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Enjoy. --- Well now I'm excited because Oh, now he wants to hurt me up. *00:00* I mean I'm not s I'm not spoiling anything for you at all. *00:04* When they sent us the c the code, there was a preview embargo and there was a review embargo. *00:07* Sure. *00:12* My preview embargo is up. *00:13* People have published things. *00:15* And I'll probably write something about this uh next week. *00:16* But the preview embargo ends where that where the cutoff point is, I just re I just reached. *00:20* And so now I'm past that point. *00:28* And after that *00:31* I understand why that's the cutoff point. *00:33* And exciting things are happening. *00:36* And I'm like, oh baby. *00:38* Okay. *00:39* Things are going down. *00:40* I'm excited. *00:41* Look, I even uh *00:42* It's very hot, but you know, celebrating today. *00:44* I'm taking a page out of Thor's book. *00:50* Oh my gosh. *00:54* Thor! *00:55* He's a big drunkard in Norse mythology. *00:56* No, you're taking a page out of Kurt Russell's book. *00:59* I guess. *01:03* Belgian Ale. *01:04* Um *01:07* But yeah, I'm excited for you to play this video game, sir. *01:10* Yeah. *01:14* Obviously. *01:15* It's interesting because *01:16* This is the f Hmm This is the first game that we've done in a while where one of us says a review code. *01:20* And that w like we know we're going to talk about it on a show. *01:32* So it's weird. *01:35* Obviously you have a review and you'll have written your thoughts and you'll have had time to digest a lot of this *01:40* And basically once I beat the game is when we'll probably record Ragnarok. *01:46* So I'll be coming in it really hot and fresh, and you'll be I imagine you'll beat the game this week, unless you're swamped. *01:51* Um *01:59* Probably. *02:00* Yeah, I mean I've gotten nothing to do with that. *02:00* So then you'll have, you know, two weeks of cool down and thought and time to write and you know poke around with post-game, whatever that may be, you know? *02:02* fight the Valkyries. *02:11* I'm curious what that I'm curious what the postgame will look like because I mean obviously I don't know anything, but if this is Ragnarok and the whole Norse pantheon's supposed to be a little bit more than a little bit of a Yeah, do they do the cheap thing where it's like uh just reload before the final save? *02:12* Yeah, I don't know. *02:24* I was wondering that too, like how are they gonna work around that? *02:25* Because clearly they'll want you to go clean things up, I would imagine. *02:28* But I don't know. *02:32* Yeah, that's a that's an interesting game design predicament. *02:34* Uh I'm excited for you. *02:37* Uh guess what I did yesterday? *02:41* What was that? *02:45* I I decided to do a cold cold call email. *02:46* So who? *02:51* Sony? *02:52* Uh well I did uh I did apply to their press page, like the official channel. *02:53* Uh but I decided because I have absolutely nothing to lose. *02:59* Um to reach out to Corey? *03:03* No, not Corey, gosh. *03:06* That'd be great. *03:07* I have uh from my God of War 2018 coverage, I have Sony's PR blasts. *03:08* From that, which includes the email addresses of two managers of PR. *03:14* So I sent them an email yesterday as well. *03:20* Well, I wish you luck, sir. *03:23* I d I expect zero response. *03:26* I'm probably blocked, filtered out of the system. *03:28* Doesn't matter. *03:31* But I thought if there was any chance *03:32* Might as well take it. *03:35* Could be fun. *03:36* Yeah. *03:38* Exactly. *03:39* I I have zero skin in the game. *03:39* No one else there's no consequences for anyone else, so *03:41* Yeah, we'll see. *03:44* Yeah. *03:46* Um, like I texted you last night, like the thing that I am most excited about as I play through it is they literally *03:47* Like I know you were like, oh I don't want to watch the trailers and conversely I was like I'm gonna overanalyze all the trailers I overanalyzed all the trailers and I watched them each countless times *03:55* I've seen essentially everything that has been in all the trailers already. *04:06* Isn't that awesome? *04:09* And it's like I'm like five to six hours in. *04:10* Like the only things *04:13* Not to I mean I don't think this is a spoiler. *04:15* Like one of the only things I haven't seen that is a big key moment from one of the trailers would be the wolves *04:17* Like I haven't seen that yet. *04:22* I feel like shooting the arrow into the the side. *04:24* I feel like that's a late I feel like that's a very game thing, yeah. *04:26* But like everything else like has happened. *04:31* And I'm like, dang *04:33* I don't know what's gonna go down in this game now. *04:34* Do you know what that tells me? *04:37* That that Thor Clash is early and that Freya is early, and I'm like, mmm, yes, I like this. *04:39* Well I mean, again, this is not a spoiler, but *04:44* God of War, the last God of War game, told you what would happen there with the final go home and sleep and then you see Thor. *04:48* Oh no, if you go and do that, yes, absolutely. *04:57* Which is one of the hypest *04:59* Secret, secret endings. *05:03* Um, you know, out there. *05:05* And you know that that moment is in the game, and seeing that moment play out is *05:07* Spicy? *05:13* It's very it's very unexpected what happens in that sequence. *05:14* They just I had a big old I had a big old smile on my face the whole time. *05:19* And the right the *05:24* This is the thing that like you this is the thing that has stood out to me the most as like a big old nerd, and this is probably what'll stick out to you the most is that the writing *05:26* Is so good because there are just one-off lines in these games that reference back to the older God of War games. *05:36* And you would never think to anything about it whatsoever. *05:44* Unless you have played the other ones. *05:48* Like Kratos will just drop a couple nuggets here and there and you're like and you're like one minute repeat *05:49* Yeah, there's there's one moment I'm like, did he just reference God of War Ascension? *05:55* Like there's like things like that that happened. *05:59* I'm telling you, now that I have an Android phone, I should *06:03* figure out how to put betrayal on it. *06:06* That's what I should do. *06:08* I'll play God of War Betrayal. *06:10* One other thing, and this is very small and this is not again *06:12* I'm not telling you anything sportive. *06:16* I trust you. *06:17* I trust you. *06:18* The codec the one small thing that I love about this game is that *06:18* And there's a codex, obviously, that shows you all of the different major players, like all the different beasts, interesting fun. *06:24* That's a Kingdom Hearts thing. *06:30* Is it well is that I thought that was in the last one, but maybe it wasn't. *06:32* I don't recall a codex that like was like, this is Kratos, this is Atreus, this is Freya. *06:35* So it's like you have like a journal basically. *06:41* And it's like a code. *06:43* Oh, and it describes all the major characters that you come across. *06:44* There's Mimir and Thor and Atreus and Freya and uh and then there's different ones for all the beasts. *06:48* But rather than just broadly describing the characters, the details of the characters are written by Kratos himself and are in his own voice. *06:55* If they hear him narrate? *07:05* No, he doesn't narrate, but his personal character descriptions of each character are from the perspective of Kratos. *07:07* Yes. *07:15* So when we read it would be like *07:15* Yes, it's like it's like he actually it's like he actually journaled and is like describing us or something. *07:18* Again, Sony Santa Monica out here stealing. *07:24* Nathan Drake's journal in Ellie's diary. *07:28* Wow. *07:30* Kind of. *07:31* Come up with something original. *07:31* But it's written in his voice, which is really cool, and I like that quite a bit. *07:33* Does that imply that Kratos knows how to write now in in nor well, I guess he can write in Greek. *07:38* He's a general, obviously. *07:46* He can't *07:47* It's I mean it's established that he learned the language between the games. *07:48* Whenever you come across runes, Kratos now reads them. *07:53* Oh, okay, okay. *07:56* So he can read now. *07:57* Uh good job. *07:58* Okay. *08:00* Cool. *08:01* I don't know. *08:01* Again, another one a couple of the other people *08:05* That we so we have like a couple review copies and I've been talking about with some of the people. *08:10* I would assume yeah, you guys probably have a few. *08:14* And uh they're like, I'm kinda lost. *08:17* Like this is some of the things that are happening and I feel like I'm like lost. *08:20* I'm like, I'm not. *08:23* I've known how like like when I said that my main reaction has been like this the whole time, and I'm like, hmm, like *08:24* Like I said, we've talked about this game so much and like overanalyzed it that my reaction to the cutscenes, like the big cutscenes, it's less of like me being like *08:32* Responding to what's happening and it's more like, hmm, I'm very interested to see what they do here because I've thought of this in my own head, like *08:42* a countless times over. *08:49* So like So one thing I would like you to do, and maybe you thought of doing this up on your own anyway, um, but go back and listen to our predictions and speculation. *08:51* after you beat it to see where we land. *09:04* Cause I think having someone you know having you have known that because again, I'll be coming in hot. *09:06* Uh, I think that would be helpful. *09:13* Cause I think we're fairly ish spot on, at least have a general pretty good sense. *09:14* Like you and I *09:19* understand this game I think more than the average. *09:22* I mean a lot of our broad again this is all like like very broad things that we knew. *09:24* And obviously I've told you the trailers are all early game. *09:31* So the game kind of starts and it's like, hey, we gotta find tier. *09:33* And that's like the first major sort of stuff that happens. *09:37* But you and I expected that long ago. *09:40* Like we're like, okay, so they're gonna go after tier. *09:42* That's gonna be the first thing that probably happens in the game. *09:44* And we expected that for a long time and but yeah, like seeing that stuff like Yeah, it's basically been like everything up until this point has been pretty expected for me. *09:47* There have been some major I mean, there are some huge curveballs though, where I'm like, what the heck is going on? *09:57* So there are some huge surprises, but a lot of it has played out so far, I think in a way that you and I expected *10:03* I mean we had like our chapter markers, the questions, will Kratos die? *10:10* What does the mural mean? *10:15* A trace is fate? *10:17* Will he turn into animals? *10:18* Will he give birth to a giant serpent? *10:21* Will Thor fight a giant serpent? *10:23* Will there be time travel? *10:26* Will Kratos wield Mjolnir? *10:28* What are the rules of Mjolnir? *10:30* Would you like to hear one thing that's kind of funny? *10:34* What about Greg Miller? *10:37* And this is similar and I this is something I don't like. *10:38* This isn't about the game in general. *10:41* But this is one thing I noticed. *10:43* And they're doing a similar thing. *10:45* This'll make you feel good, I guess, but the trailers they released *10:47* Oh they're doing the they're doing part two thing where there are clear lies. *10:52* Have been altered. *10:57* There aren't clear lies. *10:58* Uh I guess the most blatant thing is *11:01* When the door opens and