 is a PS4. *11:11* I don't know. *11:16* I mean Wait, what are you talking about? *11:17* If they're for when they don't like you using the camera and the move controllers, then you would if it was forward compatible, you wouldn't be using that stuff. *11:20* That's the point. *11:28* You mean the game is a good thing. *11:30* I don't work with the new hardware. *11:31* Uh it can't. *11:34* Not if you you can't use the new controllers with *11:35* The the tracking technology is entirely different. *11:38* I don't know if the how easy that would be to like reprogram that. *11:42* I don't know. *11:46* Because one is light-based tracking on essentially a 2D plane. *11:46* With light orbs and stuff in the headset. *11:51* And the other is inward out tracking with three dimensional positioning. *11:54* Like I don't I don't think they translate the same *11:59* Now, devs obviously can do both. *12:02* Look at Beatsaber. *12:05* It works on any VR platform. *12:06* But I just don't think they're going to *12:09* Say I don't think they would pull a Microsoft and just say all of your PSVR one games work on PSVR two. *12:13* They should. *12:22* They should. *12:23* You're you we agree. *12:24* I just don't think they will. *12:26* Now, will developers go if you own the PSVR version of ours? *12:27* You know, here's the PSVR2 patch or version of that, just kind of like they do now with cross-gen games, where BeatSaber, if you want BeatSaber on PSVR, you're gonna have the PSVR2 version. *12:33* Will they upgrade Asher's Rescue Mission? *12:45* I'm I would hope so. *12:48* Asher's Rescue Mission would work because it's a controller-based game, not a move. *12:49* I think anything that requires the move stuff. *12:54* is gonna fall in the developer's lap. *12:58* Maybe. *13:01* Like what was that uh London studio game? *13:02* The heist *13:06* Yeah, I think so. *13:08* Like I think they would have to re-jigger that whole thing. *13:09* Maybe. *13:13* I hope it's why I really hope it works. *13:15* I do. *13:18* I mean, I think it's very bad though that this is the first jump we're taking from one to the next. *13:19* And if you immediately *13:25* The problem is gonna be is that they've been trying to build up PSVR for what five years now or so? *13:28* Was it 2016? *13:36* Five or six years. *13:37* 2017? *13:38* Five or six years. *13:39* And if you immediately introduce new hardware and these hundreds of games that were made for the previous hardware are unplayable *13:40* That's a rough proposition. *13:49* But backward compatibility was never a proposition in video games until *13:52* That's not true. *13:58* For PlayStation it was their first three gins. *13:59* It was only PS4 that it wasn't. *14:02* Well PS1 and PS2. *14:04* PS3 was back compat with PS um *14:06* One and two. *14:09* One and very few twos is essentially. *14:11* I got a lot of games to work for with for my PS2 on my PS3. *14:14* But I had an original model. *14:18* Exactly. *14:19* That's what I'm saying. *14:20* The mass of the install base is not bat compat. *14:20* And then obviously four kills all ties, and then five is PS4 compat. *14:23* I'm just *14:28* I think games that use a dual sh dual scent, dual shock only, or have that option will work. *14:29* Resident Evil, like I think that can happen. *14:37* Rez. *14:39* Res Infinite, Tetris Effect, all of those will have PS5 versions, I think, because that will work, or your PS4 versions. *14:40* It's anything that is move only is gonna have to be re-jiggered. *14:47* And that's the thing. *14:52* So PSVR one I bought my order was placed in March of 2016. *14:53* So I think that was October 2016 then when it came out. *14:58* Mm-hmm. *15:00* Yeah, it was. *15:01* So I hope it is. *15:02* Spin out for six years. *15:04* I don't think I've played it much in the last five. *15:06* I m what was the last time I played it? *15:09* Um *15:12* Hmm, I don't know. *15:15* Last time played it consistent consistently was probably Rescue Mission, which was 2018, 2019. *15:17* I played a little bit of that but never beat it. *15:24* it. *15:26* It's so good. *15:26* I'm excited for whatever they do. *15:28* PSVR2 I probably won't get at launch. *15:30* Just cause. *15:34* I will try to review it for our site and then that'll be about it. *15:34* it. *15:37* Yeah. *15:38* I'm if I don't I would love to not buying it probably. *15:39* You know me and VR. *15:43* I love it, but baby's gonna make dropping money on a $400, $500 console pretty difficult. *15:44* Yeah, I just can't. *15:50* It's harder to strap things to my face isn't face now too, and just shut off everything around me now that I've got a pooch and stuff like that. *15:52* I don't know. *16:01* Back in the day it was a little easier. *16:02* But yeah. *16:04* Yeah. *16:06* I'm excited for it though. *16:06* It is a good push in the technology, which means better games, and I love playing VR, so *16:08* Sunday I'll get it. *16:16* Let's do this program *16:19* Hello, everybody, and welcome. *16:31* to two chapter two select, a seasonal podcast where we bounce back and forth between a series exploring their evolution, design, and legacy. *16:34* For season four, we are covering the fast and the furious. *16:43* I am one of your hosts, Max Roberts, and I am joined as always by Logan Moore. *16:46* Hi Logan. *16:51* We hungry. *16:52* I was hoping you'd say it. *16:53* We are hungry. *16:55* We hungry. *16:56* We're hungry. *16:57* Hungry. *16:59* However he says it. *17:01* One of the best lines and deliveries of my life. *17:02* Your life? *17:08* That quote has been with me for a very long time, Logan. *17:09* I mean that's one I've I've known about for *17:18* a pretty long time and I've never seen any of these movies. *17:22* Like I can't think of any other standout quotes other than I got family or whatever. *17:26* Yeah, and honestly your perception of that is really warped by just a video of like thirty men in black uh tank tops just in the shouting. *17:33* Yeah. *17:44* Exactly. *17:45* Yeah, We Hungry and uh Ejecto C do Cuz are the two things I definitely knew about before we watched this *17:46* this movie. *17:54* Um both quotes from Roman says a lot about his character. *17:55* It does. *18:02* Uh I'm so excited. *18:03* This is one of my favorites in the series. *18:05* Well, I think you might be alone on that island uh based on some of the other responses here, which we'll get to. *18:08* Uh let's run down the basic information about Too Fast, Too Furious before we get into *18:15* Talking about the movie at large. *18:21* Uh this film released two years after the original on June 6th, 2003 *18:23* was directed by John Singleton, uh produced again by Neil H. *18:29* Moritz. *18:33* Uh the writers were Gary Scott Thompson, Michael Brandt, and Derek Haas. *18:34* Uh Michael Brant and Derek Haas specifically wrote the script *18:39* Uh the primary actors this time around were Paul Walker once again, Tyrese Gibson joined the cast, uh alongside Chris Ludicris Bridges. *18:43* uh Eva Mendez and Cole Hauser as this very bad villain. *18:53* Uh the composer was different this time around as uh David Arnold joined the team to make the music for this. *18:58* The stunt coordinator was *19:05* Artie Maleshi, I think. *19:06* Uh, and the sequel had a m much higher budget this time around, about double of the previous movie's budget. *19:09* It was 76 million, and it made 236 million worldwide. *19:15* It wasn't as well received though. *19:20* Uh Rotten Tomatoes. *19:23* The critics gave this one a 36% overall score. *19:25* And the fans didn't do much better. *19:28* They gave it a 50% user score. *19:29* Which again *19:32* Rotten Tomatoes is somewhat newer-ish within the past decade or so, so these scores are kind of retroactive. *19:33* Um *19:40* But still, this has got to be one of the lowest rated in the series, I would imagine. *19:41* The I wanted to read this quote from Roger Ebert of the Chicago Sun-Times. *19:46* Let's see. *19:54* He gave the film a three out of four and said, it doesn't have a brain in its head, but it's made with skill and style, and boy, it is fast and furious. *19:55* Thanks, Roger. *20:06* The movie critic of all movie critics said he liked it. *20:07* So what does that say about this movie? *20:11* And Roger We Trust. *20:14* Was it double the budget? *20:16* Holy smokes, it was. *20:18* Yeah, it was double the budget. *20:19* Because the last one was like what 38 million, I think. *20:20* Yeah. *20:22* So it was exactly double the budget. *20:23* Let's talk about our own histories with this. *20:25* Max, you have much more of a history with this than I do, at least. *20:27* Actually I do have somewhat of a history, which we talked about a little bit. *20:31* I'm excited to hear about the story of your grandfather going to see Too Fast Too Furious. *20:34* No, I don't think he saw Too Fast Too Furious *20:38* But this was the first one you saw in the series, right? *20:41* It was. *20:45* This is the