# [[MFP48 - "Too Old and Played Too Much" with Marc "Try4ce" Duddleson and Coury Carlson]] Transcript This transcription was completed on March 4, 2026 with the application MacWhisper on macOS. This was done automatically, without human input during the transcription process. The transcription used the Parakeet v3 model. My hope is that by offering this transcription – however accurate it may be done by a machine learning/AI – will help you, the listener. I’d love to offer full, proper transcription some day, but that is not feasible at this time. Thank you for listening and reading. I hope you enjoy the show and that this document was helpful. Enjoy. --- Hello everybody and welcome to the Max Frequency Podcast. *00:00* I am your host, Max Roberts, and I have the honor and privilege of being joined, but not by one, by two people for the first time in the show's history. *00:03* I have *00:10* My Life in Gaming. *00:11* This is the totality of My Life in Gaming. *00:12* There's Mark, Triforce Dettleson, and Corey Carlson. *00:15* Hey guys, how's it going? *00:18* Hi. *00:20* Doing great. *00:21* This is This is this is the first time you've had two people on? *00:23* On this show, yeah. *00:26* I so I've done other shows with like three or four people or or what have you, but on this one, it's always been *00:27* just uh me and someone else. *00:33* But when I was thinking about the Switch 2 launch, I was I was like, I want to talk to Try. *00:35* I want to talk to Corey. *00:41* I should just talk to them both at the same time. *00:42* Yeah. *00:47* Well, you know that time we we talked about the *00:48* Yeah, that time we talked about the Nintendo Direct uh at some point last year was was so fun. *00:51* So back to talk more Switch, but this time Switch 2 primarily. *00:56* Switch two. *01:02* That's right. *01:03* So yeah, try you were on the show last time in uh July. *01:03* July of uh or was the June direct. *01:08* Yeah. *01:11* That was in the episode published. *01:11* So yeah, it's been a year. *01:12* And then Corey was on the show back in October of twenty-three. *01:14* That's when he said his uh your tour video was almost done, and then it came out a year later. *01:17* Yes. *01:23* And now it's been almost a year since it came out, which is funny. *01:24* It is I loved watching that video. *01:28* It was so good. *01:30* Worth the wait. *01:30* Worth the wait. *01:31* So it's been fun. *01:33* You guys have been on the show before, and we're here to talk. *01:34* Switch too because Nintendo console generation or launches only come around apparently every uh Well, I guess it depends if it's a failure or not. *01:37* But it's a successful console every seven to eight years. *01:45* Yep. *01:49* Yep. *01:49* And so it came out last week and I just wanted to go through the whole thing with you guys, but first, you guys put out a little *01:50* a surprise to me at least, surprise video, kind of celebrating the Switch One's life right before Switch Two. *01:57* I just wanna say I loved it. *02:04* And you got me to get a Donut Dodo or Dodo Donut, whichever one Heck yeah. *02:05* It's on it was on sale. *02:10* Uh during the Switch 2 launch, a bunch of stuff was a little bit more than a little bit. *02:12* It looked *02:22* Right up my alley. *02:23* So I want you. *02:24* It's a great great little uh digital pick up and play game that it's a great time killer. *02:26* It feel it remind I mean, obviously it reminds me of Donkey Kong. *02:33* It gives just that arcadey kind of feel. *02:36* And I just wanna it seems like good comfort food, comfort gaming. *02:38* Turn it on and play it. *02:43* How was the uh I like the way that you guys ranked it. *02:45* It was like unranked and then the top three. *02:49* Uh tries tries top three were very obvious. *02:51* Or at least the number one. *02:55* Yeah. *02:58* I mean I don't know. *02:59* People who don't hear me talk about this stuff so much might assume I would pick like the you know the Zeldas, but you know *03:00* Kirby and the Forgotten Land is it just it felt so much like a game that was made just for me and like fulfilled this like almost lifelong desire I've had for like a 3D Kirby game *03:07* that I thought I was going to have on the N64 and it just like was this like wishful f yeah it was just like this wish fulfillment of *03:19* uh that I've had just in me, you know, since I was, you know, a a tween or a teen, right? *03:28* When the N64 came out. *03:34* So uh it just, man, it just it just hit me in those those feelings and *03:35* I I just I have to because it's so for me, even if you know technically like you know something like Tears of the Kingdom is you know much more impressive *03:41* But it was just such a special moment for me personally. *03:49* Yeah. *03:53* But I did take that idea, uh, at least this it's my recollection of what Digital Foundry has done the past *03:54* one or two years, I think, when they've done their graphics of the year. *04:02* They do like a bunch of honorable mentions that they thought were interesting. *04:07* And then they un they do like the top four to ten unranked *04:10* Mm-hmm. *04:15* And I just thought, you know what, that sounds like a really like fun and kind of not too serious way to do this stuff. *04:15* Cause like, I mean, it's it's *04:22* At the end of the day, it's not really a big deal competition or anything. *04:24* We're not really pitting these games together in any like serious capacity. *04:27* So I I just thought mostly, yeah, even though we did kind of slip up *04:32* just because of the way we had written our lists in Google Docs, like it still did have like four, five, six and so on. *04:36* And we like caught ourselves like we need to stop saying like number 10, number nine, you know, because that's not what we actually mean. *04:43* Are you guys gonna do more consoles? *04:50* You talked about it a little bit. *04:51* I I think we could like maybe just pick like a uh a console that has like a a milestone anniversary and like maybe do like one or two of these a year. *04:54* I think we I think I don't think there's any harm in that. *05:03* I think it's a it's a fun exercise that that makes it not, you know, it it doesn't *05:05* It doesn't uh marry the game to the ranking as firmly as you know a lot of the more like clickbaity kinds of lists out there might do. *05:12* Uh, you know, I I I I think kind of in the wake of like Claire Obscure coming out, there was like uh an IGN best, or I think it was like top 25 RPGs of all time or something. *05:22* I think was *05:32* I didn't look at it too closely, but I I understand it was like kind of controversial. *05:33* And obviously for IGN, like that's what they want is they want people to look at and debate about it. *05:37* But like for us, like we just want to have fun. *05:42* Although admittedly, like some people *05:44* don't get the just having fun aspect and like like, you know, no matter what you say, they're just gonna say, well, this is this is why people don't take you guys seriously anymore. *05:47* They get people get upset if your list does not match exactly their list. *05:56* Mm-hmm. *06:01* It's it's a weird like entitlement thing. *06:02* And I like why can't people just like what they like and you know, live and let live, right? *06:04* Oh yeah. *06:10* I you would think it's a good idea. *06:11* I feel like maybe it's just a getting like an eight *06:15* And wisdom and chilling out kind of thing. *06:19* But as a kid, I probably would have cared way more, or like a teenager cared way more about an IGN, like, oh these are the best, or feel more passionate about it, I *06:21* suppose. *06:31* Right. *06:32* Right. *06:32* When I watch like your guys' list or read it at someone else's that I I care about or trust their opinion. *06:33* Like when Corey says cyanar wild hearts, I'm like, oh of course. *06:38* This makes perfect sense. *06:41* This is a logical thing. *06:43* I I'm not surprised at this at all. *06:44* And it and it just fits and it's cohesive. *06:46* And I like the way that you guys framed it, I think at the top. *06:48* Where you're like these were games that while they may not run the best on Switch or are exclusive to Switch, we think of them as Switch games. *06:52* And I think even *07:00* We talked about this a little bit uh try with Dragon Quest, the the 32D HD remake, and I was waffling between which platform. *07:01* Um *07:11* Uh it's just it's interesting to think about the game as tied to the console, even though it may not be. *07:12* And I think that's a really important and personal factor that makes a list like this far more resonant and *07:18* uh personal. *07:26* Like you can get you could go look up a top twenty-five Switch games list and roughly they're all gonna look the same. *07:27* The Zeldas will be in there, Odyssey will be up top, you'll you'll see an Animal Crossing. *07:34* But the only way to get a list, a My Life and Gaming list, is obviously to go. *07:38* to you guys and you have a perspective that uh no one else is gonna have well I think that it would be really boring if if it was only games that were exclusive to the system. *07:42* And then you know then and then everybody's list would be the same. *07:53* the same. *07:56* Except for, you know, we still probably put Metroid Dread in the disappointments. *07:57* By far the thing that people like in terms of a specific game that was commented on, that was by far what got the most *08:04* comments of like you you you guys just don't don't get Metroid Dread. *08:11* And it's like, no, it is a really mechanically impressive game. *08:14* Like I think the like the actual like mechanics of it are from *08:19* are are fantastic. *08:22* And it's not even really so much I mean, I think there are criticisms to level at it, but uh it it's it's it's more disappointment in myself for just not being able to feel the excitement I felt I should feel *08:23* There was recently a comment that that basically boiled down to like you guys are too old and you've played too much to think of this as as a disappointment. *08:34* They're actually *08:44* What are we supposed to do about that? *08:48* Uh you can't do anything. *08:50* Yeah. *08:55* I will say I when I started the video, normally I just watch it, you know, uh like full screen so I don't see the comment. *08:56* or anything, but obviously to get there you have to see the top comment and it was it was something along the lines of putting dread as their top disappointment is the *09:02* The craziest thing that I was like, oh no, they didn't like Metroid Dread, but I had a whole video to mentally prepare myself for that. *09:10* Yeah, well, and it wasn't that we didn't like it, it's just like *09:18* What what has the world come to or what what have we become if like something of the scale of Metroid Dread and the quality of Metroid Dread is just like, yeah, that sure was another Metroid game *09:22* Well I really like I forget which one of you said it, but you were like there's so many good Metroidvania's out. *09:33* Like we're we're we're eating we're playing so many great ones. *09:39* You know, Hollow Knight and uh *09:43* It's too much. *09:45* Yeah, it's just that everybody wants to make that kind of genre as their homage to uh Super Metroid. *09:46* And now it's there's just so many of them out there, and a lot of them are really, really good. *09:53* It's just that it's *09:58* Not quite as exciting as it used to be to get something like that. *10:00* It was like Shadow Complex came out on the Xbox 360 and that was one of the first like really big digital-only games for consoles. *10:03* And uh that that game made such a splash because the people are like, oh