there's the man standing there, then we're like, oh and we're like, oh, I think that's Odin, but we couldn't really tell because he was all shadowy. *11:06* Not I've seen I've seen that scene. *11:17* There's no shadows on that person. *11:20* So they shadowed that person out. *11:22* I'm totally cool with it. *11:26* To keep people guessing and wondering. *11:28* That I feel like is almost essential these days, especially with big narrative, you know *11:31* Big games. *11:37* Like keep the mystery alive. *11:39* And the fact again, the fact that they have shown so little in four years, almost five. *11:40* Props to them, man. *11:49* It's the it's great. *11:50* This is the dream right here. *11:52* Best thing I can say so far is that *11:53* This game has in the first couple hours of this game there is a boss fight. *11:56* There are multiple boss fights I've already done. *12:02* But one of them in particular *12:05* Is probably one of the best boss fights I've ever seen in a video game. *12:08* It's I think you said the same thing about Baldur at the start. *12:12* It's a similar thing. *12:19* That opening fight with Baldur is awesome and is probably one of the best fights in the history of games. *12:20* And then they come out in a similar way with this game, with a fight that happens. *12:25* And it's like, holy crap. *12:30* I'm so stoked. *12:32* I uh part of me wants to take the Thursday off and have when you know Wednesday evening through Thursday, Friday, Saturday, and Sunday. *12:34* But I mean, we're gonna try to beat it in one weekend if that's feasible. *12:43* If it's I'll let you know how long it is. *12:47* I will say I'm like six to seven hours in and like *12:49* I feel like things are just still kind of like nothing huge has happened yet. *12:53* I want to spend as much time as possible with it in those three or four days. *13:00* And that's just cause who knows what my the schedule is gonna be um with work and *13:06* Coming in and all that's it's just who knows what's going on around that time. *13:14* We have a big release coming up soon. *13:18* So it's just if I can milk days off, I will. *13:21* Like I won't go to Frisbee that day on Saturday and *13:24* Um I'm just gonna hunker down and and do the best I can because also there's a baby in the house. *13:28* So then also by that time I'll let you know how the postgame stuff plays out too, so you know like if you wanna *13:33* push off side quests and not do them. *13:40* I can let you know what it's like if you mainline the game instead. *13:42* If that's something you want to do. *13:45* I want to naturally play it. *13:47* Uh because I haven't *13:48* I didn't naturally play God of War 2018. *13:50* It was all work. *13:52* So it was very it was a more systematic approach than normal. *13:53* I did s I did some side quests last night. *13:57* I went off the beaten path and did like two or three side quests and then this morning I *13:58* Start doing the mainline stuff again. *14:02* The one thing that I find myself I find myself thinking about a lot as I play this game, and that nothing that has happened in the story has caused me to think of this. *14:04* necessarily. *14:14* But it's just a thought that has popped in my back of my head the more I've played is I'm very *14:16* scared about Atreus in the sense that I hope he doesn't and again this is based on literally nothing that has happened in the game so far. *14:23* I hope he does not like betray Kratos or something like that. *14:33* And he's like the trickster. *14:36* Because the more I play this game and the more he's like, I'm uh Loki, who I'm Loki, who's Loki, blah blah blah blah. *14:39* I'm like *14:45* Hmm, Loki, trickster. *14:45* Always pulling the ball from people's eyes. *14:48* Is he gonna pull is he gonna is he gonna string Kratos along at some point in this game? *14:51* Is he gonna *14:55* Like these are things I'm finding myself thinking about now that Loki is very much like a player in these games, if that makes sense. *14:56* I he uh I feel like he kinda did that in twenty eighteen though, where he kinda did his little teen *15:05* teen angst of rrrrrh rebel not necessarily tricking anyone he was just against Kratos for a bit shot an arrow at him and everything. *15:12* So Yeah, maybe. *15:20* I don't know. *15:22* That's my that's my fear. *15:23* I don't want to get to the end of the game and then he's like, aha! *15:24* I'm secretly been stringing you along, Dad, and it's like, oh no. *15:29* Time to die. *15:33* Yeah. *15:35* And again, nothing that has happened so far has indicated such a thing, but *15:36* I'm just trying to think because I'm trying to think of what sort of elements of Loki they will have to incorporate into Atreus' character. *15:40* I just keep thinking about that as I play and I'm like, hmm. *15:55* Can I trust my son? *15:59* Can I can I trust Atreus in this game? *16:00* I don't know. *16:03* I am I'm stoked. *16:04* I'm super stoked. *16:06* Uh *16:08* It's really only two and a half weeks away, which is Yeah, it was crazy when I booted it up yesterday. *16:09* I was like, wow, that's ph weird. *16:16* I noticed you were all private, obviously. *16:17* I was like, dang man, I can't even see if he's *16:20* Can't even see it. *16:23* Yeah, I had to hide everything. *16:24* I remember that. *16:26* I uh that was how it always was. *16:27* Had to hide it all *16:30* So very strange first weekend living in this new place for me to just be like, okay, I guess I'll stay in my house and play the video again. *16:31* I do have some other stuff to do today after we do this, so I gotta build my nook. *16:38* I gotta *16:43* My parents were like 20 minutes away from you today. *16:45* They had breakfast somewhere down in Nashville, uh brunch or whatever. *16:49* He sent me a picture of the line for the place they stopped at. *16:55* like out and wrapped around the building. *16:59* I was like, I'll s I'll send it to you later to get the name. *17:02* They said it was really good food. *17:05* They ordered like online to go or something, but the line to get in and wait or whatever was wrapped around the building down the street. *17:07* That's about right. *17:14* I need to start figuring out places to explore and I've been trying to do all my basic stuff I needed get done this week. *17:15* Well yeah, you just got there this week. *17:22* Yeah, I'm trying to *17:24* ease into it rather than being like, I gotta explore the whole city. *17:24* I'm like, yeah, okay, I'll do this over time. *17:28* I live here now and no rush. *17:30* Yeah, it's good. *17:33* I didn't record any of this by the way. *17:37* I was recording. *17:39* It's illegal to do so. *17:40* I was recording. *17:41* Actually, that's not necessarily true. *17:42* Like I said, I can talk about *17:44* Most of the things I talked about. *17:46* And by the time people listen to this, it'll be next year. *17:47* No one's gonna care. *17:50* You didn't break any rules. *17:52* No one cares. *17:53* True. *17:55* And I'm not, you know me. *17:56* I would never break an embargo. *17:58* Well, I do genuinely not want to keep messaging you all kinds of things because it'll just make it harder. *18:01* But I almost certainly will message you a couple more like, oh my gosh Because that's just the kind of game that this is *18:07* Yeah. *18:16* I'm excited. *18:18* I'm excited. *18:19* I didn't realize um and this is also not a spoiler. *18:19* But I didn't realize until *18:24* I was playing this game that Faye is LaFey. *18:28* Yes. *18:34* I don't know how I never thought about that. *18:35* I was like, oh duh. *18:37* Like that totally was a very blatant tease in the last game that anybody could have seen coming with Atreus being low-key at the end of the game. *18:38* It would be just you have to just *18:47* know that La Fay is Loki's mother in Norse mythology and that's bad. *18:49* I mean that's it like *18:55* I never connected those dots for some reason. *18:59* Yeah, I'm mama. *19:03* I'm excited. *19:05* I'm so so excited. *19:07* I just don't know how this game is gonna end. *19:10* Well, I assume it ends with the end of the world. *19:13* Well the end of the Norse world. *19:16* Yes. *19:19* So not Then do they run off to Egypt or Hmm, do they pull an Assassin's Creed? *19:20* Did they run off to Greece? *19:26* Does Zeus show back up? *19:28* I wonder if there will be Greek stuff in this game. *19:30* Well similar to like Athena showing up in the last game and Zeus kind of showing up. *19:32* Back in hell, there's that big bird, and Zeus was way off in the distance, like all rumbly out there. *19:38* Now was that all hallucination? *19:45* and just hell projecting that into Kratos, but Atreus could see it, so what's that? *19:47* I'm also wondering how big each of the realms is going to be. *19:52* I'm in that regard, I'm curious how they expand and change the two that we know, Moosfulheim and Nifelheim. *19:57* If it's the same thing. *20:07* Niflheim is the more big of a bummer. *20:10* Because I do not like Niflheim. *20:13* Yeah, Mustf. *20:15* Mus yeah, Musflheim I already found Musflheim? *20:19* Musflheims, Musfelheim, I don't know, something like that. *20:22* I know the one is Svartlfeim. *20:25* Swarm Fime. *20:31* Yeah, Musfelheim um uh there's a moment in the game where you because don't you have to find the *20:34* And the last God of Wargame, don't you have to find the Bifrost things that allow you to go there, like the keys or whatever? *20:45* Runes. *20:51* You have to find the language runes. *20:52* Yeah, I found-unlocks them. *20:53* Yeah, I found one of the first runes needed to go to Musfelheim. *20:56* Again. *21:00* And when I picked it Yeah, and when Atreus is like *21:01* Oh hey, we found a rune to go to Musvelheim. *21:05* We should go back there if we can. *21:08* There's arenas and we can train and grow stronger. *21:09* I was like, oh no, are they just gonna keep it the exact same thing? *21:13* No *21:16* So I hope that's not the case, but doesn't what's his face have to come out of there though in Ragnarok? *21:18* The bird the big l lava giant man? *21:26* Yes. *21:30* Uh uh yes, I believe so. *21:31* His name is He was in the map. *21:32* In that map that they put out and people were analyzing, he's in the background of Moosewine. *21:34* So things could happen. *21:40* Who knows? *21:44* Yeah, Surter is the fire giant god and he hangs out in Muswellheim and he has a big role in Ragnarok. *21:44* So I'm wondering if he'll show up. *21:53* I feel like he has to. *21:58* Like there are just things that knowing Ragnarok and how it plays out, it's like, okay, we need some wolves, we need Fenrir, we need *22:00* y the world serpent, we need Surter to play a large role, Odin obvious like there are just things that like, I don't know. *22:07* I'm excited man. *22:17* I'm excited. *22:18* It's gonna be a good time. *22:19* Alright, let's do this one. *22:24* I'm gonna start recording now *22:26* Hello everybody and welcome to Chapter Select, a seasonal podcast where we bounce back and forth. *22:38* between a series exploring its evolution, design, and legacy. *22:43* For season four, we are covering the Fast and Furious series. *22:46* My name is Max Robertson. *22:50* I am joined, as always, by Logan Moore. *22:51* Hi Logan. *22:53* Max, we haven't recorded in almost a month, but it seems pretty appropriate this that this is our first recording we're doing again, considering that Fast 8 is all about daddies. *22:54* And you're now a daddy. *23:06* I am. *23:08* This is the first podcast I recorded since becoming a dad. *23:09* And *23:13* This movie is