very first Fast and Furious movie I saw, and from this moment on I was *20:45* Uh hooked, sold. *20:51* I've seen everything since multiple times. *20:52* I was at my hold on, can I ask when you went back and watched the first one after you saw this? *20:54* Sometime *21:00* It would have been sometime probably in middle school. *21:01* It wasn't an immediate go back because I didn't get in trouble, but my aunt and uncle got in trouble for letting me and my brother watch this movie. *21:04* So we uh we we're at our aunt and uncle's house with our cousins and and them there. *21:15* I guess my parents were out on a date or or doing work or something. *21:20* I don't know. *21:25* I really have no idea what they were doing that night. *21:25* But *21:27* Uh they had rented Too Fast Too Furious from Blockbuster and we all sat down and watched it. *21:28* This movie is PG-13. *21:33* Um *21:35* You would have just turned nine or would you have turned nine yet? *21:40* I would have six because *21:43* Well, that's the theater, so running from Blockbuster was later in the year. *21:44* True, true, true. *21:48* So we were nine and seven at the time, and fairly sheltered. *21:49* And so when my parents came and picked us up and had heard that we had watched this movie, probably out of our own mouths, because it was so cool and just this awesome movie. *21:54* Uh I do vividly remember um my parents being upset at them and kind of an argument between adults about this uh over the amount of language in the film and the Which probably just made you think it was even cooler. *22:05* It did. *22:17* It probably definitely cemented it even more in my mind. *22:18* So we did have to close our eyes for the torture scene *22:21* Um which I was telling you that that is just cemented in my brain and actually still has like some level of tension, even though there is *22:25* clear corniness and just a an elevation of evil very quickly there. *22:35* There's still some seated um *22:39* What is the word I'm looking for? *22:45* Uh disturbance, like uh tension with this the the scene. *22:47* Gives you a certain emotional feeling. *22:50* And probably because *22:53* Uh we were told to close our eyes, but we could still hear it, which I think adds to the the stress and horror of it all. *22:54* But that was the first one, and I've been watching these movies ever since. *23:02* I love *23:06* Love this movie. *23:08* And definitely mostly probably for a blind nostalgia, just a warm fe feeling, you know, associated with it because it is one of the weaker entries for sure. *23:09* And it's something you watched when you were a kid, so that's *23:19* gonna automatically give you those rose tinted glasses when looking back at it. *23:22* For me, yeah, I don't have a very extensive history with this movie. *23:27* Um I talked last time about my grandfather and his whole *23:31* experience with the first movie and I do remember that. *23:35* For the sequel though, the only thing I really remember is just that this franchise was like gaining popularity. *23:38* I remember kids at school talking about this. *23:45* I remember being on *23:47* Cordova Drive going to West Newton Elementary School in Decatur, Indiana. *23:49* Decatur Central. *23:55* And uh I remember some kids in school or one kid I think on my bus was wearing like a too fast, too furious shirt at one point. *23:57* He's like, yeah, this is the best movie ever. *24:05* I saw it the other day, blah blah blah blah blah and *24:07* Just going I mean that I remember kids talking about this movie because it was like catching on finally with *24:10* People of our age, like yourself, for example, like you saw this and you thought it was awesome and it was really cool. *24:19* Like we were I was at that age of adolescence where if you saw *24:26* quote unquote like adult movies or whatever, you thought they were like automatically the coolest thing you'd ever seen, like Spider-Man when I saw the Sam Raimi Spider-Man movies. *24:30* Like those were not *24:39* That was completely different, you know, from going to see Shrek or these movies that I knew were being made for me or made for uh children. *24:41* Um and again, I did not see Too Fast, Too Furious, but I think that was just a common *24:49* feeling amongst anybody in my age group is that if you got to see real adult movies like The Fast and the Furious, you thought it was so cool. *24:54* Mm-hmm. *25:03* And I just yeah, I remember it gaining steam with some people I went to school with. *25:04* I don't have like specific memories of certain like friends I had back then watching it or talking about it, but I just remember like broadly like *25:08* People wearing shirts with Fast and Furious logo and cars on it and people talking about how they had seen it and rented it from Blockbuster. *25:15* Uh things things of that nature. *25:24* Yeah. *25:26* Um so this is when it really started to become *25:26* apparent in culture, I guess. *25:30* At least at your age that it was definitely at least it at least at my age it's when I started to Again I knew about the other movie, like I said, because of the whole *25:33* exposure via my grandfather in the strangest way. *25:42* But uh this is when I started n realizing that people are people actually like these movies and things like that. *25:45* At least *25:52* people in my age, because again, this has like a fifty percent on rotten tomatoes and well, uh you know, maybe part of that is my cousins were are older than me um by a couple of years and then the *25:54* The sister is also older even still. *26:06* And so I wonder if you're not. *26:10* Oh, you didn't pass them in age? *26:11* No, I've never passed them. *26:13* I meant it's it's Jake and then Allison. *26:15* And so *26:18* They're you know, they were old enough to see this movie, and so probably there's a level of maybe older siblings that were seeing this movie. *26:20* that then took their younger ones to see it and it's just trickled down in the age range. *26:27* And kids in school, when the younger siblings or the younger people catch on to what the older kids are doing *26:32* That even amplifies the coolness even more. *26:38* So I probably was like, this is the greatest movie ever because cars are flying and jumping and all sorts of stuff. *26:41* Yeah. *26:49* And it probably was they were all like, This is probably fine. *26:50* It's funny you mention that. *26:54* I mean this is kind of a total aside, but that's kind of how I got into Zelda of all things. *26:55* I was at some babysitter's house. *27:00* And she had a kid that was in high school, I believe, at the time. *27:03* And I went over there one morning and was being watched by this lady and her son. *27:07* Came down and like before school he's like, Oh, I'm gonna play some video games before I go to school today. *27:12* And he came downstairs and he played Zelda. *27:16* And I thought Zelda looked cool in general, but its coolness factor was like amplified that much more because this *27:18* Older kid was playing this Nintendo game, I'm like, this game is cool. *27:24* This game is for grown-ups. *27:28* This game is *27:30* Yeah, I want to play this now myself. *27:31* And then the next time I went to the store and my parents were like, oh, we'll let you get a game. *27:33* I was like, cool, I want that one. *27:37* Because I knew what it was. *27:39* Exactly. *27:41* And so was *27:42* Yeah, I don't know, just strange exposure to buying these things comes from or your enjoyment of things when you're a kid, I guess, comes from who exposes you to it, especially if it's older kids that you kind of look up to. *27:44* So *27:56* In 2022, though, we're both 28-year-old men. *27:57* What did you think in a general sense about this before we start breaking it down too much further? *28:03* I mean I can't I fully admit I'm biased here. *28:08* I love it. *28:11* I think this movie is just fun. *28:12* It's interesting, especially in the context of the greater series, which you'll obviously kind of peel back. *28:15* A lot of characters are introduced here and it's just fun to see the origins of people like Tej uh and Roman and see know where they go and how it all started here. *28:22* There's just um *28:33* There's almost a grassroots kind of energy to it, and obviously it wasn't it's a sequel to the movie at the time. *28:35* The vision of where this was all going wasn't *28:41* uh wasn't there in two thousand two and stuff when this movie was being made, but there is this kind of up and coming energy to it and *28:44* I noticed this time around the coming off of watching fast one and now too fast *28:54* Street racing played a bit more of a narrative role. *29:02* It wasn't just race wars and um the equipment. *29:05* It wasn't drag racing in particular. *29:08* It was actually like *29:10* Racing around town, yeah. *29:12* Circuits and tracks and things like that. *29:14* So I appreciated that effort, um, especially since we will quickly