my gosh, it's just like Super Metroid. *10:12* And I think every other indie developer like has a tribute to Super Metroid in them somewhere that that they just *10:17* They can't resist the urge to get it out there and they've just made too many of them at this point. *10:24* Yeah. *10:29* They're I totally get it. *10:30* When you p uh oversaturated. *10:32* It can be oversaturated, especially when they generally are pretty all *10:34* pretty good. *10:38* So it's uh we'll we'll see if the if Nintendo graces us with another 2D Metroid. *10:39* during the Switch TV. *10:46* Oh, I'm I I'm sure they're already working on it. *10:47* I do you think Mercury Steam's gonna be doing it? *10:49* Probably. *10:52* I think so. *10:53* I mean I think they really proved themselves with dread. *10:54* I mean, you know, despite our, you know *10:57* disappointment. *10:59* Like I I think they made a fantastic game. *11:00* I truly do. *11:03* Um and I I think maybe going into it, like reflecting on how I felt about Dread *11:04* will hopefully prepare me to like go into the next game a little more cautiously and perhaps for me like expectations are like *11:13* half of how I feel about a game and how those expectations are either met or subverted. *11:22* I feel like if I go into like a *11:27* Pretty good game with super low expectations. *11:31* Sometimes I walk away like raving about that game more than I do like *11:34* a really good game that I went into with like slightly higher expectations and you know like *11:39* Technically, if I were just to give like a a a relatively uh objective number to uh one of the one of these games *11:48* It would probably be like, okay, this game is better, but this is the one I'm gonna rave about because it it seems like more of the underdog or the game that I didn't expect to be as good as it is. *11:59* I don't know. *12:10* Whether that's right or not, that's just how I I walk away feeling like subverted expectations uh relative to how good I thought a game was going in can can matter a ton for how I how passionate I am about it. *12:11* So the Switch 2 came out last uh as we're recording last week, which was very *12:26* Obviously exciting times. *12:32* So I thought to start it all up, we would talk about the launch itself, our experience with it. *12:33* The pre-orders were uh *12:38* Not troublesome, but difficult at the start, especially. *12:42* They were troublesome. *12:46* They were troublesome. *12:47* Troublesome. *12:48* Yeah. *12:49* Uh with the delay of when they were gonna go up to each major retailer kind of *12:50* But were they necessary? *13:00* Or yeah, were they necessary. *13:01* I don't know. *13:03* Based off I think all of our best buys, I think we may not have needed to pre-order necessarily *13:05* Um but I was just curious how everyone's launch day, pickup, deliver, what have you went. *13:10* Uh Corey, how did it go for you? *13:16* So I tried to get the Mario Kart bundle during the pre-order phase on on the uh the night of uh when I was *13:20* you know, everything was going up. *13:28* I I decided to only go for uh for Best Buy because uh we've kind of taken part in a boycott of of Target. *13:29* So I said, you know, if I can't get it from Best Buy *13:40* I'm just not gonna worry about it. *13:43* So I stood like waited in line at Best Buy, like on the website for a super long time and then eventually just timed out. *13:44* Uh did not get the Mario Kart bundle, but I was able to get *13:51* a standalone bundle. *13:56* Or not or standalone uh, you know unit. *13:58* Yeah. *14:02* Yeah, yeah. *14:02* And I thought, well, I'll just may maybe I'll get Mario Kart digitally, you know. *14:03* That day. *14:07* So when it came time to go pick it up, I was, you know, ringing out everything. *14:08* I had ordered uh a pro controller, and I thought, well, maybe I'm just gonna buy Zelda Breath of the Wild. *14:12* when I'm there. *14:18* So I did that and I was, you know, checking out at Best Buy the Monday or not the morning of uh the 5th. *14:19* So I, you know, I didn't go to a midnight lunch or anything like that. *14:27* I just had to go in the morning. *14:29* And I uh asked them just on a whims, like, hey, do you have any Mario Kart bundles for for walk-ins? *14:31* And they're like, Oh yeah, we have a whole bunch. *14:37* So I just returned my uh my standalone and just got the Mario Kart bundle then. *14:39* I'm not a huge Mario Kart fan, so I was like kind of okay not getting it. *14:43* Uh you know, I'd *14:48* You know, I I I played the first one when it came out and then I didn't really I never bought another one until uh Mario Kart Eight. *14:50* Oh well actually no I bought Mario Kart seven on the on the three DS and then Mario Kart eight. *14:58* But I I *15:03* I don't know. *15:05* I'm not particularly good at it. *15:05* It's just like a fun you know thing that to do. *15:07* And also it's fun to play with my kids and now my kids are like older, like I can kind of get them in them. *15:10* it. *15:15* So I don't know if I would be open to paying $80 for Mario Kart, but you know, $50 I can do. *15:17* you know, in the bundle. *15:25* And I decided to just not get a physical copy because I'd rather wait until uh you know, patches come out and if they release an updated cart cartridge, I'd rather just wait for that. *15:26* Uh so that's that's gonna be my motive for you know buying buying the uh physical copy later on down the road just to just to kind of hold on to. *15:37* right uh but other than that everything was pretty good I got it home got it set up and it was pretty uh it's pretty seamless uh *15:47* thing. *15:55* You know, I just put it exactly where my switch one was and I moved my switch two to a different place on my shelf and or I put my my switch one off to the side, like on a different place on the shelf. *15:55* and put my switch to like where the switch one was. *16:06* Gotcha. *16:08* And it's just basically swapping it out as easy. *16:09* Did you say that you bought Breath of the Wild? *16:12* Yes, I did buy Breath of the Wild. *16:15* Mainly because you know I really, really loved loved it on the on the Switch. *16:17* And I felt like, oh, you know, I got the Switch version at launch. *16:22* And now at the very least this one's going to have an updated card like a patched version of the game. *16:26* Because you can take those switch two cards and you can you can put this one in switch one and it will play on the switch one. *16:33* One also. *16:38* Oh really? *16:39* So it has both versions on it. *16:40* Yes. *16:41* Is it a red cartridge? *16:42* Yeah. *16:44* Yeah. *16:45* Okay. *16:45* Th there is a weird thing though about dual switch cartridges. *16:46* I don't know if you want me to talk about it now or or or later. *16:50* Yeah, I'd be like, yeah, no, what is it? *16:53* What's up? *16:55* Well, so I I don't fully understand the detail. *16:55* So I I ended up like kind of very last minute deciding to order the new Rune Factory game. *16:57* Uh Rune Factory Guardians of Azima. *17:03* Um, which mostly because it's complete on the cartridge. *17:06* Um, and Marvelous has been saying, like, hey, we think for the people who play our games, we think, you know, putting real games on the card is *17:10* The right move. *17:19* We don't want to do game key cards. *17:20* Um, and so like similar to the reason I got Cyberpunk at launch, um *17:22* I just I wanted to support like complete game on cartridge. *17:27* However, uh because of some weird situation that I I do not really understand. *17:31* I've read about I'm like, this doesn't make any sense, but it's it has specifically to do with these carts that will work if you put it in switch two and will work if you put them in switch one. *17:38* Um *17:48* Something about those cards, if there is a patch, my understanding, I could be a little fuzzy on this, but if there is a patch, which there was with Rune Factory, there probably isn't with Zelda, but there is with Rune Factory. *17:49* For some reason it has to just download the whole game. *18:01* Now that data is that data is on the cartridge. *18:04* Like you can play it without downloading the patch initially. *18:07* And it's the Switch 2 version. *18:11* As far as I know, it's totally fine, but there's some kind of minor day one patch. *18:13* I don't know exactly what it does. *18:18* But because of that, and because it's one of these dual carts. *18:20* it has there's like it it eats up 12 gigs on my switch too for some reason. *18:22* So it is a it is a true physical, but it's I'm not getting the benefit of *18:29* keeping that data from eating up internal storage. *18:34* It's almost like an old school cartridge where you can patch it. *18:38* Yeah, it's it's weird. *18:44* I don't fully understand the details. *18:47* It's just an inconvenience, but uh yeah, it's it's a little odd. *18:49* But you know, on the other hand, I also got Cyberpunk, which uh only has like a, you know, like a, I don't know, maybe a two and a half gig patch. *18:54* But of course, that's not a dual cart. *19:01* It's switch two only. *19:02* Right. *19:04* I was I'm thinking about Breath of the Wild physically for Switch 2 because I don't I have it digitally. *19:05* I don't have it physically. *19:11* So I was thinking about it. *19:13* And it's it's in uh that actually is kind of encouraging to hear that you can I didn't know you could put it in a switch one and play the switch one version of it. *19:14* That's kind of cool. *19:21* Yeah, yeah. *19:22* I do wish *19:23* That they did have the well I guess the DLC's probably on there. *19:24* You just have to pay to unlock it. *19:28* I guess. *19:30* Well it did have to download something, I'm assuming it downloaded the DLC. *19:30* Okay. *19:34* Uh I I didn't I I mean I can't it's over there I could look to see how how big the download was, but I don't think it was it was very much. *19:35* Yeah, I can't imagine. *19:44* It's just nice to have that updated version, even you know, the Switch One version. *19:45* Just, you know, for the future, right? *19:49* It doesn't have the DLC though, which I've never bought. *19:51* I I *19:54* I don't know if I even have that much interest in it. *19:55* So I I I don't think that's too much of a deterrent for me from buying that cartridge eventually. *19:56* It's just that it's expensive. *20:01* And but but as a as a physical collector, I do want to have it eventually, but I I gotta spread these purchases out, you know? *20:03* Yeah. *20:11* Oh yeah. *20:11* No, I get it. *20:12* I uh the the motorcycle didn't entice you, track? *20:13* You didn't want to ride around high rule on a motorcycle? *20:16* Oh I don't I honestly I didn't even know about that. *20:18* I *20:21* Not maybe I don't want it now. *20:21* No, it's it's pretty cool. *20:24* But the thing is, and w you know, I bought the DLC at one point, uh, but it was just it was a decent *20:25* time after uh I had last played it. *20:32* And there's a lot of controls in that game and it and even going back to it now, it's like how the heck do I even play this? *20:35* I'm like so bad at it. *20:40* I'm the same it just it takes it there's *20:41* There's it's just like uh there's like a huge like re-acclamation uh process of getting back into those games, I think. *20:44* Yeah. *20:51* So so if you if you have the DLC *20:51* Does that work with the Switch 2? *20:56* I assume that works with the Switch 2 version, even though it's not included with it. *20:58* Yeah, you gotta load that virtual m uh *21:02* Got oh card onto the system now. *21:04* The DLC version memory card. *21:08* Yes. *21:10* Hmm *21:12* Something that has been interesting to me though about those