# Chapter Select, [[S4E9 - Hobbs & Shaw]] Transcript This transcription was completed on March 4, 2026 with the application MacWhisper on macOS. This was done automatically, without human input during the transcription process. The transcription used the Parakeet v3 model. My hope is that by offering this transcription – however accurate it may be done by a machine learning/AI – will help you, the listener. I’d love to offer full, proper transcription some day, but that is not feasible at this time. Thank you for listening and reading. I hope you enjoy the show and that this document was helpful. Enjoy. --- Are you getting excited to play this video game? *00:00* I am. *00:03* I'm I saw today that it's ten days away and I went, oh gosh, we're in the single day. *00:04* Uh you need to be careful. *00:09* I need to be very things I have to mute? *00:11* I haven't I have not seen a single thing. *00:14* That's good. *00:17* Then you're probably fine. *00:17* Um but uh major leaks have hit the internet. *00:19* within the past day because the movie or the not the movie the uh retailer started selling it like mom and pop places *00:23* I looked at my local mom and pop and they didn't have it yet. *00:34* So Corey's pretty pissed about it. *00:37* He was complaining yesterday. *00:39* I saw a VGC article headlines in that. *00:41* He was like, this makes me so mad and a couple other God Award people have been *00:44* complain about it too. *00:48* They're like we've tried so hard you guys to limit spoilers and now they're out there like uh yesterday in my recommended feed *00:49* One of the games big boss fights showed up in full and I was like, oh wow, there it is. *01:01* So there are things out there. *01:08* I will say this after having played the game to completion in your f in uh *01:11* To give you peace of mind. *01:20* If I was to spoil it for you, I don't know if there's any one single thing I could say, like, right away, that would spoil it. *01:22* So it's the opposite of uh *01:29* What's that one? *01:33* Oh, what's that movie? *01:36* It's not like The Last of Us, where I could be like, Jewel's dead! *01:39* What's the Brad Pitt *01:43* A movie where he has the incredible abs. *01:45* Fight club. *01:49* Oh, fight club. *01:50* Where it's like, oh, Tyler Durden is *01:51* It's Edward Norton or something. *01:53* He's not real. *01:56* There's no like single I mean there's a lot of things that happen. *01:58* But there are spoilers and there are things I could obviously blatantly tell you that would spoil things very quickly, but there is no like *02:02* one or two things that I can like there is no singular thing that would encapsulate the entire experience that I think would spoil all of it at once. *02:11* That's good. *02:22* So but even with I mean I feel like that's how it is with most things. *02:24* Like even if you had done that with Last of Us, like Joel's dead, it's like, okay, well. *02:28* But that but then what happens because it's just like part of the game. *02:34* So how are you feeling about like it's Ragnarok's done? *02:38* You're you just gotta write the review now. *02:44* Um yeah. *02:47* I mean I assume you're gonna keep doing the postgame and pursue the platinum. *02:48* Mm-hmm. *02:52* Like the last I think it's like the last game, but some *02:54* There is postgame stuff to do. *02:57* Did you ever ping a trophy on your PS4? *03:01* No. *03:04* You should. *03:05* You could have an article ready at embargo be like here are the trophies. *03:06* Maybe. *03:09* I don't know. *03:10* I do have some other articles in the pipeline. *03:14* Again, I'm not wanting to say too much, but I will have probably an article going out. *03:17* Not this week, but next the following week with the launch, yeah, and talk about how *03:23* future games could be set up based on what happens in this one. *03:32* Sure. *03:36* Um, 'cause I mean, of course *03:37* I mean this is a bajillion dollar franchise. *03:41* It's getting a TV show. *03:43* Yeah, so there there clearly is gonna want to be new ones, but what does that look like? *03:45* I will I will say this though, after having finished the game, I don't *03:50* I don't want to say too much, obviously, because I don't I don't want to hint at anything or I just don't know. *03:59* I don't know what the series looks like moving forward. *04:06* In the sense that like No one knew what it looked like going forward at the end of God of War Three, and then Ascension came out and we're like, please put it back. *04:09* But yeah, but I think what *04:17* I think what I'm saying, again, without saying too much, is that after three, and then when four was announced, and it was like, oh, there's gonna be North Norse Pantheon now, it's like *04:19* Okay, well Kratos is gonna go to the Norse pantheon and he's gonna kill all the Norse gods. *04:31* Okay. *04:35* And then the idea was that just that he'd run around the whole world and kill all the pantheons and stuff like that. *04:36* And I don't know if that I don't know. *04:43* Again, I don't want to say I'm trying I don't wanna say too much or say anything. *04:50* But I just don't I just don't know what *04:55* things look like moving forward for a number of reasons. *04:58* There are many questions and many things that happen that will obviously influence *05:02* future games if there are future games which there probably will be but yeah I don't know *05:10* Uh I will say I will say the one thing I will encourage you to do is to just enjoy it. *05:18* Take it slow. *05:22* Don't mainline it. *05:23* I do think it's a better game if it you have some time to breathe. *05:25* I don't think you're gonna get spoiled. *05:29* I will say that uh once you get past the opening Once you get past about the opening five hours *05:32* There is that is where you would get past the lot of Yeah, once you get past that, that's a like where a lot of big things happen that I think you could be spoiled on. *05:42* But even then, like *05:54* Tell tell me this if you want. *05:57* You you you can decide to answer this or not. *06:00* Do you find out who blew the horn? *06:03* Um no. *06:08* If you can interview it. *06:14* That was actually one of my big questions after the I finished the game. *06:16* I was like, wait a minute. *06:20* Who blew the horn? *06:22* You should ask Corey if you get to interview him. *06:24* That should be one of the things that we're doing. *06:26* We we mentioned that we wanted to do it and they said like yeah we'd be interested. *06:33* and trying to set something like that up. *06:37* Let's reconvene a little closer to launch or something. *06:39* So I really want to talk to Corey or Eric or both. *06:42* Like that too. *06:47* Oh, if you could get both, that'd be fantastic. *06:48* Because I wanna the thing I really want to pick their brain about is *06:50* And in and one or the other could speak to this. *06:57* I wouldn't necessarily need both of them. *06:59* But the thing that really stood out to me last year when they announced that Eric was going to be directing the game is that Corey was like. *07:00* Eric and I talked about the story, about the things that should do that we should do. *07:06* There were a couple things locked in place that we felt like we couldn't move away from and other than that all the decisions were Eric's and the story teams for the next game and that was it. *07:12* And it's like, okay, well what things coming off the last game did you lock in? *07:20* What things did you want to do, Corey, that maybe Eric may he have shifted around and changed? *07:25* Like what plans *07:30* What things did Corey set up in the last game that he felt like they could take and run with that maybe then they didn't at all? *07:33* Yeah. *07:39* Good questions. *07:41* That's good stuff and you're primed to know that. *07:42* Have you seen Eric lately? *07:45* He's got his director beard going too. *07:48* I think it happens to everyone. *07:51* I haven't seen though. *07:56* I think he's muted. *07:58* I think they're all muted. *08:00* I won't tell you this either, but um because I feel like you naturally *08:02* Would what do you think I'm gonna give the game? *08:08* A five out of five, probably? *08:12* Uh no, I could see you going four, four and a half. *08:14* I some of the things you've said, like it takes a while, it's a bit slow, it feels packed. *08:18* Like I could see those being things that bring it down, but if the overall experience *08:23* Which I don't have a ton of context for. *08:29* But if that trumps those shortcomings that you had in the moment, I could see it being five out of five, but I wouldn't be surprised at a four out of five or four and a half out of five either. *08:31* That's *08:41* I gave Ratch Game a four and a half. *08:42* Which was weird. *08:45* Oh for some reason I thought you said Ratchet. *08:47* I was like, I I don't remember. *08:49* No Ratchet I gave a five out of five. *08:50* Yeah. *08:52* Ratchet. *08:53* So I really liked it. *08:53* I think, yeah, I'm really uh *08:54* Really debating with myself what to give this game score wise. *08:57* What about the other folks on your staff that are playing it? *09:01* Have you backed it? *09:03* Um I've I've painted I've talked to them and I'm like, what would you give it? *09:04* And they're like, I don't know. *09:07* Um this is our scores are dumb. *09:09* There are pacing problems, I do think, around the mid-game. *09:12* Like that would be my want. *09:16* complaint I guess with it. *09:19* Yeah, but do does that overcome the whole thing? *09:21* So oh here we go. *09:26* Other thing we forgot to do. *09:28* So yeah, I still have a lot to figure out. *09:34* This will definitely be a situation where I write the review and then ponder how I feel. *09:35* Well I'm excited to read it after I beat the game. *09:41* They really did. *09:54* Yes. *09:55* But there are a lot of good things. *09:55* Amp, man, it's ten days away. *09:58* Here are here's the one thing I will also say without again. *10:00* Because I think you and I have overanalyzed this game so much and we've been, you know, reading North's myth myths and all that sort of stuff, like *10:05* We know things that have to happen and are going to happen to satisfy Ragnarok, yeah. *10:15* Yeah. *10:22* So *10:23* There are just certain things that and it's cool to see certain things happen, but it's like, okay, well, if Ragnarok's gonna happen, we need *10:25* I d I don't know what