depart at the importance of racing here. *29:16* in the overall franchise, like racing cars are so much. *29:24* Tokyo Drift. *29:28* Yeah. *29:29* Especially. *29:29* Yeah. *29:30* So racing is gonna lose its importance here, especially since our order is chronological narratively *29:31* you know, the next movie you and I are gonna be watching here is is Fast and Furious, which you'll notice the racing t decline. *29:37* So it was cool to see that here, I in general. *29:45* Um my bias sends it through the roof, but I enjoy this movie. *29:48* It's definitely an okay, if not solid, sequel. *29:52* Yeah, I think again, this being my first exposure to all of these, I think this is definitely the weaker of the two I've seen so far. *29:57* Uh, but I did not hate it. *30:06* But I I I I think *30:08* Even though I didn't watch this as a kid, I'm still very much nostalgic for this time period and for movies from this time period. *30:10* So there's like a certain sort of *30:16* comfort in watching something like this that emulates or has the same sort of style of movies that I grew up with. *30:18* There's just something within me that likes *30:25* Watching this. *30:28* Uh that being said, I don't think the story is very good or compelling this time around. *30:29* I think the movie lives and dies by its characters *30:36* Paul Walker and Tyrese continue to be very good, but everybody else in the cast, I think, kind of stinks. *30:39* Tez is okay, but I don't really think he even has a whole lot to work with because he's just not *30:46* in it a ton. *30:51* Um it's actually in it more than Ja Rule, but I feel like even uh Suki got more screen time than him in a lot of ways because she's primarily involved in one of the *30:53* the the in the big opening scene with the race. *31:04* Um so she gets a little bit more. *31:07* So she gets a little bit more *31:09* character maybe not characterization, but she gets more lines and she's more involved in some fun fun stuff like that and Ludacris's character is kinda on the side and like, yeah, I organize all this. *31:12* Um *31:23* So like I I don't feel like even he really stood out too much. *31:24* Um and and we could talk about this more as as we go through the story, the problems that I had with it. *31:28* But I mean broadly the villain's bad. *31:33* I think Eva Mendez character is pointless. *31:35* Like *31:38* Very, very pointless. *31:39* Like it's clearly it's it's clear that they're just like, let's throw in a potential love interest for Paul Walker, but then that doesn't even really *31:41* materialize in any sort of way and uh but yeah Tyrese steals the show in this movie. *31:50* Tyrese and Paul Walker, their brom their budding bromance is like the core of the movie and that's why you wanna watch it and that's why it's good. *31:56* And I think they really save it just their uh their back and forth constantly throughout the movie. *32:04* There's a lot of good one-liners in this that are not that are good because they're bad. *32:10* Um *32:15* Like descripted this movie, like there's so many awkward lines, but it's the way that they deliver them with like conviction more often than not. *32:17* Like, yeah, somebody really would say this. *32:25* That's really *32:27* funny like it it it makes her an odd dynamic it is definitely carried by performance specifically like you said um Paul Walker and Tyrese *32:29* they carry this whole movie on their backs uh together and their dynamic is so strong. *32:41* It's part of why, you know, Tyrese comes back in later films and is in the series going forward from that point. *32:48* Um and while they the two of them were together while Paul was still alive, their chemistry has always been solid and it started here. *32:55* It's *33:04* I think they're they're playing off of each other is the best part of this movie, hands down. *33:04* Yeah, I I think I the one thing I want to mention too before we dive too deep into the story is *33:10* It's also weird that Dom and them are not in this. *33:16* At least not even Like they're mentioned obviously, but I don't even think they say Dominic Toretto. *33:19* This is name. *33:25* They don't mention. *33:26* Maybe they do. *33:27* Maybe they do once. *33:28* Maybe they're at the opening, but I can't remember. *33:30* But yeah, they don't mention Dominion, which is funny within the larger uh scope of the series. *33:33* It's funny given that we talked about at the end of the last episode that *33:38* Fast One had a post-credit scene and it shows Dom driving around uh there in the desert. *33:42* Uh, and then they cut to this movie and he's just nowhere to be seen whatsoever. *33:49* And obviously the reason he's not in it is behind the scenes stuff. *33:53* Like w uh I don't know if we mentioned this at the top. *33:56* We were talking about it before the show was when we started recording at least. *33:59* Vin just didn't come back because he didn't like the script. *34:02* Uh he was also committed to filming Chronicles of Riddick at the time. *34:05* This was prob this was probably Van Diesel's biggest stretch of hit films. *34:09* He had Fast One, Triple X. *34:14* Chronicles of Riddick and then uh the pacifier, like all in successive years, like back to back to back to back to back. *34:16* That was probably the biggest stretch of his entire career, because nowadays he's just doing *34:23* He comes out of his hole to do the latest fast movie and say I am Groot and I feel like that's about it. *34:28* Um in the early two thousands he was in quite a few different things. *34:34* So it seems like scheduling and a mix of him just not *34:38* thinking that they had a good idea for the sequel, uh, led to him being written out in that manner, which is kind of funny in retrospect. *34:41* Yes. *34:50* Because again, they they at this point they didn't know that this was going to be this huge sprawling *34:50* It also stands because of these circumstances, how they bring it all back together. *35:00* is I'm excited for you to see that because there has to be a a m a remergence like r not remergence. *35:07* They have to they have to combine it. *35:13* They have to merge it all back together. *35:15* And Tokyo Drift is also involved. *35:16* I was gonna say obviously I know broad things that happen in the future. *35:18* They gotta bring them all together. *35:21* Then they gotta bring in I know like Han, for instance, is in Tokyo Drift and then he join ends up joining the main crew at some point and then *35:22* Hashtag justice for Han or something, that's a thing I know about. *35:30* Uh-huh. *35:34* You're ah, it's so fun to see you *35:36* experience this in a weird way. *35:39* There are like broad things I know there are broad beats of the series that I know about. *35:40* Um but yeah it it's it's funny just the way we're *35:45* Even watching them, like I think we we talked uh I mean typically on our show we do the whole bounce back and forth thing and go from one one end of the chronological spectrum to the other, and with this, uh we're kind of watching them sequentially, but I think it's almost *35:50* more fascinating in some ways to watch them sequentially because you see how they developed into this mega we're not even watching it sequentially, we're watching it chronological order from the time period. *36:04* uh in the films. *36:15* But it's still fascinating to see them develop in that sort of thing. *36:16* You buckle up, buddy. *36:20* You're in for a ride here, for sure. *36:21* Let's run through the story of Too Fast, Too Furious a bit more and break down some of the key things from it and *36:23* What we thought, uh the movie obviously opens showing Brian's back, introduces Tej. *36:30* Tej Parker. *36:36* Tej who's his friend who organizes a bunch of street races. *36:37* There's a street race to open the movie *36:40* uh which is a fun sequence to kind of get things off on the right foot. *36:43* I don't know if you have anything to say about that. *36:47* Just the way the ho the the scene was shot. *36:49* There's a lot more CG in this movie compared to the first one. *36:51* And I think that's *36:55* very clear from the jump here. *36:56* Um and it's almost to a obviously it's not aged super well, uh, because this movie is now twenty years old or so. *36:59* Or just about. *37:08* So *37:09* That's a little bit distracting, but they do a good mix of uh I think the camera work throughout I mean not only just this opening sequence but all the different racing sequences in the movie. *37:10* I think it's a good mix of practical stuff, CG *37:20* And then uh the camera work like going in and out of the cars and stuff like that and bouncing between the different cars. *37:23* I I I think the way that it's shot and these scenes are cut together is still really well done for the most part. *37:28* I agree. *37:35* It's an interesting balance. *37:36* They definitely use CG more, um, bigger budget, so it allowed for them to do more ambitious