all about becoming a father, unbeknownst to oneself, but yes, also about becoming a father. *23:14* So I would like to report that the first time I held my child *23:21* uh was not, you know, behind bulletproof glass. *23:25* There was no airplane tracking or anything like that. *23:28* Did your baby mama get off on this? *23:30* No, it was all *23:34* Normal. *23:36* I no no family quite like Dominic Toretto's. *23:36* So well let me ask you this. *23:40* Would you turn against me if your child's fate was hanging in the balance? *23:41* Yes. *23:48* Unwavering loyalty to my child. *23:52* Well that I *23:54* And I've known the child longer than Dom knew the child. *23:55* Like my seventh birthday party. *24:05* But I would never actually betray you. *24:07* I would just secretly betray you. *24:09* And you would like know that I wasn't really betraying you, that there was a reason for my betrayal. *24:12* And then we'd like meet in an alley and have a nuclear football and it'd be a great moment of trust. *24:17* Yes. *24:23* Maxis movies pretty dumb. *24:24* Now that we're talking about all these things, this movie's pretty dumb in real life. *24:27* This movie is *24:30* Yeah, it's pretty dumb. *24:34* It's pretty dumb. *24:36* Uh Fate of the Furious, which is poorly spelled. *24:46* Um They had a golden opportunity, man, and they didn't take it. *24:50* No. *24:54* I think that's well documented. *24:55* I think we've brought that up multiple times throughout this season actually that it should have been F eight of The Furious, but you know *24:56* Uh I lay that one at the feet of F. *25:02* Gary Gray, who directed the film. *25:05* Uh Fate of the Furious came out on April 14th, 2017. *25:08* It was produced once again by Neil H. *25:11* Moritz, Vin Diesel, Michael Fotrel, and Chris Morgan. *25:14* The writer this time around was Chris Morgan. *25:17* Uh the primary actors in the film included Vin Diesel, Michelle Rodriguez, Tyrese Gibson, Chris Ludicaris Bridges, Natalie Emmanuel, Dwayne The Rock Johnson, Kurt Russell, Jason Statham. *25:20* And Charlie's Therone. *25:32* This cast is getting a little bloated, and we don't even have Paul Walker in it this time. *25:34* I didn't even write down that uh *25:40* I'm blanking on his name now. *25:44* Eastwood's kid's in it. *25:45* Scott Eastwood's in it too. *25:47* Yeah. *25:48* Yeah. *25:49* Uh the composer once again was Brian Tyler. *25:50* The Snut coordinator was JJ Perry, Spyro Razatos, and Troy Robinson, and the budget for this film was around two hundred and fifty to two hundred and seventy million dollars, which Maxie wrote is tied for the seventeenth most to most expensive movie ever made. *25:53* Along with Furious Seven and a bunch of other movies. *26:08* So they invested a lot in this movie, but they made back oh they made back about a billion dollars in profit because this movie grossed $1. *26:11* 236 billion worldwide. *26:19* Not as much as Furious Seven, but still over a billion dollars. *26:23* Which is pretty impressive because Furious Seven obviously had the added *26:27* you know, everything surrounding Paul Walker there, which is why I think that movie made so much money. *26:31* But the the drop off here between films was not that vast. *26:35* Um *26:39* So the Rotten Tomatoes score on this one critics rated this one at a 67% overall aggregate score. *26:40* Audiences gave it a 72% *26:46* And yeah, I don't know if you have any history with this one. *26:50* I obviously do not. *26:53* Now we're nearing the part where these films are a little bit more fresh in my brain. *26:55* This movie is only a little over five years old. *26:58* So I kind of remember the trailers that I've seen for these movies now. *27:01* Okay, yeah, sure. *27:05* So like I knew that the plot of this one was Vin Diesel turning against the family and teaming up with Charlize. *27:07* Um but that's about it. *27:14* Did you know why? *27:16* No. *27:18* So I did not know the data. *27:18* So we'll just do that. *27:20* Which we'll obviously talk about. *27:22* Okay, I wrote down all caps in my notes. *27:23* Dom is a secret father, three questi question mark, question mark, question mark. *27:26* I did not know that. *27:30* That was one thing that I straight up did not know. *27:31* So yeah, that was a surprise, but uh *27:35* What did you what's your own history? *27:37* Anything special here? *27:40* Just another fast movie you saw in theaters, I assume? *27:41* Exactly. *27:44* This is *27:45* I w I'm well in the train now, you know. *27:46* I since too fast, so it's just I'm here. *27:49* Day one, let's go. *27:51* It was *27:53* The pitch of Dominic Toretto is a bad dude now was always interesting-ish, you know, it's like a little spicy. *27:56* Like, alright, cool. *28:04* I mean if you I mean you're you're you're eight films in, you gotta find ways to mix it up. *28:06* Obviously while keeping the same I mean, previously the ways they mixed it up was like Tokyo Drift, let's introduce new characters and do something new. *28:10* They're not gonna deviate from the core family group now, so you gotta find other ways to mix it up. *28:17* So in this movie they make him a secret father, in the next movie they give him a secret brother. *28:23* All your favorite type of plot points. *28:28* Yeah, all my favorite classic Uncharted 4 style plot points. *28:30* I mean, yeah, let's just get right into our own impressions. *28:35* I think this movie *28:37* Is not good. *28:40* I think this is bottom tier fast stuff. *28:41* I would put this below seven, below six. *28:44* Of the new era, like fast and furious, fast four onward. *28:46* This is bottom two. *28:51* It's fast four and fast eight are the two worst. *28:52* I I prefer five, six, and seven. *28:54* I think this movie is booty cheeks in a lot of ways. *28:56* Um *29:00* I don't disagree at all. *29:01* It is it is um low on the totem pole of out of the recent out of all of them really. *29:02* But it's it's that good trash. *29:09* Like it's just it's good trash. *29:13* It's bad, but it's good trash *29:16* Entertaining trash maybe is a better way to put it. *29:19* This was my biggest problem coming into this, and this is something that *29:22* I've gotten used to from Fast Six onward. *29:27* Like Fast Six, I think the plot was very cliched, and it was not that great, but it was filled with so many good action sequences. *29:29* I think the action sequences in this movie are pretty underwhelming and not particularly enjoyable, which was the thing that surprised me the most while watching it. *29:37* I wrote down *29:46* Uh one of my notes was just, wow, this movie is surprisingly boring. *29:48* Like, which I think was the thing that caught me the most off guard because I'm obviously *29:53* At this point, I know what the series is. *29:57* I know they're just kind of fun popcorn films. *29:59* I know what I'm signing up for. *30:02* It's just gonna be mindless action fun where we're watching superheroes in cars, basically. *30:03* Like, and I'm not expecting anything more than that, but as far as the action sequences go, yeah, I really do feel like this is some of the worst of the modern series here. *30:09* So *30:19* It is, especially coming off of Furious Seven, because Furious Seven built really well. *30:20* This sequence leads into this one, leads into this. *30:25* This movie kinda has *30:28* Two, three major set pieces. *30:30* They're very far apart. *30:34* And then a couple of fights in between. *30:35* And one fight in particular is excellent. *30:38* But it's not as it's disjointed compared to previous films. *30:41* It's almost like Furious Six in that way, where it was like, here's the tank, here's the plane. *30:47* But these set pieces don't feel as good. *30:54* They're not as uh they just feel too disjointed, not as entertaining *30:57* They're very singular in how they are carried out too. *31:03* Like the at least in Fast Six, the one thing I really liked about that is that there's a lot of moving parts. *31:06* Like I think about the plane sequence in the end. *31:11* You've got some people in the plane that are fighting and you've got fistfights going on with Dom and some others. *31:13* And then outside the plane you've got them trying to shoot the wings and keep it from flying off. *31:17* Like you've got different things going on in different spots. *31:21* They're all part of the same set piece, but there are different *31:24* pieces of action going on that are keeping things somewhat interesting. *31:27* You got what's her name? *31:30* Giselle flying off into the void. *31:31* Uh and this like the final set *31:33* piece is very much just oh no there's cars chasing after us on ice we gotta run and now there's a submarine like everything that is happening is happening at the same time to everyone if that makes any sense and there's really nothing else *31:36* no other variables within these action sequences that really change things up in interesting ways. *31:47* The only time that two things overlap really is toward the end with the airplane and the submarine. *31:53* But they don't directly impact each other. *31:59* And so it doesn't feel as good. *32:02* I was just thinking *32:04* Kind of really if we take these set pieces and associate it with the plot, it's actually a lot like Fast and Furious VI. *32:07* In Fast and Furious VI, Owen is collecting pieces to build some sort of device. *32:15* In Fate of the Furious, Cypher is collecting pieces to build some sort of device. *32:20* But in Furious VI, the *32:27* those events flow naturally together. *32:29* They culminate in the bad guy being captured, but then running away. *32:32* And it's all weaves together. *32:35* But this movie just feels *32:37* You don't really know what Cypher's up to until the end, and her whole thing is they will notice me, but you've been a secret hacker your whole life. *32:39* And so *32:49* Her motivations never land or connect. *32:50* She's a really poor villain. *32:53* And then I'm actually pretty not *32:55* Thrilled that she is gonna be re reappearing in Fast 9 and then I know she's still alive at the end of that movie in Fast X. *32:58* She's gonna be back again. *33:06* I'm not *33:07* enthusiastic about this. *33:08* It feels like they got Charlize similar to how they got Jason Statham to play Deckard Shaw. *33:10* They're like, oh well we got a huge big name actor. *33:16* We can't kill him off. *33:18* We can't get rid of him. *33:18* Uh not that they've been necessarily killing off villains left and right in this series. *33:20* Like Owen's still around and he shows back up in this movie. *33:24* So it's not like they really write out the villains entirely. *33:26* But it feels like they scored Charlize in this movie and they're and they're like, oh well sh it's Charlize. *33:31* She's a huge big name actress. *33:36* We have to make sure she sticks around and remains a major player moving forward. *33:38* And *33:41* Yeah, her character is not great. *33:42* That's one of my big problems with She's a huge problem in this movie. *33:44* She's so *33:48* This this is one thing I'll I'll say as far as the villains. *33:50* The past couple villains we've had in all these movies have been directly involved with the plots. *33:52* And that that would include *33:58* Kind of fast four onward. *34:00* Fast five, maybe not as much, um, because it's just kind of another I forget his name, but he's just kind of crime boss and they're they're they're enacting a plane against him. *34:01* Um but that movie's even got, you know, uh Hobbes in it. *34:10* So that that's even a little bit more of a