kinds of updates is there's no like, okay, we have to like convert your data. *21:13* to the Switch two version. *21:21* Like it just you're saying just there. *21:22* That was cool. *21:24* Yeah. *21:25* That was cool to see because I did boot up Breath of the Wild and all my stuff was there. *21:26* I didn't do anything. *21:29* Yeah, although I don't know if like suddenly if you were to then try to use that data on your Switch 1, could you I haven't tried anything like that yet myself. *21:30* That'll be good, something good to know because I'm in the I'm 40 hours into Tears of the Kingdom. *21:41* I'm playing it in very like concentrated chunks, but then months between. *21:46* So *21:50* But obviously now, like the next time I boot up Tears of the Kingdom, I want to play the Switch 2 version. *21:51* But I'm curious if that will let me retroactively go back to Switch 1 should I ever *21:58* Should I ever want a lower frame rate? *22:03* I don't know. *22:05* Well, but and also on Switch 2 you can uh map that uh dash button to the to the grip button *22:06* Oh, true. *22:12* On the pro controller. *22:13* So it's uh that that's very enticing, I should say. *22:15* Don't don't have to claw to do camera plus dashing. *22:18* That's a very good point. *22:27* I did pay for the upgrade for uh for Tears of the Kingdom just uh you know, ten dollars is okay. *22:30* Which you know I kinda regret now because I ended up getting the uh the expansion pass. *22:35* Oh so you did get expansion pass? *22:40* Okay. *22:41* Well *22:42* I did I I didn't find out until afterward, after the system was even out that you could have up to eight people on a family plan for it. *22:43* And I was like, oh, well I got four people, you know, three of which is like *22:50* you know, myself and my two kids and one other person. *22:54* It's like I could get four other people, talk four other friends into it, and then we all just paid ten bucks a year. *22:57* for sure yeah yeah so I ended up doing that and getting them on the on my plan and I was it was just it was a no brainer at that point. *23:02* Yeah I pay for *23:10* Myself, my wife, and then my sister-in-law, she has a Switch one and she loves all the old N64 games. *23:12* And so she just sits and plays Pokemon Stadium and and Mar *23:20* Mario Kart and stuff. *23:24* So I just throw her on the family plan and then a couple of friends wanted to be on it so they could play their games online. *23:25* I was like, yeah, you can be on there. *23:30* I pay for it anyway. *23:32* So it's uh Well what's cool though with that with that GameCube stuff and that's something that w wasn't super enticing to me, but uh you know *23:33* F-Zero GX is, I guess, always enticing to to have uh have on a system at at at any point. *23:41* And I totally forgot that that game had widescreen support. *23:48* And so does Soul Caliper too. *23:51* But you know, you enable that in-game and it just like fills up the whole Switch 2 screen and it looks gorgeous. *23:53* Yeah. *23:59* Great way to play. *24:00* Good time. *24:01* What about you, Trat? *24:02* How was your launch experience? *24:04* What'd you do? *24:05* Yeah, I got I got I guess we went off on like five tangents before we got back to uh the pickup experience. *24:06* Uh yeah, so I I did manage to get a Mario Kart bundle pre-ordered at Best Buy the night pre-orders went up. *24:14* It wasn't until about like 1. *24:21* 15 in the morning when *24:23* uh my uh queue page actually went through and I was just like oh my gosh. *24:25* Um I I had before then at some point I had managed to get a pro controller pre-order in at Walmart. *24:32* And I kind of wish I had done it at Best Buy just so I could get everything in one place, but I just I didn't I was just so scared of like for some somehow screwing something up or maybe like oh I pre-ordered the Pro Controller too late. *24:40* It wouldn't *24:53* I couldn't get day one, so I just I let it be. *24:54* I I let Walmart deliver the Pro Controller. *24:57* Um but yeah, I I ended up picking up uh the Switch 2 Mario Kart bundle. *25:00* and Cyberpunk at Best Buy at midnight. *25:06* Um I had two friends come with me, even though their Switch 2 was coming uh via Walmart, which by the way, Walmart uh packed in *25:10* Pringles and bottle a bottle of Coke, I believe to most people who uh *25:20* order pre-ordered switch two from there, which is kind of interesting. *25:28* They did they did for my brother in law. *25:32* They did not for me. *25:35* Oh, okay. *25:37* Well I was uh I was I was kind of I held on to maybe some hope I would get that with my Pro Controller, but but alas. *25:37* Alas. *25:45* It actually sounds like it was a really good experience for for the Walmart people because they lived up to their promise to have it delivered by 9 a. *25:46* m. *25:52* Uh because I think they did like all local fulfillment like from their *25:52* stores so it sounds like a very successful operation for them. *25:56* But on the Best Buy side, uh I was pretty impressed um with the pickup because you know I had my friends along and the line was my Best Buy is not particularly big. *25:59* The *26:08* The best buy that Corey picked his up at, you know, uh in uh northern Kentucky, uh I I actually went there uh uh a few months ago uh because I *26:09* I was up there uh visiting Corey at the same time that uh John Linneman from Digital Foundry was uh uh in town for his his annual family visit *26:21* And uh we were doing some game shopping in the area. *26:29* He's like, oh, I wanna I wanna go check out the Best Buy that I, you know, camped outside for PS2 at. *26:31* Uh, and it's a very nice, very nice, very large Best Buy. *26:36* And um I I don't know if Corey actually heard how many systems they have, but I imagine it was probably more than mine. *26:40* Mine had, I don't know if this was pre-orders and walk-ins or just walk-ins, but they told me they had a hundred. *26:47* Um *26:53* And the line was, I mean, again, mid-size best buy, small to mid-size best buy, the line was huge. *26:55* I was really surprised by how long the line was. *27:01* I've never seen anything like it actually. *27:04* Best buy. *27:06* Um, even when I picked up the switch one on day one, which was not a midnight launch. *27:07* Um, so yeah, the the nice thing was they were giving everyone in line a piece of paper. *27:12* I think everyone was *27:18* able to get one, uh, even though the line was, you know, a block long. *27:19* And um uh about 10 minutes till they said, okay, everyone with pre-orders, let's form a second line right at the door. *27:24* So I was the second person in the pre-order line and they let two pre-order people and two walk-in people go in. *27:33* uh at a time and so I was the third person out of the store and it was uh it was a really smooth process. *27:41* I thought it was kind of funny that you know they had this kind of setup right by the checkout of like *27:49* Extra games, extra accessories, the amiibo for I don't really understand why there was like a bunch of amiibo coming out the same day. *27:53* Switch too. *28:01* I know that they were Street Fighter amiibo. *28:01* Oh, that makes sense. *28:04* That makes a lot of sense. *28:06* Well, but there was also like Tears of the Kingdom amiibo, and I know that there was like one guy in our Discord who was like extremely concerned. *28:07* about getting you no boo who is like the the Goron Sage in Tears of the Kingdom because for some reason absolutely n everywhere had pre-orders for all of the other amiibo but just the Goron Sage. *28:14* Just for some reason, no, but it looked like he and other people who were desperate to get all the amiibo um did indeed get you Nobo. *28:28* Um but um *28:37* But yeah, I just thought it was really funny that oh here's this thing people have been worried about. *28:39* So right there. *28:42* So yeah, uh got out, dropped my friends off at home. *28:42* Like they didn't even want to come back home with me because they wanted to go to bed so that they'd be ready for you know their switch to delivery from Walmart in the morning, right? *28:45* So uh, you know, they they just want to be part of the midnight experience, right? *28:54* So I dropped them off and um I went home and *28:58* I had preemptively well actually I I I bought two accessories that I had in my possession beforehand. *29:04* One was a uh a two-pack *29:11* screen protector that I'd gotten off of Amazon, you know, just third party tempered glass screen protector with a with a with a guide *29:14* And uh about 9 p. *29:22* m. *29:24* before I went to Best Buy to pick up my system, I went to Lowe's and bought an extension cord. *29:25* Because I realized there is literally nowhere to plug this thing in where I want to put it. *29:31* I'm not ready to unplug my Switch 1. *29:36* Um there there's all the search protectors and stuff is it's just it's all occupied. *29:39* And I the only thing I could I I didn't have another power uh extension core that I could like *29:45* uh extension cord or power strip that I could like dedicate to like a permanent installation. *29:50* So I I went to Lowe's bought an extension cord and ran like it from another power uh search protector on the other side of the room *29:54* And or actually no, it was actually an extra slot in my uh my UPS search protector. *30:03* Uh so yeah, I ran that over. *30:09* So yeah, I thought that was kind of funny though. *30:11* Of all things, like very last minute, I realized I have nowhere to plug this thing in. *30:12* But anyway, so when I got home, like I I always want to like almost as soon as the the air hits this thing, as soon as I pull out, I want to get that screen protector on. *30:17* Right. *30:29* So I w you know I I had my studio lights on on my b-roll table and spit forever, you know, you they come with these little sticky uh little st stickers that you use to just dab the dirt off of it. *30:29* Yeah, yeah. *30:44* It's just you just do a you just go you just keep you just keep sticking it off and and I'm I'm very slow and meticulous about it. *30:45* Want to be so sure I do it right. *30:54* But I think doing it this at like, you know, 11 45 a. *30:56* m. *30:59* was a mistake because somehow even with like the guy *30:59* like this guided frame to stick over it somehow. *31:03* And I like checked it again afterward. *31:08* It's like exactly the right size. *31:09* So I do not know how I screwed it up. *31:11* up uh but it was like off center and so it was like kind of up on the edge of the screen I'm like oh crap so I get the other one out you know I I *31:13* Dabbed the dust again, super meticulous about it, and then there's this like gigantic piece of dust under it. *31:22* Uh so I'm like, ugh *31:28* I should not have done this, you know, this time of morning. *31:31* So whatever. *31:34* I take the system downstairs. *31:35* I I prepare to set it up. *31:36* And *31:38* Uh, it says that the day one patch is gonna take like three hours or something. *31:39* And I'm like, oh no. *31:45* And so I'm like talking about our Discord people are like, oh, it's that took 30 seconds for me. *31:46* I'm like, well, I I waited too long. *31:50* I waited, you know, I I spent too much time on the screen protectors. *31:52* Now everyone is home and trying to update at the same time. *31:55* Uh I don't know if that was actually the case though, because I I I seem to have been the only per person that really had a problem. *31:59* After maybe ten minutes it f *32:05* failed to update. *32:08* It's like, you know, try again some other time. *32:10* Well I tried again right away and yeah it took 30 seconds. *32:12* So I I don't know what was the deal with that. *32:15* that