things, and they definitely do both practically and on the computer. *37:38* So it's cool to see that evolve because you're also about to we're about to have a leap in significantly in the budget. *37:49* And so you're going to see that *37:59* exponentially increase and this is a bit more gradual. *38:01* This is kind of a logical next step for how they do that. *38:04* There was one shot in this movie that actually really caught me *38:09* as really cool this time around that I hadn't noticed before. *38:13* It's it's early on when they get the the yellow and the purple car. *38:16* I don't remember specifically what they are. *38:20* But um *38:23* even Mendes Monica rides with Brian and um Roman, they're off to go to Verone's house and it g *38:24* It goes it's on Roman's side of the car and it goes up in between the two cars and then around to Monica's side of the car. *38:35* uh like this kind of S shaped camera movement. *38:45* It's very fluid and fast and obviously they use CG to do the transition but *38:48* It's so convincing and a fluid one shot to get there. *38:54* It's a cool effect. *38:57* And they do that throughout. *38:58* There's different shots from up above, up close, inside the car, outside the car. *39:00* I think they use a lot of it fairly well and it's still shot on film, so there's a texture to it that gives it a tangible feel as well this time around. *39:04* Yeah, and like I said, the way the scenes are all cut together too is some sometimes jarring, but for the most part I think they do a pretty decent job with it and they use the the cuts that they're making to *39:16* build up that tension during these sequences. *39:28* Like I think more about the one later in the movie where they're being chased by the cops and stuff like that. *39:30* And there's a there's there's some good uh editing in that sequence, I think, for the most part. *39:35* The crux of this movie's plot though is that it introduces the villain Carter Varone, who is uh somebody that uh Brian's former bosses, Agent Bilkins, uh, who is in the first movie, is uh *39:41* back and he's trying to get Paul Walker or I guess Brian O'Connor to come back and help out the uh help out the police once again to track down this uh *39:55* Carter fellow. *40:05* Uh they He sells drugs. *40:06* He's a drug boy. *40:08* He sells he sells drugs, but the way that they uh *40:09* The way they kind of intro that he's also like involved with street racing and things like that is kind of like wonky. *40:13* Like they're like, oh, we need to take down this drug lord, blah blah blah blah blah, also *40:19* Uh he's got uh street racers and stuff like that and he wants to use you guys for work. *40:23* It's just very the way in which they are saying that he can infiltrate this guy's like inner circle is very *40:27* odd and it doesn't make much sense, but you just kinda nod your head and you're like, okay, sure, we'll we'll go with this. *40:36* Um they've also got uh what's her name, Eva Mendez's character. *40:42* Is it Monica Fuentes? *40:46* Yeah *40:48* Uh she's already dispatched in as kind of an inside person working undercover for Carter. *40:48* Uh and that really goes *40:55* Nowhere. *40:58* Um But yeah, uh Brian ends up going and getting Roman, his old friend, back from California. *40:59* He enlists his help, then they go back to Miami and they're kind of on un uneasy terms with one another and they *41:06* Think about that. *41:12* They start in Miami, then they have to go all the way back to California just to get Roman, and then they go all the way back to Miami. *41:14* So there are two six-hour plane trips *41:20* Yeah, yeah, that's uh I would not want to do that personally because I do not like flying in the slightest. *41:24* But uh it doesn't really establish either that they go to *41:31* California. *41:35* It kind of like well all they do is say Boston. *41:36* Yeah, it does, but not it doesn't make it like super clear that that's where they're at. *41:38* Uh *41:43* 'Cause he just says, Oh, I know somebody and then the next scene it cuts in there in the demolition derby. *41:44* But Roman and him, like we said before, is them two being from the jump, those two being together is really the core of the movie. *41:49* Um him and Roman *41:56* Have the best lines, the best scenes with one another, and really it's everybody else around is kind of uh Yeah, not so much. *41:58* Um I let's talk about *42:07* Carter uh and Monica as characters. *42:10* Um because they're the really the two weak points, I think, of this for me. *42:14* Um Carter's just *42:20* Rich dude, drug lord, typical cookie cutter movie villain in a lot of ways. *42:23* And I think I think that's his biggest *42:28* undoing. *42:31* We also talked er before about the scene with the rat, and that whole sequence of five minutes there is really just meant to amplify his evilness and remind you, oh yeah, he's evil. *42:32* It's done so in such an awkward way. *42:45* Or maybe not awkward, but they really they just really throttle it up very quickly. *42:47* Like, oh, you don't think this guy is that evil? *42:51* I was gonna say they just punch the pedal, they just put it to the *42:54* Pedal of the metal there. *42:57* We're gonna have a rat chew through this man, and also he's gonna threaten to kill his girlfriend that he doesn't know as a cop yet *42:58* Um and so they just really make him like cartoonishly evil very, very quickly and suddenly and within a span of like ten minutes. *43:05* Which is fine, I guess, but it's just done so abruptly, and you can tell from a script *43:13* Rider perspective, like what they're doing, like, oh, we need to establish that this guy is not to be trifled with and that he very much is evil. *43:21* And it just seems very *43:28* Out of nowhere in some respects. *43:30* I think a difficult part of it is *43:34* His acts of villainy, his, you know, drug dealing and things like that, is all separate from him. *43:38* He you never see him commit the crime or talk about the crime, except for the rat torture scene in particular. *43:46* And I get *43:54* That that is also the issue that the cops are having, that they can't put him and the crime together, which is why they need to find this money and and put him and the money together so that they can arrest him properly and stuff. *43:55* But *44:08* He just he's just talked about as a bad dude and he gives off a corny you described it as like a mustache twirl kind of villainy like and *44:10* I think that's part of the weaknesses. *44:23* We never see him. *44:25* The movie he is just not sh doing anything bad. *44:27* He's just described as the villain. *44:30* And then suddenly it ramps to I will torture *44:32* Cops and kill my girlfriend, um so this gets caught. *44:36* And uh you still never see the drugs. *44:41* You do see six duffel bags of money, but that's it. *44:43* And so *44:47* There's just a disassociation between the crime and the person that I don't think ever really ends up connecting. *44:48* We're just supposed to accept him as the bad guy, and that's it. *44:56* I think the thing that if they wanted to make him come across as more like legitimately evil or *45:00* They wanted to sell they wanted to maybe ratchet up the viewers' tension towards him as a as the antagonist. *45:08* They could have levied uh Eva Mendez's character, Monica, a little bit more tactfully in this way. *45:14* I think her being an undercover cop makes no sense. *45:20* I think that you could remove that element of the plot and it would be totally fine because *45:24* If they could have just established it to where uh Roman and Brian go to this dude's compound, they meet her, and maybe her and *45:30* Her and uh Brian kind of have a connection right away and they get to know each other a little bit and then you find out the reason she's all flirty with him is because she's in an abusive relationship with him and he's horrible to her and she feels like she can't leave him because sh he's *45:39* obviously threatens her in this movie mo like I don't what point of her be and then and then she could still later in the movie go off and tip him off and be like, Hey, this is happening. *45:53* I need to let you know this. *46:02* Like, her being a cop really plays no role in this movie's *46:03* Stor story. *46:07* It does give her and Brian uh a point uh uh to relate on specifically. *46:09* They both were undercover cops and Brian does understand *46:16* what that can do to you. *46:20* And it does uh they say in the movie it makes Brian go native, um, you know, when he gives Dom the keys and stuff. *46:21* So there is that connection there and like, will she *46:28* quote unquote go native and will she turn on them. *46:31* But I think her being a cop, like under like they there's this plot thread throughout the movie involving her where they're like *46:34* She's been compromised. *46:41* She's with him now. *46:42* And like it is implied, like, no, they are very much together