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Enjoy. --- Alright, if there's a problem with it, just tell me. *00:00* Because we're not gonna record another one after this for a while. *00:03* But when I'm looking at my waveforms, it's like peaking a lot. *00:05* Well I mean we're gonna record another podcast on s Saturday prop maybe. *00:08* Yeah. *00:16* But after that. *00:16* I'm on the fourth gym. *00:17* I'm on the fourth gym, by the way. *00:18* Okay. *00:19* Well I figured your detour today into the tundra. *00:20* I didn't go to tundra, I went to the Isle of Armor. *00:24* Oh, well, you know. *00:27* I might do the Tundra later *00:28* I would like to dab with the DLC. *00:29* I have one more fight and I'll finish the main game post game and then I could dabble with the DLC. *00:33* How extensive is that? *00:40* Main game post-game? *00:42* Not extensive at all. *00:45* It's like the rest like the main game *00:47* Okay. *00:51* I mean the main game's not short, but I am and I am moving through it pretty briskly. *00:52* It's brisk. *00:57* It should have been called Pokemon Briskin Speedy. *00:59* Hmm. *01:02* Oh scarlet and violet looked good though. *01:03* Mm-hmm. *01:06* I'm enjoying this game. *01:07* Honestly. *01:09* We'll see. *01:10* We'll we'll see our discussion. *01:11* No one's gonna hear this. *01:13* Wait, no, people could hear this. *01:14* Because by the time membership comes out, they'll know Pokemon's it. *01:16* I don't think anybody will want to. *01:19* No, no one wants to. *01:21* Um I mean I'm enjoying it just because I told you once I started playing it, I would get it would get its hooks into me and then you'd be like, oh, okay. *01:23* I just had to start. *01:31* playing again and get past that initial hurdle of playing and now like every time I have a down moment I'm like I'm gonna play Pokemon now. *01:33* Yeah. *01:43* I will say too the other thing this has nothing to do with that game proper, but me p us playing a later gen now and seeing all these other Pokemon from all the other gjins. *01:43* I keep seeing Pokemon, I'm like, I want that one. *01:55* I want that one. *01:57* But I obviously know we're gonna put go play all those other gens soon, so I'm like taking mental notes of like what I want to get in the video. *01:58* For your other video things. *02:04* If we do *02:06* If you do finish in time, do you want to record our battle on Saturday too? *02:09* Just knock that out with it. *02:13* That one will both just record *02:16* Um our game catch. *02:22* It's not got anything else going on. *02:27* Probably just sit around and we'll watch. *02:29* Can you have your capture set up in your office? *02:31* Whatever card that is and stuff? *02:33* Um *02:36* May yes, I think. *02:39* Yeah. *02:41* And I could probably do it through my laptop. *02:41* That would be easier. *02:43* Just have my laptop setting up over here and *02:44* Yeah, whatever. *02:46* We need two of them. *02:49* We don't need to see what each of us is doing. *02:50* No, I'd like it. *02:52* You want to see what each of us are doing? *02:53* Yeah, because then if there's drama *02:55* Like you could see like the way like what we're choosing and stuff. *02:56* I think there could be maybe like there could be or when we're picking Pokemon, like you could just have it pop up or whatever. *02:59* I think it it gives me more options dynamically. *03:05* I mean either way, I feel like there's more drama. *03:08* Not knowing what one of us is gonna do. *03:11* Yeah, but that's one-sided. *03:14* And if it's on my side, I'm obviously the one at a disadvantage. *03:16* Not necessarily. *03:21* Come on. *03:22* Let's just be honest here. *03:23* I'm always at a disadvantage in our fights. *03:24* Only because you don't know the typings. *03:27* Exactly. *03:29* So yeah, well that'll be fun though. *03:31* I'm excited. *03:34* I've spent a lot of time thinking about my team and how crappy it is. *03:35* So *03:39* Did you uh did you ever find an apple thing? *03:41* No, I tried *03:46* And saw like the percentage of it showing up was like ten percent or five. *03:48* I assume you have to shake the trees. *03:54* Is that what you have to do? *03:55* And *04:02* After about fifteen encounters, I said, No, not worth it. *04:03* I went to uh uh one of my Pokemon on my team is pretty rare and it has like a five to ten percent spawn rate and it was like you have to go to this one patch of grass *04:06* And it's the earliest possible time you can get it, but it's got a really low spawn rate. *04:16* And I was like, okay. *04:20* And literally the second patch of grass I ran into it popped up, and I was like, oh cool, here it is. *04:21* And then I caught it. *04:26* No, I was not I was not that lucky. *04:29* I had a couple I had this one top Pokemon I wanted to catch super bad. *04:32* It's a giant anchor, like a ghost anchor. *04:38* I was like, that looks dope. *04:43* It's probably like I think that's in Sun and Moon too. *04:44* I was like, wow, this is dope. *04:48* It's probably like a water Pokemon, maybe a water ghost or something. *04:50* Like that'll be a *04:52* great addition for ghost grass ghost grass and I went but Logan I had it at one health one did you paralyze it or put it to sleep? *04:53* Tried to *05:06* kept hitting me. *05:07* I think actually I did at one point put it to sleep. *05:09* Or no, paralyzed it 'cause I still had my electric dog thing at the time. *05:13* Paralyzed one health. *05:17* Ultra balls. *05:19* Great balls. *05:20* Dusk balls, turn balls. *05:22* What level was it? *05:25* This is around forty-fifty-ish. *05:27* I mean a forty. *05:30* It's probably forties. *05:31* I don't think I've had anything break out so far in my game. *05:33* It would not stay in the ball. *05:36* I've had that before. *05:40* And I just I finally was like, screw this Pokemon. *05:41* And then I looked up its typing and went, I don't even want you, because you're grass for some reason. *05:44* That's what A. *05:48* That's what s *05:49* That's what sucks is that I think Grookey is the best starter of the bunch in this game, like by far. *05:50* I think the Intellion thing or whatever I th I hate that thing. *05:55* I think it looks terrible. *05:59* It does. *06:00* Um *06:01* I would choose Scorebunny over that. *06:02* I think the water type's the worst. *06:03* But yeah, I I think Grookey is the best starter of the bunch *06:05* So then I'm inclined to choose Grookey, and then you look throughout the game and it's like, oh, there are grass types galore in this video. *06:10* If I had known there were that many grass types in the game *06:16* I probably would have. *06:19* Scorebunny or Intellion. *06:22* I feel like there's an okay amount of fire. *06:23* I really feel like there's no water in this game at all. *06:25* Parched out there. *06:29* So it's like the opposite of Hoenn. *06:30* Not enough water. *06:33* What is this? *06:34* Yeah. *06:35* Or the ones that are the water types are like just older ones. *06:36* It's like, oh I've seen this so much. *06:40* Like literally the only like straight straight up new water type thing I think is that Barracuda looking Pokemon. *06:41* Like that's one of the only ones I'm like, this isn't the only new like fish type Pokemon. *06:48* I don't like this thing. *06:53* It looks dumb. *06:53* So I did settle on another water type though. *06:55* Finally. *07:01* Good for you. *07:02* I feel finally. *07:02* I had two options actually. *07:04* I could tell you I could tell you one of them because I didn't end up choosing it. *07:06* But there is an octopus in this game. *07:10* Have you seen that? *07:14* It's fighting it's fighting type. *07:15* Yes. *07:17* I thought it was water when I fought it in the wild. *07:17* But it can learn water moves still. *07:20* So I I was like, I'll just get this and just teach it water moves and it'll just be a de facto water type, but it's actually fighting type. *07:24* And I thought that would be really cool, actually. *07:31* Because it still learns a bunch of water moves if you look at its uh what it can learn. *07:34* I tried I did try to catch one of those. *07:40* I was like, this is awesome. *07:41* It's a like a cool big octopus. *07:43* Like I'll get this. *07:44* And it was uh another one that would not stay in the Pokeball. *07:46* And I was Yeah, it's I don't I don't care as much about the typing. *07:50* Like I don't need the water typing, I just need something that knows water moves. *07:53* And that's why I'm fine. *07:56* Like when we played *07:58* Um when we played Fire Red and Leaf Green, I think my I don't know if I can't remember if I had a de facto water type. *08:00* I might have like taught my Sorla Snorlax surf or something *08:06* I think that's how I had surf in my party. *08:09* I can't remember. *08:12* I don't remember either. *08:14* I'm excited. *08:15* Actually. *08:16* Like the closer we get to finishing this sword stuff, the more excited I am to play Gold and Silver. *08:17* Yeah, I need to start sketching out that team in my head. *08:24* Uh uh we need to do another video of that. *08:28* Well I'd like to it's just easy. *08:36* And it's *08:38* It's just bankable stuff. *08:39* But we need to up your screen recording resolution. *08:41* Little baby 720. *08:44* Yeah. *08:45* I think I want a Fur Alligator. *08:46* Mmm. *08:48* I don't think I've had or actually usually I usually I don't get usually I don't get Meganium or Chikorita. *08:49* That's the one I usually don't get. *08:57* But I I don't want to get a grass type for the third game in a row. *08:59* No, I don't. *09:02* To be honest. *09:02* So that's my hesitancy with that. *09:05* So I think I'm gonna go with Totodial, because I usually choose Cyndaquil. *09:08* And then of course I'm getting what are you doing scarlet and violet wise? *09:13* Apple star? *09:17* Apple Yeah, Apple Dragon thing. *09:18* Or not apple dragon, apple gator. *09:21* No, I'm picking the best Pokemon, Quaxley, a duck with a hat. *09:23* That was the worst one. *09:26* He's a duck with a cat. *09:28* A hat. *09:29* The cat is dumb. *09:30* Well, I don't want a cat. *09:31* I don't want a grass cat *09:32* I will say though, but listen if it's an apple. *09:33* I like the apple gator a lot. *09:37* But Quaxley has a hat. *09:40* He has a hat. *09:43* I love the hat. *09:44* Design the I I gotta be honest, I think the designs are getting better. *09:45* For starters or all around. *09:52* The Doe Pokemon, LeChonk. *09:56* I mean LeChonk's just a pig, but the Doe That giant whale looking thing they showed the other day, I thought that looked awesome as well. *09:58* The ice *10:05* Titan whale thing. *10:05* I thought that looked cool. *10:07* That game also having us play sword right now makes me go, wow, that looks really good. *10:08* Um *10:16* Like way better than the other thing. *10:16* I'm just appreciating I think so I think this is solid so far. *10:18* Like I don't think it's like terrible. *10:21* But I think it's better than I'll say this, it's ha guys hooks in me way more than like when I tried to play Sun and Moon and I was like, ugh. *10:24* Well, this is I mean I don't want to play this. *10:32* I'm really excited to play Scarlet and Violet. *10:34* I