but yeah so I got you know I got Mario Kart which was you know just the code in the box I got it downloading uh I *32:17* I was just looking for something to do while that was downloading. *32:26* I put in uh Bakeru, which is uh the like uh kind of Goemon spiritual successor from Goodfeel, which is *32:28* You know, the formed by a lot of former Konami developers who worked on the old Goemon games. *32:38* It ran with an unlocked frame rate on Switch. *32:43* So it could in theory hit 60 frames per second, was almost always in the 40s. *32:46* It looked really, really juddery and unpleasant to play. *32:50* Um, so I never played past the first level, hoping it would be better on switch two. *32:54* Well, lo and behold, it's 60 frames per second on switch two. *32:59* So that was *33:01* That was my first taste of improved performance on Switch 2. *33:02* Then I did one Mario Kart tri time trial and went to bed. *33:06* Of course, you know, in my excitement, I wasn't *33:09* I fell asleep fast enough, but like I woke up earlier than I wanted, and immediately my brain is like, there's a Switch 2 I could be messing with and I couldn't fall back asleep. *33:12* So *33:20* Um yeah, Walmart had delivered my Pro Controller by that time, and later that afternoon, Amazon delivered uh Rune Factory Guardians of Asthma, which despite Amazon, you know, kind of having a feud with Nintendo right now, they don't carry the systems, they don't carry the first *33:21* the first person games, but they do carry thir uh first person games. *33:35* First party games. *33:40* Uh but they do carry third party games. *33:41* So they they have that that was delivered for me day one. *33:44* I I was not gonna get that until I read a review and then I'm like *33:46* Oh, I do have like, you know, points on my Amazon credit card that I could use to get the price pretty low, even though I feel like I shouldn't be spending more money now. *33:49* But I was like, I just want I just I want stuff for day one. *33:57* I get very excited about system launches. *34:01* I want this. *34:03* So uh yeah, that that pretty much sums up the stuff I got. *34:04* Um did not get the camera or anything, so *34:08* I did get welcome tour uh a couple days later because I I decided to stream it. *34:12* You know, I decided the way I talked myself into it was like, you know, there might be some like actual tools in this that are like *34:18* useful for like video demonstration purposes and I'm like that that was that was how I talked myself into it. *34:25* So yeah *34:31* Well I also I d didn't even think about the fact that I bought Fast Fusion when I got back. *34:33* And I did I did buy it a uh buy a two fifty six S *34:38* card as well. *34:42* I'm trying to hold out for like a good price on like a one terabyte. *34:43* I don't even know off top of my head head if the one terabytes exist yet, but I well I think that they do exist, but they're from *34:49* sketchier companies on ONN. *34:56* Oh, isn't that that's like that's like Walmart's brand, isn't it? *35:00* Yeah. *35:04* So I was just like, I'd rather just get *35:04* a reputable b brand version and also get it in store so that I know it's like it's legit. *35:06* Right, because I've gotten sketchy Samsung stuff from uh from Amazon before. *35:12* And I guess the real downfall is I can't put all of my Switch One uh digital stuff on there, but I decided that *35:16* I don't want to do that anyways. *35:23* I'm only putting stuff on there that I know 100% runs better on the on the Switch 2. *35:25* So, I mean, I I have *35:30* significantly fewer digital games than Corey does. *35:32* And I was able I you know, I have I I have everything installed um that I own. *35:35* on it right now. *35:41* And I've still got, you know, I got a little less than half free space. *35:41* Okay. *35:47* You know, that that'll probably go down as I um *35:47* Maybe pop in more Switch 1 games and download more patches and stuff, but I've done I've put in a lot. *35:51* I've put in a ton of Switch 1 games. *35:57* and patched them. *35:59* So um including all the ones that have the free updates and stuff. *36:00* And including because I did get the expansion pass a few days before launch, you know, I've got the *36:04* I've got the GameCube app installed. *36:10* I've got, you know, expansion pass includes access to updated Tears of the Kingdom and Breath of the Wild. *36:11* So, you know, I do have quite a bit of *36:17* space consuming stuff installed, including that for whatever reason 12 gig uh patch for uh rune factory. *36:20* So uh you know I I think I judged it well. *36:27* I don't see that considering I I mostly buy physical games *36:31* I don't see that size going up to that that that uh the amount of free space going down too quickly. *36:34* So I I'm gonna try to hold out for like a really meaningful I mean and ultimately maybe I don't need a one gig one. *36:44* Maybe I only need *36:50* Maybe I just need to wait for a good deal on 512 unless I I unless I find myself getting more digital games with Switch 2 than I currently anticipate. *36:51* Yeah. *37:01* I mean I just figure for now it it's good and then I mean I'm sure that I will upgrade in the future anyways. *37:02* You know, and if if there if an OLED system comes out down the road, I'll just take that and I'll get a new SD card for that one. *37:10* Hopefully it would be a bigger one. *37:16* Yeah. *37:18* I uh I think I've been able to coast off the internal storage of the Switch 2, not *37:19* Not Switch One or even the OLED. *37:23* Those have SD cards in them for sure. *37:25* I mean it's it's funny that they I I I laughed when they did the uh kind of tech breakdown in the Nintendo Direct that was like the *37:28* full reveal and they're like you know showing like the blocks like piling up like switch one has this much storage and look at all this much more storage switch two has is like uh yeah it is like *37:36* by you know, just t in terms of like the multiples of gigabytes more, it is more, but it's it's not it's not a lot. *37:51* It's it's really not a lot. *38:00* It's not a lot. *38:02* Two fifty six is not a lot. *38:03* Not these days. *38:05* Not these days. *38:06* Considering that most other consoles are coming in with like one terabyte minimum like internal storage. *38:08* Yeah. *38:14* Yeah. *38:15* I think the closest would be like *38:15* like the Series S, I think that starts at five twelve, which is still double the switch two, I think. *38:16* Yeah. *38:22* Yeah. *38:22* Well I guess. *38:23* But it but it but it's really dumb with that one because there's just no way to *38:24* You the y there's no other options besides like using the internal storage for or the proprietary back thing. *38:28* Well okay. *38:37* The Steam Deck the like lowest end model *38:39* But the OLED starts at $512. *38:45* digital games that I buy for the Switch are kind of retro-y, so they're small. *38:53* Like they're not space hungry. *38:58* Right. *39:01* Well, I was able to get one from Walmart after Target said my address was undeliverable too, which uh not true. *39:02* They've delivered to my house. *39:11* So Target failed me *39:12* And Target's always late anyways. *39:15* Yes. *39:17* I had friends with Target orders be late. *39:17* So yeah, yeah, I'm glad that didn't work out. *39:20* Uh Walmart kicked me out of line the first go-around. *39:23* So I was upset about that. *39:27* And then Best Buy, everyone knows, was late, took forever, wasn't working. *39:28* But then I saw like a tweet that said, well, if you were in line at Walmart, if you go like reload the page and click this, like you can immediately add it to your cart. *39:34* And I tried that and it worked. *39:44* I was like, oh *39:45* Dodger bullets. *39:47* And they didn't cancel your order. *39:49* I no, they didn't cancel my order. *39:51* I didn't ask support. *39:53* I saw reports that if you even chatted with support, they would cancel your order. *39:54* I was like, I don't want to *39:58* I don't know. *40:02* It's it was scary out there. *40:03* I did not believe that they would deliver by 9 a. *40:05* m. *40:07* like they promised. *40:08* Uh thoroughly impressed that they delivered by 7 a. *40:09* m. *40:12* I woke up that morning, the pro controller was already on my porch, and the the switch to came later. *40:13* Um I got a base unit, no bundle. *40:20* Um when I try because I wanted to get Mario Kart physically, because uh unlike Corey, big Mario Kart fan. *40:24* So I just I I was like, I will Nintendo you win this round. *40:31* You get the extra thirty dollars from me. *40:33* Um I'm the sucker here. *40:36* Uh but when I tried to order Mario Kart separately from Walmart, because all I did was get the console in first. *40:38* I didn't want to waste time trying to fluff up the cart with everything else. *40:44* I just wanted *40:47* to like confirm that order. *40:48* But Walmart said that they wouldn't deliver Mario Kart until like the middle of this week. *40:50* And I was like, no no no no no no week *40:54* Can't do that. *40:56* That would defeat the purpose. *40:58* So I ordered Mario Kart from Best Buy from it for in-store pickup. *40:59* And so I went with my friends to the Midnight. *41:03* They had a pre-order in-store. *41:06* So I hung out in line with everyone. *41:08* And just went in. *41:10* I told people I was there to get Mario Kart so I could just see if the cartridge tastes different. *41:11* That was all. *41:16* But their pre-orders, so our Best Buy in our area is the biggest. *41:19* kind of that I've been around in a while. *41:25* I remember going to GTA 5's midnight launch there and it was absolutely nuts. *41:27* So this one had two lines from the start, pre-orders and not. *41:32* The non-pre-orders wrapped around the building and down the end of the other strip. *41:36* So like to the restaurants. *41:40* I think the line was between two and three hundred people. *41:42* Wow. *41:45* At least from what I had heard for non-pre-orders. *41:46* And then pre-orders stretched down the other end of the strip. *41:48* I think by the time midnight rolled around, there was at least 100 people for pre-orders. *41:52* Wow. *41:57* Nothing nothing like that at my store. *41:58* Like I I think the allocation was much more toward Walk-ins. *42:00* Yeah. *42:05* It was I asked the guy when I was getting Mario Kart. *42:06* They did not give me a commemorative coin, by the way. *42:09* They were like, it's only for people with systems. *42:11* I was like, darn it. *42:13* But *42:15* He said that they had about two hundred units for walk-ins, which and I overheard employees say that a different store up in Kissimmee had even more. *42:16* And Kissimmee I think from here is maybe an hour within an hour. *42:25* I don't I don't actually know how far *42:28* But I was like, dang, that's a lot more than I thought and uh that a store would have. *42:31* But they seemed to *42:37* Everyone seemed prepared this time. *42:40* Retailers, Nintendo themselves, I it seems like a pretty healthy supply. *42:41* Um *42:46* Which I'm happy to see. *42:48* So I would say that the the uh the pre-order situation was extremely frustrating. *42:50* Uh but we couldn't have known that it would have actually been relatively easy to get a system. *42:58* Like we just couldn't have known based on past experience it's always been a bad experience, right? *43:03* Yeah. *43:08* I know, I totally agree. *43:08* So all I got was the Switch Mario Kart and the Pro Controller because I had to feel those sticks. *43:11* Had to feel how glidey those sticks were. *43:16* They're insane. *43:18* They're unbelievable. *43:20* I've never used anything like