and they are a couple, but she's still undercover. *46:43* And it's like *46:48* So they introduce this element of it's of can we trust Monica? *46:50* Is she a trustworthy person? *46:54* Has she really been compromised by this relationship the the that she has with Carter, which is clearly *46:56* now romantically uh tied to him. *47:01* And they really never do anything with that. *47:04* The only way they explain it away is just her going to uh Brian later and being like, Oh, you're in trouble. *47:06* So that's just kind of the way their way of showing like *47:12* Oh, she's not really compromised by her relationship with him. *47:16* She's still gonna do her job and is still gonna look out for Brian and Roman. *47:19* But at the same time *47:22* Why are you romantically involved with this guy? *47:24* Like it's it's a very strange thing that they don't ever really explain in any manner. *47:27* And the only person that doesn't trust her is Roman. *47:34* Because he just doesn't trust cops. *47:37* Paul never doubted her. *47:40* But it's such a strong. *47:41* It's such a weird it's such a weird uh thought process from *47:44* The police the police's perspective too, like hey, go off and uh become sexually involved with this crime lord so that we can in undercover ever starts out as become sexually involved. *47:47* But like that's what it was, uh, in this movie. *48:00* Like how I guess how was she supposed to infiltrate his inner circle? *48:03* Like that's that's the other thing. *48:08* They don't really ever explain how she was embedded within this group. *48:09* They're just like, oh yeah, we have an inside person, it's her. *48:13* And then when you see what her role is, it's just I'm his girlfriend. *48:15* So it's not like she is ever shown to really do anything for the organization. *48:20* It's just she just sits around his mansion and is his *48:25* girlfriend and she gives out a couple orders there in the one scene like everybody give us your licenses or whatever and that's about it. *48:28* She does nothing else. *48:35* Yeah her *48:37* like actual police work side of it is not really explored because the movie is focusing on on uh Brian and Roman. *48:38* It's *48:47* Yeah, I'm not sure. *48:49* I just don't think she needed she just didn't need to be a cop. *48:50* I think if she's not a cop, it would have hit that much harder. *48:53* Or maybe not that much harder, but I I I think it would have I think the s *48:56* squ the script would have still worked, that you could have had her and Brian the key important things of her character is that she has a connection with Brian. *48:59* She tells Brian and Roman and warns them when Carter's gonna try to kill them later. *49:05* And that's about the only important things she does. *49:10* And I think you could have still had her do that not as a cop. *49:13* Like I I just it just feels feels a little *49:18* Strange in her character. *49:21* I do think it robs of the shared ground between it truly then just does make her an object of attraction. *49:24* I'm not saying that's a great moving character, but I mean I feel like that's what she kinda is in the first place in this movie. *49:32* They're just like, who's a hot chick we could put in this movie? *49:38* And because they've got plenty of scenes with her *49:41* wearing crop tops or sitting by the pool in a bikini. *49:43* Sure. *49:46* Uh so they've got plenty of shots of Eva Mendez just looking hot in this movie as uh as she is. *49:47* She's pretty good looking in this *49:54* We give credit. *49:55* Uh good job, Ryan Gosling. *49:57* But yeah, away o away from her, I guess, and away from Carter. *49:59* Uh *50:04* What else is there to break down with I I I guess do you have anything to say about the cops in this movie? *50:04* I like Bilkin's returning. *50:10* He's just he's good comedic relief on the police side of the plot. *50:11* That's *50:16* That's really it. *50:17* The other guy from uh was it Customs, the customs agent that is going at it with Roman the whole movie. *50:18* Uh Markham. *50:24* Agent Markham. *50:25* Yeah. *50:26* Him and Roman going at it is kind of not that *50:27* Interesting. *50:32* They try to make it this tension between the two of them, but it's never really all that. *50:32* I don't know. *50:37* Roman just straight up tries to blast him. *50:38* He says, so anyway, I started firing. *50:41* It's a great scene to maintain the cover though. *50:45* It's it's fun, it's tense, and reveals that their cars are being GPS tracked as well. *50:47* So *50:52* But yeah, the cops, I I feel like yeah, Billkins feels like he's really just co comedic relief. *50:53* Like that the scene comes to my mind where he's eating popcorn as he watches them fight in front of the *50:57* the trailer there. *51:02* Uh really don't do too much throughout the movie. *51:04* Other than that, a lot of the other scenes in the movie don't really I will I will give this movie credit that it incorporates quite a few *51:07* different racing scenes and different uh like there's a lot of scenes in this movie that do involve cars running around and racing, far more than the last movie, which felt like it was just the big *51:14* uh kind of there was a scene at the end where they jump in front of the train obviously and then there's the scene with the semi *51:28* in the previous film. *51:36* Other than that, this movie has the opening race sequence. *51:37* It's got the the uh race sequence later when they race for slips. *51:40* It's got the scene where they're running from the cops. *51:44* It's got the big scene later with all the hundreds of cars running around all over the place. *51:46* The um *51:51* The ra the job application race where they have to go to the boatyard. *51:52* Yep. *51:56* Yep. *51:56* And they're all different types of races as well. *51:57* One is a straight up circuit and the opening, one is, you know *52:00* Down and back tag team style. *52:04* One is, you know, first to destination. *52:05* One is escaping cops. *52:08* So they fit one is injecto cuz, which leads to jumping onto a boat. *52:10* Yeah, so they'd use racing and different types of races, I think, effectively, and each one has impact on the narrative. *52:15* It's not like race wars where *52:23* Letty racing someone that doesn't have any imp impact on the plot. *52:26* Yeah. *52:31* And again, even that is just them strag racing in a straight line and she hits the NAS and Pew. *52:31* That's about it. *52:37* Uh so I think I think this movie actually has pretty decent pacing because despite all the problems I was mentioning with like *52:39* Carter not being a great villain and Monica being somewhat of a pointless character and like between Roman and Brian's good back and forth and their banter throughout the whole movie *52:46* That combined with the fact that you're getting like a new racing action scene of some sort every probably like fifteen to twenty minutes. *52:56* I feel like the movie goes really fast and it's got a good sort of pace. *53:04* Yeah. *53:10* So I I I in that regard I didn't really feel like *53:11* it was ever dragging or the things that I do have the biggest problem with with the movie weren't constantly put in front of my face. *53:14* There's also, we forgot to mention the most important race, jet skis. *53:22* There is a jet ski scene briefly for like two seconds in the background. *53:26* I almost didn't mention that actually *53:32* Tej is uh is a racer of all sorts, apparently. *53:34* Or he's uh circuit man. *53:38* He's a circuit man of all sorts, even if those circuits are on the water. *53:39* Mm-hmm. *53:43* Yeah, I guess the only other thing to really mention would be the sort of *53:44* Climax scenes in particular, if you want to touch on those. *53:49* The scene where they're running away and then the hundreds of cars spill out. *53:53* of the garage thanks to the help of Tej and all the local street racers. *53:58* The scramble. *54:03* Yes, the big scrambling sequence of all the cars. *54:04* Uh and then we've got the scene where they do jump onto the boat, which I know is the biggest climax of the film. *54:08* We were talking when we were watching like the the scene with them all spilling out of the garages *54:16* It's not that crazy to watch. *54:21* It's more just crazy how they shot it. *54:23* Like I I wonder how much coordination that took to where you're not running into one another. *54:25* And they're driving pretty *54:32* Like moderately quickly. *54:34* Like it didn't look like they were like inching along there going five miles an hour. *54:36* Like they were they're kinda zipping around just a tad bit. *54:40* But yeah, that that was impressive, and I wonder what that was like to shoot *54:43* It's one of the moments. *54:47* Oh look, there's a how we got the cars and how it was filmed. *54:50* Um I might watch that later. *54:54* This is kind of the I think the power of practicality. *54:56* It's convincing. *55:01* It's