actually saw that the steel case thing went up for order again today on Play Asia for about like a hundred bucks. *10:36* And so because God of War is paid for, I am now going to I've ordered that. *10:43* And so if my buddy steel case ordered again, um, but my buddy will just take one and I will have one. *10:49* So that's my plan. *10:58* And I'm gonna have both. *11:01* So maybe I'll get both the Apple Gator and Quaxley. *11:02* You could do that. *11:09* Like earlier today when you're like, oh, what are you doing trading with Grant? *11:11* No, I said I said I didn't know we could tap Grant for trades because I would have been like, hey, you got one of these apple dragons *11:15* He surely would have, yeah. *11:22* I just didn't even think to do that. *11:24* I mention I mentioned it, but one of them re the reason I hit him up is because one of the Pokemon I really wanted *11:29* Um is one you can't get till late game and you don't catch it till like level 50 and it's a really high spawn. *11:35* It's a really low spawn rate. *11:41* So it's like not only would I get it really late, but then it would be hard to get it, and I'm just like *11:43* Oh my gosh, I don't I don't want to do this. *11:48* Because I like to get them earlier so then I can you know have time to train them and like actually enjoy them rather than just getting them and it's like oh the game is over. *11:49* I didn't even use this Pokemon. *11:58* Okay. *12:00* What did you um uh did you finish the episode with Colin? *12:05* Oh yeah, I did. *12:12* Overall thoughts. *12:14* I was making dinner. *12:15* Like I said, the back half of it, it was clear that you guys started riffing a lot about PlayStation and Naughty Dog and real big nerd dork stuff. *12:17* Uh so yeah, like yeah, you could tell you were nervous. *12:26* Or I could tell you were nervous. *12:29* I I I don't know if any if the layman could *12:31* Abby didn't mention anything, but you obviously know I obviously record with you all the time, so I can hear I heard like a little bit of a different inflection in your voice. *12:34* I'm like, I could tell he's *12:43* I actually had a script for the intro. *12:44* Like I wrote out how I was gonna introduce him because I was like, I don't wanna get distracted. *12:46* Like read the words and you'll be fine. *12:52* So *12:54* Yeah. *12:54* I wanted to How long did you talk to him before and after? *12:55* Very long? *12:59* Um so we were supposed to start at two. *13:00* We didn't start till like two oh five. *13:02* There's miscommunication about platform of call. *13:04* Um so there was like a pre-show of a couple of minutes just to be like here's the flow of the show or idea or whatever, you know, here we go. *13:07* And then maybe a couple of minutes afterward, because right after he recorded *13:15* That was a bad thing. *13:20* Yeah, I left him about ten, fifteen minutes before his hard stop. *13:23* I wanted him to have time to transition. *13:28* Between the calls, but yeah, it was a kind of um maybe in total seven-ish minutes on combined front and back. *13:31* And you said you talked about our show with him? *13:38* I heard you obviously mention it the very last five seconds of the show. *13:41* That's that's what I was referring to. *13:45* And then after after the call, I said one more thing before I let you go. *13:47* Um *13:51* Dustin is you know, Dustin is joining us on that. *13:53* He that's the reason we're the reason he's not playing Resident Evil 4 right now. *13:55* Um and he was like, Oh yeah, he realized it and talked about how Dustin gets in these kicks to like play a bunch of games and stuff and he said that's cool. *13:59* So I did connect that dot for him. *14:07* And then you emailed him and he said like I'll keep you in mind or whatever, and that was just you mentioning the guide thing or whatever you said? *14:11* Guide thing and um *14:17* Earlier in the email I talked like if you ever want a guest for anything, Last of Us, Guides p anything. *14:20* I wanted to throw God of War in there, but we didn't talk about God of War, so I felt like that was kind of out of left field, even though *14:27* Yeah. *14:33* I feel like I'm pretty I think we're both pretty knowledgeable about Ragnarok. *14:33* Anyway, but I mentioned that and was like if you ever need a guest or anything, I'd love to do another show with you someday. *14:38* So *14:43* That and then the the this guide idea thing he kinda mentioned in the show. *14:43* Yeah. *14:48* It was like I would love to learn more, whatever that is, and and possibly work together. *14:48* So I took it as an opportunity of what you know Dude, that's what Dustin did. *14:52* Yeah. *14:57* Dustin. *14:58* What is Dustin's friends? *14:59* One of his friends guested on Collins podcast or *15:01* Oh I know Fireside Chats, right? *15:06* Yeah, because his friend is that Ben the Ben Smith guy who edits their show and his friend went on *15:08* fireside chats and Dustin was with him and they just were like in L I think they were in LA for E3 because yeah, because I saw Dustin at E3 and we talked for a bit. *15:15* Because I've met Dustin a couple times in person and that's how we know each other as I met him at PAX and and then I met him at E3 and we talked a bit both times and have kind of kept in touch over the years. *15:25* Um and I saw him at E3 and I think while they were there, they also went over to Collins while he lived in LA and they recorded that episode of Fireside Chats. *15:34* And Dustin just happened to like tag along. *15:43* Mm. *15:45* I think. *15:46* Smart. *15:47* And then they just kinda all like became buddies. *15:47* Yeah. *15:50* That was my like I was thinking about it and was like, that does sound cool, like the guide thing, and I think we obviously both share a passion for that type of work. *15:51* So I was like *16:01* If there's an opportunity anywhere, you know, shoot the shot, I guess. *16:02* You can stop selling weapons of mass destruction. *16:06* Yeah I'm certainly helping with it, um for sure. *16:11* So I hope you know, obviously I hope something comes out of it. *16:16* I would love *16:20* If there was like, I assume they'll do a Last of Us Part One spoiler cast, I'm like, I th maybe I could get called for that just because it's I'm at least recent in his brain, but *16:21* I don't know. *16:33* Cause also I think one thing I noticed, and I finished that epis the most recent episode today, where he's like, I'm done talking about this game, like the negativity and everything surrounding it is ridiculous. *16:34* And *16:45* He he sounded sick of it. *16:46* But when we talked about it, in a negative light. *16:48* But when we when he and I talked about it, he was like, I'm so I'm amped. *16:53* Like *16:57* I've it was nice to have you guys played that game. *16:58* Yeah. *17:02* I mentioned the other day, I was like I kinda wanna play Last of Us Two again. *17:03* Mm-hmm. *17:07* Because I've never replayed it. *17:08* I always replay Naughty Dogs probably games. *17:09* Replay their games more than anything just because it's considerable. *17:11* Yeah. *17:15* Easy. *17:15* Yeah. *17:16* You gotta get the plat. *17:17* Yeah. *17:19* Platt is not hard. *17:19* No difficulty. *17:21* I still want to see the trophies for part one. *17:23* Still want to see it. *17:25* I'm gonna be one run plat, baby. *17:26* Let's do it. *17:29* I just had a thought here *17:30* Honestly, that's be why this is louder. *17:33* No, I don't think so. *17:36* Am I louder on your end now? *17:39* No. *17:41* Okay. *17:42* Shouldn't you guys have the game by now? *17:43* Are you assigned that one? *17:47* Did you request that game for review? *17:48* No. *17:51* Hmm. *17:51* I mean it's gold. *17:52* I feel like Press is probably gonna get that game. *17:54* I think we've been emailed about it, but got nothing else. *17:56* Probably *17:59* In a week and a half, two weeks probably is when press will get up. *18:00* If it's cold. *18:04* But Well, it's a month out. *18:08* So I feel like two weeks before releases. *18:10* Yeah, but if it's done, then True, true. *18:12* The earlier the better. *18:16* Sony does hit us up far in advance sometimes. *18:17* I mean I had Horizon what three *18:19* Three and a half weeks early, something like that. *18:21* Yeah. *18:24* That m and that helps immensely for a game like that. *18:24* Yeah. *18:27* Because usually their embargoes are about a week ahead. *18:29* So let's say the embargoes *18:31* This w this embargo could be closer though just because we know what it is. *18:33* But they also don't want it too early. *18:38* Yeah. *18:41* Yeah. *18:42* I mean if they really think they've got a winner on their hands then it could be earlier, but um *18:43* I'm not sure. *18:47* Alright. *18:49* Alright, let's talk about this film so I can play more Pokemon. *18:50* Hello everybody and welcome to Chapter Select, a seasonal podcast where we bounce back and forth between a series. *19:03* exploring their evolution, design, and legacy. *19:10* For season four we are covering the fast and the furious. *19:13* My name is Max Roberts and I am joined, as always, by Logan Moore. *19:17* Hi Logan. *19:20* Max, did you know Wonder Woman's in this movie? *19:21* Yes, I did. *19:24* Yes, I did. *19:26* Logan, welcome to the new era of Fast and Furious. *19:28* Yeah, I could tell very quickly that this is a new era. *19:33* It is this is the turning point in the franchise and you are experiencing it slightly earlier than the rest of us when we watching these movies as they came out. *19:37* Um but yeah, this is the turning point. *19:48* There's no going back from here. *19:51* I gotta say, I mean I mean this is getting into my impressions, but I did quickly miss *19:53* The early two thousands nostalgia. *19:59* And I know we'll have one more of those coming up with Tokyo Drift, so it's not like we've totally exited that area yet because of how we're watching these. *20:03* But absolutely as soon I got like ten minutes into this movie and I was like, oh yeah, that kind of warm comfort food vibe of the other movies we've already watched is gone now. *20:11* This is just a movie. *20:21* Um *20:23* Well, we're watching I mean this episode is about Fast and Furious, the fourth movie in the series, came out in 2009, and I'm only saying that because it's an eight-year gap, eight, nine year gap from those movies. *20:24* It's almost a decade. *20:35* So you can clearly tell how much has changed in just that span of time. *20:37* And now we're entering the back half of the fast franchise. *20:42* stylistically, thematically, and uh it's like a softcore reboot. *20:47* It's but keeps all the characters. *20:51* It's basically God of War 2018, the movie. *20:54* Sort of. *20:57* You always use that comparison as if no other piece of media has ever done that until God of War in 2018 was like, hey guys, what if we didn't know what's going on? *20:58* It's the easiest it's the first one that comes to my mind. *21:06* I'm trying I I guess I could start comparing it to Days of Future Past. *21:08* You could compare it to that or you could compare it to this Fast and Furious or Well, I can't compare Fast and Furious to itself. *21:12* Creed's a sequel and a reboot. *21:23* Hmm, interesting. *21:26* I