are key elements of Ragnarok. *10:35* We're gonna need a big fireman. *10:39* We're gonna need big snake. *10:40* We're gonna need a big snake. *10:43* We're gonna need a fin rearda wolfie. *10:44* We're gonna need like so there's just like these things that they set up that *10:46* Like you know, it's like, well, I know what's gonna happen here. *10:51* Like there were straight up like hour or two hour chunks of the game where I'm like, oh, I know what's gonna happen over the next two hours of this game. *10:54* And so nothing is really a surprise in that case. *11:02* But it's just kind of like I'm watching it play out, and it's cool to watch it play out, but it's also like not shocking. *11:06* at the same time. *11:14* But also not everyone is like us, like the everyday person or just the big God of War fan. *11:15* probably is gonna lose their mind at some of this stuff. *11:24* Like it's just gonna be very epic at certain times. *11:27* Mm-hmm. *11:30* In a surprising way, I'm sure. *11:31* Mm-hmm. *11:33* You're telling me the snake is Atreus' son that he has with a giant lady? *11:34* Yeah man, I'm jazzed. *11:41* I'm so *11:42* So popular. *11:44* I'll say I'll I will say this to the l this this I keep thinking of new things to say. *11:45* This is the last thing I'll say and then we will actually get going. *11:49* If you had, and I think this will still hit you, obviously, regardless, but this game is gonna hit you in the fields hard. *11:52* Dad vibes? *12:01* Yes. *12:03* A lot. *12:04* I'm very nervous because this will be the first new game. *12:04* If you had a son, this game would r really *12:08* Yeah, I'm curious to see how that'll feel with the whole I have a daughter instead of a son thing. *12:12* But like I said it in chat I said it in our chat the other day like I played future days like I just had a playlist I just played this *12:17* Playlist I have and Future Days is on it and it came on and I was holding the kid and I was singing to the I was singing to Eloise and was like Future Days I was like, ah crap. *12:25* Neil, I get it now. *12:32* Like I get why you fought so hard to put that in the game. *12:35* I mean, as you would expect, father and son moments in this game. *12:42* Yeah, I'm probably gonna be a mess. *12:45* And they are very powerful. *12:48* Um so powerful that there are there were a couple moments where *12:51* I almost was like getting choked up and I was like, dang, I'm not even a dad and this is hitting me. *12:57* So Yeah, oh I'm excited. *13:03* Um and somebody else on our team said the same thing and he's like 21 and doesn't have kids either. *13:06* He's like, dang dude, the writing in this game, very good *13:11* Hello everybody and welcome to Chapter Select, a seasonal podcast where we bounce back and forth between a series. *13:27* Exploring its evolution, design, and legacy. *13:32* For season four, we are covering the Fast and the Furious series. *13:35* My name is Max Roberts, and I am joined, as always, by Logan Moore. *13:38* Hi Logan. *13:41* Max, are we sure this is a Fast and Furious movie? *13:42* It says so in the title. *13:45* It says Fast and Furious Presents Hobbs and Shaw. *13:47* I think it's more Fast and Furious presents the rock because *13:50* I don't think he's Hobbes in this film. *13:56* This is just the rock. *13:58* Oh, weird. *14:01* It's like my first very first note in my document says Hobbes is so different than his fast five Hobbs. *14:02* Yes, that is something we will have to dive very maybe not very deep into, but that is absolutely the one thing that stood out about this movie to me is that it is just *14:09* Dwayne The Rock Johnson in this film. *14:20* I see no character that he is playing. *14:22* Should we just insult each other for the next hour? *14:26* Just to insults, you know. *14:29* I can't talk to you anymore. *14:31* It's your face. *14:32* The insults are very good in this film. *14:33* That was uh that was fun, but it was also maybe a little overkill at times because that's *14:35* Probably 20 minutes of the movie almost, it seems like. *14:41* Collectively, probably. *14:45* They really they really thought that the prison scene in Fast 8 was so good that they just decided to make an entire movie where they insult each other. *14:47* In the same way. *14:55* I kinda like it. *14:56* I'm here for it. *14:59* This is a weird movie. *15:01* Uh and I have a lot to I have a lot to say. *15:02* We'll get into it. *15:05* Let's uh let's do the rundown first and then we'll talk more about our general thoughts. *15:06* Fast and Furious presents Hobbes and Shaw *15:10* Which is what is this the ninth chronological movie in the series? *15:15* It is. *15:18* It released on August 2nd, 2019. *15:19* It was directed by David Letitch. *15:22* Produced by Dwayne Johnson, Jason Statham, Hiram Garcia, and Chris Morgan. *15:25* The writer was Chris Morgan, Andrew Pierce. *15:30* The primary actors in the film were Dwayne Johnson, Jason Statham, Idris Elba, Vanessa Kirby, Cliff Curtis, and Helen Mirin *15:33* The composer this time was Tyler Bates. *15:41* The stunt coordinator, the supervising stunt coordinator was Chris O'Hara, Simon Crane, and David Kubua were the other stunt coordinators. *15:44* And then this film's budget was a cool $200 million. *15:53* And it made $760 million at the box office. *15:58* Uh the Rotten Tomatoes aggregate this time around for critics was a 68% in audiences was *16:02* 88%, which I believe is one of the highest in the history of the series, and it makes me feel like a truly crazy person. *16:11* Because I I I talked to you about this. *16:22* I mean we can just get right into it. *16:25* What our experiences with the movie. *16:27* I I I guess do you have anything to say about this one with your own experience? *16:28* Again, I've We're so close to reality now, it's just like I went and saw it in the theaters. *16:32* This one is *16:36* We touched on it in Fate of the Furious, where they had greenlit spin-offs and sequel like other movies besides the core Fast and Furious. *16:38* So that was always interesting. *16:46* And it being Hobbes and Shaw. *16:47* Was just like, okay, that makes sense. *16:49* I guess the other touch point or histor, you know, my experience with it is the trailers for this movie. *16:51* Show off the whole movie. *16:59* Um, if you watch all of the trailers, you get the whole movie. *17:01* Uh that taught me to not watch them for F9. *17:05* Which one is the same thing with F9? *17:09* Shows the whole movie, so don't watch any trailers. *17:12* I mean, we're so close to where this is. *17:16* I mean, this movie is *17:17* Three years old. *17:18* So I I remembered most of the movie from the trailers that I was just seeing in theaters constantly. *17:19* So yeah, I mean all the there's the Russian *17:24* nuclear power plant scene where they're r running around there. *17:27* You got the N scene where they're in Samoa the island of Samoa, I think. *17:31* Uh *17:34* Yeah, it's the whole they show the whole thing. *17:35* London, everything. *17:38* Yes. *17:39* I don't understand how this got an 88%. *17:40* I I found this in the same vein as Fate of the Furious, I found this movie greatly *17:43* boring for the most part and I I think it's I think it's boring because *17:49* It does feel so disconnected from the mainline series. *17:58* Like all these other movies, even the ones I've been down on, have felt part of the larger franchise in some way. *18:01* And I think they've been able to hold my attention and it feels like they're building off something. *18:08* This is obviously a spinoff, but it feels so *18:12* different from the other fast movies and even we talked at the end of the last episode about how or you kind of warn me like oh CGI stuff's about to become way more prominent in the next couple of movies. *18:16* It is over the top here. *18:27* Like this does not feel like Fast and Furious because there's not many cars. *18:28* There's I mean there's a couple like chase there are cars, but the chase sequences and things like that are different. *18:34* Um and then the prominence of CGI really Yeah just makes it feel completely different in so many ways. *18:40* It's only Fast and Furious in name. *18:48* Really it's an action buddy cop movie starring Dwayne Johnson and Jason Statham. *18:50* with cameos from other famous actors, Ryan Reynolds, Kevin Hart. *18:55* Notice you didn't text me during Kevin Hart's reveal. *18:59* Only Ryan Reynolds. *19:02* But I think that's why this got an eighty eight. *19:04* Is because it is filled with very popular people that *19:07* uh folks in jig away and it's just a funny big action go boom movie. *19:09* Well and then *19:17* I mean, there's a lot of things to get into with the story, and I I don't know how we want to start or approach some of this stuff, but there's also just things *19:19* coming off of the last fast movies that I didn't understand or I felt like I missed something. *19:27* Like why is is uh is Deckard's mom is it Queenie? *19:31* Is that her name? *19:36* I think that's what I think that's her name. *19:37* Wait, when did she get in prison? *19:40* Did I miss something? *19:42* Why is she in jail? *19:43* It's just like he's the movie starts and she's in prison, and meanwhile, Deckard Shaw, who's like *19:46* A super terrorist at two movies prior and killed Han is just like, oh, I live in a penthouse now and I'm uh Is he a super terrorist or was he framed? *19:51* Oh yeah, he's still off Tan, even though the next movie's gonna undo that, which makes no sense. *20:02* It just I feel like I am *20:10* Like look, I I can get past the goofy action sequences and everybody being superheroes and Idris Elba catching bullets. *20:12* Fine, whatever. *20:20* That's fun. *20:21* But I like the story is like *20:22* I I I I d I I j I feel like I'm missing things as I watch this. *20:24* Like *20:35* The fast and furious, we've talked about this. *20:36* You know, it started from stealing DVD players to stopping nuclear submarines. *20:39* And like nuclear subs felt one step too far. *20:42* Now we are at Cyborgs. *20:45* Where companies are trying to m put machines in man and like wipe out the weak and mass genocide, all this like we've gone from nukes to cyborg genocide. *20:48* It's just so disconnected. *21:03* I mean fast ten or eleven is literally it has to be time travel or something. *21:06* I mean, right? *21:12* Like that's been the joke for a