direct conflict where they're facing off against a direct opponent, which would be either Hobbes, and then you have Owen in six, and then you have Deckard Shaw in seven. *34:14* Her the whole time she just hides away in her plane. *34:23* And she is so she just kind of is up in her ivory tower, is distanced away from everything else, and they're like, we gotta take her down. *34:26* And she's like *34:33* not really directly involved at any single point with it the uh conflict with *34:34* the family. *34:43* And I guess Dom kind of is the surrogate for that, and so Dom is the pseudo-villain in the movie of sorts. *34:43* But that doesn't really work because you know he's not really bad and you know he's you know at the end of the movie he's gonna be the good guy again and he's gonna save him and you just you're more interested in figuring out *34:51* how he gets out of this hold that she has on him. *35:04* Uh so the stakes feel very low and uh to introduce her as this big bad that's gonna carry forth into other movies *35:07* They don't do a good job of i I think if they would have maybe saved this plot line for let's say Fast Nine, where she then turns Vin against them, then that would have been more effective. *35:15* But to introduce a new villain that you want to be the big villain of the franchise moving forward *35:24* And then she doesn't do much and the actual villain is kind of dumb instead. *35:29* It just doesn't work. *35:33* Yeah, I don't like her in this movie. *35:34* Cypher strikes me as *35:37* Fast and Furious attempt to have like an overarching master, puppet master villain, kind of like in James Bond with Blofeld and um Spectre. *35:40* or in Mission Impossible with Solomon Lane, like controlling a bunch of stuff and being in multiple movies is kind of the one pulling all of the strings. *35:50* But she just never *35:59* connects and her plots never really jive or make sense. *36:02* Her whole thing here is just to get a nuke and like intimidate world superpowers. *36:07* There's just nothing *36:12* We're getting to super spy evil villains that don't necessarily connect with the plot of our characters here. *36:14* It just feels *36:21* Distributed. *36:22* But I feel like this was really the movie where I felt like it it is now officially getting too big and too outlandish for its own good in some ways. *36:30* And I know that it's only going to continue upping the ante moving forward with some of the other movies, and that's *36:39* kind of the MO of the franchise at this point. *36:44* But when I realized that nukes were now in play and was like the key plot device in this movie, like I b essentially just rolled my eyes. *36:47* Like it's getting so outlandish that *36:55* Like, there has to be a fine line. *36:59* There has to be a fine line between between you taking this seriously and it being so far gone and stupid town that it can't even engage you in a serious manner. *37:01* Um and I'm somebody who likes r really dumb stuff. *37:11* So I don't mind like I a good a good a good uh comparison *37:14* We talk about this a lot, like, w amongst our friend group, uh not in that you as much, but like Yakuza is a great example of this. *37:19* Totally goofy games, have a very aloof tone throughout much of the game, but they also tell these really serious, compelling plots with *37:25* interesting characters that have a lot of depth and I feel like the plots of these movies are getting so outlandish that the characters are now kind of getting lost in the shuffle. *37:33* It just doesn't feel like it fits with the fast family *37:43* We've gone from stealing things kind of in the first five movies. *37:47* Four really was busting a drug lord, but and two was as well. *37:52* But like stealing things and having some sort of villain or bully in that way. *37:55* To six being spy thing and Furious Seven also kind of really bringing us into this spy world with Mr. *37:59* Nobody and stuff. *38:07* But nukes feels like one strangely feels like one step too far beyond something like God's eye where we can track anyone anywhere. *38:08* Yes. *38:17* Nukes just feel like *38:18* One thing too much. *38:21* In the last movie to, you know, find Deckard and then take it take him down. *38:25* And so it was still a personal conflict at the end of the day. *38:30* Nukes, it's like, okay, if this lady wants nuclear weapons, why are we in an enacting uh a team of street racers to take her down? *38:33* Like *38:43* Why why is she hiring a street racer to steal the nukes? *38:44* Yeah, it it's just getting so It just feels not connected. *38:48* It's getting it's getting too absurd for its own good, which again is something *38:53* that I have liked about this series a lot so far, but there has to be a line. *38:57* There has to be a dividing line between going and and they're just they're just too far past it. *39:01* Uh at this point. *39:07* And I imagine that's not going to get any better in the future movies. *39:08* So your imagination would be correct. *39:13* Just *39:16* Especially since I already know Fast Nine is the Secret Brother movie, the uncharted four-plot device. *39:17* As that even though they are trying they are getting so crazy with what the uh narratives of these movies are now and like what the actual goals are *39:28* This movie starts off once again with street racing. *39:38* It tries to keep things rooted with street racing, at least in some sense with all these movies. *39:40* Yeah. *39:47* And I think the street race is actually really fun in this one. *39:47* Because he's racing a piece of junk and he's driving backwards and a car blows up and like all kinds of dumb stuff happens in this race. *39:50* And that's fun. *39:58* So they keep *39:59* The street races to me are emblematic of them being like we have to acknowledge our roots. *40:01* We have to continue to acknowledge what this series is and where it came from and *40:05* Racing has to be at the center. *40:09* But it's it's proving to be such a bizarre dichotomy now where this movie starts off with, oh, Dom, and he's he's still a street racer at heart, and then *40:11* As soon as that scene is over, it it jumps to, you know, Charlie's getting involved and he's uh now a double agent and uh everything from there on feels so silly. *40:20* Exactly. *40:30* I *40:31* I w in the behind the scenes for all the stunts and stuff, the uh um F. *40:31* Gary Gray talked about how fans wanted more street races and being tied to the roots. *40:36* So it feels like they just made this cold open. *40:41* Yeah, it's really disjointed from the rest of the film except for the one character cameo later who you realize, oh, he helped in uh in New York City. *40:44* He was there. *40:53* So this guy came from *40:54* He earned his respect, so this man now crossed countries and parked a car at one single spot. *40:56* Exactly. *41:02* So besides that *41:03* The race means nothing. *41:05* There's no real callbacks. *41:07* It's just kind of a, I guess, a character thing for Dom. *41:08* Because right after that scene, there's. *41:12* One quick scene with him and Letty talking about becoming a dad or whatever, and then we run into Cypher and bam, we're off to the races. *41:17* Like it's just there's I wrote down we waste no time after the cold open to the villain and reason for Dom's turn. *41:24* And it's not until forty-eight minutes into the movie that you r learn that the r the blackmail or the leverage is his son. *41:30* So *41:40* It's if you cut the cold open, the mo uh like the movie is fine. *41:42* It doesn't need it at all and it *41:47* It's a great race. *41:50* It's fun. *41:51* There's even a good Brian reference in it, you know, the Buster's Poor Man Turbo. *41:51* Like his nickname for Brian, like calls it out. *41:57* It's nice. *42:00* But *42:01* Feels w out of place. *42:04* The f the series feels like it's like at odds with itself now. *42:06* They don't know *42:10* They don't know what to do. *42:12* They don't know if they want to keep it rooted to what it's always been or in some senses they're like, well, uh as soon as we started going to Crazy Town with Fast Five, that's when we started to make a lot of money, so we gotta quit *42:14* continue upping the ante and making things more and more crazy, but also we've had these fans from the first three or four films that have stuck with us. *42:26* Yeah, I I don't know. *42:35* It's just totally *42:36* It's totally going against itself. *42:38* Um We've already talked about Charleese a little bit and her character Cypher and why she doesn't work. *42:40* I don't know if there's a lot more we else we need to say about her right now. *42:45* I do want to point out that her dreads or whatever the freak she has in this movie are horrible. *42:49* Please don't wear your hair I please don't wear your hair like that again, Charlie's very terrible. *42:55* Um at first I thought she was just like wearing her hair like that because she was like trying to blend in when they were in Cuba or something like that. *43:00* I was like, what is she trying to look like a local *43:08* white lady who got her hair dreaded up or something and nope, she just wears it like that the whole movie. *43:11* I'm like, okay, sure. *43:16* You you let me know which hairstyle you prefer uh after F9, okay? *43:18* You let me know *43:24* Oh no. *43:25* I'm just here now. *43:25* Yeah, so we've we've talked about her a little bit. *43:26* I I think that one of the things that I would like to hone in on a little bit more. *43:28* Is the character we we typically with our discussions of these movies, I feel like we've gone character by character and talked about their own personal arcs that they have in these movies. *43:35* This movie might be the worst in the entire franchise when it comes to various character arcs. *43:44* I feel like there is no *43:52* good characterization in this movie whatsoever for any of the main cast members uh other than *43:54* Hobbs and Shaw. *44:02* Those are the only two. *44:04* They're the only two. *44:06* They are the only ones. *44:07* And I will say Mr. *44:08* Nobody. *44:09* So I was pretty flat on Mr. *44:10* No. *44:11* We can talk about this more a little bit later. *44:11* I was pretty flat on him after fast seven. *44:13* I do think he gets better in this. *44:15* Yes, I think I do I do like him more after fast eight. *44:17* Um But Hobbes and Shaw are really the only two *44:21* That I felt anything for this movie. *44:26* Like Taj and Roman really get nothing. *44:28* Their whole I mean Roman gets *44:30* A lot of comedy. *44:33* Well R Roman saves the final action scene in a lot of ways. *44:35* But up until up until that point I feel like he he's even pretty flat throughout most of the movie and he's just kind of there and cracking off w one-liners typically and *44:39* Him and Tez's whole thing, the entire movie, is trying to flirt with uh Ramsey. *44:47* Like they they really they've just kind of become very one note, and I feel like they don't do much else in this. *44:52* Ramsey's just kind of there. *44:57* She's like, I'll try to outhack the hacker. *45:00* And Cypher's always like, no, I'm the better hacker. *45:02* So she's really doing nothing. *45:05* Letty's whole role in this movie is just saying, I still believe in Dom. *45:06* She extremely one note. *45:10* Like just *45:13* Hobbs and Shaw are the only two. *45:14* Like it was after I watched this movie, I was like, oh, I know how they got a spin-off now. *45:16* It makes sense to me. *45:20* And that's because they take time to flesh out Hobbes way more, not only with his whole soccer mom