never really seen it. *21:27* And we're now on Creed 3. *21:28* But I never thought of Creed as a reboot. *21:30* They just delayed Creed, by the way. *21:32* Yeah, I know like I I think I'm actually kinda okay with that. *21:34* I am okay with it because they weren't showing anything and it was allegedly out in two months. *21:37* So I'm happ you know, we'll see how that goes. *21:42* And then uh Rocky y yelled it uh even Drago, what's his name? *21:45* Uh *21:50* Oh my gosh, I forget his name. *21:52* Uh Dolph Lungren. *21:53* Yeah, he's mad at that. *21:55* Dolph Lungren. *21:55* He was mad at Dolph Lungren and the people who own the Rocky IP. *21:56* Uh anyway, this is not a Rocky podcast. *22:00* Maybe one day. *22:02* Actually, our friend Mario Rivera's doing a Rocky podcast, I think. *22:03* Or no, he's watching along with kinda funny. *22:06* He's not doing it. *22:08* He's watching along. *22:09* He's just watching funny. *22:10* Shout out to Mario for watching them at least. *22:11* Uh alright, let's talk about Fast and Furious. *22:13* Uh as you mentioned, this movie came out in April. *22:16* April 17th, 2009. *22:20* It was directed by Justin Lynn. *22:22* This is the first movie we've watched by Justin Lynn. *22:24* He also did direct Tokyo Drift though, as well, correct? *22:26* Yes. *22:30* Okay. *22:30* It was produced once again by Neil H. *22:31* Moritz. *22:33* Vin Diesel took producing credits this time. *22:34* And Michael Fautrel, we'll say. *22:37* It was written by Chris Morgan. *22:40* The uh primary actors in the film included Vin Diesel, Paul Walker, Michelle Rodriguez, Jordana Brewster, Gal Gadot, Soon Sung King, is that how you say his name? *22:42* I know that's Han. *22:53* And John Ortiz. *22:54* The composer was Brian Tyler. *22:56* Uh he did Tokyo Drift and everything else except for Fast and Furious 6 is what you're writing down here. *22:59* So basically from Tokyo Drift *23:05* Through Fast or F9, he is the composer, except for Fast and Furious 6. *23:07* So we'll hear his name a lot more in the future. *23:12* Correct. *23:14* Uh stunt coordinator this time around was Mike Gunther and Freddie Heiss. *23:14* And the budget was $85 million and this movie made $360 million at the box office, which is *23:20* I think it's the highest grossing one so far. *23:27* I mean again, we're going chronologically. *23:30* I don't Tokyo Drift didn't make that much. *23:32* I I think I've already looked that up in Tokyo Drift section. *23:34* No, this is the lowest performing. *23:37* I w actually think this made like *23:39* over a hundred million more than Too Fast, Too Furious, and they only spent about another ten, fifteen million on this movie. *23:42* So the return on investment is even more substantial this time around. *23:48* Yeah. *23:52* But that movie Too Fast had a lot more practical stunts in it compared to this. *23:53* And that's not to say there's not any in this movie, but I think the seed I mean we can we can obviously get it. *23:58* Maybe. *24:07* Uh Rotten Tomato score for this movie though. *24:07* Horrible. *24:11* 28% from critics. *24:12* And even though it made a whole lot of money, only a 67% from audiences, which is again, like everything we've seen so far has been pretty middling on both sides, uh, which is funny. *24:15* Because again, leaning into my hypothesis before we start this whole series, this is the worst mega franchise in movie history. *24:27* All these movies have been poorly received so far for the most part. *24:35* At least what you would consider poorly received on *24:38* both critic and fan sides. *24:40* Because I feel like the fans score way higher most of the time because it's easier to please general audiences. *24:43* Usually I feel like most movies that are considered *24:47* quote unquote good, her like eighty, eighty-five and up on the Rotten Tomatoes meter, but again that's a faulty metric. *24:50* Uh before we talk too much about the movie itself though and more about what we think about it, uh *24:58* Let's talk about our own histories with it. *25:04* I can start with this actually and then we'll go to you because I have literally no history with this movie. *25:07* I remember when it came out *25:12* I remember some people going to see it, but I don't remember anything specific with it. *25:13* I was just I think my reaction was honestly more like, oh, they made another one of those. *25:17* That's kind of interesting. *25:21* And that was about it. *25:22* And that was my reaction. *25:23* Uh I know literally nothing else about this movie. *25:25* It would have come out when we were in, I want to say eighth grade, right? *25:28* Yeah, around that around that time for sure. *25:32* Two thousand early two thousand nine we would have been in eighth grade because we both graduated in thirteen. *25:34* So yeah, that sounds right. *25:39* So But yeah, I remember nothing. *25:42* I think I remember a couple people that I know seeing it, but they didn't say anything like you gotta go see this movie or anything like that. *25:44* I was just like, oh yeah, I saw the new one. *25:51* Yep, okay. *25:53* So my history with this film was the marketing obviously quite effective in the way that *25:55* They do brand it kinda as a reboot with the the tagline new model original parts. *26:03* As in the original cast is back, we finally have got, you know, Paul Walker, Vin Diesel, Michelle Rodriguez, Jordana Bru Brewer? *26:08* Brewster? *26:15* Brewster. *26:16* Brewster, I think. *26:16* Yeah. *26:17* All back together for the movie. *26:18* I was like, this is gonna be great. *26:21* This is awesome. *26:22* And then you you watch the movie. *26:23* And you're like, oh no. *26:27* But since my original viewing of this film, which would have been around that time in my life, that two I don't I didn't see it in theaters. *26:31* Um the first Fast and Furious movie I saw in theaters is actually Fast Five. *26:39* But when I did see Fast and Furious, I was like, this is ooh, that is rough. *26:43* This is the worst one yet. *26:49* That's not very good. *26:50* And but in viewing since then, so I think this is probably the third, maybe the fourth time I've seen this movie *26:52* I've I've liked bits of it more. *27:00* It's this weird time where I go, wow, this is actually better than I remember. *27:04* Oh, this is worse than I remember. *27:09* Like I but at different parts in the movie. *27:11* And so at the very least when I watch this movie, which is not that often *27:14* I do it's interesting. *27:19* It keeps me engaged at least, going kind of a little whiplash, which at the very least is fun on that end of it. *27:21* But overall, this is *27:30* The worst Fast and Furious movie, I think. *27:32* I I I again maybe once I see more of them and I can compare them to this, then it'll be more easier for me to be like, yeah, this totally sucks. *27:36* Um *27:45* I didn't even I did not hate this movie and I don't think it's horrible, but it absolutely drags. *27:46* Like there were this was the first one of these movies we've watched where I was like, wow, how much is left in this? *27:53* And I was like actively checking how much longer it had to go. *27:59* And again, that's it wasn't because I thought anything was *28:04* terrible but it was just boring at times and the plot is the plot's the biggest problem I think and uh *28:07* Again, uh spoilers and we'll get into the story and stuff like that, but you and I briefly talked about this before we start recorded. *28:16* this and the biggest problem with this movie is just the through line plot is that centers around the fact that Letty has died and now *28:24* I have not watched any of these films. *28:32* I know this is a hard thing that this is something that's easy to criticize now, back in 2009, not so much, but *28:35* And again, I'm somebody who knows nothing about this series, but I do know that Letty is not dead in future films. *28:43* She's clearly in them. *28:50* So the whole time I'm watching this, I'm just like, she's. *28:51* Not dead though. *28:55* Like at what point does she come back in the movie? *28:56* Like I was expecting her to show back up and then we get to the credits and they're rolling and she's not back and I'm like, oh wow, they really just *28:58* This was just the commitment of this movie is just saying that she's dead, which makes me f more fascinated in the future to see how she comes back into play. *29:07* I got a feeling it will be *29:15* terrible if I had to guess how they force her back into the fray. *29:17* Um but yeah her me knowing up front *29:22* with such little knowledge of this series that she's clearly not dead, takes a lot away from the plot, which then in in turn I think made a lot of the moments where *29:26* you know, Dom in the movies like, Oh, I'm sad that my girlfriend's dead. *29:36* I'm gonna become Batman and hang this man out a window and threaten to kill him. *29:40* I'm like, come on, chill out, bro, she's not really dead. *29:44* Like it was just a very weird *29:46* viewing experience for me w because of that. *29:49* The retroactive, like the the retcon of of Letty. *29:52* I mean that's essentially what is going to happen here in the future. *29:56* Um *29:59* It it robs this movie of a lot. *30:00* And this movie doesn't have a lot left to be robbed. *30:03* And so when you take the motivation for Dom in this film out, um *30:05* It hurts. *30:12* Now, I will say they do Letty dirty. *30:13* 'Cause she's in the movie for fifteen minutes and then she's She dies off screen. *30:16* She dies off screen. *30:20* I thought that w *30:21* The re number one reason why I thought she would come back in this movie itself is because they say that she died off-screen. *30:22* And then they kind of show it through like weird flashback. *30:28* Batman detective mode. *30:32* I was gonna say he has a detective that Dom has all of a sudden. *30:34* Uh but yeah, they she dies off screen. *30:38* I'm like, oh well that's like number one *30:41* flaw of movies whenever a character dies off screen. *30:43* Yeah. *30:46* Show me show me a body and then I'll believe they're dead. *30:47* But yeah, and so I I assume she would show back at the up in this movie because of that. *30:49* And nope, she absolutely does not *30:53* And looking back through the lens of, you know, the original crews back together, wow, this is great. *30:55* This is awesome. *31:01* You even get the that Tokyo drift hit with Han there. *31:02* Um *31:05* Yeah. *31:06* Especially if this is just the fourth movie, you know, you're watching these when they come out. *31:06* It's like, oh, this is great. *31:10* And fifteen, twenty minutes in, Letty's gone. *31:12* Just like oh she goes to sleep and then she goes to sleep for good. *31:15* And you know, I Mia *31:21* Not in it I she's in it more than Letty, but she's also not in it a ton. *31:24* Really it's the return of *31:29* Um Dom and Brian. *31:32* I keep going between Vin, Paul, Brian, and Dom and I'm not sure. *31:34* It is a weird thing because people want to call *31:38* them by their actor names in in these movies, even though I try not to when we're recording this, I do try to call them their character names, but it is very much