while now that's the. *21:13* Sladder dinosaurs, yeah. *21:15* Some like Jurassic Park crossover. *21:17* I don't know. *21:18* I don't I don't understand how they keep upping the anti *21:19* With this series. *21:22* Hobbs and Shaw 2 will eventually come out. *21:28* You mean two hobbs, two shaw? *21:31* Oh my god, please call it that. *21:32* Please call it. *21:34* Please. *21:36* Fast and Furious presents two Hobbs, two Shaw. *21:36* Or they could put they could put the two at the end of Hobbs the S at the end of Hobbs is a two. *21:41* I mean the Shaw, the S and the Shaw is a two. *21:47* That would be terrible. *21:51* They're speaking of names. *21:53* I've been holding on to this bit of information the whole season. *21:55* I've been waiting for Hobbes and Shaw to share this with you. *21:59* I don't think you knew this. *22:01* I've looked it up. *22:02* Do you know what the Fast and Furious movies are called in Japan? *22:03* Uh I do not. *22:08* They are called Wild Speed. *22:12* Wild Speed. *22:14* So the first one is Wild Speed, and then it's Wild Speed X2. *22:16* Wild Speed X3 Tokyo Drift. *22:20* Then we get to the good stuff. *22:23* For the fourth film, it's Wild Speed Max. *22:26* Fast Five is Wild Speed Mega Max. *22:29* Six is Wild Speed Euro mission. *22:32* Okay. *22:36* Seven is Sky Mission. *22:36* And eight is Icebreak. *22:39* Icebreak. *22:42* Hobbs and Shaw is called Wild Speed Colonel Super Combo. *22:44* I love it. *22:52* I love it so much. *22:53* Those are actually way better titles. *22:55* Right. *22:57* Icebreaker's a really good one. *22:58* I dig icebreaker. *23:00* Let's look I didn't even look up F9's title in Japan. *23:01* Wild Speed Jet Break is F9 in Jet. *23:04* Jet Break? *23:07* Jet Break. *23:08* You'll know what I'm saying. *23:09* Now I'm scared to watch that movie. *23:09* Oh my gosh. *23:11* So I've been holding on to that nugget uh for a long time because I think Wild Speed Super Combo is pretty awesome. *23:13* I mean, going back to the story stuff, I again, are there things I just straight up missed that went over my head? *23:21* Or like, are there reasons established like *23:28* Why is Sean not back in prison? *23:31* Like at the end of and I guess this is something we could have talked about at the end of Fate of the Furious as well, where he just shows up and he's like, hey, I'm part of the family now. *23:33* I'm here for I'm gonna meet this child named Brian *23:40* I assume Mr. *23:43* Nobody just let him go. *23:44* There was he was a good he's been brought into the family, so there's no reason to arrest him. *23:45* Basically, if you're friends with Dominic Toretto, you don't go to jail. *23:50* I guess *23:53* But even Dom was like a convict for like three or four movies there and had to keep running around the world to avoid cops and then that eventually came to a head with, you know, Hobbes there, 'cause he was a convict for I mean, from F one onward *23:54* He had to kind of dodge the cops and lay low. *24:09* We can't arrest him anymore because he's a good guy now and everyone likes him. *24:12* So Which is also why they retcon him in this movie. *24:16* But then why is his mom in jail? *24:20* Like did I miss something there? *24:23* Is that established either? *24:24* Like she's just in jail now. *24:25* She's just chilling. *24:28* What happens I I have to ask, and you can just tell me right now. *24:29* Is she in jail in f fast nine? *24:32* Because I know she's in fast nine. *24:34* Is she in the start? *24:36* It's just uh like what are we oh well I guess I guess they this movie they established that they're gonna break her out, yeah. *24:38* But *24:44* I I don't know. *24:46* Like, why is she in jail, but Deckard's not? *24:47* Where's Owen? *24:51* Yeah, and that's the other thing too. *24:52* Every one of these new movies, a new Shaw family member appears. *24:54* Like first it was Owen, then seven was Deckard, then eight was the mum. *24:57* Um now this one's the sister. *25:00* Like what is Where's Dad? *25:02* Yeah, there's gonna be an uncle that shows up at some point here soon, like, oh it's uncle it's Uncle Sean. *25:03* I mean look, Hobbs and Hobbs and ha um Hattie, you know, they may have a kid, and then you're gonna have *25:09* Hobbs Shaw Fusion. *25:15* Who are famous British actors that they can just keep bringing in to have you be part of the start tapping Yeah, we'll have uh Kit Harrington come in and be *25:17* The Shaw nephew or something. *25:29* Hey guys. *25:32* Yeah, I I don't know. *25:33* That was the first thing with this movie that I just felt like I was things things felt very off. *25:34* I do like *25:40* Like there are some scenes in this movie that I like cinematically. *25:43* I like the side-by-side opening, like montage scene. *25:48* That's good. *25:52* When the rock takes a spoonful of coffee, I thought. *25:53* Yes, I wrote that down. *25:56* I wrote literally just wrote, Hobbes eats a scoop of coffee. *25:58* Would that work? *26:02* Like you're trying to wake up and get the benefits of coffee if you just ate a scoop, would that work? *26:04* I don't know *26:10* Is that is is coffee on its own caffeinated like that or does it need to be I think the do I mean I assume I er I assume so, yeah, because you can eat coffee beans and they are caffeinated like that because I've done that before *26:12* Like there's like candied coffee beans or whatever you can eat. *26:26* And they do give you kind of a jolt out of caffeine. *26:29* I guess. *26:33* I don't know if Hobbes doesn't know. *26:33* The man just gets a scoop of folgers. *26:35* So bad. *26:38* Best part of waking up is scooping folders directly into your mouth. *26:40* Yeah. *26:45* Raw eggs. *26:45* I don't know about that one, brother. *26:47* Like that's a fun thing. *26:48* But there it *26:50* There are scenes like that that I like, but they stand they're so There are just one-off like uh cinematic things that they do in this *26:51* movie that don't ever come back again. *27:01* Like when she's like, oh we gotta pull off the Mick Jagger and then it splashes on the screen and says Mick Jagger and then it shows like a flashback sequence and *27:04* Explains this whole thing. *27:12* I thought that there that was gonna like be a refrain and show up a cup what was the other one? *27:13* When they blew up the safe. *27:18* Oh yeah. *27:20* Okay. *27:23* They did it twice. *27:24* Yeah. *27:26* It's just it's it's a lot of styles coming together, right? *27:27* You've got this buddy cop side by side split. *27:31* You've got the comedy element, you've got all these action pieces, you've got comedic flashbacks. *27:34* It's just whatever fits the moment and it kind of feels hodge-podged at times. *27:39* And then you've got the super serious evil corporation that with a disembodied evil voice talking about. *27:45* Yeah, that was really bad. *27:51* Like I You'll remember me, Hobbs. *27:52* I'm I was gonna say, it was is that supposed to be somebody we know? *27:55* Like that was so poorly done. *27:58* For some reason I remember it being Ryan Reynolds, but *28:02* That's not the case, obviously. *28:07* Okay. *28:09* Yeah, I I don't know. *28:10* You bring up Ryan Reynolds there. *28:13* I let's actually touch on some of the cameos real quick. *28:14* Like why? *28:19* I guess is just my question. *28:20* That's that's that's the thing. *28:23* And that's actually this kind of leads into what I really want to talk what I mentioned up front. *28:25* Is this movie has *28:30* The rock's fingerprints all over it. *28:32* The company was a production company. *28:35* Yeah, I know Seven Bucks Production was the production company behind this and he produced it and things like that. *28:37* I I get that. *28:41* But *28:43* It really just does feel like he was roping in all his friends. *28:43* He was playing himself. *28:47* He was even we've mentioned in the past, like I talked about in fast, I want to say seven when he's in the hospital. *28:49* I told you like there's a cameo where he's watching the TV and the T V is showing highlights of his college football career. *28:56* And that so that's like kind of a nod to *29:03* the rock outside of that character. *29:05* This movie though is way too direct about some of that stuff. *29:07* Like Kevin Hart showing up is just feels like it's like, oh hey *29:12* Cause the rock and Kevin Hart, they're in so many movies together. *29:15* Well, we're gonna do it again, and they're buddies, and they uh like him showing up was just clearly *29:18* Dwayne Johnson being like, hey, I want Kevin Hart in the movie. *29:24* Let's throw him in here somehow. *29:27* We're buddies. *29:28* Uh same with Ryan Reynolds. *29:29* And then *29:31* And when he's like FaceTiming with his daughter and he does the eyebrow, it's like, okay, we're going a little too far here with just this these constant nods to *29:32* This being the rock. *29:41* We know he is the rock. *29:42* Can you play Hobbs? *29:44* Can you play a character rather than doing your rock stuff? *29:45* But *29:49* This movie got an 88 with audiences. *29:50* That's what people want to see. *29:53* That's what the I don't. *29:55* I'm with ya. *29:57* I'm with you. *29:58* I wanted Hobbs *29:58* Hobbes like I mean we may as well get into a larger discussion about this now, but Hobbes has completely eroded as a character and to the point that I don't even like him. *30:00* Where is the where's the guy that got off the plane in Brazil? *30:09* And was, you know, ask him for his veggies and never ever let him get in their cars. *30:12* Where's the guy who's Old Testament, you know, blood bullets and uh *30:17* I forget the other thing. *30:22* You know, where's that one? *30:23* Now it's I'm gonna bust in and tattoo uh I love cops on your forehead and pick ya up and throw ya around. *30:25* Well even the stuff even the stuff at the end of the movie too with *30:32* him going to his whole Samoan family. *30:36* Like that's that's just like rock st stuff at at the end of the day. *30:38* Like his character's backstory kinds of li kinda lines up with his own *30:44* Yeah. *30:47* His own real life backstory. *30:48* And he even puts his own cousin in the movie with Roman Reigns. *30:49* And like, that's fine, and I didn't have an issue with that, but again, it's like *30:52* The ideas that he had in the movie, it's just it was more just like, oh well, what's in my real life? *30:56* Who are my friends? *31:01* Oh, Kevin