opening sequence, which is great. *45:22* And uh the Taylor Swift references going to Tay-Tey concerts. *45:30* A lot of Tay-Te concerts. *45:34* Him, and then obviously all the banter between him and Shaw when he goes to *45:37* The prison is excellent. *45:41* The prison scene is maybe my favorite scene in the whole movie. *45:43* And it centers entirely around them. *45:47* Uh yeah, those they are the only two in the movie that I felt like got any *45:49* like worthwhile characterization or great character moments that I was like, wow, this will stand out within the larger C series compared to what I've seen of them in the past. *45:56* Everybody else is so flat and they don't do anything with them. *46:05* And that's *46:09* Like I don't even know what we would talk like I just outlined everybody else and like I don't even know what we would go one by one and talk about everybody else with in this movie. *46:09* I just feel like there's nothing to even break down or dissect *46:17* Yeah, it uh I wonder if this is some growing pains, which is weird to say for a billion-dollar franchise, but some growing pains after Furious 7 and losing a key member. *46:20* Reshuffling the dynamic a little bit, where are we putting the spotlight? *46:30* Where are we not? *46:33* How does this balance? *46:34* And then having your other main character be the villain. *46:35* Not his normal role also feels a little weird. *46:42* So it's all the relationship. *46:45* A villain that offed a primary character a couple movies before, or technically like *46:48* Yeah. *46:54* Three or four movies before, but he killed off uh Han, which I now understand the whole justice for Han thing, 'cause they really are just like *46:54* Oh, like by the end of the movie, Dom is just very accepting of of Shaw, like, oh thanks, bro, for saving my kid. *47:02* It's like he killed your best friend. *47:09* What are you what what? *47:11* We'll save that part of the discussion *47:14* I want to save that a little bit. *47:16* But the uh one of the things I wrote down, I mean, to really I guess get into it a little bit here in the flow, because after the phone call and the blackmail and stuff *47:18* They pull off a heist in Berlin or or wherever. *47:30* And it's kind of like the races in the past, like uh when Dom shows up in Tokyo. *47:33* or um the end of Fast Five where Brian and Dom are racing, but we don't actually see the full race or know how it plays out. *47:39* We kinda just know inside we know how the heist is gonna go at this point. *47:46* Like they get away with the thing. *47:49* Um really it's a setup for uh I wrote it down, Dominic Toretto just went rogue. *47:52* Having him take out Hobbs, pretty cool. *47:57* Um, and it sets up the prison thing. *48:00* But *48:03* I wrote down, really the prison. *48:04* Uh this is the birth of Hobbes and Shaw. *48:06* It's like a dry run for that movie, especially this beginning portion. *48:08* Their conflict here is so funny. *48:13* The rock has phenomenal lines in acting in this scene where he's *48:17* uh you know doing bicep curls with the bench. *48:21* Yeah they just cut to they just one of the scenes just literally starts with him just punching a cement wall *48:26* Yes. *48:32* And he just does that for a good twenty to thirty seconds and Shaw's like, oh, this is how you work out? *48:33* Hmm. *48:37* Like like he's like belittling him for punching a cement wall, like as if that's *48:38* That's nothing. *48:42* I'm like, what are you talking about? *48:42* What? *48:43* It is the banter between them is phenomenal and the prison break itself, all triggered by Mr. *48:44* Nobody. *48:51* Uh well *48:52* Yeah, it is triggered by Mr. *48:53* Nobody, because he's the one that opens the door, but then Hobb stays in the shell. *48:55* Anyway. *48:58* You know, the Rock just taking rubber bullets like they're nothing on his body. *49:00* Shaw doing all of the the parkour slipping around beating each other up. *49:06* The two of them just The Rock does some parkour too. *49:10* The coolest part is when he slides off of that banister into the steel cage and like bounces off of it down to the lower floor. *49:13* That's awesome. *49:19* He also has the best line in the entire movie, maybe one of the best lines in the entire series, where the guy says, I've been waiting a long time for this, and he says, Keep waiting, bitch. *49:20* Then he stabs him. *49:27* That's one of the it's a great *49:30* I love the Cherokee drum line. *49:33* Like there's just excellent delivery here. *49:35* If this was th if this was Hobbes' last Fast and Furious movie, numbered movie *49:38* What a great one to go out on. *49:45* He is fully realized in this film, and having Shaw to play off of that throughout the whole movie is *49:46* Yeah, I completely agree. *49:54* I I I guess my big question, and maybe you could answer this you you would know, but coming off of Fast Seven and seeing how much that movie made *49:55* Is that where it was then the brainchild of them creating spin-offs and then doing Hobbs and Shaw? *50:03* Was that *50:09* an idea they had before Fast Eight was made, I would imagine, because the way that this movie is set up is that everyone does take such a back seat. *50:10* to Hobbes and Shaw that it almost makes me wonder if it was an intentional choice to make viewers latch onto those characters more so that then when they inevitably created the spin-off Hobbes and Shaw movie *50:20* that would be something that people would naturally want to go see. *50:32* Like, I feel like every other character in this movie may have been so poorly written and just bland. *50:35* uh as as intent from the scriptwriter's perspective because they knew that this was going to become a larger franchise with other movies outside of the mainline series. *50:41* Um I don't know if you can have any insight on that or not, but uh don't you worry, I just pulled it up. *50:50* So back in November of 2015, two years before this came out, basically right after *50:57* Furious 7. *51:03* Vin Diesel announced to Variety that they uh had written out storylines for various characters and announced they were developing spin-offs and prequels and things like that. *51:04* You know, the Marvel or the Star Wars route. *51:14* So uh Dwayne Johnson has hinted in the past that he'd like his character Hobbes to branch out into his own independent adventures. *51:17* So *51:26* these were ideas they were toying around with and it it seems like Fate of the Furious was a a testing ground for Hobbes and Shaw to be put together um and it comes out clearly because they're the two that get the most *51:26* Shine, really. *51:40* Yeah, and I think this goes back to I want to say that I mentioned this specifically with the last movie, um, with Fast Seven, I believe. *51:42* Um where it felt too much like a Hollywood blockbuster. *51:52* All of the other films in the series have felt I mean, obviously this is a bajillion dollar franchise, and all these movies have been *51:56* made with the intent of making money, but seven was really the first one that I felt like was like being created as a mass market product um and was something that was being done solely to make money rather than *52:04* There are decisions basically in Fast Seven and even more so in Fast Eight that I felt like were being made because of Hollywood executives were taking a big picture view of what the movie was going to then do in the future. *52:18* rather than just saying, what's the best possible movie we could make? *52:31* Um and I I get those vibes a ton with Fast Eight, Fate of the Furious here. *52:34* Oh yeah. *52:41* Absolutely. *52:42* Outside of everything with Hobbes and Shaw though, the the big thing that we talked about a little bit earlier, but let's maybe dive a bit deeper is *52:43* Dom and his conflict with this movie and him having a child of his own now with his former lover, which what was her name again? *52:51* Elena? *53:00* Yeah, with Elena. *53:00* Um *53:02* I don't th I I think the idea of Dom being a daddy at this point is fine and is a a natural progression of the franchise and is something that makes sense and I think even the whole blackmail idea with him also makes sense. *53:03* But I don't I don't know. *53:17* I I I I don't know if I love it's just yeah, I don't know. *53:20* On paper I think it's fine how it's implemented in this movie in some senses, but it just feels *53:25* awkward at the same time with how it's all it j it just comes out of nowhere. *53:31* Yeah, I I guess. *53:35* There's nothing that's ever been hinted at it in the past, and it's clear that they just *53:36* Not necessarily retconned anything, but they just kind of pulled this out of nowhere because they're like, what should the next plot motivation be? *53:41* Sure, we'll just do this and *53:47* They so at the start of Furious 7, if you remember the fight between Shaw Hobbes and Elena, Elena is like three months pregnant or something at that point. *53:50* Clearly not the case when you look back at that movie. *54:02* Yeah, I was just saying then she gets blasted out of ten-story window or so they play very loose with the nine months of pregnancy. *54:05* It's *54:14* It makes sense-ish uh to have a kid. *54:16* It was like, how do we get a kid? *54:20* We can't really have Letty go through nine months of pregnancy. *54:22* Like, how do we get a kid now? *54:24* And what makes the most sense? *54:26* So we use Elena. *54:27* Cool, fine. *54:31* Everyone's obviously cool with each other in this dynamic, this relationship, everyone was is cool with each other. *54:32* It just makes sense to have this kid here. *54:38* Uh and I like it as the motivation, because what else would get Brian to turn on everyone? *54:41* The only thing would be *54:47* A a son. *54:49* The only thing I do like the idea that the only thing he would turn his back on family for is family. *54:51* Which is funny, because coming into this movie I knew he would be bad. *54:59* And I knew the whole, you're really gonna turn your back on family? *55:02* I remember that line from the trailers. *55:05* I'm like, how could Don betray family? *55:07* What is the thing that would cause him to betray family? *55:09* And it's *55:11* family. *55:12* Which is funny. *55:14* It just continues his character's through line, uh his morals and the things he d fights for to a T, which is very hilarious in some sense. *55:15* What do you think about the I'm gonna put quotes around it because who knows? *55:27* But the killing of Elena *55:33* You're gonna put quotes around it? *55:36* Dear Lord. *55:37* Um I mean I'll tell you this. *55:38* No one's not in F9. *55:41* But at this point anyone can come back. *55:43* So Yeah, I was gonna say Han got blowed up, and I know he's in the next one. *55:46* Uh s Letty supposedly got blowed up too. *55:50* Um *55:54* Yeah, I don't know. *55:55* It feels like they did her dirty. *55:56* They definitely did her dirty in because it feels like the moment that we have talked about *55:59* in a lot of these previous movies where it's like we have to establish that this villain is actually very evil. *56:06* And they're like, huh, what's a way we can make it known that Cypher is a very bad lady? *56:12* We'll just have her kill Elena and they just have her *56:17* Do that. *56:21* And that's I mean, it's a decent motivation, I guess, for Dom, and it does raise the stakes of the movies. *56:22* somewhat considerably. *56:31* But yeah, they do do Elena very dirty. *56:32* She just she has gone from being she Elena's a really good character in this series, and I think she's played a a