energetic. *55:03* Um later on in the movies there are plenty of scenes with lots of cars. *55:04* that are all CG and it it it pulls you out, definitely. *55:10* And and you'll know what I'm talking we'll talk about when we get there. *55:14* But this is just *55:17* You do it's a good bait and switch. *55:20* You don't necessarily know where Brian and Roman and the You know they've set up a plan of some sort uh with Tez. *55:22* Right. *55:30* Like they established that beforehand, but you don't know what that entails. *55:31* It's cool to see it play out because it is a part of this whole chase. *55:34* We've we've gone to the trailer park, we've we've taken the money out. *55:38* The cop has um *55:42* you know, rescinded his word, and now the cops are chasing them, the local PD with customs kind of following. *55:45* So there's that whole chase, which is is fun. *55:51* A good cop chase in movies is is is a good time. *55:53* Then the scramble, so now we've got this bait and switch going on. *55:57* Yeah. *56:01* And then later we learn that uh it's not the airfield. *56:01* So *56:05* uh Varone has lied to uh or, you know, leaked information to find kind of who the mole is. *56:06* So there's that tension of where are we going, which then leads into this whole boat. *56:12* And it's I think it's a good ramping *56:17* of the final set piece, as it were, kind of the whole set piece is kind of chunks. *56:20* You can even think of it *56:27* I'm just gonna say it because I've played these games a lot. *56:29* It's almost like a big uncharted set piece overall of a level where it's *56:32* You know, look at Libertal or in the Madagascar. *56:38* It's like, ah, we've got a climb up. *56:41* Oh the bell fell. *56:42* Now we've got a puzzle kind of pacing. *56:44* Now there's the shootout. *56:45* And then there's the truck chasing us. *56:47* And then we swing on the rope and now we're being dragged by the truck. *56:49* And then the motorcycle part, like it ramps, right? *56:52* And I think this is similar in that way of it *56:56* It ramps at an appropriate pace and ends with a very cool scene of a boat flying or a car flying onto a boat. *56:58* You've got Brian falling out of his car driving with the tip of his to the tip of his toes on his converse. *57:07* Keeping the gas down while the guy he's driving with says he can't drive. *57:15* Yes. *57:20* It is *57:22* It's well done, I think. *57:23* I do think the funniest part about the boat jump at the end, which I mention it which uh we talked about a bit, is that they jump onto the boat and it smashes onto the boat. *57:25* And Carter jumps up with the shotgun and they shoot him, and then that's the end of it. *57:37* Because and the only reason I think that's funny is because in most other movies *57:42* Like if this was a James Bond movie or any any other action sequence, John Wick, something like that, jumping onto the boat would only be part one of that whole sequence and then you'd have them jump out of the car and it'd lead to a huge shootout *57:47* scene of some sort on the boat, but nope, this is Fast and Furious. *58:01* It starts and ends with the cars at least, and so *58:06* Once the jump is done, we have a quick little shootout there real fast, and then it's kind of just that's it. *58:09* That's all that's all we really need to see. *58:15* Uh this is a de escalates very quickly. *58:17* Yeah, this is not a a film where you're gonna see uh Brian jump out of the car and proceed to take down five henchmen and Carter doing all kinds of karate moves and shooting and stuff like that. *58:20* It was very much just nope *58:32* Here's the car flying through the air and it smacks onto this yacht and that's all we got for you. *58:34* Uh which I kind of appreciated it. *58:39* I I was really expecting that scene to go on much longer and it really *58:42* Uh did not. *58:46* It was very much it was done after that. *58:47* Uh movie obviously wraps up, suggests that Roman and Brian are gonna be sticking together. *58:50* Uh which seems like it's setting up how they'll come back together with Dom later on. *58:55* Uh Roman clears his name and gets on the good side of the cops by giving them all the money *59:01* Sort of. *59:06* He keeps some of it for themselves. *59:07* Pockets ain't empty. *59:09* They agree to stay in Miami. *59:11* Uh and then Eva Mendez stares back at Brian longingly for some reason. *59:13* Uh the thing I'm most interested in seeing *59:18* I said I already asked you this, uh, and you already told me that it she shows back up in some of the later movies, or at least one of them, and I'm just curious to see *59:21* what that one is and how she shows back up or if it's just a cameo appearance of some sort, which is kind of what my guess would be. *59:30* I I don't think she would be majorly involved in any of the plots of the future films, but hey, I don't know *59:37* She might just show up for fun at some point. *59:44* But you told me she's in one of the future movies, and I'm curious to see what that looks like because she is such a forgettable character in this movie, to be honest. *59:46* So yeah, I'm excited for you to see how she's brought back back in and the other characters as well, uh specifically Tej and Roman. *59:57* Yeah. *01:00:06* This movie *01:00:06* feels like an isolation, a side story, as it were. *01:00:09* But what's important is who comes out of it. *01:00:13* And that's, I think *01:00:16* One of the best parts of this. *01:00:19* It's just It sets up it sets up Roman very, very well. *01:00:20* Like if Roman is like you you mentioned to me before we started watching this, like, oh you're gonna meet more family members. *01:00:24* If the point of this film is to just simply grow the cast of characters that will then be part of the larger family that we see in the back ca in the *01:00:30* in the latter five or six movies in the franchise where things get really explosive, then that's fine. *01:00:40* And I think as like a character intro for Roman, this movie is good. *01:00:45* Like it's a fairly strong character intro film for him *01:00:49* Tej not so much. *01:00:53* I don't think he's bad, but I just think he doesn't get a lot to do, really. *01:00:54* He's just this guy who owns a garage and this guy who organizes all these races and *01:00:59* helps organize the whole car scramble thing at the end. *01:01:04* He's just somebody that Brian just sort of goes to for help every now and then and that's about it. *01:01:07* He doesn't get a whole lot to do otherwise. *01:01:12* You'll see how his role expands obviously in the future. *01:01:14* Yeah. *01:01:17* The *01:01:18* Overall, plot wise, like it is forgettable, sure. *01:01:19* Especially the plot itself, the plot itself is not great, but that's kind of what I mentioned is like *01:01:25* They do a good job of distracting you from the plot and the pointlessness of why is this character in this or why is this happening or why is this going on? *01:01:30* They distract you with that constantly by dropping in these *01:01:38* car racing sequences car racing sequences or action set pieces or whatever. *01:01:42* And some of those don't always make the most sense or they seem a little bit forced. *01:01:47* Uh the one I think about the most is when they're like, our cars are being tracked. *01:01:52* Well we gotta race for new cars then. *01:01:56* Like that's a little goofy. *01:01:58* Uh that that that scene feels a little bit forced in particular. *01:02:00* But yeah, it's just a good thing. *01:02:05* It's a good race that has some artificial tension. *01:02:06* Yes. *01:02:09* With, you know, we're in the back, so how are we gonna win? *01:02:09* And creative driving shows Brian. *01:02:12* in sort of a creative and leadership role between the two of them definitely has his head on a bit more straight than Roman. *01:02:15* The pace is good *01:02:21* It's fun, which, you know, I think is very important for all of these movies is a level of fun. *01:02:23* And *01:02:30* The setting, the cars, it's all wrapped up. *01:02:31* And again, I definitely have a bias for sure as the first one I've seen, but *01:02:35* I think it's a good movie. *01:02:41* Not the best, but it is good. *01:02:42* And it's if it was on TV, I'd sit and watch it. *01:02:45* Like it's got this fun, just like, ah, breezy feel to it. *01:02:48* Kind of like Miami *01:02:52* I don't know if I'd say good, but I wouldn't say it's bad either. *01:02:54* And I don't know if I'd say it's like fine. *01:02:57* I don't know. *01:03:00* It's like a st it's like a hair below good. *01:03:01* I guess. *01:03:04* I don't know if I would say it's good enough for me to like rewatch this movie multiple times over for the years for years to come, but I didn't hate it by any means. *01:03:05* So I I think it's just sort of *01:03:15* It's definitely not something you want to like uh too fast, too furious, like we gotta watch it. *01:03:17* It's like and I thought that's how it