them. *43:21* Yeah. *43:23* It's sick. *43:23* I did not get a camera, but I watched the Verges video about game chat, and the two of the guys on the video said they were using this Logitech webcam. *43:25* I was like, oh, I have that in a drawer somewhere. *43:34* So I dug out my Logitech, plugged it into a dongle, and it works. *43:38* So I'm game chat ready. *43:42* Yeah, my my my Logitech C I was it *43:44* C920. *43:48* Uh that you know it's been around forever and they still sell it. *43:49* Uh yeah, well it's on loan to a friend right now who I did play game chat with. *43:52* Uh through w with them using that that Logitech camera, I I could have swore it might be in my parents' house. *44:00* Like I have like a worse Logitech. *44:07* that I I looked all over my house trying to find. *44:09* I couldn't find. *44:11* I actually tried to use um like I've got this like USB *44:12* like HDMI dongle that is like I think some computers like read it as a webcam and not like a capture card. *44:18* And I tried to see like can I like capture another console? *44:24* through this or like a external camera through this. *44:27* And I was not able to get it to work. *44:29* But I will say, you know, from playing with game chat with cameras with friends. *44:31* If they turn on their camera. *44:37* Have you have you seen seen what it does in Mario Kart? *44:38* Like it's actually really funny. *44:41* Uh it puts their face *44:43* like on the screen, right? *44:45* Like over the screen. *44:46* Yeah, it puts their face on the s it puts their face on the screen and if they get hit like by a shell or whatever, then like their face spins around and it's it's actually it's it's kind of hilarious. *44:47* And *44:58* You know, we were commenting in battle mode like the people who have the cameras on and the people who don't have the cameras on, people with the cameras are probably a disadvantage. *44:58* Because people really wanna like go after the ones with the camera so they can see them spit out. *45:07* That's true. *45:12* I didn't even think. *45:13* Does the *45:14* Do do those cameras, does it have to be plugged into the top USB-C on the system or can it be plugged into the dock? *45:15* So I only tested the top. *45:22* I assume it has to be the USB-C because I think that's like where the video protocol is going through. *45:26* But I just *45:34* Yeah, I just I would be annoyed having to have that plugged in the top, sticking out of the top all the time. *45:37* Yeah. *45:42* I already looked at angled brackets. *45:44* Like an angle break I use in my Steam Deck docs. *45:46* Well hold on though, that that Logitech though that my friends are borrowing, that's definitely just USB A. *45:50* So they *45:55* I can't imagine they plugged up that. *45:56* I plugged it into a dongle and then into the top. *45:58* Yeah. *46:00* But maybe you can ask your friend and see if they plug straight into the dock. *46:00* I feel doubtful, but you know what? *46:04* They had trouble at sometimes. *46:05* Maybe. *46:08* There were times where they're like, oh, why why is it going out for a little bit? *46:09* So maybe, maybe it favors that top USB C port. *46:12* I don't I don't actually know. *46:17* But if it does work *46:19* with the side with the dock uh ports then I I would be much more uh likely to use it. *46:20* Yeah. *46:26* Me too. *46:27* Well one accessory I for I forgot to mention is I I did get a GameCube controller. *46:27* Oh yeah, mine's mine's right behind me. *46:32* I see it. *46:34* I see it. *46:35* That's what made me think. *46:36* Like, oh yeah. *46:37* I uh so *46:38* I was really annoyed the day they the day they went up for pre-orders on Nintendo's website because there were rumors like, oh, it's gonna be uh 11 a. *46:39* m. *46:48* It's gonna be 12 uh uh PM *46:49* Uh well I waited at home f you know uh to you know past eleven, past twelve, that didn't go up. *46:52* And I'm like, well *46:59* I've you know I've got the my Nintendo store up on my phone. *47:01* I've I'm logged in. *47:06* You know, I want to go out and grab a bite of lunch. *47:07* Uh and if it go if they go up at one while I'm away from home, like I'll be fine. *47:11* Well, guess what? *47:17* They did go up at one. *47:18* And you know, I had been refreshing this page several times before then. *47:20* I was logged in. *47:24* Well, as soon as one the one o'clock refresh goes around, they logged me out for some reason. *47:26* They logged me out and I can't place I can't add it to my car. *47:33* And what by you know it was probably three minutes after by the time I figured out like what the problem was. *47:37* Had logged me out. *47:41* Well, I tried to log in and it would act like they it was successful, but then I wasn't actually logged in. *47:42* So by the time I finally got logged in. *47:51* Um I, you know, I I ha I have a queue up. *47:56* I'm in a queue on my phone. *47:59* I'm like, this mobile queue is not going to work. *48:01* Like, what's gonna happen if my screen goes off? *48:03* Yeah. *48:06* Um it's like do not refresh the page, do not leave or refresh this page. *48:06* Like I don't know what's doing if the screen goes off. *48:10* So I like you know I leave the restaurant, I I I I I uh message my local friends. *48:13* I'm like, hey *48:19* Like, can you get in the queue for the GameCube borders? *48:20* Because I I don't think this is gonna work for me. *48:23* And so I I put my phone in like my uh you know, my clamp I use for like maps navigation. *48:26* And I'm like *48:33* Every like 10 seconds I'm like tapping my phone to like make sure like the screen doesn't go off advice as I'm driving home. *48:34* But the problem was like I kept *48:41* accidentally like kind of pulling down a little bit and like I think I may have like actually refreshed the page on accident a couple times while driving home. *48:43* So I'm just like tapping it. *48:52* Just make sure it doesn't go away. *48:53* I'm like if if if that *48:54* uh controller page goes up and go off like pull over and like place my order or something. *48:56* So anyway, I get home. *49:01* It still doesn't work. *49:02* Actually I I don't think I now that I remember I didn't ask my friends until I got home because *49:04* I get home, I I bring it up on my computer browser. *49:08* I'm I'm in the queue. *49:12* I'm like, crap. *49:14* So I asked my friend, like, hey, because I knew they didn't really want a GameCube controller, you so it was fine. *49:15* for me to take their allotment. *49:22* So uh my friend got in the queue and like probably at least three minutes after I did and got through. *49:24* I'm like, please place this order. *49:32* And he did. *49:35* I you know I immediately paid him back on PayPal. *49:37* And my key wasn't going through. *49:40* So but since you know we'd settled it on all, I'd paid him back and everything. *49:42* Like we *49:46* I I just left the queue. *49:47* Well, it turns out that people were still able to order that like into the early evening, I believe. *49:48* Yeah. *49:54* Uh so th that panic wasn't necessary, but s but same thing with the systems. *49:54* It's like how how the this stuff has always been *49:59* a panic, low supply, who knows when these controllers might get restocked. *50:01* Like we just don't we don't know we didn't need to panic. *50:06* It was similar with the N64 controller. *50:11* Like the the supply was pretty low up front for the N64. *50:13* I've been thinking about yet another one actually with the analog 3D on the way. *50:17* I was thinking *50:21* I I have two of those GameCube controllers. *50:24* But that probably uh they'll probably raise a limit, I guess, in the future. *50:31* Yeah, I just they're just doing one. *50:34* I mean I didn't even hit the cue. *50:36* I just it just went right through. *50:37* I didn't even know. *50:38* That's that's crazy. *50:40* Yeah, so so yeah, that that was a a weird experience for me, but hey, I I do have the controller. *50:40* Um *50:47* Well it's interesting. *50:48* They let you remap like in the GameCube app, they let you remap controls for, you know, Joy-Cons, Pro Controller, and uh *50:50* Um GameCube controller. *50:59* I tried to do it. *51:01* I was like, hmm, some of these N60 or some of these GameCube games would probably play fine with an N64 controller. *51:02* They don't let you do that. *51:08* You can't even access the like the quick menu, like the the GameCube, like *51:11* quick menu or or whatever, you know, while you're playing a game. *51:18* You can't even access that with the N64 controller. *51:21* Like you can hit I think it's it's ZL. *51:24* You have to hit ZL. *51:26* On um uh on the GameCube controller to bring up that menu. *51:28* Well, ZL is Z on the N64 controller. *51:32* I don't bring it up. *51:37* And I try like, well, what if what if I were to use a pro controller to remap and then use the gay the N64 controller? *51:38* You know, to the you know, I remap the Pro Controller with the controls I want on N64 controller in mind. *51:47* But no, no, you you you do that remapping in N64 controller, it just it can't be changed. *51:54* Same with the GameCube controller and the N64 app, which would be a shame because, you know, I as much as I love the N64 controller, a lot of people don't. *52:00* I think a lot of people would like playing N64 games with the GameCube controller, but no, you can't remap it. *52:07* It's just them being stubborn too. *52:12* And maybe they'll change that in the future. *52:16* Maybe, because they added the full button remapping. *52:18* to the switch to like OS level. *52:21* So I'm not sure. *52:23* But not for switch online controllers. *52:24* Yeah, I was just so annoyed because I really want to use the uh the SNES controller with a lot of stuff. *52:27* I just but I hate the fact that it doesn't have a home button. *52:32* And I was hoping I'd be able to be able to, you know, uh map that to like the ZL, like the tiny little button on the top. *52:35* That would be great. *52:42* I've also been thinking about I wonder if they're gonna do a different uh set of NES controllers because these won't be able to be used with the uh *52:43* With the Switch too. *52:52* I mean yeah, you can. *52:55* I mean I've got I've got a Famicom controller right here that I I did sync to it. *52:55* It pops up, it has the Famicom controller logo and everything. *53:00* But yeah, you can't *53:03* You can't charge it, period, without switch one. *53:04* Like if you sold your controller charging dock uh for those. *53:07* But yeah, uh kind of kind of weird *53:14* Yeah they got it. *53:17* Just just change the top on it. *53:19* It's not even it's not that hard. *53:21* I mean the the Super Nintendo controller is like I I uh you know I have so many like retro styled games for *53:22* the Switch One that I I would say that this I I I might use the Super Nintendo controller as much as I use the Pro controller on the Switch 1 *53:28* Um, because I just love to use that controller for retro style games, even though it doesn't have the home button. *53:36* I mean what I just do if I need to use the home button, I just like stand up and hit the home button like on the Joy-Con on the system and that'll that'll bring it up. *53:42* So it's it's it it's weird that it it's not there, but yeah. *53:50* So the other thing for that I love about my life in gaming and it's definitely contributed *53:58* A lot of uh spending on my part is just the elaborate setups, getting everything connected. *54:04* That's the beauty of the studio tour videos and just connecting all these things to the scalars and all the fun stuff. *54:09* And so the switch to seemingly did not present a problem, but it's it's