great role. *56:35* And in this movie she largely just becomes. *56:41* m the mommy in distress and she can't do anything. *56:44* Obviously she's captured and in she's in a jail and a plane. *56:47* Uh so there's not a lot she can do. *56:51* But she really is never has to land or fuel. *56:54* Yes, that too. *56:57* I was gonna say that. *56:58* Uh but I'm glad you did. *56:59* She's she's just helpless this whole movie, and she's just kind of there *57:00* To die. *57:04* She plays no other there's no other purpose in this movie other than for her to explain how the child exists and then die. *57:05* That's about it. *57:14* They fridge her pretty hard. *57:16* It's bad. *57:17* It's sucks because she's so cool in five *57:18* She doesn't really have a part in six. *57:22* And then in seven, she has a little bit of a role at the beginning of the movie. *57:24* Like there's felt like there was so much potential for Elena to be expanded upon, especially with *57:27* Hobbs, not in a romantic relationship, but in a working relationship. *57:32* So it yeah, I'm I'm I was mad then and I'm I'm upset now still just how dirty they do are in this movie. *57:36* It's it sucks. *57:44* Other baby things we can talk about. *57:45* I know we're gonna talk about some more action scenes in a second, but we may as well talk about the action scene that the baby it himself is involved in. *57:47* Which is great. *57:54* Yes. *57:56* The kung fu baby scene with guns. *57:57* And Alvin and the Chipmunks. *58:01* And Alvin and the Chipmunks, yeah, the Hula Hoop song for some reason, which I don't *58:03* I don't know why they chose that song, but I'm also not complaining about it. *58:08* Yeah. *58:12* The slightest. *58:12* Uh but that scene is excellent and really established. *58:14* That's the best scene with Shaw in the whole movie for sure. *58:17* even outside of his whole banter with Hobbes. *58:21* I just hit in there with the prison it's up there with the prison scene, like again, but it just I was gonna say it is his sole moment in this in the uh movie to shine by himself. *58:24* and to have some personality and you get to see what type of person I mean uh it is it is very jarring though that he's gone from being this serious, hello Dominic Toretto, I'm gonna kill you now, oi to now being like *58:35* smiley killer baby name and turns this baby around. *58:50* Was that you or him? *58:54* Oh, it was him. *58:55* Ha ha ha ha. *58:56* Poop joke. *58:56* Like he's made quite the pivot in one movie, right? *58:57* Yes. *59:01* It is it is a very *59:01* It's quite the difference. *59:03* Um, but that scene is so fun. *59:05* Yeah. *59:07* It's a blast. *59:08* The baby the car seat just sliding around and the baby smiling the whole time and he's *59:09* And before he even goes out there, he's like, We're gonna have some fun. *59:14* And then he starts killing everybody. *59:17* It's it's great. *59:19* It's a lot of fun. *59:20* It's silly. *59:21* Like that's the kind of silly I'm fine with in these movies. *59:21* What about Owen reappearing? *59:26* He's I mean, I don't even feel like there's that much to talk about. *59:29* He just is kind of there. *59:32* Obviously he was a little *59:35* seen him because that was the thing I talked about in seven. *59:37* I was like, wow, Deckard Shaw is pretty ped off at the Dom and the family, even though his brother is very much alive and fine. *59:41* Like *59:49* So I figured Owen would come back in at some point. *59:50* Um when I saw him show up, I was like, okay. *59:53* I I didn't really know what was going on when they first appeared. *59:55* There's just they cut all of a sudden and there's two *59:58* jetpack dudes flying towards this plane. *01:00:00* I'm like, did I miss something? *01:00:02* And then when they got there and put the pieces together explained Dom's meeting with the woman. *01:00:03* Yeah, and explained who that was, it was like, okay. *01:00:09* But it it didn't even really do a good job. *01:00:11* They just kind of *01:00:14* show these things and left these things kind of hanging and you don't really know what's happening for a good like 30 minutes like because he meets up with Helen Miren's character and you don't know who she is or why he's meeting up with her or what the heck is going on. *01:00:15* Until a good thirty five to forty minutes later and it's like, okay. *01:00:28* But like if that makes that meaning it that part in the movie thirty minutes prior *01:00:32* A little bit odd because you don't really know what's going on in the moment. *01:00:36* It's like, why is who is this lady? *01:00:39* Why am I supposed to care about this interaction between these two characters? *01:00:41* They don't really *01:00:44* introduce anything to my knowledge. *01:00:45* You don't know that that's correct. *01:00:47* You just know Dom is doing something. *01:00:51* He's just doing something, but you don't know what *01:00:53* Um and the payoff I guess is good, but it's it's a weird introduction to her character that you don't understand who she actually is until so so much long later. *01:00:56* The one thing I do want to talk about, and this is the very obviously jumping to the very end of the movie, and it again involves the child. *01:01:06* I don't like this kid being named Brian. *01:01:17* Neither do I. *01:01:20* I do I don't like it. *01:01:21* I don't like it at all. *01:01:22* It's too *01:01:23* Meta. *01:01:25* It's a it's a wink and nod at the audience more than anything because in universe, Brian's not dead. *01:01:26* Yeah. *01:01:32* Yeah. *01:01:33* It should have been, if they wanted to do that, it should have been Paul. *01:01:34* I agree. *01:01:37* Paul is was the way to go if they wanted to make it a nod to Paul Walker. *01:01:38* Brian, far too on the nose, Brian is still alive, Mia is still alive, their kids are still alive, they exist within this world, they're just *01:01:42* out of the picture because they got their family and they know me isn't fast nine, right? *01:01:50* She does return. *01:01:54* She this is the one she didn't she wasn't a part of and *01:01:55* Um, I could probably look up an interview or something, but I think it was they didn't know what to do with them and having her be there without Brian. *01:01:59* I don't know. *01:02:06* So Brian's still alive. *01:02:07* So it's weird to just be like, oh hey, my best friend who you would assume Dom, you know, talks to and he's so close with. *01:02:10* You would have assumed would have been at the party, right, to reveal the reveal of his son. *01:02:17* It's just *01:02:22* It's it should have been Paul. *01:02:24* It's a it's a wink and nod at the audience and really nothing more. *01:02:27* And I don't love it. *01:02:33* I'm fine with him having a son. *01:02:34* Don't like the name choice bad. *01:02:37* Like when that happened, I was like like as that having that be the final moment of the movie was really like *01:02:39* Oh no, like I like legitimately said out loud, oh no, what are you doing? *01:02:45* Yeah, I was like, oh, that's not good. *01:02:51* This is bad. *01:02:52* This is very bad. *01:02:53* So *01:02:55* I don't know. *01:02:56* I I mean I do I I do I do like that they are trying I do like that they're trying to continue to acknowledge *01:02:57* Paul Walker's importance to this franchise in that sense and trying to continue to acknowledge that, you know, yes, he's Paul is not going to be in any of these movies anymore, but he is a pillar of *01:03:05* why this franchise is what it is. *01:03:17* Yeah. *01:03:19* But that's not the way to acknowledge that. *01:03:20* I like the scene in the movie where the team is down and out, they don't know how to deal with fighting Dom, and Roman's like Brian would know what to do. *01:03:23* And then and then Letty's like, no, no more. *01:03:30* Like I that felt appropriate enough. *01:03:34* It acknowledges him. *01:03:38* It acknowledges the depth of their of Dom and Brian's relationship. *01:03:39* But without having to draw him back into the life for obvious reasons. *01:03:43* And I think that was also, I mean, not to get too much in because this is gonna be a through line moving forward. *01:03:48* um is just the absence of Paul Walker, you know. *01:03:54* Like literally second note I wrote uh about this movie was no Paul Walker in opening credits, sad face. *01:03:57* I already miss him *01:04:04* Like, I think this plot of Dom turning against the family would have worked out drastically better if Paul was still in the picture. *01:04:06* I think that would have been great because him and *01:04:13* Him and Paul are the two that are have always been the sort of equals. *01:04:15* And Dom really didn't have anybody to directly I guess Hobb sort of was the direct person within the family that he was kind of *01:04:20* squaring off with in some regards because he's the one that he runs off the road and stuff like that. *01:04:28* But it it would have been there would have been a different feeling about it if it would have been him and Brian the or the ones that are kind of *01:04:32* at odds with each other in this movie. *01:04:40* And yeah, I mean I'm I don't want to keep bringing this up. *01:04:42* I mean I'm sure I naturally will in perpetuity moving forward. *01:04:45* Uh it's not something I want to linger. *01:04:48* I I'm sure it's not something I want to linger on, like, oh darn, it'd be better if Paul Walker was in this movie. *01:04:51* Because like that's just a given, but it does suck. *01:04:56* I mean it just continually *01:04:58* It's a fact. *01:05:00* We'll suck until all these movies are gone or over or whatever the heck that happens at the end of the what eleventh movie, I guess. *01:05:01* We'll see how it shakes out. *01:05:11* Let's talk about some of the other action scenes though. *01:05:13* So we've talked uh broadly about I mean we've talked about m more of the *01:05:15* Like hand-to-hand combat scenes with like with the prison and the the baby scene on the plane with the baby carrier. *01:05:19* We haven't really talked about the car scenes though, specifically the one in New York. *01:05:25* This is the one *01:05:29* I did not like it all personally. *01:05:31* Zombie time. *01:05:34* Yeah, this is the one that to me where I was like, this is one of our big set pieces in this movie. *01:05:35* Um *01:05:40* It's fine, I guess, but it's not I think my big problem with this, and you can tell me if you're wrong if I'm wrong, because you usually know these things. *01:05:41* Well, I guess this is my problem both with this and the ending icing is that the practical effects look much more limited in this. *01:05:50* And uh *01:05:57* I'm gonna guess they did not have five hundred cars all driving down the street at the same time. *01:05:59* Maybe I'm wrong, but they *01:06:04* So you're not entirely wrong. *01:06:07* They do have cars. *01:06:10* There's actually more practical effects than I thought. *01:06:11* Um, so the parts that were filmed in New York City *01:06:14* They were maxed out at 35 miles an hour, which is already limiting them. *01:06:18* You know, they shut down major traffic and all that stuff. *01:06:23* So it's that was interesting to deal with. *01:06:26* The actual like explosion stuff the pile up at the parking garage, that was in Cleveland. *01:06:28* Uh and that's a real parking garage, and they r really launched cars out of a parking garage and piled them up below. *01:06:34* They did not have hundreds of cars driving and crash. *01:06:43* There were some car scenes where it was just one car or two that had no driver. *01:06:46* I found this kind of