Vindi's on Fall Walker. *31:41* Yeah. *31:51* Because these are these are their roles that they're known for more than anything. *31:51* It it does rob that uh that original pitch a bit with her dying so early in the film and then obviously now knowing later *31:56* She's not dead actually at all. *32:04* I think one of the other uh like while we're just on the topic of criticizing things, we'll go more piece by piece through this tour here and talk about things in a finer detail and *32:06* Flesh things out from there. *32:15* But the one other thing I did want to say broad criticism of the film is that the bad guy is just horrible. *32:16* Like really horrible. *32:21* Like I would say worse than *32:23* Uh too fast bad guy. *32:25* And the reason is is because he's this mysterious the whole movie, it's just this mysterious faceless. *32:27* Oh, we gotta get Braga. *32:33* We gotta get Braga *32:35* At least there was a face to the bad guy in Too Fast. *32:36* That was the in was that bad guy good? *32:39* No. *32:42* But this movie, you are chasing this specter, and it is not *32:43* interesting in the slightest. *32:49* They're trying to figure out who he is and he's got all these people working for him and then the reveal is, oh, it was me all along. *32:51* It's like, oh okay, whatever. *32:56* Uh, I would have preferred if the actual drug kingpin was got out of a car and it was like a famous actor, like, oh my gosh, it's Matt Damon, who's the drug kingpin, or something like that. *32:58* Instead it was just a bait and switch in which is fine, but for eighty-five to ninety percent of this movie, it is literally just this *33:08* This specter of Braga hanging over the events of this movie, and it's like, I don't care about Braga because you have not shown me Braga. *33:18* So I, as a viewer, can't *33:27* Connect with this. *33:29* Like, at least in Too Fast, the guy was evil and they made him cartoonishly evil in some of the scenes. *33:30* And he was *33:37* It was so over it was so over the top that it was hard to take it serious, but I in turn can't take this serious because I don't *33:39* see him. *33:47* Like he's just this dude that you keep talking about. *33:48* So interesting. *33:51* What about Phoenix? *33:52* The other I mean the main henchman and the other villain of the movie. *33:54* I mean I didn't but I didn't take him seriously the whole time because I thought he was just lackey to the dude up the ladder. *33:58* And so I was like, oh this guy's just a grunt loser. *34:04* So but he's the one that killed Letty. *34:07* I mean he is the one Dom is actually killed. *34:09* Oh you mean you mean boss man. *34:11* Yeah boss man. *34:13* I just called him Boss Man. *34:15* Okay, yeah boss man is I wrote down I wrote down while we're talking about him, I wrote down in my notes *34:17* Uh, why does Boss Man have a hammer and sickle tattoo on his neck? *34:21* Because he's a bad guy. *34:26* That's how you know he's a bad guy. *34:28* He loves the Soviet Union. *34:29* He's gotta get it tattooed on his neck, apparently. *34:31* That guy, yeah, he was a better villain than who ended up being Braga because he but even then the only way we know he killed Letty is because of detective vision. *34:34* Nitroman and And then he knows *34:44* I I yeah, I don't know. *34:48* It it's kind of bizarre. *34:49* Um but he was but I would say yeah, he was a better conflict than uh Vin. *34:50* Uh not Ven than Braga was with Vin and them. *34:57* Um, let's start going through this more sequentially though. *35:01* Um and I've got my notes here and we'll not go through every single detail of the film. *35:04* Uh but it starts off with an action scene, and I wrote down it opens with a truck like Fast One. *35:10* Uh which I did think was kind of a cool callback. *35:16* It very much is meant to emulate the first scene from the original Fast movie *35:19* Uh you're introduced to Han quickly, which is a cool way for them to tie in Tokyo Drift, which again we've not watched, but I obviously *35:24* No, he's from that movie, so it's cool that they start integrating that. *35:31* Um The first thing I wrote down notably about this action scene though is the action has entered a completely new level. *35:35* This is a really good action sequence for the most part. *35:43* It's very good. *35:46* It's leagues better than anything else that has been in the other movies. *35:47* This feels like a choreographed *35:51* stunt chase scene with a lot of moving parts and a lot of things going on and it's cool. *35:54* It's good. *36:01* It's probably the high point of the movie to be honest *36:01* It is the high point of the movie. *36:04* Absolutely hands down. *36:06* Actually, I watched on the bonus features of the Blu-ray. *36:07* They have a whole *36:11* ten, eleven minute thing about shooting this scene. *36:13* Uh m most of it is practical *36:17* So well, I was uh actually genuinely surprised most of it's practical. *36:21* So much so that the individual tankers that detach *36:25* They're actually cars with people inside them that drive them. *36:31* Interesting. *36:35* They're you know, that wasn't CG or anything like that. *36:36* They really were spinning those tow trucks around backing up. *36:39* They weren't hitching to the trailers, but the explosion at the end, while the roll down the hill is obviously the computer and the explosion as it's tumbling and stuff, the explosion off of *36:43* the road is real, it colliding into the main tre semi-truck. *36:56* All that was real practical effects and explosions and stuff. *37:01* I was surprised to learn *37:04* it to me there's more practicality than CG in that particular scene, which d you know, I've always enjoyed that scene to begin with. *37:07* It's just very fun. *37:15* big, there's some tension, uh, and they use cars as tools. *37:17* You know, when Dom flips around and hits the semi-truck to break the ice and then let it says, hold on, and then he smacks it. *37:23* Whip f whips his car around real quick, yeah. *37:32* It's just high action intensity, fun, heist kind of energy that yeah the series has not had up to this point. *37:34* No, it's I totally as far as like this being a launching point for the franchise moving forward and all the things you're talking about, about how this sets the stage for what's to come, that's very much felt *37:45* right away with what they do with this opening scene. *37:57* Uh and yeah, it's the best part of the movie I think. *38:00* And there's uh just a lot of cool scenes in it, uh or sequences in it, like with him spinning and hitting the tanker like you said. *38:04* Uh him driving underneath the flaming tanker there at the end, and she's screaming at him and he's like, hold on, I'm gonna time this up real quick and then go right under it. *38:11* That's a really famous scene. *38:24* I've seen that before, or the that shot at least. *38:25* Yeah. *38:28* It's a it's a statement piece as well. *38:29* It clearly communicates to the audience. *38:32* Um *38:35* Of fans that have seen the movies before, this is a new Fast and Furious. *38:36* We're doing something different. *38:40* If you've never seen this before in the previous movies, you just think this is how it always is. *38:41* It's *38:46* We've entered a new era. *38:47* They're doing bigger, crazier things. *38:52* Buckle up. *38:54* That's what this scene communicates. *38:55* That's the next thing I wrote down. *38:58* So they obviously go and they sell their *38:59* their uh gas that they've stolen or their whatever it is, oil. *39:01* Uh and then there's some scenes there and Dom runs off. *39:05* Uh *39:09* When it jumps to Brian though and him running around as a cop, I immediately wrote down the early 2000s nostalgia is gone. *39:10* This just feels like a normal movie now. *39:17* And then I wrote down, why and how is Brian still a cop *39:19* Uh so at the end of but um uh he's clearly come back to the FBI. *39:24* I mean he's ended on good terms with them at the end of Too Fast Two Furious, his record's clear. *39:30* He li he has a sense of justice. *39:35* It *39:37* But they talked about how he wanted to like open a garage in Miami or something like that, didn't he? *39:38* And him and Rome were like they were gonna budget. *39:43* I he's back in LA, he's a Calgary. *39:46* And then he's back in LA and he's yeah, he's being a cop again. *39:48* And then you're just like, Okay, I guess we'll run with this *39:51* You literally run with it because we're doing parkour through the show. *39:54* Yes. *39:57* I wrote down uh so there's the big chase sequence and then he gets up there and that guy's try getting ready to shoot him and then he tackles him off the roof and I wrote *39:58* Why not just shoot the guy rather than tackle him off of a building into a car? *40:05* So there's a it's cooler to tackle him off a building into a car. *40:10* Yes. *40:13* Yes, pretty much. *40:14* From there it really just sets it's a lot of *40:15* Set up. *40:19* Uh Letty dies from there, which is what we talked about. *40:20* Dom comes back to town. *40:24* They kind of slowly start to *40:25* Bring all the characters together. *40:27* Brian's gotta hunt down Braga. *40:29* I don't know if there's anything in these scenes that you want to mention it. *40:31* I am honestly surprised you haven't mentioned it yet. *40:34* Uh what of what am I He finds out, he investigates the scene with his detective skills, uh detective mode, and he discovers nitro meth. *40:38* And there's only one guy in town that sells or does the *40:48* Nitrometh. *40:53* So he interrogates the man. *40:55* Yeah, I've got that no, I've got multiple notes written for that. *40:58* Okay. *41:00* I'm alright. *41:01* I thought that's where we were. *41:02* I wrote down I wrote down two things. *41:03* I wrote Dom held an engine in his hands. *41:05* He held an entire engine with one arm. *41:08* Do you know how much an engine weighs? *41:11* Yes, like tons *41:13* Or maybe not tons, but it weighs hundreds and hundreds of pounds. *41:14* The average weight is between four and seven hundred pounds. *41:18* Yes. *41:22* Yes. *41:23* That's a V8, a V6 is three to four fifty. *41:24* It doesn't matter. *41:27* You can't hold that much with one arm. *41:28* He's Vend Diesel, as you've seen his biceps, they're huge. *41:31* It is *41:34* The absurdity is so over the top, but it works. *41:36* I just you can just see it. *41:42* Like, yeah, of course Dom can hold an engine because he's been with cars his whole life and he has big muscles. *41:44* Yeah, I wrote I wrote Dom held an engine in his hands and then a second note I wrote down is the thing I said kind of before is that oh Dom is just now Batman. *41:49* Like he really is just running around town. *41:58* Threatening people interrogating him them basically going where is where is she? *42:01* Where is she *42:06* Yeah. *42:08* So he's basically become this vigilante, and then you've got Paul Walker over here, Brian trying to use his cop skills to get on the tail of Braga. *42:09* Uh not really. *42:22* He's not David Park man. *42:23* The David Park thing is like a huge part of this early por the early portion of this movie. *42:27* And then they end up going what *42:32* Street