Hart's my friend. *31:02* I'll put him in this movie and *31:03* What am I? *31:05* I'm a Samoan guy and my cousin is Droman Reigns and we'll put them in the movie and they're gonna be my family and they'll fight with uh it's just it's *31:06* It doesn't feel like he's playing the character anymore at all. *31:13* And this has been something that has slowly eroded since Fast Five. *31:16* Like Fast Five, I felt like I would not have seen him. *31:20* as Dwayne the Rock Johnson, which I was impressed by and surprised by because most of the rock movies are literally just him playing the rock. *31:23* Like this is not *31:32* How he is represented in Hobbs and Shaw isn't necessarily a surprise to me, I should say. *31:34* Like I'm used to The Rock playing himself in a lot of his parts. *31:38* But Hobbes was the one instance where I felt like that wasn't necessarily the case. *31:43* And that has kind of undone itself slowly over time, and I don't like that. *31:48* It's it stinks, honestly. *31:53* Mm-hmm. *31:55* And I missed the goatee. *31:56* It's a big bummer, but *31:57* This is I don't want it to sound at least for me personally, like I like The Rock. *32:00* I like Dwayne. *32:04* Yeah, I do too. *32:05* It's I'm still enjoying his performance. *32:06* I follow The Rock on Instagram. *32:10* I see him talking all the time. *32:12* I see I'm up at the morning clanging and banging in the Iron Paradise. *32:13* Enjoy your gaming, Zoa energy. *32:18* Like I get enough of The Rock unfiltered as it is. *32:20* That when I see him on the big screen, I would like him to be something else other than the rock that I see on Instagram and Twitter all the time. *32:23* Like, can you play a character other than yourself? *32:30* Because I see you as it is. *32:33* A lot. *32:36* And like even his wrestling persona is different. *32:36* Like he's playing an amplified version of himself. *32:39* But when he is the rock in WWE, he's different. *32:41* He has a different cadence and a style, different style. *32:45* Hobbes has turned into the rock. *32:48* Yeah. *32:52* Yes. *32:52* Which is because Hobbes was a really cool character. *32:53* Um, so it's a big bummer there that he kinda has turned into *32:56* Just the rock. *33:02* And if he ever does return in a Fast and Furious mainline film or Hobbes and Shaw 2, I'm curious which *33:03* I assume we're just gonna stay in rock land with his performance and kind of keep that in a clearly his production company's gotta hold on this now to some degree. *33:11* Right. *33:21* So *33:21* And uh, you know, whose money is where does that go? *33:22* And you know, this movie was written by the same guy who's written the all the Fast and Furious movies since *33:25* Um, Tokyo Drift. *33:32* So he he has transformed Hobbes as well. *33:34* I'm sure working together with Dwayne, you know, they collaborate, and this is kind of where we want to take this character and all that stuff, but it's *33:36* It is a bummer uh to see the character of Luke Hobbs turn into Dwayne Hobbs Johnson. *33:44* Yeah. *33:51* So I will say Shaw is *33:52* The same. *33:56* But Jason Statham, I feel like, plays he he doesn't have the broadest r I mean he's an action star. *33:57* It's he's kind of playing the same character in every movie I've ever seen him in, but it's *34:04* Fine, I guess. *34:10* Like Jason Satham isn't the rock is is so different, I guess, to criticize in this way because the rock is like *34:11* Ever present in front of our faces, whether it be social media or videos or advertisements, or you can't go to again, you can't go to the grocery store without, hey! *34:18* By my Terramana Tequila and Zoa energy, like he's everywhere. *34:26* He's ubiquitous. *34:29* He's just you cannot not see the rock. *34:31* Jason Statham, like, even though he is playing the same character in essentially every movie, it's like, okay, well *34:33* He's just kind of an action star guy and he's when you're not seeing him on the big screen, you're not really seeing him anywhere. *34:40* So I it's it's more acceptable in that sense, I guess. *34:45* And he does fine in the movie. *34:48* All his quips are good, and he does him and The Rock do have really good chemistry, I think. *34:50* That's where I wanted to take it. *34:54* is the glue of this movie, it's why this movie was the first spinoff made. *34:58* These two together have wonderful energy. *35:03* and great writing and delivery. *35:07* They just play off each other so well. *35:09* Yeah, I agree. *35:11* It's the it's the it's the best thing about the movie. *35:12* Now *35:15* Let's talk about some of the other new characters that enter the fray. *35:16* We can talk about let's let's actually say Vidris, because I think I have more to say about him than I do uh uh Hattie here, who just again feels like *35:19* I'm another Shaw family member getting thrown into this. *35:29* And she's fine, but she's cool. *35:32* She's she's the MacGuffin of the movie, too. *35:36* Like that everybody is just after her because she's decided to put a *35:39* Super virus in her own bloodstream. *35:43* The plot is so we haven't talked about the plot at all. *35:45* The plot is so bonkers. *35:48* Like not only is there cyborg people *35:50* Like Idris Elva's cyborg man wanting everything. *35:53* Yes activates. *35:58* A reprogrammable virus *36:00* Yes, that will melt the inside of your body's organs or something weird. *36:03* I don't know. *36:08* And it's not even really established that clearly why *36:09* Idris and them want it other than just control, I guess? *36:12* Same sort of thing. *36:16* So they'll program it for people with *36:20* diabetes or Alzheimer's and it will only kill those people, you know. *36:23* Okay, so it's a it's a Thanos sort of thing sort of will kill the weak. *36:28* Which of of this is a company like a *36:33* Uh theoretically, this is a company that you can like buy their products at the store and they're out here like, haha, we will kill the weak and put machines in people. *36:36* It's so *36:46* Just so bonkers. *36:47* Yeah, it's I don't know. *36:50* disembodied voice speaking on a screen while a bunch of people click clack away on computers in a room would have been You'll remember me, Hobbes. *36:59* Yeah, I I think it would have been better *37:09* Speaking more to the actual villain though, which is Idris, I think he's the best character in the movie. *37:12* I like Idris Elba. *37:18* I like Idris Elba a lot though. *37:20* So *37:22* I do not think he is um I I guess he I would say he is the over the top things that I do like about these movies where he's just *37:24* He's just a s he's just a superhuman dude and they just gotta fight him. *37:34* But they at least try to explain more why he is a superhuman. *37:38* It's like, oh, his body's been altered and he's got *37:42* cybernetics running through his body and he's been built as a superhuman other than when Dom just does Superman feats of strength and there's no explanation for it. *37:45* At least they try to establish *37:56* Why Idris Elva is as strong as he is. *37:58* Like, there's no explanation for why Hobbes is able to hold a helicopter with a chain in this movie. *38:00* No. *38:06* That's absolutely factually established because this man slides torpedoes on ice, takes drones out with ambulances. *38:07* Of course he can hold a helicopter. *38:15* Like, at least with Idris, he's like one of the most over-the-top characters they've had in probably this entire film series, but there are *38:17* They try to give some reasons behind it rather than just having him come in and catch bullets in his hand and be like, oh I can just do that because for no reason. *38:25* Like I I don't know. *38:36* I I think he's fine and I like Idris Elba. *38:37* He's also not uh I don't feel like he plays baddie characters like this too often. *38:39* Like I know he's in The Wire and I think he's a villain in The Wire if I'm correct. *38:47* I've never seen that show, so don't *38:51* I've seen like half a season one. *38:53* Um he is on the wire though. *38:55* Idris is good. *38:57* He *38:59* He's definitely cartoony evil. *39:01* Like over the top, amped. *39:03* I'm I need to kill them. *39:05* I need to keep getting my cyborg enhancements until I'm the perfect machine. *39:06* Uh it's just *39:11* Having Shaw be the one that shot him in the head back in the day, like gives this weird vengeance spin plot that really I guess only happenstances even happens because Hattie is involved. *39:15* He just He's just cartoony evil, but he they do not do the thing where they go and prove how evil he is by doing something, you know, I shall now murder this one person. *39:28* to establish my true villainy. *39:40* He it's established pretty early on. *39:42* He's just a bad guy with superpowers. *39:44* My *39:46* The things I guess I associate with uh Brix Brixton, that's his character's name. *39:48* The motorcycle I do not like *39:56* The transforming spinny motorcycle, like that pulls me out of it. *39:59* Well that's like the most CGI part of the movie. *40:05* Yes. *40:07* Every time he's on that motorcycle, I'm just not a fan of it. *40:07* I don't like when they switch to his first person view and they show his computer AI. *40:11* That feels like a cheap Iron Man knockoff to me. *40:17* Um like a it's more like a Terminator thing. *40:21* And they make a they make a call to that. *40:24* I think Hobbes even says that in the movie, like, oh, so we're being chased by the turnpayers. *40:26* Like, yeah, that's basically what he is. *40:30* So *40:32* But he clearly has fun with the role, I think. *40:33* Um I'm black Superman. *40:35* That's a really great line. *40:37* It's fun. *40:39* And then when Hobbs says, Here comes your kryptonite later on, that's a good call. *40:40* I think that's when he hasn't picked *40:44* I think that's *40:59* I think that works it in this series now. *41:00* Like that's kind of what if we're gonna get so nonsensical at this point with what the set pieces are and with what the plots are, then I think the villains need to be a little *41:03* Outlandish as well, and with Fast Eight, I don't feel like Cypher was a great villain because she was too serious. *41:14* Brixton's involved. *41:22* He's actually boots on the ground. *41:23* Well, he's involved, yes, but he also feels His motivations are more I don't know. *41:25* Cypher's motivations are also equal parts crazy, but *41:33* His