would be if I'm being honest. *01:03:24* That's kind of what I was expecting *01:03:27* Based on all the response. *01:03:29* This fresh perspective of kind of you can better age how something like this is you can better gauge how something like this is aged. *01:03:31* I've *01:03:41* I can't. *01:03:42* And up to hear you say that it wasn't as bad as you had feared, it comes to me as very positive that maybe I'm not as crazy as I Again though, like I said before, I think some of that is very much *01:03:42* Rose tinted glasses not for this movie, but for this era of movies. *01:03:55* Like it is there's like a certain level of comfort. *01:04:00* When I watch this, I'm like, oh, this reminds me of a lot of the movies I was watching when I was 10 years old. *01:04:04* So there's like they don't make them like this anymore. *01:04:09* They don't, that's for sure. *01:04:13* Let's talk a little bit more. *01:04:16* I think we've naturally touched on a lot of things. *01:04:17* Uh the stunts in uh the uh *01:04:19* The effects used in the movie, the CGI and stuff like that. *01:04:23* I think we touched on a lot of that. *01:04:26* I don't know if you had anything else you wanted to say. *01:04:28* Again, it's kind of *01:04:30* Awkward how they splice in some of the CG cars sometimes, but I think there's a sort of flow to those sequences to where it never feels too *01:04:32* Like you're watching a video game. *01:04:41* Uh and and even then when they do, I think the opening scene is the one where it is the most readily apparent with the opening uh race around the city. *01:04:43* Uh and that's not like that's just for fun. *01:04:53* Like that's just the opening scene of the movie to just kind of get things going. *01:04:57* So it's not so distracting that you feel *01:05:00* Like it's pulling you out of the experience or pulling you out of the movie. *01:05:03* It's just there for the heck of it, sort of. *01:05:07* So Yeah, I'd agree *01:05:09* I think we've touched on all that. *01:05:11* Editing, yeah, that kind of goes the same thing. *01:05:13* They the way they splice all of it together. *01:05:15* I did want to let's also touch on the uh music, sound design, and all that good stuff here. *01:05:18* Uh anything about this soundtrack really stand out to you? *01:05:24* Again, I think the licensed music that's used is *01:05:29* Uh again, it's just nostalgic for that time period. *01:05:32* I just think it's amazing. *01:05:35* The opening Too Fast, Too Furious themes song that they have is also pretty great. *01:05:38* Act a fool. *01:05:44* What was the other one in here? *01:05:46* Too fast, too furious. *01:05:47* It's just very good use of that kind of time. *01:05:50* It's definitely one of the movies and soundtracks of the times like *01:05:53* What rappers can we get to just make a soundtrack that goes with this movie? *01:05:56* And obviously it starts ludicrous, so ludicrous is *01:06:01* uh on quite a few tracks in this. *01:06:04* And you'll this is also sort of a theme going forward, more so a single in in movies. *01:06:06* Um *01:06:13* But the soundtracks become part of the identity of future films. *01:06:14* And there are the singles that really break through a lot of the Wiz Khalifa ones in kind of the middle of the series here. *01:06:19* So *01:06:27* While I don't really remember the fast and furious soundtrack all that well, Too Fast Too Furious is definitely a piece of *01:06:28* that time and there are some songs on here that I still enjoy today. *01:06:36* Now am I listening to this every day? *01:06:40* No. *01:06:42* But driving around town listening to Act a Fool. *01:06:42* Yeah, no. *01:06:46* No, not me. *01:06:47* But *01:06:48* This I when these songs come on in the movie, I get excited. *01:06:49* And uh that is definitely just piece of the soundtrack has the soundtrack has a lot of *01:06:53* Interesting people on it. *01:07:00* It's got Ludacris, obviously, like you mentioned, but then it's also got Two Chains, R. *01:07:01* Kelly, uh Tyrese is on a song. *01:07:06* Uh Joe Button. *01:07:09* We've got *01:07:11* We've got Fat Joe. *01:07:13* We've got Pit Bull does one of the tracks. *01:07:14* Yeah, some Miami representation in there for Mr. *01:07:17* Worldwide himself. *01:07:21* So there's a lot of people in this soundtrack that are very much, yeah, uh it's it's a good mix of people, uh especially hip-hop-wise, that you would think about with that early 2000s era for sure. *01:07:23* Um *01:07:35* So yeah, again, it just kinda I don't have any love for any of the specific songs in this movie by any means, but I it just *01:07:37* Warm feelings for that era and reminds me of what I was hearing on the radio or what people were into that I was going to school with as a kid *01:07:45* Stuff like that. *01:07:52* I think that's largely it for the main pillars of the movie, unless there's anything else you can think of that we're forgetting here. *01:07:53* Um, I know we're gonna do our best car. *01:08:01* I I think that's where no, I think best car is where we're at. *01:08:05* Alright, then let's do it. *01:08:09* The best car in the movie. *01:08:10* This is something that we have uh decided to do here uh with all of these episodes throughout this season. *01:08:12* And it's very straightforward. *01:08:19* What is the best car in this film, Max? *01:08:20* There is more cars in this movie for sure. *01:08:22* Um at least more standout cars. *01:08:24* Standout for sure. *01:08:28* Absolutely. *01:08:29* Way more iconic designs. *01:08:29* But again, this is fairly s locked and loaded for me. *01:08:31* And if you're looking at the podcast art for this particular episode, you already know what my favorite car is. *01:08:35* It is uh the 1999 Nissan Nissan Skyline GTR. *01:08:42* Um in the beginning of the movie is Brian's car. *01:08:47* It's silver and blue with some blue underlights. *01:08:49* This car is awesome. *01:08:53* What happens to this? *01:08:55* Do they establish that? *01:08:57* Or I guess he just gets arrested, doesn't he? *01:08:58* And maybe Yeah, I guess arrested and in the impound bot. *01:09:01* Um, I will say that I had a little RC car, the micro machines that you could like customize and change little parts out and stuff. *01:09:04* And we had some Fast and Furious like body kits that would go over the top. *01:09:13* I did have the Supra, the Toyota Supra, the brown one. *01:09:18* I had that shell, but the skyline is absolutely my favorite car in this movie. *01:09:22* Uh I think it's definitely the best. *01:09:27* What about you? *01:09:30* What do you think? *01:09:31* It's kind of a toss-up because I like a lot of the old school cars for sure, which I know is weird to say because we've got a lot of these cars are identifiable with this era. *01:09:32* Um *01:09:41* I like the Dodge the 1970 Dodge Challenger that is used, the one of the ones that they race for uh for slips with. *01:09:42* Yes. *01:09:48* The orange one, I believe. *01:09:48* It is. *01:09:49* It's a really cool looking car. *01:09:50* I look I like old school. *01:09:51* uh challengers. *01:09:53* But I do have to agree the coolest one is definitely the 1999 Nissan Skyline. *01:09:54* That car is very *01:09:59* When you see it whipping around the corners there in the opening scene, and then it it's they gave him the coolest car of the bunch, I believe, in that opening sequence. *01:10:01* And I don't know what it is about it that I like so much. *01:10:12* Uh obviously the but you got the blue racing stripes on it and stuff like that. *01:10:15* Uh but it's kind of *01:10:19* It's kind of duller compared to the other ones, but it's just I think it really is those blue underlights that really make it pop in that scene that it's in. *01:10:21* It's the the silver. *01:10:30* Um *01:10:32* the spoiler, all that stuff really sells it for me. *01:10:33* This has just got It matches Paul Walker's eyes very well. *01:10:37* Mm-hmm. *01:10:40* It's just got a good energy to it and I think it looks slick on the road. *01:10:41* It's fun. *01:10:45* It's his personality through and through. *01:10:47* I love this car so much. *01:10:50* Yeah, it's definitely the best one. *01:10:52* I'm with you. *01:10:54* Last thing, let's talk about the legacy of this film before we wrap up here in *01:10:55* close out where do you think this mov what do you think this movie's legacy is nowadays? *01:11:00* We talked about how the first one was very much just the starting point for the franchise. *01:11:05* If that was the *01:11:09* Starting point, then what is this one's legacy? *01:11:10* Yeah, you can speak to the larger franchise. *01:11:13* I cannot, obviously, at this point. *01:11:15* The legacy is *01:11:18* Brian and Roman and Tez. *01:11:21* Um, that's the obvious answer because they are the only ones that are carrying through forward. *01:11:25* And then Monica as well. *01:11:30* She's also in the future. *01:11:32* So *01:11:34* That's the the legacy of this film, in a g