racing. *42:35* It gets them into the race, which is the job for Braga. *42:36* Like this is your application, your interview. *42:40* And there are some other things that happened before that. *42:42* Dom and Mia see each other again for the first time in a long time. *42:44* They drive around. *42:48* Brian and Mia see each other. *42:49* Brian and Mia see each other. *42:51* I wrote down Mia is hot again. *42:52* I think Jordana Brewster is very attractive. *42:54* Just throwing that out there. *42:56* I understand Paul Walker's taste in women. *42:57* Or Brian's taste in women. *42:59* She's cute. *43:01* About them seeing each other again. *43:02* I think the interaction at the restaurant is actually *43:05* A stronger character moment for the Fast and Furious in general. *43:08* Brian had to face Mia and, you know, verbally face some consequences of his actions to just *43:13* lie to everyone and then leave. *43:20* Yeah. *43:23* And that clearly hurt Mia and she confronted him about that. *43:23* And I think I thought that was good that he had to at least, you know, face the music a little bit there. *43:26* Obviously this gets resolved over the course of the movie *43:31* in you know a Hollywood style fashion, but I liked that Brian was facing the music a bit. *43:35* It's a bit of a wonky scene. *43:40* Or maybe not wonky. *43:42* But it's kind of jarring for us as the viewer too because we haven't seen these characters in so long. *43:43* So they're trying to reconcile like why did you do this? *43:48* And why has this happened? *43:50* And why did you leave town? *43:52* And blah blah blah blah blah. *43:53* And like these have been *43:54* things that have been lingering for us as viewers for a long time too. *43:57* So I I don't know. *44:00* It's kind of interesting but awkward to see them *44:01* reconvene and talk about these things so much later after all this other stuff has happened, I guess. *44:06* Or at least just the events of Too Fast have happened. *44:10* Um *44:13* But you've got to do that. *44:14* Yes. *44:17* He didn't mention that he was off with his boy Roman. *44:19* Roman, nowhere to be seen in this movie. *44:22* Um I don't know. *44:24* It's just been such a long time. *44:26* I i it's uh yeah. *44:29* How long would it have been between are these movies so when does this movie take place? *44:31* Because I know the timeline is obviously different from the real release time. *44:36* Like what what year is this movie set? *44:40* Yeah, like if if Fast One is supposed to actually be 2001, this isn't 2009 because Tokyo Trift is two thousand. *44:43* Hmm, interesting question. *44:52* Cause if we're watching them in chronological chronological order, then Tokyo Drift is not set in 2006 or whatever, which is the same year I think that one released. *44:54* If I'm correct, I'll look it up. *45:05* Huh. *45:16* So fascinating tidbit about the Fast and Furious timeline. *45:18* According to the Fast and Furious fandom wiki, which I'll just defer to as fact, they've done more research than me. *45:24* The events of The Fast and the Furious, the first film, take place in 2004. *45:32* Okay. *45:39* And then, um *45:40* Let's see. *45:44* Turbocharge Prelude, 2004. *45:45* So you assume that then leads into too fast. *45:49* It's interesting they don't mention Too Fast kinda in this chunk here, but then in 2009 is Los Bandaleros, the uh short film before Fast and Furious. *45:52* So this is set in 2009. *46:02* So what they've done instead of bumping this back is they've bumped the earlier movies forward. *46:04* So when is Tokyo Drift? *46:11* Tokyo. *46:14* Two thousand like eleven? *46:14* Tokyo d uh no, Tokyo Drift *46:16* Tokyo boy. *46:19* Not I guess could it could it be nine two thousand nine? *46:21* Tokyo drift is two thousand and fourteen. *46:24* Oh my gosh. *46:27* Jeez. *46:31* Shot that movie eight. *46:32* This is the best movie series of all time. *46:34* Doesn't make any sense at all, but sure. *46:38* Uh alright, well we're watching them in this chronological order, so This is wild. *46:40* Uh Gaugado shows up. *46:46* She I got let's talk about her character for a minute, 'cause obviously she's in a bunch of different scenes, but I do want to talk about *46:48* her character specifically. *46:54* What is her name in this movie? *46:56* Do you happen to know? *46:57* Because I was just a little Giselle, that's right. *46:58* Yeah. *47:01* Uh *47:02* She's a really weird character. *47:03* I don't like her character much at all in this movie. *47:05* I think she's pretty terrible. *47:10* Interesting. *47:12* I don't know if she gets better in the future films or if you have any strong opinions on her, but she's basically just this girl who shows up and is like, yeah, I work for Braga. *47:13* Also, I'm gonna throw myself at Dom Toretto really heavily for strange reasons in this movie. *47:22* And that's never really established why she's doing that other than she just has a thing for *47:29* muscled up baldman apparently like there's so many scenes in this movie where she is just blatantly throwing herself at *47:34* Dom. *47:43* Yeah. *47:44* So you're you're not wrong at all. *47:44* That's exactly kind of how she's written and presented in this film. *47:47* Um, you were correct. *47:52* This is her first movie. *47:53* So uh in 2009 this was her Hollywood debut, and then she um obviously goes on from there and becomes Wonder Woman and all that stuff. *47:54* She is *48:04* fleshed out way more in uh a much better character in future films. *48:06* So I personally as much *48:12* But she clearly starts out here kinda as she's clearly knowledgeable about this world of crime and connecting heroine. *48:15* Yeah. *48:25* She's she's aware of this stuff, but *48:26* Uh her character pretty much is I would like to date Dominic Toretto, but Dom still loves another woman *48:29* So well she's not even I figured that when I realized that they were trying to make her like a good guy in this movie er it's pretty obvious that she's gonna flip or something like that eventually. *48:39* I figured maybe they would try to present her more as this character who, yeah, she works with this drug dealer and yeah, she's caught up in a bad situation, but she's a good person with a heart of gold who got kinda roped into this world and she's been looking for a way out. *48:49* No, it's just very much I work with this guy, my business is drugs, but I do think Dominic Toreto's pretty hot and I'm gonna hit on him a lot and I'm gonna *49:03* uh wear a br not wear a bra in this d garage scene with him and then hit on him a whole bunch and ask him what kind of women he likes and blah blah blah blah blah. *49:12* Like *49:22* Weird things like that, and that's really her only eventually at the end, Braga just tries to blatantly run her over, and then she's like, You saved my life, now I'll be on your side. *49:23* It's never good character development with her whatsoever, which again, I don't think you would think about her character as much in this movie as well if she was not *49:34* Kel Godot, and she eventually becomes like Wonder Woman huge megastar actress. *49:45* Uh she stands out because this is her first role and this is one of her *49:52* first films, but retroactively you go back and watch this and you're like, oh, that's that's her. *49:56* So I think if she was any other actress, you might not think about it that much. *50:01* But *50:05* Yeah, it's another one of those for me. *50:06* I see her as Giselle, but I mostly think of her in the context of the other films. *50:08* And so, you know, I again like I said actually earlier when we brought her up, I always forget she starts out in this movie. *50:12* You really you you could cut her out of this movie and her character in future films is still strong and fine. *50:19* Like it's *50:27* And you when you see her in Fast Five, I mean I'm I w which is the next film you and I will be watching, it's it's a total improvement uh across the board. *50:29* So *50:39* I'm curious to see what you think of her as you see her evolve here kind of over the next uh wave of films. *50:40* So *50:47* Do you have anything you would like to say about this whole racing sequence? *50:48* It's the only race in the movie. *50:53* It is the only race in the errrr. *50:56* Unless you count the racing border patrol. *50:58* Come on. *51:01* This is the only race coming off of three movies about street racing in this culture. *51:02* I mean, that's what inspired the original The Fast and Furious movie. *51:07* This is the only street race. *51:12* Mm-hmm. *51:14* Again, part of this pivot into a an action series predominantly. *51:15* And they try to make it a little bit different though because *51:20* There's even the line like oh well who's gonna close down the streets and they're like no one. *51:23* They were racing through That's real message to the viewers is like this is how we're making it different. *51:26* The stakes are higher, there's traffic, there's danger. *51:32* And the other two drivers end up dying, I think, um, in the race. *51:36* So I don't think they'd live from those wrecks. *51:41* Well, I cannot remember if one of the uh if one of them survived like *51:43* I couldn't remember if they both crashed horrifically, but I do remember one for sure crashed horrifically. *51:47* It's *51:53* I like the race. *51:55* I've I've always been a uh partial to this one. *51:56* The idea of racing in the streets with traffic being guided by the GPS. *51:59* I like Brian struggling with the GPS in like shut up, shut up. *52:04* I just like that it follows him in general. *52:10* Like the focus is still on him because it's a good callback to *52:12* fast one of this is not just a race where he's a cop and yes he's trying to invade this drug organization and get in and and do his job essentially *52:16* There's a it's a double-layered thing where he's trying to do that on one hand, but he's still trying to prove himself to Dom. *52:26* And he's trying to prove the respect. *52:31* Yeah, I want to take the respect. *52:33* I've become a better driver. *52:35* I've gone off to Miami. *52:37* I've done these things on my own. *52:38* You don't know what I've spent the past couple years doing. *52:39* I am better now than the last time you saw me. *52:41* And more than anything, you get the sense that he just wants to prove that to Dom. *52:44* in this race. *52:48* And he's going to until Dom screws him over. *52:49* But I like that they follow the race from Brian's perspective for probably ninety percent of it. *52:52* Absolutely. *52:58* And I still think *52:59* Bruh, obviously this is the job, and they're both gunning for the same position. *53:02* And this I like the stakes there because if Dom gets the job, it's day it could be dangerous both for Dom and *53:07* the villains here, but if Brian gets the job, Dom is quote unquote safe from harm's way or whatever, and while the audience doesn't know it at the time *53:15* I said, or he could do something very extreme because he has no other options and he's Batman at this point. *53:26* Right. *53:32* And so I like the stakes there beyond just who will get there first. *53:33* there's pressure as to why we want to get first beyond quote the money