are more, yeah, like we said, cartoonishly evil, where it's just like goofy, like, I want the whole world to be cyborgs, the evolution of man. *41:37* It's like, okay, well this is just dumb. *41:44* And Cypher's like, I want nukes to check all the world powers. *41:46* It's like, huh? *41:50* What? *41:50* One of them is so just silly and the uh I they're both silly, but uh one of them is more like vaudevillian almost. *41:52* Um *42:00* So yeah, I I I liked Idris largely in the movie, but I'm predisposed to like Idris because I just think he's a good actor in most of what he's in, and I want to see the movie where he fights a lion really badly, but that's another *42:01* That's another point entirely. *42:13* We talked a little bit before about the CGI usage in this movie. *42:16* And you talked about the motorcycle a moment ago and *42:21* Yeah, that's probably the most disappointing thing about this movie to me, is that it is so devoid of practical effects, and it's more apparent than ever. *42:27* And there are some practical scenes I can think of towards the end. *42:36* But other than that, everything else felt so fake in the movie. *42:42* And *42:47* I guess that's what bored me about it is that usually these movies, no matter what the plots are, no matter what the character motivations are, you can always stay kind of gripped to the screen because *42:48* The action scenes themselves themselves always look really good. *42:59* And in this they looked so bad. *43:02* It's rough. *43:06* It's a rough ride, man. *43:07* And *43:08* Like the London chase, I'm just not engaged there at all. *43:11* It's yeah, it's cool to see a McLaren drifting around and stuff, but *43:16* The motorcycle. *43:20* I will say I like the rock sticking his arm out, grabbing a guy, and then slamming him against a brick raw, but not breaking the rock's arm. *43:21* That's pretty good. *43:28* But like drifting under the semi-trucks *43:29* Totally just like awful. *43:33* There's a lot of slow-mo in this movie. *43:34* The final fight scene, there's a ton of it too. *43:36* But that looks cool, I think. *43:39* I'm gonna I'm gonna talk we'll talk about the final fight and that slow-mo. *43:40* in a moment. *43:44* But the whole that ties back into the motorcycle, like the CG bike riding on the wall and then jumping through, you know, under the semis and rolling over. *43:45* It just feels *43:55* Same thing when they blow up the uh base running out of there and Shaw's driving that four wheeler thing and it's just like we all this stuff. *43:56* It's just *44:06* Way too much reliance on visual CG effects that just feels meh. *44:09* Which is weird because $200 million was dropped into this movie and there was *44:17* There are previous movies in this series that did not cost this much to make and I get like inflation and prices go up over time, whatever. *44:22* But like there are *44:29* Other movies they made in this series that were closer to only like I want to say like 150 million to make and they the effects in those are just *44:30* drastically more impressive. *44:39* I think what that is is your trade-off between practicality and CGI and when it's all in the camera and on frame and on set. *44:41* It looks better. *44:48* It's more believable and grounded. *44:49* And no matter how much money you pour into the CG side of things, it's just never gonna be as gripping as putting it out. *44:51* on the street and even the equivalent, you know, two hundred million dollar Fast and Furious movies *45:00* They really leaned into the practicality of things for their big action set pieces and that pays off. *45:08* Yeah. *45:15* And I I think the thing too that that's really clear to me about this is that it's not just us complaining about practical effects not being used. *45:16* I think it really is *45:23* When you look at all the most popular action movie franchises, I think part of the reason that many of them are so popular is because *45:25* of the practical effects that are used. *45:33* Like I think of John Wick. *45:35* John Wick has a ton of practical effects in it, and I think that's w one major reason why so many people like those movies a lot. *45:37* I think it's why a lot of people latched on to these fast movies up until the past couple here. *45:44* Um I really feel like it wasn't until eight that the CGI has gone into full overdrive. *45:48* Yes. *45:55* So *45:56* Like up until up until Fate of the Furious, and then now we've got Hobbs and Shaw. *45:57* It feels like they've really started to lean into CGI more. *46:01* But then you look even uh back with like the older Star Wars uh prequels *46:03* Um older Star Wars prequels. *46:09* That's a weird thing to say now because for some reason I still think those are only like five to ten years old. *46:10* Um, we're old. *46:15* Uh like those movies, a lot of people have complained forever about lack of practical effects in that. *46:17* And then when they made the Disney trilogy, they're like, oh well, we're gonna make sure to put more practical effects in the new movies, which they *46:21* Kind of did for a bit. *46:27* Um I yeah, I I just I guess what I'm trying to say is you can't undervalue practical effects. *46:29* And I think a lot of these big movie studios nowadays think that they can just outsource everything to *46:36* visual arts companies and that'll that'll be fine and in a lot of instances it is. *46:40* Like obviously Marvel's very reliant on that stuff and that's been hugely successful for them in a lot of ways. *46:45* But *46:52* There is something to be said about the viewer experience. *46:52* I mean, dude, look at Top Gun this year. *46:56* That's a perfect example, I think, of why that movie has been so popular with *46:59* fans and why people keep going to see it at the theaters. *47:04* Um or at least they were. *47:07* I don't know if it's still in theaters. *47:09* I think it's still in theaters. *47:10* I think it is too. *47:12* Yeah. *47:13* It is that movie has been hugely popular this this year, and I think it's because it feels like a movie for like it feels like a major feature film, and uh oh uh this does not, it's just so *47:14* Vapid and still it's stone movie theaters. *47:27* Yeah, I can pick right now. *47:33* I'm not surprised at all. *47:35* Uh yeah, Top Gun Maverick's a a great example of that too. *47:37* And I I think if if more movie companies are just willing to put in the time and effort *47:39* and coordination that is needed for practical effects, then there's a big boon to it like at the box office. *47:44* I think p I think it really does strike a chord with viewers. *47:50* I I *47:53* As we have watched all these, that is the one thing that has stood out to me more than probably anything else, is that I respect what they have done with a lot of the action scenes in these movies up until the past couple. *47:54* So. *48:04* I will say in the realm of practicality, while the big action set pieces as far as the chases and vehicles and things like that *48:05* are pretty CG heavy. *48:15* One area they lean heavily into this movie that is practical are the fights, the fist fights. *48:17* Yeah. *48:23* Those are coordinated. *48:23* And the director of this movie, uh I was it Derek uh David Leitch, Leitch, Leitch Litch. *48:24* Um *48:33* He apparently was a stunt guy and coordinator and combat specialist type stuff in previous films, and so he's bringing that here. *48:34* And a lot of the fist fights in this movie are practical and have the same *48:43* Not necessarily stunt doubles and stuff. *48:49* I mean when you have people like Jason Statham and Dwayne Johnson, that's probably a bit easier to choreograph and all that stuff. *48:51* But there's a lot of physicality there that I think does pay off and those are pretty good. *48:58* And that leads into that final fight *49:04* Which, Logan, all practical. *49:07* They built that set, that like rain pit, filmed for a week with rain, real rain. *49:10* And they used super slow-mo cameras to get those slow-mo shots. *49:16* So those aren't even CG. *49:20* Those are real actually hitting each other type set moments caught in super slow-mo at high quality with real rain and *49:21* So I'm really glad that they at least leaned into the practicality and the the fighting aspect of this movie. *49:30* Yeah, the final fight scene, the final *49:37* Fisticuff Fisticuff's brawl that they have there is the most engaging and enjoyable action scene in the movie, and it's very basic. *49:40* Um but the slow motion hits are awesome. *49:49* The rain pouring down is great. *49:52* I also do love just the *49:54* idea behind that scene too, like, oh well, he's gonna be able to hit one of us, but he can't block both of us. *49:58* So we'll tr go back and forth. *50:04* Hobbes and Shaw go back and forth between being the person to take a punch themselves and then *50:07* deal a shot to uh Brixton and that that's fun. *50:11* I I don't know, like i it's this movie's so *50:15* I guess telegraphed with what's gonna happen earli uh like early on. *50:20* They're like, Oh, I don't wanna work with this guy, I hate working with this guy, and then you know by the end of the movie they're gonna have to *50:24* Come together and work as a team, and that's exactly what happens, but at least the way they they go about doing that makes for an enjoyable fight scene, uh, which I gotta kick out of. *50:29* Yeah, the final the final fight scene itself is *50:38* Good. *50:41* Let's talk about the other action scenes though. *50:43* So we've talked about the London Chase, I don't think there's a lot to mention. *50:46* Is there anything you that really stands out that you'd like to mention in the Moscow sequence? *50:49* 'Cause it's just a another poor kind of the hallway's not bad. *50:54* Yeah, Jason stays. *50:59* A whole lot of bad guys behind that door. *51:01* Yeah those types of things. *51:03* Those are good. *51:04* Yeah, that's and that's a great interaction and it shows off their physicality. *51:05* Hobbs gets his kind of Harrison Ford Indiana Jones moment too where the guy seems really intimidating and he just punches him square in the face. *51:08* Finding a guy bigger, like taller than the rock. *51:15* That's probably an interesting casting call. *51:18* That guy had to be probably close to seven feet. *51:19* So Yeah, it was pretty wild. *51:23* So that's a good moment. *51:24* I like the *51:26* Battery torture scene gives