funny. *01:06:51* There were stunt men dressed up as car seats driving those cars, like in car seat suits. *01:06:53* And then obviously edited to, you know, look way better. *01:06:59* So *01:07:03* But that's really it as far as practicality goes. *01:07:05* And at least from the behind the scenes, like the the stretching Dom's car out, which I think is the better part of the New York chase. *01:07:08* Like that doesn't seem to have any practicality to it of stretching and reversing those cars. *01:07:16* Maybe it is and it's just not in the behind the scenes. *01:07:21* But the chase *01:07:25* feels weird and why do we have zombie cars? *01:07:27* Why does she you know it well I it's a lot of just mmm I do like *01:07:31* Dom taking on an armored limousine and just standing there with a shield and taking bullets. *01:07:38* That's kind of silly. *01:07:43* Yeah, he goes full like army of two in that moment. *01:07:44* Cutting open the gas tank and getting ready to blow it up. *01:07:49* Um those guys are terrible nuclear football transporters. *01:07:52* They're supposed to die for the football. *01:07:57* Um, they just kinda hand it out. *01:07:59* The better part of this scene is the team against Dom, the stretch, him tak the lines *01:08:02* He's got like 3,000 horsepower under that thing. *01:08:11* Try five. *01:08:14* Try nine. *01:08:15* Like that's just that's super dumb. *01:08:16* And the way he takes out all the cars is fun. *01:08:19* That's Dragon Ball Z levels of goofiness, for sure. *01:08:21* What's his power level? *01:08:26* It's so good. *01:08:27* Um, and you know, the chase and the split up and all that stuff. *01:08:29* Him taking Roman out. *01:08:32* Nah, my Bugatti. *01:08:33* Or Bentley. *01:08:35* This is Bentley. *01:08:35* So absolutely taking out uh Shaw as well was very stone cold *01:08:37* Yeah. *01:08:45* As soon as you saw Shaw die I I I guess that would be the one problem is you see Shaw die like that, and it's like, okay, well, we saw him get shot. *01:08:46* off-screen kind because by the time it cuts and you see the shot, he's already like falling on the ground. *01:08:56* It's like it's like, okay, well, he's clearly not dead and obviously *01:09:01* Hobbes and Shaw's a thing that happened. *01:09:05* Yeah, Hobbes and Shaw is a thing. *01:09:06* So that the stakes were really taken out of it. *01:09:08* But even the way they showcase it in the movie, it's like, okay, well clearly he's not dead, so how is he coming back here? *01:09:10* And yeah. *01:09:16* Um I'm curious to see *01:09:17* I mean we've talked about this the whole season here on chapters. *01:09:20* Like obviously have context for things that happen in the future. *01:09:23* We talked a lot in like *01:09:25* Yeah, we talked a lot in Fast Four about how like I know Letty comes back, so her death in that movie doesn't work for me. *01:09:28* We're run yeah, we're running out here. *01:09:33* Like we got *01:09:36* The Hobbs and Shaw, which is just its own self-contained thing, I I guess, and then Fast Nine, and they I have no context for future things after that, obviously. *01:09:36* So *01:09:46* This is the last one where it's really like, oh, they killed Deckard Shaw, and I I I clearly know that's not a thing that will happen. *01:09:46* So will the stakes be *01:09:53* higher when I watch the future films? *01:09:55* I don't know, probably not. *01:09:57* They're pretty choreographed with their plots and how they work and things of that nature, but I don't know. *01:09:58* I guess we'll see. *01:10:05* Um *01:10:06* Yeah, New York Chase scene it's not great. *01:10:07* It falls flat. *01:10:10* It's very flat compared to all of the compared to everything we have seen *01:10:11* From fast four onward. *01:10:16* It is definitely lower down the tier list of action sequences. *01:10:19* The submarine sequence, on the other hand, is fun. *01:10:24* It has its moments. *01:10:28* There are different parts coming together. *01:10:31* Part of the team's off looking for a chip. *01:10:33* Another part's hacking a submarine. *01:10:35* But that stuff's not even that *01:10:37* I don't know. *01:10:39* It's not great, but there's some separation. *01:10:40* It just ends up devolving into them all running away on the ice and trying to get away and *01:10:42* You as the viewer knowing that oh well Dom's gonna become the good guy here again, but how? *01:10:48* Because the movie is almost over, so what is going to happen? *01:10:53* And then that leads into the whole baby sequence, which we've talked about before. *01:10:55* Um as for the actual chase itself *01:10:59* I wrote down um Roman saving it the saving the movie per usual because everything that happened in the chase scene up until Roman uh *01:11:02* falling in the water and then Tez pulling him out and then him getting up and smacking somebody with a door and then shooting the other. *01:11:14* Like that whole part is great. *01:11:19* And I was like, okay, Roman is still the one in this movie that is *01:11:21* Hilarious and then he gets in the car with Hobbes and then he's got a ton of great one-liners with that where Hobbs is like, Oh, just everybody get in front of me and we'll block it. *01:11:25* And he's like, What? *01:11:34* Like that's all great. *01:11:35* When the rock takes a missile and he takes a torpedo and just pushes it. *01:11:38* Uh that's hilarious. *01:11:45* There are moments in this scene *01:11:46* which are good. *01:11:49* Um I also wrote down Dom punches a man's neck in half 'cause he throws the Game of Thrones man, the redheaded Game of Thrones man, down on the hood of the car, just punches his head straight down and it snaps backwards. *01:11:51* That's pretty vicious. *01:12:03* But yeah, I otherwise I think again the stakes of this scene feel *01:12:05* lowered because of a lot of what we talked about before. *01:12:11* It's just cipher up in the skies being like, I'm gonna remote hack a submarine. *01:12:14* Woo-hoo! *01:12:18* And it then the submarine is chasing them. *01:12:18* It's like, okay, I guess this is kind of a *01:12:20* Big crazy set piece here, but I don't feel like there's I know no one here's going to die and the villain's up in the sky and she's just kind of disconnected from everything and *01:12:22* Okay, how are they gonna get out of this? *01:12:34* I I uh even the action scenes themselves, outside of Romans one-liners, I don't think there's anything *01:12:36* like visually that interesting that happens in these scenes either like I guess the sub blasting out of the ice and then them just *01:12:42* Getting away from it and or I guess uh when she shoots the missile and then Dom the missile. *01:12:51* I mean that would be the only part of the scene that is really *01:12:56* Come on, he uses a car to take out a submarine. *01:12:59* Yeah, that's fun. *01:13:04* And then they form a car shield to defend him from fire. *01:13:06* Yeah, that part is is funny, and I enjoyed that part there at the end, but other than that, it's really just continue kind of in the same way that *01:13:11* fast uh six was them on an endless runway. *01:13:21* It feels like they're on an endless ice lake in this and it's just them driving. *01:13:23* That's more believable. *01:13:27* Like a run *01:13:28* A twenty-seven mile runway is just not feasible, but a frozen lake is however big. *01:13:29* Well they said she said, Oh, our place we need to get to is only ten miles away, and then they're on that ice for like *01:13:34* Thirty minutes it feels like and it's like, hey, you're sitting ten miles. *01:13:40* You're all driving very fast here. *01:13:43* I feel like you'd be there by now. *01:13:45* Um *01:13:47* So they really did film on a frozen lake. *01:13:48* They spent six weeks in Iceland, and they really filmed a Lambo on a lake. *01:13:51* They really crashed the Lambo into the ice, like they dug an ice trench. *01:13:57* So that was all real. *01:14:01* Roman was not in the car there. *01:14:03* So they did that in a pool, having it flood in and stuff and watching him and all that jazz. *01:14:04* So I was surprised at how much of it was really done on a real frozen lake. *01:14:09* They had so many safety teams and like ice testers to know how thick the ice was and uh, you know, all the safety precautions you would expect for a multimillion dollar film. *01:14:14* They really blew up trucks. *01:14:24* Uh the when the sub crashes through and those trucks fly up, the trucks are really exploding and flying up. *01:14:26* The submarine is not there. *01:14:32* Um, but they they blew those up on a an ice *01:14:34* Area with chunks of ice flying and all that stuff. *01:14:37* So that was all real. *01:14:40* I appreciate the dedication to practicality for the finale. *01:14:41* I wish New York got a bit more of that as well. *01:14:45* Um *01:14:49* That was limited because they were in New York. *01:14:49* I think if they could have done films somewhere else. *01:14:52* They traded the *01:14:55* the glory of recording in New York City for the practicality that they've been known for for the past seven films. *01:14:57* But I appreciate that at least the end here we get most of that. *01:15:05* And again, because some of the trailers for these other movies are fresh in my head, I know that practicality is something that is only going to continue to fall by the wayside because in the other movie we've got a *01:15:09* double or trick triple decker, uh triple uh uh what are the things called the eighteen wheeler? *01:15:21* Yeah, whatever. *01:15:28* I see that thing flipping up on its *01:15:29* uh on its face, I know Dom then rolls a car into a jet or something, like it's just gonna fly out the window even more than normal. *01:15:32* Practicality all but leaves the the station here in F9 um and Hobbes and Shaw, so we had a good run, everybody. *01:15:41* Thank you for it. *01:15:50* Remember when they dragged a real vault through the streets? *01:15:51* Remember when it was cool. *01:15:54* Uh I am curious to watch Fast Nine, obviously, but I'm not *01:15:57* tremendously enthused after watching Fate of the Furious here. *01:16:02* Is there anything else you wanted to talk about here when it comes to we've I think we've talked about a lot of the stunts. *01:16:06* and you know, editing and I don't know if there's anything music-wise. *01:16:10* I do feel like music took a huge backseat this time around, especially coming off of Fast Seven, which had, I mean, obviously the *01:16:13* um song at the end of the film with uh was uh the long day I can't uh see you again. *01:16:20* I was like I don't know why I can't remember the song. *01:16:26* Obviously that was a huge hit. *01:16:28* The Fast Seven soundtrack was obvious a huge hit on its own, but c this movie I do not feel like had *01:16:29* any notable music outside of the score of the movie itself. *01:16:35* Like licensed music felt like it was pretty non-existent, which I which was a little bizarre. *01:16:38* Um is a big bummer. *01:16:44* So You're wrong. *01:16:46* The soundtrack is I couldn't tell you anything on it. *01:16:48* Which is a bummer, because most of the other movies I can, so Yeah, most of the other movies there's at least one or two licensed tracks or songs that were made for the movie that you can *01:16:51* Point two. *01:17:01* Uh I cannot think of any instances of that here with uh with this. *01:17:02* Before we do go to Best Card, was there anything else you wanted to talk about in regard to the one *01:17:07* Lingering thing I I'm thinking of. *01:17:14* It would just be with Mr. *01:17:15* Nobody and his whole crew and then Little Nobody, is