and the respect. *53:38* So it's a very well done race. *53:43* I like *53:46* you know, Brian saying, sorry car and then driving down a hill through this like deck stair set, which was also a real stunt. *53:47* You know, they do *53:56* Uh in the special the bonus features on the disc they talked about how they actually were having to put cars back together because they ran out of a budget to keep buying cars to crash. *53:58* So they were crashing a lot of cars in this movie, which is is quite funny. *54:09* So this race has always been a favorite of mine throughout the series. *54:13* Um *54:18* And it stands out now, especially as kind of really the only street race in the film. *54:19* The scene after the race, though, is maybe a better scene because we get to see uh *54:25* Dwight Dwight the driver interacting with some feet and filming them. *54:31* Popping all over those feet. *54:35* Yeah, I just wrote down Dwight the footman. *54:37* So that was something I want to make sure we talked about was this man and his attraction to feet and filming 'em and getting all up close and smoochin' on 'em and other. *54:40* Dwight's never touched this stuff. *54:49* Yeah. *54:51* Dwight's a good character. *54:52* He's only in it for a little bit. *54:54* Good character though. *54:55* Until he gets the cops called on him. *54:56* Uh so yeah, that gets Brian. *54:57* What do you know? *55:00* Dwight got *55:01* Dwight got arrested. *55:02* That means that I can I can join. *55:04* Wow, what a magical thing that has just happened. *55:07* Uh they meet up at what the bar thing to celebrate. *55:10* He thinks he sees Braga, Brian does *55:17* Finn or Dom has the weird scene with uh Giselle that we talked about before in the garage. *55:21* Yes, but that's also where he identifies the Gran Torino *55:28* Yeah, there's really nothing else that happens of great note that I can think of until they go to Mexico. *55:31* Cr or they're in Mexico or and then they cross the border back to LA, correct? *55:41* And that whole scene and then the explosion. *55:46* Yeah, they they cross the border and this is when Dom decides he's gonna try and kill Phoenix. *55:49* Like on the other side in Mexico. *55:55* They're in LA, I think. *55:59* No, when the cars blow up? *56:01* I think they're in LA, aren't they? *56:03* Because they say they're coming from the Mexican side of the border. *56:05* Oh yeah, it's on return. *56:08* You're right. *56:10* Because then they because then they get the car and then they and they they drop them off. *56:10* And he stashes them in uh at the LA impound lot. *56:14* Yeah. *56:17* You are correct. *56:17* So yeah, he just decides like this is when I'm gonna blow them up *56:18* Yeah, which is very odd, premeditated. *56:22* Yeah, it's it's kind of out of nowhere that he just decides to do it there. *56:26* I mean I like the way he does explode the car. *56:30* It's cool. *56:33* He blows them all up though. *56:34* It seems like a plan without much plan behind it, though. *56:35* He's just like, oh, I'll I'll blow up these cars and then that'll allow me to kill the guy who killed Letty. *56:40* Let's talk about how he just took a bullet to the shoulder and barely moved. *56:46* He doesn't move at all. *56:52* That's what happens when you're as thick as Vin Diesel, apparently. *56:53* It's just a big action scene explosions, gunfire *57:01* Now Brian and Dom are united and they have sixty million dollars worth of heroin. *57:05* At least this time we get to see the drugs instead of it just being implied like in two fast, two furies. *57:10* Yeah, I want to see that heroin. *57:15* Show me the heroine. *57:17* Show me the aluminum foil and brown packing tape. *57:18* This is when we were in the late *57:21* uh two thousands and we started seeing drugs on TV and movies like in Breaking Bad. *57:23* Show me that blue stuff. *57:28* Show me what meth looks like. *57:29* Show me what heroin looks like. *57:30* I want to see these fake drugs on these shows. *57:32* Uh what happens from there? *57:36* Uh they end up have setting up the sting to get Braga. *57:38* They set up the swap. *57:43* They go back to Mia's house. *57:46* Take the toilet out of his shoulder. *57:48* Yeah. *57:49* That's before the Oh, they they have the fight with uh when he tells him about Letty and how she was trying to *57:50* Clear Dom's name and that gets Dom pissed and he beats the crap out of Brian. *57:56* Like really. *58:01* It it's crazy. *58:02* And all he gets is like a little bloody nose and he just wipes his nose afterwards and I'm good *58:03* Um taps into the rage side of Dom's character. *58:08* I do need to call out the phone used in this scene, the LG rumor. *58:13* I had that phone. *58:18* Those phones were awesome. *58:19* So nice to see the LG rumor I had was preserved for cinema. *58:21* So uh eventually they set up the swap between *58:27* uh Braga's people and them for six million I believe they set up a sting or they they did *58:33* He demands that the cop man demands that Brian bring back the drugs. *58:41* He doesn't do that. *58:44* They set up a sting operation instead. *58:45* This is also where Brian and Mia get back together finally and hook back up or whatever and *58:47* Which their reconciliation relationship. *58:52* Yeah, but their reconciliation is kind of odd. *58:54* It's just implied that they've like now spent time around each other and have become close to one another again just because of *58:57* They've just I don't know, they've just kind of naturally forgotten about things that happened in the past because they've been drawn together because of this situation again, and then that has led to them *59:04* I guess. *59:19* It's kind of it's kind of uh because I know they're sort of the *59:20* couple in these movies that everybody likes. *59:26* I know there's Dom and Letty too, but uh they're the main couple in these movies. *59:28* It it's kind of odd that *59:34* They just really have I think them as actor like br uh like Paul Walker and Jordana Brewster, I think they have good chemistry on screen, but they just don't have good *59:36* writing at this point in these scenes in my opinion. *59:46* So they get back together and then they set up the sting. *59:49* Old man in a gray suit comes out and it's Braga. *59:53* Just kidding. *59:56* No, it's not *59:57* And then tell me a guy who crawled his way out of the the slums or whatever is wearing pink. *59:58* That's the clue that tips them off that this is not the drug lord. *01:00:04* We haven't mentioned the incompetent officer who uh Brian just shatters his nose. *01:00:09* Oh yeah, he just beats his face into a wall. *01:00:18* Oh my gosh. *01:00:21* The brutality. *01:00:22* It uh it's a great way to end the fight before it starts. *01:00:24* Um *01:00:27* But Stasiak, he also is the one that screws up the sting because I don't know, he wants all the glory and is impatient. *01:00:28* So again, just proving *01:00:36* That Dom and Brian are the smartest the men wherever they go. *01:00:39* Yeah, so the we after the sting, they end up going to Mexico, which is where Braga runs back to. *01:00:44* Uh I think Vin Diesel has the best line in this movie once they get there in the church and he puts a shotgun to his head and he says, you ain't forgiven. *01:00:50* I thought you were gonna say the jurisdiction line. *01:00:59* Which one's that? *01:01:02* Brian's leaning against his car while they're waiting for Giselle and he goes, I don't have any jurisdiction here. *01:01:03* And then Ving *01:01:09* Or this is where my jurisdiction ends, and then Dom goes, and this is where mine begins. *01:01:10* As if like vigilante Mexican justice. *01:01:16* No, the best line in the movie is when he puts a shotgun to Braga's head and says, You ain't forgiven while he's praying. *01:01:21* I think that's a very good line. *01:01:27* They end up kidnapping him and they try to get him back to LA, which ends results in a *01:01:29* What I wrote down is this ending is like Mad Max. *01:01:34* Very much is like a Mad Max scene at one point where there's all the cars across the desert. *01:01:37* Vin Diesel, one of the coolest scenes in this movie, and in this chase scene. *01:01:41* So they're obviously being chased through the desert *01:01:45* Vin Diesel, rather than rolling down his window or doing anything like that, he just elbows out the window of his own car, sticks a shotgun out the window with one hand *01:01:47* Or with with one hand on the wheel and one hand on the shotgun, then he blows out a dude's tire. *01:01:58* So he just elbows out his own window when he has a perfectly acceptable *01:02:02* Window roll down in the car. *01:02:07* I thought about this. *01:02:11* The car's old. *01:02:12* It probably is like a hand crank. *01:02:13* He doesn't have time to crank the window down to then. *01:02:15* Maybe. *01:02:17* That was what I thought because *01:02:18* You're right, why not use the button and just let it roll down? *01:02:19* But it's probably a crank. *01:02:23* And it's just cooler if he just smashes it with his elbow. *01:02:25* He just throws his bow into it and the window explodes. *01:02:27* They go back through the tunnels, which is a huge chase scene. *01:02:31* This is where it gets a little this is where it gets CGI for sure. *01:02:34* Absolutely, because they can't really film that. *01:02:38* And I didn't think it looked bad though. *01:02:42* Like I think the CGI looks much better here. *01:02:43* We've come a long way within the past six or seven years uh from too fast, too furious, which is kind of impressive, honestly. *01:02:45* 'Cause too fast is early two thousands, and we get to this, and I'm like, oh, this I could go see this in the theater now, and I really wouldn't think too much of it, to be honest. *01:02:53* Looks better than some of the Marvel stuff that's been coming out lately, if I'm being totally real with you. *01:03:01* Um *01:03:06* But that's not the VFX people's fault. *01:03:07* I I there's really nothing else to say here. *01:03:10* Obviously they get Braga on the side of Mex on back in California, and there's a couple fights there. *01:03:12* And Dom, uh Come on, you gotta I wrote I wrote down in this scene it's there's so many cuts happening it's almost hard to know what happens *01:03:20* in that tunnel scene because it is so tight and congested. *01:03:30* There's a lot of things going on and it's hard to ever get a wide shot of the things that are actually going on. *01:03:33* Especially compared to the scene on the street. *01:03:40* Uh where they would take a different couple different shots outside the car and inside the car and they would show different things going on. *01:03:42* This it's just all the shots are mainly *01:03:48* In the cars are really tight on the cars in the tunnels. *01:03:51* So it's like hard to and it's cutting non-stop between these different shots. *01:03:54* So it's like hard to know what's going on in some of these sequences. *01:03:57* I feel like they were probably trying to go for a claustrophobic feeling because it's a secret tunnel under the border. *01:04:00* Which they conceptually *01:04:07* Makes sense. *01:04:09* But you're right. *01:04:10* It's so fast and snappy. *01:04:11* You