Brixton chance to, you know, ramble on, be that kind of supervillain with a monologue. *51:29* Mon monologuing, yeah. *51:37* Yeah. *51:38* And you've got *51:38* Uh you got Hobbs saying that they can take five shocks or whatever. *51:39* So that you know it's that's a funny, light-hearted moment. *51:43* That almost reminded me like of a bit from like SpongeBob or something though. *51:48* Like where it's like *51:52* Like it was it uh talk about cartoonish. *51:55* Like I felt like Yeah, that's so I think that that's fun. *51:57* But when things blow up and we're escaping, that's when it all just gets sucked out and just not eh, whatever. *52:00* Yeah, the character moments aren't bad. *52:07* I I I do like the interactions there um between Brixton and Hobbs and Shaw. *52:09* The final scene *52:14* I guess the final big ol' Samoan versus Etian soldiers battle. *52:17* Mama, where'd all our guns go? *52:23* I got rid of them. *52:26* I *52:28* I don't know. *52:30* I have really in some senses I think it's fun, and I think it's completely different from anything else we've seen in the Fast and Furious movies, so I'm kind of fine with it. *52:30* It feels so out of place at the same time though. *52:41* Like, again, like when I talk of uh like I said before *52:46* It just felt like the entire idea was the rock like, hey, I really want to inject some Samoan culture into this movie. *52:50* How can we do that? *52:56* And like the *52:57* Rather than this being just an idea in the script that then they're like, okay, cool, it felt like it felt unnatural how this was put into the movie in some senses, if that makes any sense. *52:58* I'm gonna push back a little bit. *53:09* I'm gonna push back just a smidge. *53:11* In Fate of the Furious, we get that Samoan war cry soccer chant. *53:12* So at least that's a little bit established. *53:17* Again, that is just the rock pouring his himself into the character of Hobbes. *53:19* Yeah. *53:23* And then, like you said earlier, this movie telegram we know where this movie's going from the moment it starts. *53:24* That also includes when he's having breakfast with his daughter and she's like, look at our family tree, and it's like, Yes. *53:29* We have no one in our tree, dad. *53:35* Which is like the most cliched. *53:38* Yes. *53:40* That I feel like that has been that's such an overused trope. *53:40* Like, oh, our family is so small, and then *53:45* That's a good thing. *53:48* Hobbes going back home makes sense in that *53:54* cliche way. *53:57* So where are we gonna go? *53:58* We're gonna go to Samoa because that's the rock putting himself into the character. *53:59* We get some good character moments there. *54:04* We get an interesting context for Hobbes, kind of *54:06* This actually feels more Hobbes than the rest of the movie. *54:09* The the reason he doesn't associate with his family is because his dad was like a criminal and he turned his dad in and his brothers felt like *54:13* that he abandoned them and kind of went turned his back on his family. *54:21* But it feels so out of place compared to everything else. *54:25* Like it's it's like 90 minutes into the movie he then transitions to becomes *54:28* c become more Hobbes like for about a ten minute sequence and then he becomes the rock again. *54:33* It's like this is the one part that make *54:38* This a fast and furious movie. *54:44* Family. *54:46* Family. *54:47* Family. *54:48* Family. *54:48* Yeah. *54:49* So we get we get this whole brother thing. *54:49* He's got a lot of brothers. *54:52* It's there. *54:54* It's predictable. *54:55* Not super terrible. *54:57* Not not too bad. *54:59* The fight, the actual like, let's set up the island and we're gonna fight them with with sticks, arrows, and and bows and stuff. *55:00* Kinda cool. *55:09* I like it. *55:10* And it is practical, the fighting part of it. *55:11* Now, when we get in a car and we're fishing a helicopter, we enter CG land again. *55:13* But the actual like fist fight part of it. *55:18* Uh-huh. *55:20* CG are practical. *55:21* So I enjoy that as well. *55:23* But again, that's in the fist fighting realm, not the stunt set piece realm. *55:24* There are a couple things I just have to *55:29* mention about this scene and it's continuity errors all over the place. *55:32* It is you mean how fast the sun rises? *55:39* Well, that's one thing. *55:42* They start the timer on her thing and it's like thirty minutes and it starts sucking out her uh whatever, the evil skin milt virus, organ melting virus or whatever. *55:43* It starts sucking it out of her *55:53* And then they go outside and it's pitch black. *55:55* And then they start fighting and then it becomes midday. *55:57* And then you see by the end of that fight scene where they're all kind of gathered up there in front of the compound or whatever. *55:59* You can see the clock on her thing and it's at like 21 minutes. *56:04* It's like so wait, in a span of nine minutes, we've gone from this thing beginning to suck out the evil super virus. *56:08* to then them doing their whole war cran war cry chant, to then the sun coming up and it being midday to then it starts downpouring five minutes later and then it's pitch black again, which I get that storm clouds are it's just so like *56:16* What? *56:31* Like I I don't I think I think more time passes uh I mean I would have you'd have to figure this out exactly. *56:31* But when they hit the clock and it starts counting down from thirty minutes, I feel like twenty minutes pass before you see it again and it's like in movie only like *56:41* Nine minutes have passed on the clock. *56:50* It's like, what the heck? *56:51* They started this thing up 20 minutes ago in the movie. *56:52* Uh it just there that sense of time is so bizarre. *56:55* And then there's one other major thing I have to bring up. *56:59* Go for it. *57:01* So when the rock starts his whole Samoan war chant with his Usos and they're standing there, he's wearing like *57:02* A loincloth and no shirt. *57:11* And then out of nowhere, two minutes later, when he jumps on the back of the truck, he's wearing a shirt and pants. *57:13* And I'm like, when did it show him the shirt on? *57:19* Okay, well she puts on pants too. *57:24* The pants, I don't know where this came from. *57:26* It could have been under the loincloth thing, but he definitely they definitely show him putting the shirt on. *57:28* Okay, okay, so I must have missed that scene briefly. *57:33* Must have looked away or something. *57:36* That's but that I can imagine if you missed it, that's super jarring. *57:39* I don't think it is. *57:43* I don't think he is wearing pants. *57:44* in the other scene. *57:46* I think he is wearing like those shorts or whatever. *57:47* So I I I just th I just love the idea that in the midst of this large battlefield, this all out brawl *57:49* Hobbs found time to put on shirt and pants that he must have brought with him for this fight, and then he goes and hops on the back of the car and starts throwing a chain at a helicopter and stuff. *57:57* Very goofy. *58:08* Looking at some pictures, he has pants on under the red uh cloth thing. *58:09* There are shots. *58:15* So it's not as much of a continuity error as I thought. *58:19* The Time noticed it as soon as I saw it in theaters. *58:22* Like, this is just wild. *58:25* They filmed the whole thing during the day and then they've used edit lighting editing later. *58:27* Which they've done in the past. *58:32* I feel like they did that in fast *58:33* One as well with the truck scene there at the end. *58:35* Yeah. *58:39* Yes. *58:39* Uh because they leave at night and then it's like dusk when they start trying to hijack that truck and then it becomes midday out of nowhere. *58:39* It's like, what the heck? *58:47* Um *58:48* I yeah, I guess my question is why they're just not setting these scenes during the day. *58:49* It's probably because they think certain things pop better at night. *58:54* I I don't know. *58:57* Yeah, and it's obviously easier to film during the day, so it's this conflict of the yeah. *58:58* Especially large action scenes like that. *59:04* Yeah. *59:06* I guess the last thing to say, since we're talking about this whole final scene, is just *59:07* The helicopter stuff in general. *59:13* I love it. *59:17* You love it? *59:17* Him. *59:19* I think the rock holding a helicopter with one arm and the truck with the other and this whole like hook on the *59:19* It's dumb. *59:28* It's over the top. *59:29* But that's like the Fast and Furious dumb stunt that I love. *59:30* And just the visual image of that is. *59:34* Awesome. *59:39* So I I write it all off. *59:40* That was the one moment of the movie where I was like, this feels like Fast and Furious now because they're doing dumb stuff with cars. *59:43* So they get it in there at the final second and *59:50* They don't do a lot with it, but it is very silly. *59:53* Well, you know, the other Fast and Furious kind of moment was when they walked through the garage. *59:57* And they're like, oh look at our custom cars. *01:00:01* Oh, those are going over to Tokyo. *01:00:03* I was like, yes, we got a Tokyo mention. *01:00:05* Yeah, they always gotta drop Tokyo in there to make you remember the Tokyo. *01:00:08* that the Tokyo racing scene is alive and well, even though we've not seen it with our own eyes for quite some time. *01:00:13* Yeah, the the helicopter stuff was fun. *01:00:19* Uh *01:00:22* I guess I uh my my only problem with it in the moment was uh I was like, oh man, this is pretty anticlimactic way for Idris to be involved in this final scene, but then obviously they get the final. *01:00:23* Yes. *01:00:34* Fist fight there at the end. *01:00:34* I was like, okay, that that that rectifies that that's good. *01:00:35* Because I was afraid that Idris was gonna meet his doom in this helicopter, and I'm like, oh this is kind of *01:00:38* Not that thrilling, but yeah, they don't do that. *01:00:43* There's some other so we've talked about most of the movie at this point. *01:00:47* I think a couple of the other things I would like to touch on, this is something I actually texted you about before we began recording, is just *01:00:51* The post-credit scenes in this movie are so weird. *01:00:59* It's just there's three of them. *01:01:03* We uh there we had more jokes, but they didn't feel right in the movie, so we're just gonna put them in the credits. *01:01:06* I gotta put