presented quite a few problems for me because not only are we trying to plug everything into one TV or multiple TVs. *54:16* but uh also trying to plug it into capture setups and recording. *54:27* And the uh the switch to has been quite troublesome for me. *54:32* I actually have not been able to reliably capture *54:36* Switch to your own. *54:39* Right. *54:40* I saw this on your blog. *54:40* You're talking about it. *54:41* It is with the with the Elgato, right? *54:42* Like it does it's not working well with your Elgato. *54:44* Right. *54:46* So I have uh three Elgato cards. *54:47* of different variety of things. *54:50* So I've got their standalone card, which is I would think of I think of it as akin to your Ninja Atmos 5 or or whatever you guys have, just without a screen. *54:52* So I've got that at kind of the end of my chain. *55:01* I have a HD60X. *55:04* That's the one that basically caps recording at uh 1080, but it passes through 4K60. *55:06* So I do the the twisted thing of that card goes into the standalone card. *55:12* card. *55:18* So I can get to my computer if I need to, but use the standalone card to offload the recording workload. *55:19* After updating the switch to, it wasn't showing up in the chain on the the standalone card, which is behind me here. *55:26* And after some troubleshooting, it basically was clearly uh if I turn HDR off, I can capture 4K60. *55:34* And if I want HDR, I'm I'm limited to 1080p because *55:41* Apparently on LG televisions at least, I'm not able to get 1440p, it seems. *55:46* So what what model do you have? *55:52* I have a C1. *55:54* Same as me. *55:56* Okay, so that should work. *55:57* So hold on, hold hold on, hold on. *55:59* I've I I've figured out I've sort of figured this out through some discussions with someone in the MLIG Discord. *56:01* Um *56:09* Uh this was actually one of the one of the things that pushed me over the edge to get welcome tour because so I've got Cyberpunk, which has the 40 FPS mode, which means that it needs to boot in a 120Hz mode to use 40 FPS. *56:10* Which, you know, as we all know, the switch to unfortunately cannot just do 4K 120 output. *56:23* It has to be 10 AP 120 or 1440p 120. *56:31* Well, Cyberpunk boots in 1080p 120 instead of 1440p 120. *56:34* I'm like, okay, well, whatever, really, because *56:40* I don't think, especially for Cyberpunk, I think you're not going to get really a quality advantage at 1440p because it's it's not a particularly high-resolution game on the system anyway. *56:43* Um, but I saw someone with a, I believe a CX say show like, oh hey, I'm, you know, it's interesting to see it goes to 1440 P120 when you do the frame rate mini-game and welcome tour. *56:54* I'm like, oh, does maybe the game like is cyberpunk telling the system or the TV like, okay, we're doing 1080p 120. *57:09* We this game doesn't support 4040p 120. *57:17* just 1080p 120 and maybe welcome tour would boot up in 1440p120. *57:20* Well welcome tour also boots up in 1080p 120 for me when it does the framerate minigame. *57:26* So uh what I figured out was if I connect directly to the TV *57:31* It does do 1440p 120 and a uh apparently according to this person I was talking to, the E did on LG OLEDs. *57:38* uh say that they are compatible with 1440p 120, but they don't have an edid that says they can do 1440p 60, even though they absolutely can, because I've done that with Mr. *57:47* I've done that with *58:00* all kinds of HDMI mods for other consoles. *58:01* Right. *58:05* And so you know it does, but it's just not in the EDID. *58:06* So that's why PS5 and uh *58:11* Switch 2 think that they can't do 1440p and Y it's great on the menu. *58:14* Whereas on Xbox Series X, like it just they don't stop you from trying and it works. *58:19* You know? *58:25* But PS5 and Switch 2, they're like, oh wait, no, no, no, no, no, no. *58:27* We we we know best. *58:30* You know, let us help you here to trouble. *58:32* I can I could set it to that. *58:36* That definitely shows. *58:38* You can set it to 1440 you can set fourteen fortyp on your PS5, really? *58:39* I'm like 95% sure. *58:43* I could test it. *58:45* Because it like it it shows up, but it's like it does like a test. *58:46* And then it's like, oh, nope, can't do it. *58:49* Not that on PS5, if you're successfully getting 4K120 out of the PS5, there's *58:51* Not really a compelling reason to do 4040 unless it opens up access for a capture card, perhaps. *58:56* Right. *59:03* Yeah. *59:03* Um, so yeah, it's it's it it has *59:04* been weird for video output and capture stuff. *59:09* Well basically the the the conclusion of my story is it's almost certainly the A V receiver. *59:13* A V receivers *59:17* aren't really focused on 1440p because they're thinking they're in like, you know, a living room setup or something. *59:18* Like 1440p is so tied to computers and stuff like that. *59:23* So uh I I think even though it goes through, like I think it's just not in the ed. *59:27* for some reason. *59:33* So um but I think in general I have after figuring out some of the quirks, I have had more success. *59:34* with uh switch to then core. *59:44* The biggest problem I've had, and I think I solved this last night, uh, this HDMI 2. *59:48* 1 switcher that I use. *59:53* I I for a while I've been having a problem on it where every time I use the Xbox Series X, the next time I do anything on through that switcher, like the audio just doesn't work. *59:56* And I I have to unplug the switcher and plug it back. *01:00:07* Otherwise, it's a great switcher. *01:00:10* But then the audio will work. *01:00:11* Well, PS5 never did that. *01:00:13* Other things I'll put through it don't do that. *01:00:15* Well, the switch 2 does that. *01:00:16* So every day after the switch two comes out, like first thing in the morning, it's like, well, I gotta unplug the HDMI switcher and plug it back in. *01:00:17* Well, I finally figured out if I cause it's got E-DID switches on, and I was just having it do the default E-Did. *01:00:24* And I figured out that if I um uh tell it do like, you know, just just tell it to do like the flat out Ed. *01:00:30* You know, I I don't have like *01:00:39* uh 7. *01:00:40* 1 sound but I have 5. *01:00:41* 1 sound but I just like you know I just told uh you flip the unit switch it says yo for 4K 120 8k *01:00:42* Uh 7. *01:00:49* 1, all these HDR formats, you you can do you can do it all. *01:00:50* Don't worry about you can do it all. *01:00:53* Now it seems that it is not causing the audio to stop working. *01:00:55* That way, thankfully. *01:01:01* And come to think of it, I actually should retest and see if maybe now I can magically do 4K. *01:01:02* 120 or excuse me 4K 1440p 120? *01:01:09* Maybe I actually I played Cyberpunk last night, but I wasn't I wasn't paying attention to what the what resolution it was sending. *01:01:14* So I don't know, maybe, maybe, maybe *01:01:20* So maybe I should try that again. *01:01:23* Cause originally I plugged it in. *01:01:25* I have a sp the like the HDMI 2. *01:01:27* 1 end of my chain. *01:01:32* Which is really just my PS5 Pro and Xbox. *01:01:33* I have this splitter, this HDMI 2. *01:01:36* 1 splitter from MonoPrice. *01:01:38* Uh I forget what they call it, like the Black Hawk. *01:01:40* I don't know what it is. *01:01:42* Um but it has two ins and two outs and but you can set it up to just split it. *01:01:43* So I have one end go to the TV and the other end go to all the capture stuff. *01:01:48* And so I thought I'll just put this I'll put the switch two in that and that will have *01:01:52* the HDMI bandwidth for everything and I won't have to worry about anything. *01:01:57* Uh but I thought that was that seemingly was not working with the rest of the capture setup. *01:02:02* And I have the E did set to the same default, basically like allow everything through. *01:02:07* Uh but maybe if I tweak it, because I also don't have surround sound out here, maybe if I tweak it, maybe then go back to that. *01:02:12* So then my also the HDR, I was getting wonky colors, like the blood moon, like it looked like the blood moon rises just over the whole gameplay footage. *01:02:18* Like just this dark, super deep, un you can't even see anything. *01:02:26* So I switched over to the Elgato 4K X, which I bought last year on sale, because I wanted to be able to play at at 4K 120 on my TV without having to like switch cables around. *01:02:30* basically was the whole point. *01:02:44* And then I could capture if I needed. *01:02:45* Well my computer's not powerful enough for it, so that's just been sitting and collecting d it's not powerful enough to capture 4K 60. *01:02:47* So I've just been letting it sit there. *01:02:54* I'm like, well, I guess I could plug this in to just the switch and see if that solves it. *01:02:56* And that has not solved any of the problems either. *01:03:02* So I want to play with HDR on my TV. *01:03:05* But I want to be able to ca so I'm I'm in this I don't know. *01:03:08* Have you it clearly Tri's had some trouble with it. *01:03:13* Corey, have you had any trouble like capturing with the Switch 2 like me or uh so *01:03:16* The ninja, which I like to use, like just it won't see it if you're using HDR. *01:03:22* Yeah. *01:03:26* Just nothing shows up. *01:03:27* Uh and I feel like the capture uh *01:03:28* that we're seeing on our Aver Media cards. *01:03:32* Like after we figured out, you know, there's a whole other, I guess, like like a uh quote unquote hidden uh setting for the uh the uh HDR brightness *01:03:35* Yes. *01:03:46* That kind of fixes capture of HDR, but I still think it's it's kind of messy. *01:03:47* I think that *01:03:52* I d I think that it's just improperly implemented at some sort of base level and they have to fix it. *01:03:54* I think I think most HDR calibration uses three screens. *01:04:00* And then it turns out it's two screens, but I, you know, I I rechecked calibration on like my Series X as I was like trying to figure some of this stuff out. *01:04:08* And it's like that's that's three different screens that they have you do there. *01:04:16* So something is a little weird. *01:04:19* But but that that said But I think it's like something in the uh in the protocol, like in the in the settings of the video. *01:04:21* I think it's something in the signal. *01:04:26* Because when I we pull up like I think we all have LGs, right? *01:04:28* Do we all have LG televisions? *01:04:32* If you mash that green button, it tells you like what's coming in. *01:04:33* Yeah. *01:04:36* The HDR for the switch is different than everything else I've tested. *01:04:37* Yeah, well I just think that something like the um like the ninja is a professional video device, you know, for and it's like adheres to these standards very closely. *01:04:41* Yeah. *01:04:51* And the fact that, you know, the Xbox and the PS5 like work totally fine with it. *01:04:52* And then it just like *01:04:59* You know, they were ninjas just refusing to see anything at all makes me think that there's something at a base level that is just wrong *01:05:00* And hopefully they fix it. *01:05:09* There is a and I believe Switch 1 is the same way. *01:05:11* There apparently the doc is actually using like a *01:05:14* a display port to HDMI converter inside it. *01:05:17* Although although I've heard that I I don't know about other PSOM uses a I don't yeah I d I don't know if other models, but at the very least the PS5 Slim apparently does the same thing. *01:05:20* But we don't have a slim. *01:05:29* We have the launch and a *01:05:30* pro but um the so I I'm actually pretty happy now with how my captures are looking like Mario Kart is just a really bright *01:05:32* right