don't know really if they're driving into a pillar that will kill them or not. *01:04:12* It's the way out isn't *01:04:17* clear to the viewer. *01:04:20* Um so you're just kind of alone for the ride and it kind of gets a little snappy whiplashy through the tunnel there. *01:04:22* But when they explode out on the other side *01:04:30* And opens back up, that's um when they get to have some more fun here with the the finale. *01:04:32* So Brian and what's the other guy's name? *01:04:37* Is it Phoenix? *01:04:39* Phoenix is that it yeah. *01:04:40* I thought Phoenix was the *01:04:42* Fake name of the man that Brog was pretending. *01:04:44* Campo or anyway, so they shoot out of the tunnel. *01:04:48* Brian crawls out, he's about to kill him, correct? *01:04:53* And then Vin shoots out of the tunnel. *01:04:56* Phoenix is about to kill Brian, yes. *01:04:58* Yeah. *01:05:00* And then and then Dom shoots out of the tunnel, does a wheelie *01:05:01* Yes. *01:05:06* On his back two wheels, runs into this man, crushes him between a car, and then just says, and that's it. *01:05:06* He does a wheelie on his car and then he kills this man. *01:05:16* Also, he lets his dad's car blow up again, doesn't he? *01:05:19* Yeah. *01:05:23* Cause he says 'cause he jumps between the two cars in the tunnel, which is pretty cool. *01:05:23* That's a cool part. *01:05:28* He realizes he can't get out of his own car before he hits this wall, so he just opens his door and casually jumps to the other car *01:05:29* uncharted Nathan Drake style and then decides that's my car now. *01:05:37* Uh so that's a cool moment and then yeah he blasts out of the tunnel, kills this man, and then just gives him a good one liner and that's *01:05:42* That's basically the end of the film. *01:05:49* Uh, because then he goes to jail and then the final scene. *01:05:52* I think it's important for to to point out that *01:05:56* Brian tries to encourage Dom to run away again, which is a callback to the first film. *01:06:00* But Dom *01:06:06* has changed going from I'll never go back to I'm tired of running, I'm done running. *01:06:08* And I think that that shows that he've got the vengeance and he feels like Letty *01:06:14* has been, you know, avenged and laid to rest, and he's just done. *01:06:22* And I think subtly that's point he without Letty, he feels a bit lost. *01:06:26* and he's ready to face um, you know I keep saying it, but face the music, you know, for whatever crimes he's committed. *01:06:33* And so he gets arrested. *01:06:41* and sentenced f to 25 years to life. *01:06:43* And then we get the tease at the end, the, oh, it ain't over yet. *01:06:46* Of them saving him. *01:06:51* And this is this tease at the end is kind of why my opening question at the top is was, why is Brian still a cop? *01:06:52* Because Brian is still from at the end of all these movies, it's implied like *01:06:58* Brian's kind of rogue. *01:07:03* He doesn't I mean he's a cop, sure. *01:07:05* It is not he's doing things that aren't cop-like, and he's not really a c he's breaking the law himself. *01:07:07* He's not really a good guy *01:07:14* And then at the end at the start of every one of these movies again, it's like Brian or I guess too fast, not as much. *01:07:16* They rope him back into it. *01:07:21* This so it's not shown, which is *01:07:23* Poor, but he resigns from the FBI after Dom's like sentence. *01:07:27* I assume his must. *01:07:31* So Brian is no longer a cop *01:07:32* As of the end of this movie. *01:07:36* So. *01:07:38* But yeah, you're right. *01:07:39* It's like, uh, why do we keep letting this guy like chase villains? *01:07:40* He keeps breaking the law. *01:07:44* If Fast Five is about them trying to rope Brian back into being a cop again, I'm gonna be like, I don't know what we're doing with you guys. *01:07:45* You're gonna you're gonna call up J. *01:07:52* Edgar Hoover and be like, I'm s I'm questioning your hiring power. *01:07:54* I think I do broadly know the plot of *01:07:57* Fast five though, and it's that they're all on the run and then they send the rock after them and he's like, I gotta catch Dom Toretto. *01:07:59* I think that's broadly the plot of that film, if I'm correct. *01:08:07* Is there anything else you would like to say about the broad story of this movie, or just overall, before we get into some of the more specifics? *01:08:10* Actually I do have a very specific question for you. *01:08:17* Why do you think this movie is so bad? *01:08:19* Is it the things we've touched on before with the plot and the Letty stuff retroactively not being good? *01:08:21* Like what would you say are the things that make this truly *01:08:26* awful in your estimation. *01:08:30* Because I really do think a lot of it's just the plot doesn't really work. *01:08:32* Yeah. *01:08:35* So even at the time before we knew Letty would come back, this movie was still at the weakest. *01:08:36* And I think a *01:08:43* It's just the lull in it. *01:08:45* It's not there are long stretches of build-up, but then it gets very quick. *01:08:47* To suddenly we're running drugs across the border and then we're blowing up cars and now we're hiding. *01:08:53* Like it's we bounce very quickly to get to the end. *01:08:59* It it feels almost too accelerated. *01:09:02* after a long stint of Well I guess we're gonna try and crack this case together. *01:09:05* You're the good cop, I'm the bad cop, sort of dynamic between Brian and Dom. *01:09:11* There's there's a lot of there's a lot of scenes in the *01:09:16* police station too, which I just don't I didn't find any of those interesting. *01:09:19* Like Brian has a partner and she's trying to help him and stuff like that. *01:09:23* I'm like, I just don't care about any of these people. *01:09:25* And like we go back to that those characters quite a bit throughout the movie and *01:09:28* I get that he's I again, this is kind of my back to my point of like, why did we make Brian a cop again in this movie? *01:09:33* Like, I feel like they could have done something drastically more interesting to bring them all *01:09:39* Back together in such a way. *01:09:44* That like like even the the plot of this movie could have been still Letty's Dead *01:09:47* Vin goes er Dom goes back to LA to try to r avenge her. *01:09:51* He finds out that Paul Walker has been out on the East Coast for a couple years, but he's now back in LA for one reason or another too, and maybe *01:09:56* Dom goes and recruits Brian to help him with this because he knows Brian would I don't agree with that. *01:10:04* I don't agree with that because the tension *01:10:10* Between Brian and Dom, I think is is is essential because there was the betrayal at the end of the movie, even though they saved Vince's life. *01:10:13* Brian. *01:10:21* The Busta was still an undercover cop and betrayed all the trust and he hurt Mia. *01:10:23* No, that's all that stuff. *01:10:28* So I *01:10:29* Having Brian be a cop almost just felt more like we need him to be there needs to be tension between Brian and Dom, and let's portray that with *01:10:30* One is a vigilante batman now, and the other is the police officer. *01:10:40* And then how do those two end up working together? *01:10:45* Because they *01:10:48* While they're not directly confrontational, where Dom's like I have the same goal kill you, they have the same goal, but they go about it a different way. *01:10:49* And eventually then they come together and form that team angle. *01:10:57* with it and so I it it's weird that Brian is just a cop again after *01:11:01* Not being a cop, but being a cop and things like that. *01:11:09* So it it feels more part of the soft reboot angle of this. *01:11:12* It's just like Brian's a cop and everyone will accept it. *01:11:15* And it makes it easier for people that may have started with this movie. *01:11:18* Because again, new model original parts. *01:11:23* Yeah. *01:11:25* Like if Brian's just a cop in the movie, that means no one has to know that he was *01:11:26* you know, uh a narc and then was in Miami running from cop. *01:11:31* Like it just cleans it up. *01:11:36* It serves the purpose of yeah, and especially because they were clearly trying to move away from too fast. *01:11:37* Like they that movie's not referenced a single time in any capacity in this movie that I could really think of. *01:11:43* Like he didn't even m he didn't even mention that he had been out in *01:11:49* Miami or anything like that. *01:11:53* So not one bit. *01:11:54* So it's it's funny. *01:11:56* It's sort of like Thor Darkworld. *01:12:00* retroactively being one of the most important movies of the MCU simply because of what they do with Endgame. *01:12:03* Now, it's not like they retroactively go back to Fast and Furious and make it the most important one. *01:12:10* But this is one of the more important movies simply because it is the the springboard to the future that it becomes. *01:12:15* Yeah. *01:12:24* Yeah, where we can excel this art form. *01:12:24* of bombastic action adventure movie and this is where they start. *01:12:27* Now is it a strong start? *01:12:34* No. *01:12:36* And I think the leap that we make to five and six and so on is substantial. *01:12:37* And it's actually *01:12:44* We'll discuss it in future episodes, but this movie had to be here, and I'd rather them try on this, stumble, and then give us what we want later. *01:12:46* I think the one other thing, and again, I've not seen any of the other ones, so this is just me speaking from speaking broadly from the trailers and things like that and broad exposure to the franchise that I've seen. *01:12:54* Is that the other problem with this movie is that it tries to take itself too seriously, and it's clear that the other ones start being way more campy. *01:13:05* It's cle like they know that what is going on on the screen in these films, in the later films, is dumb. *01:13:14* And so we're just gonna lean into that and you shouldn't take any of this too seriously. *01:13:21* And *01:13:25* It's just supposed to be a big fun action movie that you go to the movie theater to see and you have a good time. *01:13:26* This movie takes itself too seriously at times. *01:13:33* It's got w s way too heavy of *01:13:36* themes with you know the whole plot centering out again around Letty's death, but then we've got a drug lord at the center of this and he's deathly ser uh this serious character. *01:13:39* It's *01:13:50* Dom's mad the whole movie. *01:13:50* There's very little. *01:13:52* The best parts of the movie is when Dom and uh Brian have some banner, which is pretty rare because Dom for the most part in this movie is very *01:13:53* focused and straightforward and headstrong on what he's trying to accomplish here to avenge Letty. *01:14:02* Uh like I think about the moment where he's like, oh now you owe me a 10 second car and then he again elbows out another window. *01:14:07* He elbows out of the window of a car and he's like, Well, here you go. *01:14:15* Uh now we're even. *01:14:17* So yeah, I don't I don't know. *01:14:19* I feel like we've I we obviously wanted to touch on the stunts and uh *01:14:20* visual effects and the editing, uh things like that. *01:14:24* I think I feel like we've naturally