an anus joke here is a post-credit scene. *01:01:11* Okay. *01:01:14* That's I think that's good and in character for them. *01:01:15* But the one with the one with Ryan Reynolds like fighting people and then the one with him bleeding. *01:01:18* Those felt like eh. *01:01:24* And then they bring up the Game of Thrones stuff again. *01:01:26* I'm like, okay, what are we why are we still invoking Game of Thrones here? *01:01:28* Clearly like varia the time. *01:01:32* Like that is a joke that won't age well. *01:01:34* That was a very intimate writing. *01:01:36* It's not going to age super well later. *01:01:38* Yeah, I mean it's only been three. *01:01:41* It doesn't age well now. *01:01:42* I was gonna say Game of Thrones is still relevant nowadays and it still hasn't aged well. *01:01:43* Um Yeah, I I I don't really *01:01:47* Ryan Reynolds' character once again. *01:01:51* It was just Ryan Reynolds. *01:01:53* He's just showing up in the riff with the rock and that's it. *01:01:56* He's there's no okay with it. *01:01:59* I know. *01:02:02* If you're gonna put the Ryan Reynolds in this movie, can you make him a bet he just literally shows up out of nowhere and he's just like, Hey, Hobbs, let's riff, and that's all he's there for. *01:02:04* He d he does literally nothing except show up in this *01:02:13* Diner and he's there the whole movie until he's somewhere else at the end on a boat or something. *01:02:16* I I knowing that that's the role, I'm fine with it. *01:02:23* I now if they go and *01:02:27* Take this character who I don't even know the name of and they like make him an interlock art and Hobbs and Shaq 2? *01:02:29* Probably *01:02:37* Like if they do that, then we've gone too far. *01:02:38* Like if he's just here to be Ryan Reynolds for five minutes, sure *01:02:41* Yeah. *01:02:46* But that's all he I the post credit scenes make it feel like too much. *01:02:46* I think his two scenes in the core movie, fine *01:02:50* But when we have two post-credit scenes with him, it's like Well that's and the way it's set up too is there's the post-credit scene with him, and then there's the other one where the rock's like, oh hey, ha ha, Hugh Janus, haha, and then the other post-credit scene goes back *01:02:53* To the previous scene. *01:03:06* It's like what? *01:03:08* What are we doing here? *01:03:09* Like I think that's uh we had too many things and we wanted to fit it in, so we're just gonna throw it all in. *01:03:10* There was no editorial decision here. *01:03:17* Yeah, they just threw it in because for the heck of it. *01:03:19* Speaking of the Hugh Janus stuff though, I did like *01:03:23* The uh I did like the air airpl the airplane scene and I like the rock's getup when he goes through the airplane. *01:03:26* When he goes through security. *01:03:35* His name is my name is Michael. *01:03:36* I go by Michael. *01:03:38* What was his name? *01:03:39* Mike Oxmall or something like that. *01:03:40* Yeah, yeah, yeah. *01:03:42* Yeah. *01:03:43* I go by Michael. *01:03:44* Uh I like that whole scene. *01:03:45* Kevin Hart showing up of all the cameos in the movie. *01:03:47* I thought Kevin Hart did do the best job. *01:03:49* Him and The Rock have great chemistry. *01:03:51* Yeah. *01:03:54* I thought that that was a a fun little way for him to show up and be this air marshal that's uh *01:03:55* I don't know. *01:04:03* Again, it it it he did not feel like he was playing a character. *01:04:04* It was just like, oh, there's Kevin Hart. *01:04:07* So no one in this movie feels like they are playing a character other than maybe *01:04:10* Idris Elba and Vanessa Kirby. *01:04:15* Yeah. *01:04:19* Everybody else is just themselves and like we always see them. *01:04:19* And it's this that's very *01:04:23* Odd, even Helen Mirin to a degree is kind of like that. *01:04:26* I don't know so as we begin to sort of wrap up here *01:04:29* We've talked a lot about the stunts and stuff like that. *01:04:33* I don't know if you had anything else you want to say about that or the editing of the movie or anything of those natures. *01:04:35* This this movie on the editing front, going back to kind of what we talked about before, there is a lot more *01:04:40* There is a lot more visual flair to this movie, and they are trying to- I feel like that's being done to separate it from the core fast movies and make it more visually distinct in some ways with all the different *01:04:47* uh title cards they're throwing up and stuff or like the transitions whenever they're going to different parts of the world and things like that or even like we mentioned before the *01:04:59* Mick Jagger ploying them splashing that up on the screen. *01:05:07* Like there are things like that that I feel like are done to try to make it feel more unique, but it doesn't feel *01:05:11* Um doesn't feel needed, I guess. *01:05:18* It's just kind of there. *01:05:21* Like they're doing it for the s heck of it. *01:05:23* Yeah. *01:05:26* Yeah, there's real no real other purpose to it. *01:05:26* It doesn't feel like it's *01:05:28* a soul creative vision or whatever. *01:05:30* This was just some stuff they didn't post for the heck of it. *01:05:33* Um so yeah I didn't know if you had anything to say about that. *01:05:36* And I do have some stuff to say about the music though. *01:05:39* I do too. *01:05:42* More so than a lot of other previous films. *01:05:43* Uh my God *01:05:47* This movie so I think our complaint with Fate of the Furious was like, oh, there's like no great license tracks in this, which is kind of weird because Fast and Furious franchise has always been synonymous with having these licensed tracks that appear in the movie and *01:05:50* Uh songs that are tied to the movie itself, like in Too Fast, Too Furious. *01:06:03* And this movie has that in spades, but oh my goodness, it goes way overboard. *01:06:07* Like this is like *01:06:13* The suicide squad of fast movies where they are, I think within the opening five to ten minutes of the movie, there are three licensed tracks played. *01:06:14* It is n like I was keeping I was keeping track of it like that as I was watching. *01:06:25* And because it starts off with time in a bottle and it's a very bad cover, and then it ends with that, and then there is a uh *01:06:30* The tit like when the when the title of the movie plays, there's a song by Logic that is shown, and then there's a there's another uh song that plays *01:06:37* during the opening scene with Idris and uh Hattie. *01:06:46* I'm like, my g like there's there's license track after license track after license track and it is *01:06:50* Too much. *01:06:56* Like we we can dial it back just a bit. *01:06:56* I like the licensed music in these movies, but there is a point where it becomes tacky if you do it too much. *01:06:59* I don't know if I recognized a single song, but I'm not surprised by this. *01:07:06* The one thing though about the music that I did know and recognize Okay. *01:07:11* You're probably gonna bring up the same thing I was about to bring up. *01:07:16* There's a scene with Idris Elba on screen and the song is playing and Idris Elba is singing in the song. *01:07:18* He raps, I think, on multiple songs. *01:07:24* He's in two songs according to the soundtrack. *01:07:26* He's rapping over scenes with himself in it *01:07:28* And that feels like a the meta level there is too much for my brain to handle. *01:07:32* Yes, it's almost kind of like the *01:07:38* Black Panther soundtrack where the Black Panther soundtrack, but that's by Kendrick and he's rapping about it feels like the cameo you mentioned in Furious Seven where the rock is watching the rock. *01:07:41* This feels like Idris listening to not that the characters hear the licensed track, but it's like Idris over Idris. *01:07:52* We get it. *01:07:59* Idris I mean clearly can rap and he's got a background in hip hop music and stuff and so he's very radio, the whole thing. *01:08:00* Yeah, so it it makes sense for him to be involved with the soundtrack, but I did did you pick up on it in the moment because *01:08:07* As I was listening to it, I was like, that sounds exactly like Intercel Buzz. *01:08:14* Let me check the soundtrack. *01:08:18* And then I go and I check, and then lo and behold, there he is on the *01:08:19* on one of the songs. *01:08:24* And yeah, it's the song that plays, I think, during the London Chase, if I'm correct. *01:08:25* And then there's another song in the in credits as well that he is featured on. *01:08:29* Uh and I think he's the lead *01:08:34* vocalist on both tracks or the lead rapper. *01:08:37* And there's some there's some other features on both of those songs. *01:08:40* Uh but he is the *01:08:43* Main one raping. *01:08:46* Yeah, it's it's very that was uh definitely my favorite thing about the soundtrack. *01:08:47* Other than that, everything was *01:08:52* A little too much? *01:08:54* The logic song was fine to see. *01:08:56* I think that was from Young Sinatra 4. *01:08:58* I can't remember the name of the song. *01:09:01* That's one you haven't listened to. *01:09:02* You only know *01:09:04* The incredible true story. *01:09:06* You can get there, maybe, if you keep listening. *01:09:08* But yeah, I I I like that Idris was *01:09:12* featured. *01:09:16* I I it it it was a little too meta, but somehow it worked at the same time. *01:09:17* So I'm not complaining. *01:09:23* It's like having ludicrous rap on a track in one of the previous movies. *01:09:25* Yes, it felt very much in that same vein, and that's why I was *01:09:30* cool with it at the end of the day because it seemed it seemed kind of it seemed like what the series has been known for dating back to the dating back to its insect its inception where you have *01:09:35* people that are in the movie also rapping on the soundtrack. *01:09:47* Let's talk best car. *01:09:50* We've been doing this all season. *01:09:52* And I don't I was gonna say this is a very bizarre one to do because uh cars are kind of *01:09:54* Out of the picture for the most part in this movie. *01:10:01* Uh can I pick Hobbs's motorcycle at the start of the movie? *01:10:05* I was gonna say my favorite was uh *01:10:09* was Idris's motorcycle, but I know you hated that. *01:10:13* I just don't like the CG of it. *01:10:17* Like the whole thing. *01:10:18* I don't like the CG of it. *01:10:19* I do like, I will say, I like Idris's character being on a motorcycle and I think he looks cool. *01:10:20* I