game. *01:05:41* Like and I think y you know, you're gonna have this this problem with any you know, you're gonna have this problem still with, you know, with Xbox and with PS5. *01:05:42* You're gonna have a problem where *01:05:49* uh certain bright highlights if you're if you're capturing HDR as SDR like even if your capture card you know we use Aver Media capture cards even if they can do like reasonably good like *01:05:50* tone mapping to convert that HDR into S DR, you're still gonna lose some detail in the in the bright highlights, like no matter what. *01:06:00* Like you just can't do a per a perfect conversion of SDR to H or HDR to S DR. *01:06:06* And um *01:06:12* I I think just because Mario Kart is such a bright game, I I with the way I've got calibrated now, I have that brightness on the second screen set five clicks from the bottom. *01:06:14* That was what seemed to give me like kind of the best *01:06:23* compromise between looking right on my TV and looking good enough on my captures. *01:06:26* Like it looks in Mario Kart like most things look good except you lose a little detail in like the bright parts of the clouds. *01:06:32* If you're on like a beach or something, like it might look a little blown out, but like most everything else looks good in Mario Kart and everything is cyberpunk. *01:06:38* I think the HDR and Cyberpunk *01:06:46* looks fantastic both on my TV and then once it's converted into SDR in my captures. *01:06:48* I think I think Cyberpunk's looking really good. *01:06:53* Mario Kart might just be too bright. *01:06:55* But I do think it looks nice in HDR. *01:06:58* One thing like there were kind of two-tiered problems to what I was seeing on my TV with HDR at first, because first of all, we didn't realize that, you know, that Y button prompt was a actual secondary step and not just, you know, redoing what you just did. *01:07:01* at first uh so that was too bright and secondly i had manually set the um *01:07:15* RGB output range to limited because, you know, uh I don't use the the ninja to record as much as Corey does, but you know, limited range can make capture easier in a lot of scenarios and it doesn't actually like *01:07:24* cre cause more like color banding and stuff like people think it does. *01:07:39* It's just two standards for w where does black start and where does white start. *01:07:42* It it's it limited range is not bad. *01:07:46* It's not bad. *01:07:48* It's just what which we the important thing is having your equipment match range on, you know, the the output and on your your display device. *01:07:49* So the problem I found was if I if I manually set limited range on the switch too while while using HDR, my TV does not correctly detect the range and it's doing it as full range. *01:07:57* So that made things even brighter and more washed out. *01:08:09* Like doubly so. *01:08:12* So what I figured out was I just need to use I just uh for now I'm just using full range output from the Switch 2 and *01:08:13* And it's fine. *01:08:22* Or I could just manually set limited range on my TV, but I don't necessarily want to do that. *01:08:22* So that's something that I'm kind of working around right now. *01:08:27* But but for the most part, my my switch to capture situation is pretty stable. *01:08:30* Um but it it's it's it's been it's been quirky and it's kind of unfortunate that we've reached this point where you know *01:08:35* Yes, it's cool the switch is moving on to 4K and HDR and 120 Hertz and all that stuff, but like now it's boiling join the leagues of these other systems that are just so complicated with their settings and you have to babysit the settings all the time. *01:08:43* you know on like a game by game basis for you know does this game support this feature and if it does support 120 hertz maybe I don't want to use the 120h mode for this *01:08:56* for this game and I'll have to turn it off. *01:09:03* You know, so now with a Switch we're having to babysit the settings even more than we we used to have to because things things ain't so simple with video settings no more, unfortunately. *01:09:05* HDMI 2. *01:09:15* 1 is a *01:09:16* His uh double-edged sword. *01:09:18* I I remember when hooking up analog consoles to HD TVs was more tricky than *01:09:21* And now it feels like it's the inverse. *01:09:29* It almost it's like you said. *01:09:31* Um when does RGB masterclass for the PS5 start? *01:09:33* When does that mean? *01:09:36* I think most people don't realize the extent to which you actually do need to manage settings if you actually want like the best out of the system. *01:09:42* on a game by game basis. *01:09:49* Like you might not want the same settings for every game. *01:09:51* And I've I I've kind of been thinking about like doing like some sort of video this this *01:09:53* kind of like venting about this. *01:09:58* That's just like, okay, if I want to use this feature, if I want to use that feature, I need to do this, this, this, and that. *01:10:00* And like it's not as straightforward as you might think it is. *01:10:05* I think I think might be time for some RGB masterclass level four hundred. *01:10:10* Come up four hundred for four K. *01:10:14* Yeah. *01:10:18* Revisit. *01:10:19* Yeah, one thousand. *01:10:21* We're gonna get we're going to get in grad school. *01:10:23* Grad school here. *01:10:25* The the master's program. *01:10:27* The PhD and video signals. *01:10:29* Uh getting in all into all the stuff that we wish that we never had to. *01:10:32* Yeah. *01:10:36* It's just all all the stuff that just, you know. *01:10:38* Just gets in our way now. *01:10:40* It's not it's not even fun anyway. *01:10:42* I just want to play my Super Nintendo on my HD TV. *01:10:44* Yeah. *01:10:47* Crispy Pixels. *01:10:48* That's all I want. *01:10:49* Um so I assume you guys just like were able to plop it into the setups though. *01:10:51* We didn't besides buying an extension cord, we didn't you guys didn't have to buy anything too extensive. *01:10:56* Just plops right into the whole setup, right? *01:11:02* Pretty much. *01:11:05* I mean, I I I had, you know, for half a year, you know, I bought that that 2. *01:11:05* 1 *01:11:10* switcher that I had mentioned. *01:11:11* I I've got way too many switchers and splitters, but I, you know, I'm I'm ready for everything to, you know, be able to pass a full 4K 120 signal through. *01:11:13* And even though switch two doesn't actually need that, I *01:11:20* I didn't know that at the time, like I had reserved a spot for it on this switcher. *01:11:23* So I'm still plugging it into, you know, a fully capable switcher. *01:11:27* Maybe the switch to OLED someday will actually let you do 4K120 output. *01:11:30* But the VR please? *01:11:35* But anyway. *01:11:38* Yep, yep. *01:11:40* So I uh yeah, I *01:11:41* Plugged into that just like I planned. *01:11:44* In fact, I I ran the cable the night uh well maybe a day or two before actually. *01:11:46* I I put like a an extra like switch one dock in the place. *01:11:50* Like, okay, this is how it's going to fit in. *01:11:54* And I ran the k I I have like you can buy on Amazon from this company called Level Hike. *01:11:56* I actually kind of don't like them because they put out they put out a lot of those really bad *01:12:02* uh HDMI adapters for classic consoles like Super Nintendo and they even did some weird ones like PSP, Neo Geo, TurboGraphics. *01:12:07* They actually sent me a bunch in in to my PO box one time, which I *01:12:15* uh i i i used them exactly one time and that was to show how bad the m classic rgb series is um so yeah that is yeah sending them to me was not the right move um *01:12:19* But yeah, uh they actually sell the exact OEM cable that uh comes with Xbox Series X. *01:12:32* Um, which is awesome. *01:12:42* It's you know, it's it's a that cable has been I I found early, I like I think there's more good HDMI 2. *01:12:44* 1 cables out there now. *01:12:50* But I if you know when when HDMI 2. *01:12:52* 1 was kind of in its infancy and I was like having a lot of trouble with it because that's how new HDMI standards tend to be, like the cables just don't d aren't actually up to spec and the switchers aren't actually up to spec and stuff like that. *01:12:54* Um uh I had the best success with the with the cable that came with the Series X. *01:13:07* And when I found these on Amazon, I'm like this this is *01:13:12* the exact same cable and they're not even that expensive. *01:13:14* And they're not even that expensive. *01:13:18* No, they're not. *01:13:20* So they're just really reliable, um, you know, just good flexible cables. *01:13:20* So I I've relied on those a lot. *01:13:25* Um, so I I had a a spare one and I just went ahead and preemptively ran that for the switch too, uh, put it into that spare switch dock. *01:13:27* And I'm like, I was figuring it out like the day before, like, ooh, if I kind of turn them at this angle, I can have like the switch one and the switch two together. *01:13:35* And like, I was like, yeah, I know the dock is going to be bigger. *01:13:43* Well, when I actually got it here, I'm like, I *01:13:45* I can't actually have the switch to at this angle. *01:13:49* I want it, I thought looked nice. *01:13:52* Uh so I it's kind of weird, although I don't hate it as much as I thought I would, but for now, I haven't really done any like *01:13:54* management on my cables because I'm still not 100% sure like is this how I want to leave it but the switch OLED dock and the switch two dock are they parallel to each other but perpendicular to the wall *01:14:01* So they aren't like facing the front isn't facing you as you would normally do. *01:14:13* Yes, it's sideways. *01:14:21* It's a little weird, but I I I actually don't hate it as much as I as I I because I had considered that as a possibility. *01:14:23* I was like *01:14:31* That's gonna be weird. *01:14:32* I don't I don't know if I'll like that, but now that it's that way, I I don't hate it. *01:14:33* It's only a little weird if I uh, you know, I'm removing the Joy-Cons. *01:14:36* You know, it's *01:14:41* that's a that's a little awkward and maybe if I'm docking the system. *01:14:41* One thing I will say though for the dock, just as kind of my own personal pro tip, I did this with the OLED dock as well. *01:14:45* You know, remember when the Switch One came out, people were talking about like, oh, the dock is scratching my system. *01:14:51* Um and you could, you know, people started selling on Etsy these like covers for the dock, these cloth covers. *01:14:56* And I I've actually bought several of those over the years for this. *01:15:02* which one and um but when I got my OLED I got the Tears of the Kingdom OLED and it's just such a beautiful the dock for that thing is so beautiful and I didn't want to cover it up so what I did was I've got these *01:15:04* you know, w that I use for various purposes around the house. *01:15:16* I've just got these like rolls of like adhesive felt. *01:15:19* You know, you just cut it to length and pull it off. *01:15:23* You know, you just buy the I think it's like Scotch brand. *01:15:26* it lows or something. *01:15:29* And I just cut it to length. *01:15:30* I put it like kind of just like maybe like a quarter of an inch or so like down the front inside of the dock. *01:15:31* And that, you know, creates this soft surface for the screen to go against, but it also adds just enough thickness to keep the switch snug in there. *01:15:41* Right. *01:15:51* So that when you're wobble. *01:15:52* So that when you're working at the card slot or you're taking the Joy-Cons off or something, it's not rattling. *01:15:53* It's not like it I feel it wiggles too much. *01:15:57* And