touched on all those things. *01:14:27* Um if there's anything else you want to mention. *01:14:30* There was another stunt thing I wanted to mention, uh the chase, the Mad Max chase you were talking about. *01:14:32* That also practical cars driving and stuff, but the flips were also practical, and I was shocked that people were inside those cars. *01:14:38* Um, they used air cannons to pop them up and flip them. *01:14:47* Stumping her crazy. *01:14:51* There were men in those cars. *01:14:53* I could not believe it. *01:14:55* I was stunned. *01:14:57* So, I mean, obviously safety precautions were taking roll cages, armor, things like that, but still driving a car at 50 miles an hour and then flipping it. *01:14:59* is a bit bonkers. *01:15:09* So it's an interesting way to earn a living for sure. *01:15:11* I was surprised at the *01:15:15* practicality in this film because I definitely thought there was more uh CG like i uh the CG to practical ratio was in favor of CG significantly in this movie. *01:15:17* I *01:15:30* uh re recall and coming back and watching it and then learning about how they shot things, I was surprised at the dedication of practicality, which *01:15:30* i ki I talked about in the earlier episode is some practicality is something they hold on to and it's nice to see it's still being held on to here and we'll see how it goes in the future. *01:15:39* But I was I was surprised and I'm happy about it. *01:15:51* Um again I feel like we've touched largely on the editing and stuff like that throughout. *01:15:55* I don't I don't know if we want to touch on that. *01:16:00* Uh going to music and sound. *01:16:02* This is the worst on that front by a mile. *01:16:06* The in the previous films the music really I think kind of set a tone. *01:16:09* And again, a a lot of those there's some hits of *01:16:14* uh music in this that are from popular artists and things like that, but it's way further and fewer between and it leads to uh the score itself being leaned on more heavily. *01:16:19* And I think again that makes it more of a serious tone to this film. *01:16:29* Uh I think a lot of the uh tracks from various artists that were in the previous two movies that we've watched again *01:16:33* Made it feel more early two thousands, made it feel lighter, made it feel more of that era, and that's kind of gone with this film for the most part, I think. *01:16:41* Yeah, it's I mean this is the start of the soundtracks having one or two identifiable songs and that's like songs written for the movie or at least applied to the movie. *01:16:50* Blanco by Pitbull *01:17:02* Featuring Pharrell Williams as the song for this movie. *01:17:04* And then there's also another pit bull song that has a little John in it, crazy with a K. *01:17:07* Um *01:17:13* Huh. *01:17:15* Apparently Crank That Soldier Boy was not included or could have been included at the times what Wikipedia's saying. *01:17:16* Like it's not as identifiable in the movie. *01:17:22* I'm sure maybe going back and looking at the actual soundtrack they were *01:17:26* Songs probably on there of the time that but it doesn't feel like it's tied to the movie the same way that the previous *01:17:30* Two films that we've watched uh do intertwine with their soundtracks and capture the vibe of the movie itself. *01:17:38* So it is a miss and um *01:17:46* Yeah, I'm curious to knowing that Brian Tyler is the one that does pretty much every movie from here on out, I'm curious to see how *01:17:50* themes evolve if we notice them, if they're prominent, how that stuff works beyond just famous musicians providing, you know, the hit single for the film. *01:17:59* Alright, let's do best car. *01:18:08* Best car baby. *01:18:12* There are a lot of cars in this movie, but I don't know if there are many extreme standouts. *01:18:13* Did I give you a link to the cars? *01:18:19* Did you have it? *01:18:22* I have I have it here. *01:18:23* I know what I I know which one I'm going with. *01:18:24* Okay. *01:18:26* So for the f well what is yours? *01:18:27* What is yours? *01:18:30* Let's start with you. *01:18:30* I like *01:18:31* I like Dom's car in this movie quite a bit. *01:18:32* I've been a Paul Walker guy in m the other ones we've done, but I do like Dom's 1970 Chevelle that he drives a handful of times in this movie. *01:18:34* I think it's cool and it fits him. *01:18:42* Interesting. *01:18:45* That is the one that I like. *01:18:46* I think it's nothing fancy, but it's it looks cool in the scenes that they that it's in. *01:18:48* Hmm. *01:18:55* This is the first movie that we have watched together doing these car things that I I am having a tough time picking. *01:18:56* There are four cars that I like a lot. *01:19:03* I'm gonna I'm I need to talk through my future. *01:19:05* Drop me the link you you have out of curiosity. *01:19:07* Um Well, I have the one. *01:19:09* I'm gonna have to find the whole list again. *01:19:11* But the first car that I like a lot is the Gran Torino, which reminds me of *01:19:14* Gran Torino with uh Clint Eastwood. *01:19:24* It's that same car and or same style of car. *01:19:27* I like it a lot. *01:19:32* It's the villain's car. *01:19:33* Oh, it's the one that's got the F bomb on it? *01:19:34* Yeah. *01:19:36* Yeah, yeah, yeah. *01:19:37* Yeah. *01:19:38* So I like that. *01:19:38* It literally says F bomb on it. *01:19:40* it does it yeah I'm the green one yeah there's a there's I think I think there's uh some detailing on the side that has like an atomic bomb and it says F bomb *01:19:43* Sure. *01:19:53* Okay. *01:19:53* I'm that's probably a real thing. *01:19:54* I again I'm incredibly partial to the Skyline GTR that Brian drives. *01:19:56* It's blue, pr um much cleaner look than the one from Two Fast Two Furies, but I *01:20:02* I like it. *01:20:07* It's Brian's car. *01:20:07* The uh if everything goes according to plan, the show art for this particular episode is going to be the *01:20:09* Um it's a Honda, not an Acura, but well I guess it the Acura is the make. *01:20:16* But the Honda Acura NSX, which is what Mia is driving at the very end of the movie. *01:20:20* Yeah, that's a quick low. *01:20:25* I like it. *01:20:27* It's a great car *01:20:28* And then Giselle's Porsche, which is not on the page I sent you. *01:20:29* I was surprised that the Porsche was not mentioned. *01:20:37* But Giselle drives a Porsche up to them or a Porsche. *01:20:39* In Mexico, when she helps them get to where Braga is at the church, I just think that car is clean looking. *01:20:43* That's a nice *01:20:51* Just clean car doesn't do a lot of it does very little driving at all, but it's very pretty to look at. *01:20:52* So I'm really torn between all of these. *01:20:58* Um *01:21:02* I won't. *01:21:02* I also need I also need to shout out uh the F-bomb car I was referring to is actually the Camaro there. *01:21:03* It even says it's right underneath the Gran Torino, the nineteen seventy three Chevy Camaro F-Bomb. *01:21:09* That's the one *01:21:14* I've that uh I think that's the one that Phoenix drives actually. *01:21:15* So Okay. *01:21:18* I think All things considered *01:21:20* I think I gotta go with the the NSX, the Carmia drives. *01:21:26* It's just it's a lean I do agree. *01:21:30* It's it's in it it's in it for such a short period of time, but it is an awesome car. *01:21:33* That's why that's why I got that hot wheel for the show art, because it's a sweet, sweet car. *01:21:39* It's in it for just a very quick second. *01:21:44* But yeah, that was the one at the end that I was like, that's the coolest one driving down the street here. *01:21:46* Mm. *01:21:51* So cool. *01:21:52* Uh the Acura N S X and uh the nineteen seventy Chevel S S *01:21:53* I just think that one, I just think the Chefelle is really cool and it fits with Dom. *01:22:00* That's the card I feel like that people think about when they think of Dom. *01:22:03* Maybe I'm wrong and there's more feature. *01:22:08* The well the charger, yeah. *01:22:11* But that thing's a death trap. *01:22:12* But that thing's a death trap. *01:22:14* He says so. *01:22:16* That's why it keeps blowing up. *01:22:17* I'm sure it'll keep coming back over and over and over and over again. *01:22:18* That's like a cat *01:22:23* What is uh I don't feel like we need to have too long of a discussion about this talking point because I feel like we've mentioned a lot before, but what is the legacy of this film? *01:22:25* It is did it started everything that came after. *01:22:33* Uh is the reboot. *01:22:36* Yeah, this is the reboot of the series. *01:22:38* If you want to know where *01:22:40* What the series became came from. *01:22:41* Here it is. *01:22:43* If you want to know how they went from Tokyo Drift to Fast Five, it's this movie. *01:22:44* This was the segue. *01:22:50* And it's a rough segue. *01:22:52* Again, I don't I don't think any of these have been ha horrible by any means. *01:22:58* But it is the one that is just the most *01:23:02* I I think that's another element of the legacy of this one. *01:23:05* Obviously going off of the Rotten Tomatoes and stuff. *01:23:08* This is one of the worst ones too. *01:23:12* So the legacy is that this is what rebooted it, but also this movie stinks kind of *01:23:14* Yeah, it's interesting in that kind of having that duality to it. *01:23:19* So it changed the franchise, but it also is not *01:23:24* Good. *01:23:29* When everybody found out that I was watching these movies and they're like, oh, I can't wait for you to watch this, and I can't wait for you to see this. *01:23:29* I can't wait for you to like no one mentioned this movie. *01:23:35* To me. *01:23:38* No, whatsoever. *01:23:38* Yeah. *01:23:39* Like everybody's been like, I can't wait for you to see Too Fast and Tokyo Drift and Fast Five and Fast Six and *01:23:40* Fast seven and the last one with Paul Walker and blah blah b yeah, no one mentioned this one. *01:23:47* And so I think that's very much he's the black sheep of the series in a lot of regards. *01:23:53* I'm too fast it probably is because they don't *01:23:58* Acknowledge it for a long time, I would imagine. *01:24:01* Maybe they acknowledge it in the next one. *01:24:04* I hope Roman's in the next one. *01:24:05* I know the rock is in the next one. *01:24:07* So *01:24:09* You're next retreat watching at least. *01:24:10* I think it's a lot of people's favorites. *01:24:15* So better be good. *01:24:17* I've heard a lot of things about that movie over the years. *01:24:18* So *01:24:21* So it's uh you are in for a treat for sure. *01:24:22* But that's gonna do it for Fast and Furious before we move on to the rest. *01:24:26* of the series. *01:24:33* Thank you all for listening. *01:24:34* Appreciate it so much. *01:24:35* If you would like to find Logan online, you can follow him on Twitter at Moreman12 and his writing over at comicbook. *01:24:36* com. *01:24:43* You can follow myself on Twitter at Max Roberts143 and my writing over at maxfrequency. *01:24:43* net. *01:24:49* You can follow the show on Twitter at chapter select. *01:24:49* Season four right now, the Fast and Furious. *01:24:53* Spring 2023, that window is going to be season five, Resident 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