just don't like a motorcycle that can do parkour. *01:10:26* Yeah, I kind of was okay with it, even though it was silly. *01:10:30* It's a whole lot of fine. *01:10:36* Um *01:10:37* There's probably a cool car in that shot of the shop that I talked about earlier, but it's not really on this page of this uh the fan wiki that we're looking at. *01:10:39* Yes. *01:10:50* So there's probably a cool car there. *01:10:51* Um apparently there's a Jeep Gladiator in the movie that they're leaning up against for a hot minute. *01:10:53* I like Jeep Gladiators. *01:10:57* I wouldn't say that's my favorite car in the movie. *01:10:58* The default, I think, is the car that's on the poster. *01:11:02* It's shown off in the trailer. *01:11:04* It's the one in the London chase. *01:11:06* It's the McLaren because Shaw always drives a McLaren. *01:11:07* It's the cover art for this episode. *01:11:10* You know, I it feels like it's the most iconic car of the bunch. *01:11:12* The McLaren is the obviously the easy one to choose here. *01:11:17* It's the standout one of the bunch. *01:11:20* I don't know what the little buggy is that *01:11:22* Shaw's driving at the end that has a flamethrower attached to the side of it. *01:11:25* That was pretty cool. *01:11:28* Um But that was just cool because it had a flamethrower attached to the side of it rather than the car itself being cool. *01:11:30* Yeah, the McLaren is the if we're truly choosing a best actual car, then I think it has to be the McLaren for sure. *01:11:36* That's what I would *01:11:43* Go with in this instance, but there's not many options. *01:11:45* There's not the pick-ins are very slim, so *01:11:49* Hmm. *01:11:53* As I'm I'm sitting here with our notes and links and stuff. *01:11:54* The end of the casting section of the Wikipedia, listen to this sentence. *01:11:58* The Etian director, a role Keanu Reeves was in negotiations for, does not physically appear in the film, but is also voiced by Reynolds. *01:12:02* under the pseudonym champ Nightingale. *01:12:11* So that's probably where I thought it's Ryan Reynolds. *01:12:14* There's actually one moment toward the end where you can clearly hear Reynolds like inflection coming through. *01:12:17* So that's probably why I thought it. *01:12:22* Interesting, Keanu Reeves was in negotiations to be the villain of this film. *01:12:24* Hmm. *01:12:28* I feel like I wouldn't want him in this series. *01:12:29* Please stay aware. *01:12:32* I especially would not want him in the spin-off franchise. *01:12:33* If they're gonna put Keanu in it, do a do a mainline. *01:12:35* Yeah, you you can't put Keanu in. *01:12:39* Keanu would be a really fun villain *01:12:41* I don't feel like he's played a fun bad guy. *01:12:45* Has he played a villain in anything prominent? *01:12:50* I'm sure he's got a fleshed out. *01:12:55* I'm sure he has too, but I just guy at some point. *01:12:57* I just can't think of anything off the top of my head, I guess. *01:12:59* I'm only thinking of John Wick and The Matrix and Lake House at the moment, so *01:13:02* And uh what's the one where he's a surfer point break? *01:13:06* Point break, yeah. *01:13:09* Yeah. *01:13:10* And speed, and he's always the action hero. *01:13:11* I I can't think of many instances where he's been the villain. *01:13:14* Constantine. *01:13:17* There's gotta be something where he's playing. *01:13:18* Some bad guy of some sort. *01:13:20* His his filmography is quite extensive. *01:13:21* Okay. *01:13:25* Legacy. *01:13:26* What is this film's legacy? *01:13:27* It's the first spin-off of the Fast and Furious franchise. *01:13:31* And that's about it? *01:13:36* Yeah, kinda. *01:13:37* Yeah. *01:13:40* I mean there's really not a lot else to say. *01:13:41* I I agree with you. *01:13:43* This is the spin-off. *01:13:44* I would say this film's legacy is also uh this is the film where Hobbes died and was replaced by The Rock. *01:13:46* That really is the thing that stands out to me the most, is that Hobbes is dead and we are left here with Dwayne The Rock Johnson. *01:13:52* Here lies Luke Hobbs. *01:13:59* Yes. *01:14:02* I I really *01:14:03* Have not enjoyed and and maybe this is something that dawned on people more slowly over time, you know, if you have been watching these movies as they've hit *01:14:05* theaters, uh i I mean maybe you can speak to this. *01:14:14* You have been somebody who has obviously watched all these movies as they've appeared in theaters, and I have not, so I have seen a very quick transition. *01:14:17* of Hobbes into just Dwayne Johnson over the past couple weeks as we have been watching these. *01:14:25* Has it become that apparent as you have watched all of these movies over the past decade? *01:14:31* Yeah, because Hobbes' role has been reduced since five. *01:14:37* He was in six for a bit, he's in seven for two scenes, he plays a bit more of a role in eight. *01:14:44* Like he was gradually coming down, and so the few moments that he's in those following movies. *01:14:50* He's amped up, right? *01:14:56* And then by the time you get by the time you get to Fate of the Furious with which we've dubbed Hobbs and Shaw point five *01:14:57* He's essentially transformed by then, right? *01:15:05* By that prison scene. *01:15:07* And so he's completely different. *01:15:09* Now, watching them so close together now with you, because this is the second time I've seen Hobbes and Shaw. *01:15:11* Hobbes and Shaw is a one and done kind of thing. *01:15:16* It's so apparent, right? *01:15:20* It's Yeah. *01:15:22* It's not the same person at all. *01:15:27* Uh but it was apparent in the theaters, you know, as you go through. *01:15:29* It's just *01:15:32* his the prominence of his role in the following films was what led to that. *01:15:34* Yeah, I guess my question was just if whether or not it was as as jarring. *01:15:40* watching these all and it's more jarring watching them back to back to back. *01:15:44* Sequentially like this like me doing. *01:15:48* Yeah. *01:15:50* Yeah, because that's been uh *01:15:50* Yeah, that's been very telling to me throughout this throughout this sprawling rewatch. *01:15:52* Um I don't know. *01:15:56* Maybe Luke Hobbs will return one day and *01:15:58* Two Hobbes, too Shaw. *01:16:00* Maybe the Rock will realize he needs to stop playing The Rock and he needs to start playing characters again. *01:16:02* I I I I'll say this. *01:16:08* This movie has made me *01:16:09* want to go see black Adam very badly because I want to see how he is in Black Adam. *01:16:11* Uh because I have not seen a rock film, a recent rock film in quite some time. *01:16:17* Like I'm trying to think of the last major thing he was in that was not I saw Jungle Cruise. *01:16:24* I did not see that. *01:16:29* I like him in Jungle Cruise. *01:16:30* He's not the rock in that. *01:16:32* Okay. *01:16:34* See, I I think the rock is not. *01:16:34* Jumanji. *01:16:36* Jumanji too. *01:16:37* He's the rock. *01:16:38* I never saw those. *01:16:40* Um I'm surprised Jack Black didn't show up in Hobbes and Shaw, really, quite honestly. *01:16:41* Yeah. *01:16:46* That's true. *01:16:46* They're saving him for two Hobbs, two Shaw, apparently. *01:16:47* You better believe he'll be in it. *01:16:50* Yeah, I I think *01:16:52* I mean this has been the through line talking point of this whole episode is just everything associated with The Rock and Hobbs. *01:16:54* And I I think I like The Rock. *01:17:00* I like him as an actor. *01:17:02* And I think *01:17:03* What makes me disappointed is I think he does have some decent range as an actor too. *01:17:04* Not a ton, but there are other movies I've seen where I don't really think of him as the rock, and I just wish he would go back to that rather than *01:17:09* Essentially playing himself. *01:17:17* Like honestly, like with how he is in this movie, I am 1000% expecting Hobbs and Shaw 2 for him to *01:17:19* unironically promote Zoa energy in Paramana Tequila. *01:17:26* Like that is the path that we are on. *01:17:30* And they'll probably be like, what's up Deckard? *01:17:32* I'm in the Iron Paradise this morning, clanging and bangin' brother. *01:17:35* What's up? *01:17:38* And it's like, oh my gosh, this is like there is no separation. *01:17:39* I like how your impersonation of him is is Macho Man Randy Savage. *01:17:42* The way you see brother and stuff. *01:17:47* Yeah, I mean that's what exactly how he is on social media. *01:17:50* I'm here in the Iron Paradise this morning, 5 a. *01:17:52* m. *01:17:54* clanging and bangin'. *01:17:55* I got my Zoa energy to *01:17:57* keep me jacked up. *01:17:57* Our Terramon and Tequila sales are through the roof. *01:17:58* Thanks to all the fans for seeing Black Adam. *01:18:01* It's got a 90% audience score. *01:18:03* But like *01:18:05* I do wonder though, like the power dynamic of the DC universe has shifted. *01:18:07* The hierarchy of the DC universe has been. *01:18:11* Yes. *01:18:15* I do wonder though, broadly, I mean in *01:18:16* the the Rotten Tomatoes impression kind of reflects this. *01:18:19* I I do wonder though if people just in a general sense do like him playing himself. *01:18:23* And that's why they like to go see these movies. *01:18:27* Because Black Adam has like a 90% audience positivity rate as well. *01:18:29* And again, I have not seen that, so I don't know if he's actually *01:18:34* Plain black ad of like a character in that movie or if he really is just the rockin' spandex. *01:18:37* But maybe people like that *01:18:44* Maybe people like that the guy they see on social media all the time is the same guy that is on the big screen. *01:18:45* But I find it really strange. *01:18:50* And I think that does it for Fast and Furious Presents, Hobbes and Shaw. *01:18:52* Should get the full title in there. *01:18:57* Thank you so much for listening. *01:18:58* If you'd like to find out more about Chapter Selecting, you can head over to chapterselect. *01:18:59* com or follow the show at Chapter Select. *01:19:03* You can follow Logan on Twitter at Moreman12 in his writing over at comic book. *01:19:05* You can follow me on Twitter at maxroberts143 and my writing over at maxfrequency. *01:19:10* net. *01:19:16* And until next time, adios. *01:19:17* Chapter Select is a max frequency production. *01:19:19* This episode was researched, produced, and edited by me, Max Roberts. *01:19:23* Season 4 is hosted 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