a broader sense. *01:11:36* Personally, it *01:11:42* It's the movie that started the Fast and Furious for me, and so I'll forever be indebted to it in a in a strange way. *01:11:44* I'm sure I eventually would have seen *01:11:51* Tokyo Drift or or Fast and Furious or Fast Five. *01:11:53* Like at some point I would have seen these movies, but the nature that surrounded how I came became exposed to this series. *01:11:56* will always be intricately tied to this one that's in Miami, which I've lived in Florida the last thirteen *01:12:05* years or so of my life, so there's that angle to it as well. *01:12:13* Not that I've been to Miami a bunch. *01:12:17* It's there's just a difference in this movie and that I think makes it *01:12:19* Unforgettable in a similar way, Tokyo Drift is, because Tokyo Drift is in Japan, has this sort of angle, it's segmented in a way from the rest of the franchise. *01:12:25* And *01:12:34* You know, I'll always I'll always have a soft spot for Too Fast, Too Furious. *01:12:36* They do do a good job. *01:12:40* I we we haven't really mentioned that, but I I I feel like the *01:12:42* Vibes between this movie and Fast One are very distinct from one another. *01:12:45* The first one definitely feels I mean obviously and they're shooting them in different locations. *01:12:49* Duh. *01:12:54* But they do do a great job of making them feel like they are set in completely different parts of the country. *01:12:54* One they have different *01:13:01* vibes to them in that sense. *01:13:03* And obviously they're filming on location. *01:13:05* I think the first one was filmed in LA and this one was filmed in in Miami. *01:13:07* So naturally that's gonna come through but the culture of the place it's in. *01:13:11* Yes, that too. *01:13:15* Yes, very much so. *01:13:16* Um It's hard for me to speak about the legacy too much with this one again because I don't *01:13:18* Have larger context for all the others. *01:13:24* So far I would just say the legacy of this one in my eye in my mind is uh this is just a typical sequel. *01:13:26* for uh movie studios back in the day. *01:13:34* And I don't know how it's viewed nowadays, but this very much feels like the first one came out. *01:13:36* And w who who releases this? *01:13:44* Is it Universal? *01:13:46* Universal. *01:13:47* Um Universal was like, Oh hey, this movie did better than we thought. *01:13:48* Let's screen light a sequel and get it out within two years and they rushed this out. *01:13:51* And that rushing was not did not lead to a bad movie. *01:13:55* But it just feels emblematic of, hey, this thing did pretty well. *01:13:59* Let's make another one of those. *01:14:03* And then they did that. *01:14:05* And they found a story and threw it all together quickly. *01:14:06* And *01:14:09* Uh they got Paul Walker back, but they couldn't get Vin Diesel back, and then this is the movie that came about as a result. *01:14:09* Uh within the larger context of the series, I'm going to guess this feels somewhat like the Black Sheep. *01:14:16* But again, it does a good job of introducing the things that I think that I know will carry forward, which is Roman, Brian and Roman's relationship, um, and then just I I I assume how they eventually *01:14:20* meet back up with Dominim has to do with things that happen in this movie. *01:14:33* Um so again I can't speak too much to the larger *01:14:38* legacy of what this film is. *01:14:43* Nowadays I think this film's legacy is probably that it's one of the lower ones on the list that people never rewatch or want to rewatch. *01:14:45* But I think on its own it's totally fine and it's worth *01:14:53* I don't know if I want to say it's worth revisiting, but again, I did not hate watching it. *01:14:58* And I think it's fine if you're totally watching this with a fresh perspective to come in for the first time. *01:15:03* experience this. *01:15:09* You don't have to dread watching this by any means. *01:15:10* So well, I think that wraps up our discussion on Too Fast, Too Furious. *01:15:13* Thank you so much for listening. *01:15:19* You can um follow the show on Twitter at Chapter Select. *01:15:20* and listen to the rest of our episodes on the Fast and the Furious here and previous seasons. *01:15:24* You can follow Logan on Twitter at Moreman12 and his writing over at comicbook. *01:15:29* com. *01:15:34* You can follow myself on Twitter at Max Roberts143 and my writing over at maxfrequency. *01:15:34* net. *01:15:40* And until next time, adios. *01:15:41* Bye-bye. *01:15:45* Chapter Select is a max frequency production. *01:15:46* This episode was researched, produced, and edited by me, Max Roberts. *01:15:49* Season four is hosted by Logan Moore and myself. *01:15:54* Season four is all about the fast and the furious. *01:15:57* For more on this season, go to chapterselect. *01:16:01* com forward slash season four. *01:16:04* Follow the show at Chapter Select and check out previous seasons at chapterselect. *01:16:06* com. *01:16:12* Don't stop yet. *01:16:13* Did you stop? *01:16:16* No. *01:16:17* Okay. *01:16:18* I was gonna say don't stop yet. *01:16:18* Because there was one other legacy thing I didn't mention, but I felt we were at a natural stopping point, so I didn't want to bring it up. *01:16:20* The name of the movie. *01:16:27* Oh yeah, duh. *01:16:29* Two fear. *01:16:31* We do need to talk about this. *01:16:33* I'll put this this will be a post show. *01:16:35* Cause you wanna put it post show? *01:16:37* I'll put splice it in the middle. *01:16:39* No, I'll put post show in. *01:16:41* This is hil- The name of the movie is one of the most iconic things from the film. *01:16:43* Yeah, it is. *01:16:49* I was like, I finally seen Too Fast, Too Furious. *01:16:55* the film that everybody dupes on all the time with then with the name. *01:16:58* I mean we even uh that's why I told you to open the show with two chapter two select. *01:17:02* Uh it is *01:17:06* I mean really they've only come close to repeating that with Fast Five. *01:17:08* Great time. *01:17:13* Great, great name. *01:17:13* Furious seven's bad. *01:17:16* Fate of the Furious is bad because they didn't do F eight. *01:17:17* They had the opportunity with *01:17:20* F Fate of the Furious. *01:17:23* It just had to be F-8. *01:17:25* That's it. *01:17:26* F-8 of the Furious of the Furious. *01:17:27* That's all they had to do. *01:17:30* They were so close. *01:17:32* What is the worst what is the worst title probably? *01:17:34* Nine? *01:17:37* Because the formal title is F9, the fast saga. *01:17:38* I think so it's either it's either nine, I think four. *01:17:41* Fast and furious. *01:17:46* Fast and furious. *01:17:47* It's pretty. *01:17:48* Because the only differentiator is the those. *01:17:49* And you don't know if you're referring to the series or as a whole or the individual movie. *01:17:52* So I think those are probably the weakest. *01:17:57* I also think *01:17:59* Fast and Furious 6 is pretty plain. *01:18:00* Yes. *01:18:04* It's not at least Furious 7 chose one of the two. *01:18:04* Um and coming off of Fast Five, it made sense to have a movie with Furious as the main word. *01:18:08* Isn't the next one Fast X? *01:18:13* Uh yes, Fast X, Fast Ten is the one in May. *01:18:16* I like that title, uh just cause it's *01:18:20* So ridiculous. *01:18:23* Is the next one gonna is this next one a two parter or is there gonna be fascinating? *01:18:24* There are two movies I don't believe *01:18:28* it is like a two-parter in the sense of Deathly Hollows or It is though in the way that they've said that the next two really tie together, but I don't know if they're gonna c make them individual movies or parts or what the deal is. *01:18:31* Or they're obviously individual movies, but I don't know if it's going to be like a Infinity War in-game type thing where there are two different movies, but they obviously go very much hand in hand. *01:18:45* Yeah, I don't believe so *01:18:54* So the fast saga will conclude with the tenth and eleventh episodes uh or movies but look at this although the Romanian has produced a lesser replacement a week later *01:18:56* Estimated production budget of three hundred million, it ranks as the fifth joint fifth most expensive film ever made. *01:19:07* Holy smokes. *01:19:13* Yeah, um the name of this movie is awesome. *01:19:15* It is very good, and I'm glad you mentioned it because we absolutely need to bring it up. *01:19:19* Uh I totally forgot about that. *01:19:24* That is absolutely hands down the most iconic thing that's. *01:19:26* And we hungry? *01:19:31* It's definitely the title though. *01:19:33* The title still has like a sticking place in *01:19:35* Culture. *01:19:38* Mm-hmm. *01:19:39* Cause it's so good. *01:19:40* Bad. *01:19:43* It's so bad that it's good. *01:19:43* It's so bad that it's good. *01:19:45* It's very early 2000s. *01:19:47* Step aside, Empire Strikes Back. *01:19:53* The king of sequel names has been crowned. *01:19:56*