that his name? *01:17:16* That's what they call him. *01:17:20* Is there anything you want to say about either of *01:17:23* Them, I again I like Kurt Russell more in this movie. *01:17:26* I think his I think I've just grown accustomed to what he is within this universe. *01:17:29* He's *01:17:34* He I I like Kurt Russell a lot in general, so I I I think I was just going to naturally soften on him over time. *01:17:35* I don't know if I love *01:17:41* Little nobody. *01:17:43* I feel uh here's my problem with little nobody. *01:17:44* It feels like they're like Paul Walker's out of scene. *01:17:46* Uh we need somebody else young and *01:17:49* the the i that can drive a car around with them now that we can put in his role. *01:17:52* And I don't feel like he's trying to replace Paul Walker necessarily, but *01:17:57* That's kind of how it comes off to some degree. *01:18:01* His naivete I think helps a lot. *01:18:04* He adds comedic value because he just doesn't know how to do anything. *01:18:08* He's learning the rules. *01:18:11* The conversations between *01:18:12* Mr. *01:18:14* Nobody and Hobbs about Little Nobody. *01:18:14* Pretty funny. *01:18:18* I like that. *01:18:19* It's interesting to just see this kind of character come up and and try to be a part of the group, but he's doesn't quite fit in because he's too much of a stickler. *01:18:21* We'll see how he grows over time, but Mr. *01:18:29* Nobody's still great. *01:18:34* He's just funny. *01:18:35* Like even at the end of the prison scene, he's like, well, that took longer than I thought. *01:18:35* He *01:18:39* He's the only puppet master I'm cool with in the Fast and Furious universe. *01:18:40* Cypher, no. *01:18:45* Nobody, yes. *01:18:46* I think part of why he worked more for me this time is because he did have more scenes, quite a few more scenes with Hobbes this time, and I think him and *01:18:47* I think Kurt Russell and The Rock play off each other quite well and they had really fun interactions in this movie. *01:18:54* Um so maybe that's why I like it more. *01:19:01* I feel like him playing off of Vin Diesel, it's just kind of *01:19:03* Uh I don't I don't know, like like uh Hobbs is more witty, he's got comebacks, he's snarky, Dom not so much, so uh *01:19:07* them kind of playing off Mr. *01:19:16* Nobody and Dom playing off each other is kind of bland and boring in my opinion. *01:19:18* Um but him and Hobbes are good to work off one another, same way it is with uh both Hobbes and Shaw. *01:19:22* All right. *01:19:28* Best car. *01:19:30* This was a hard one, because I didn't feel like there was any single I feel like there's naturally in each of these movies ones one that you would maybe gravitate towards. *01:19:32* If there was any single one like this in that movie, I feel like it might be Roman's Lamborghini at the very end just because they call so much attention to that. *01:19:42* It's one of my choices. *01:19:51* I like the orange. *01:19:52* I like the orange on the Lamborghini too, but it is not my favorite. *01:19:53* Um, I can give mine this time. *01:19:57* My favorite, and again, this is not a um *01:19:59* This is not a unique car necessarily because we've seen plenty of these in the series so far, and it's a car that one of the main characters drives quite frequently. *01:20:03* But *01:20:13* I love the look of Letty's 1966 Chevy Corvette stingray that she has in this movie. *01:20:15* The bright red *01:20:21* In New York, it's awesome. *01:20:22* That is again, maybe I'm just a sucker for red cars, because I've br I bring this up a lot of times. *01:20:25* Like, oh, if cars *01:20:31* red that I'm gonna be predisposed to. *01:20:33* But that's my favorite in the movie. *01:20:35* I think that car looks awesome. *01:20:36* I think that's by far the best car that Letty's ever had in any of these movies. *01:20:37* Weird. *01:20:42* It's like we picked the same car. *01:20:42* I'm I'm super partial to Stingrays. *01:20:48* I love 'em. *01:20:51* When you put 'em in red, it's just it's great. *01:20:52* It looks good. *01:20:54* There are a lot of Dodge chargers in this movie, including the one at the very end with the EMP and the turbo jet thruster thing that lights on fire. *01:20:55* I the Bentley, not my taste, but it sounds like it's a Bentley, so it it I guess it gets in mention. *01:21:05* But the Stingray is definitely my preferred car. *01:21:12* It's a lower, it's a cooler *01:21:14* cast of cars. *01:21:18* The Impala, like Dom's Impala down in Puerto Rico, is pretty cool, but that doesn't get a lot of screen time. *01:21:19* Well shout out to the crappy uh like *01:21:27* the sh the bug looking thing that he rides. *01:21:30* I'd I think it's a fleet line? *01:21:32* Yes. *01:21:35* That is not what I would call the best car, but just everything with that car is so *01:21:35* Fun in that sequence and then him driving it over the fish line and blasting it off the the edge into the sea *01:21:40* Is all great. *01:21:47* I I I think more than anything, that's probably like there is no central focus on any single cars in this movie that I can recall too much. *01:21:48* The one that gets the most focus and attention on it is probably that opening car he uses in the drag race. *01:21:57* Either that or his *01:22:04* snowmobile outfitted charger that Dom drives there at the end. *01:22:06* It's that and the Lambert Mutter. *01:22:09* Those are the ones that get the screen time. *01:22:11* Yeah. *01:22:13* So everything else is pretty passive and *01:22:13* Um of everything that that people were driving, yeah, Letty's stingray really stood out to me quite a bit. *01:22:16* So Yeah. *01:22:22* Real time follow-up, it wasn't Puerto Rico, it was Cuba. *01:22:23* My bad. *01:22:26* Got it mixed up. *01:22:26* Um, so yeah, Stingrays best car for Fate of the Furious. *01:22:28* Max, this is a weird one. *01:22:33* Um, and I don't know if we will even have much to say. *01:22:35* I don't know if we'll have much to say in this regard on our next couple episodes, to be completely honest, because they're so fresh. *01:22:38* Um *01:22:45* And that's the legacy. *01:22:46* What is the legacy of Fate of the Furious? *01:22:48* And I personally don't have a great answer. *01:22:50* I mean it's the first movie without Paul Walker. *01:22:54* I don't know if people really think about it in that way. *01:22:56* That's one of the things I had written down. *01:22:59* It's definitely a key component, but of the movie itself, I don't know. *01:23:01* I I I think within the larger series, obviously this is the the one where *01:23:06* Cypher, Charlize enters the picture, which I know ends up being a huge thing moving forward. *01:23:12* Um Honestly, this movie's legacy is probably just that it's set up Hobbs and Shaw to be a thing in a lot of ways. *01:23:17* Um because that's the next movie chronologically that we're going to watch here uh for chapter select. *01:23:25* It's the next one that came out in the series as well. *01:23:30* Um *01:23:33* I don't know. *01:23:35* There's real no real lasting legacy or singular thing that people glean onto with this movie, I would say. *01:23:35* In in universe, some big ones would be *01:23:43* Brian as in the son. *01:23:48* Um, so he's introduced that, you know, adding to the family in that way. *01:23:50* outside of the universe. *01:23:56* First one without Paul. *01:23:59* It's the last um Dwayne Johnson mainline Fast and Furious movie. *01:24:00* Um and likely will be. *01:24:05* He's not in Fast X and *01:24:07* the odds of him returning for the 11th film are super super small. *01:24:10* That that was one thing I did want to mention real quick. *01:24:13* Sorry to butt in, but it is very funny that the last mainline movie featuring both *01:24:15* Dwayne Johnson and Vin Diesel is one where their characters are at odds with each other for the entirety of the movie. *01:24:21* It's like uh art reflects life there. *01:24:27* Uh because we obviously know that they do not like one another in *01:24:30* I w I I wonder if that was somewhat of a key an idea from the script writer's perspective, like, oh, we know that Venin *01:24:35* Dwayne don't like one another. *01:24:43* What if we just made the movie one where they're at odds with each other once again and they have to they don't really fight at any single point in this movie or have any they're actually not in a lot of the same scenes in this movie, the more I think about it. *01:24:44* So I wonder if that I don't know. *01:24:57* Curious I I'm very fascinated by that whole beef between the two of them. *01:25:00* But it is funny that they're on opposite sides of the spectrum throughout most of this movie, even when they don't like one another in real life. *01:25:04* Yeah. *01:25:11* The uh the other legacy is what you said, uh birth of Hobbes and Shaw, and it's like what we said at the top. *01:25:12* Uh the other legacy is they screwed up the name of the movie. *01:25:19* They didn't put an eight in the title. *01:25:22* Beyond that, it's *01:25:24* But it also made one point two billion dollars. *01:25:29* So it's it's coming off of that, and you'll notice with the grossing amounts of our next two movies *01:25:31* How this all plays out. *01:25:37* Well, how much did uh I mean we'll get there obviously, but I assume Fast 9 made less money because of pandemic things, but maybe I'm wrong. *01:25:39* Um, 'cause that movie came out in two thousand and twenty-one, if I am correct, right? *01:25:48* 'Cause they had to hold on to it for after pandemic things. *01:25:53* Yes. *01:25:57* F uh F9 came out um June twenty fifth of two thousand twenty-one. *01:25:57* So they postponed it from twenty twenty to twenty-one. *01:26:02* Um and it was still kind of in that early time where movie theaters were open, but not everyone was going back to the theater necessarily. *01:26:05* So we'll discuss that um here at the end of season four. *01:26:12* I do uh just to go back really quickly to the title and to hone in on this very uh goofy thing with the title not being F8 of the Furious for Fate of the Furious. *01:26:16* I'm wondering why they decided against that, because you have to guess. *01:26:27* that somebody cre like working on the title of this movie suggested that be a thing. *01:26:31* And I'm going to assume that an executive was like, no, we can't do that. *01:26:36* because fans won't understand it, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. *01:26:39* And if that was the reasoning, what's funny is that the next movie in the series is literally called F9. *01:26:42* So they clearly have no problem just making the title structure be F whatever. *01:26:48* Like fans will get it. *01:26:54* So why not F eight of the Furious? *01:26:55* Like it would have been. *01:26:57* Would have been so much better. *01:26:58* They did it immediately with the next one. *01:26:59* They just shortened it F9, the Fast Saga, which is maybe the worst title of the whole bunch, if we're being honest. *01:27:01* Uh *01:27:08* So it's painful that they wouldn't do F8 of the Furious when they just totally in the next movie ended up going for it. *01:27:09* So bad on you, Universal. *01:27:18* Bad on whoever made that call. *01:27:20* All right, I think that does it for Fate of the Furious. *01:27:23* Thank you so much for listening. *01:27:26* If you'd like to follow the show on Twitter, you can at Chapter Select. *01:27:27* You can follow Logan on Twitter at Moreman12 and his writing over at comic book. *01:27:31* You can follow myself on Twitter at maxroberts143 and my writing over at 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