I'm so used to that now that I was really surprised when I put the *01:16:00* Switch two in the dock is like it's really wiggles and like I don't feel good about like opening up the card slot and how it's like it's it's just wiggling in there. *01:16:03* It's very loose. *01:16:12* Uh so I did the same thing. *01:16:13* I cut it to length, put it on the inside of the dock, and it's just it's s it's very snug, but it also doesn't feel like you're it's like *01:16:15* squeezing too much or anything when you're like pulling it out of the dock. *01:16:22* Like it I feel like it's just a perfect solution that keeps it keeps it stable, keeps *01:16:26* the screen further protected. *01:16:31* I did, by the way, get another pack of screen protectors. *01:16:32* And the third time was the charm. *01:16:36* Mine show up tomorrow, I think. *01:16:39* screen protector. *01:16:41* Okay, great, great. *01:16:42* So yeah, I I feel so much because especially because of all the testing I've been doing for like Switch One games and stuff like that that I want to want to include in the video I'm working on. *01:16:43* Uh I I feel so much better. *01:16:53* Like *01:16:55* swapping games out without the system like wobbling back and forth in the dock. *01:16:55* Like that that I I really like how how just it it it increases the quality of the user experience a lot, I think, to have just have it a little more snug there. *01:17:00* Pro tips with try. *01:17:10* Pro tips. *01:17:12* I think that's a good segue though. *01:17:14* Not the tips. *01:17:16* The uh *01:17:17* The Switch One games, because why would we buy this thing if not if if the game's not fun, as Reggie would say, what's the point? *01:17:18* Um Yes. *01:17:26* We've got obviously Mario Kart and Welcome Tour, as you affectionately called the official 240-piece test suite, which I thought was hilarious. *01:17:28* That was you, Corey, I think. *01:17:35* Yeah. *01:17:37* So good. *01:17:38* 2160V. *01:17:39* It seems like from initial backward compatibility testing from like modern venturch gamer. *01:17:41* Digital Foundry, you you try were on the stream with John um testing a bunch of stuff, which was fun to watch. *01:17:48* Um it seems like the backward compatibility story is pretty good, and I know that's important to all of us. *01:17:57* And then Mario Kart, welcome to us. *01:18:02* How how are you feeling, Corey, about this initial *01:18:04* kind of slate here of stuff that's out and then obviously being able to play old stuff on it and you feeling yeah good where you at? *01:18:09* Yeah I feel I feel pretty decent about it. *01:18:16* You know, I'll be curious to see if like little weird incompatibilities or like issues with how certain games run if people *01:18:18* play all the way through them. *01:18:29* I feel like that's something we're kind of doomed to uh to experience in the future because *01:18:30* These games run, but I wonder how many people have played through the whole thing or just like done like you know uh tried to break the games and stuff *01:18:37* certain ways that that would work fine on the uh on the switch one but might run into some issues with the way that the switch two is emulating them. *01:18:46* Uh and it's such a it's it's different because I feel like on the PS5 running PS4 games, everything just works great all the time. *01:18:56* You know, there's there's really been no issues. *01:19:06* Uh and you know, like they had like a very small list of incompatibilities when the system came out. *01:19:09* And then a lot of those were fixed and just and it just works. *01:19:15* So I wonder if over time these issues will be ironed out like on the firmware level, like by Nintendo, or if it's gonna be *01:19:18* You know, people have to release these patches, or if there's just like certain issues that have not come up for people yet because they're too busy playing through *01:19:26* you know, they're too busy playing Mario Kart World and stuff like that. *01:19:36* They haven't played through an entire game on the Switch too. *01:19:39* So I I think that'll be kinda interesting in the long run because I mean I don't think there's people in Nintendo playing all the way through these games. *01:19:43* to see where certain weird issues might crop up, just the way that it's emulator rendering something that, you know, maybe, maybe there's an area late in a game that is just doing something weird. *01:19:50* And *01:20:02* And you know, like at times like the frame rate would tank or something like that. *01:20:03* And like nobody has just put in the time to play to that point yet. *01:20:06* Um *01:20:11* But I think that initially, like it seems great, you know, the way that certain games run a lot better, like like Bakaroo or uh uh *01:20:13* You know, like like Bayonetta 3 running at 60 FPS is is great. *01:20:22* Uh it doesn't fix a lot of the other issues with the game, but uh I think that that's *01:20:27* That's that's it's it's great. *01:20:33* I like I'm I'm very happy to see that and it makes me more likely to maybe revisit that game in the future. *01:20:35* Um *01:20:41* The problem is saving it for Switch 2 myself. *01:20:42* But the the thing is is that yes, it runs better, but it kinda looks a little garbagey at the same time, like on the on the screen. *01:20:45* Like it just or just playing it in general. *01:20:52* Like it just like a look *01:20:55* I don't know, like like like like a bad MPEG video. *01:20:57* You know, just like at a lower resolution. *01:21:02* Just *01:21:05* So I think that'll be interesting, you know, to to uh to re-experience, but also to see if this stuff, certain things are discovered, and then maybe it puts that stuff, those games on a like *01:21:05* like not fully compatible list. *01:21:18* So it's just gonna really be up to people to test this stuff out, I think. *01:21:21* I'm curious what the speedrunning community will *01:21:25* find out. *01:21:28* Because I think they'll be the ones to find that sort of thing out. *01:21:28* Like Breath of the Wild. *01:21:31* Is it better to run the Breath of the Wild Switch 2 version or is it better to run the like the Switch 1 version on your Switch 2 or or *01:21:33* However it will work. *01:21:41* Like that or Super Mario Odyssey could be a good example because that game now runs like rock solid. *01:21:41* Is that better? *01:21:47* I don't know. *01:21:48* I think that's where we're gonna find some interest or people will find interesting things. *01:21:49* to uh what breaks a game, what's better for a game. *01:21:53* Um does this ruin the routes? *01:21:57* I don't know. *01:21:59* We'll see. *01:21:59* But I think that's gonna be a pretty *01:22:00* We'll see it at AGDQ and SGDQ soon. *01:22:02* Yeah. *01:22:05* Nintendo had, I believe, three documents. *01:22:06* I think it was uh *01:22:09* um ahead of launch and they updated a couple times leading up to launch where there was like here are games with startup issues, here are games that have compatibility issues. *01:22:10* Here are games that are planned to be fixed by or near launch. *01:22:19* And now they've kind of combined it into two lists. *01:22:24* One is these are games that are either explicitly planned to be fixed or games that have already been fixed. *01:22:26* And then here's this other list where these are games with startup issues and other issues that might affect progression. *01:22:33* And I I think some games have been added to the list since. *01:22:39* Like, for example, I wasn't actually looking for this one. *01:22:44* i uh initially because I don't have it, but you know, my my friends who you know came with me to the wall uh to the Best Buy uh midnight and got theirs from Walmart. *01:22:47* Uh a couple days later they're they're like uh they're not like interested in like tech stuff at all, really. *01:22:57* Uh so I was actually surprised they even like were like, hey, this has frame rate issues. *01:23:03* They were playing uh Switch Sports, the soccer mode. *01:23:09* And they said that when I play it online, it's like the frame rate is bad. *01:23:15* And I *01:23:21* I never noticed that never happened on Switch one. *01:23:22* I'm like, oh, I'll I'll you know I'll tell my friend John maybe that's something for them to look into. *01:23:25* And then I actually looked at looked at the compatibility list for like double checking things for myself and I saw it was there and it's it says lo and behold it's there is a note on the document that says when put they called it football in the document, but *01:23:30* uh when playing football uh online is 30 frames per second. *01:23:43* So it they they I don't know if that was added after the fact or not, but I I did I never noticed like a note like that. *01:23:47* that before. *01:23:53* So they I think they are adding and and fixing things. *01:23:53* Well two games I had that were marked as having some kind of issue are now marked as resolved are Harvest Stella and um *01:23:56* uh alien isolation. *01:24:05* Um so those are already marked as resolved. *01:24:08* I was concerned about those ahead of time. *01:24:11* We've already heard that you know a number of games are are going to be gaining other patches. *01:24:13* Um, I think a lot of issues from what I'm hearing might revolve around just the different ways that the Switch 1 and Switch 2 play video files. *01:24:18* So I think some some video files that might play like for the company logo at this uh at the start of a when you boot up a game could be responsible for a lot of things. *01:24:30* So if that could pot fixes for that could potentially um *01:24:39* fix a a wide swath of of games with issues. *01:24:44* But I actually think it's kind of cool. *01:24:48* Like I actually did not think this was a thing that any company would do in in the year 2025, but I kind of like this actually. *01:24:50* The only thing Nintendo has stopped me from booting up is is the YouTube app. *01:24:58* They're just like, oh, this you can't do this right now. *01:25:02* You know, it says explicit. *01:25:05* But you know what? *01:25:06* They let me install it because it's on my list of virtual game cards. *01:25:07* right everything you own digitally you know dlc guess what my virtual game card for YouTube Yeah exactly like it's so weird that like this I honestly this virtual game card system is like *01:25:10* Kind of confusing to be honest. *01:25:22* It's taking a little time for me to wrap my head around. *01:25:24* But yeah, they let you install it anyway. *01:25:26* I mean, guess what? *01:25:29* Like, Sony don't let you install PT no more. *01:25:30* So yeah, I I think the fact that Nintendo's just letting you put these things on your system, whether they do anything useful or not, is kind of neat. *01:25:33* Like I I've got like old Splatoon and ARMS beta tests *01:25:40* On my virtual game card list, I can install them. *01:25:47* I can boot and get to the title screen of like the Splatoon 2 test fire. *01:25:50* And like, you know, you hit RL and it's like, oh, you know. *01:25:55* the servers are down or whatever. *01:26:00* You can't of course you can't play the Splatoon. *01:26:01* That's better than Sony with Concord. *01:26:03* I can't I can't open my Concord beta. *01:26:05* Right. *01:26:08* So like I don't know. *01:26:08* Like like and also like some of these games with the compatibility issues like *01:26:09* A Dustin Elysian tail runs at like, I I mean, I don't know what the frame rate is, but it feels like like four frames a second or something. *01:26:14* It runs at a crazy low frame rate. *01:26:22* Um *01:26:25* Other games are just like literal like epilepsy triggers. *01:26:26* It's just it's just like you boot it up and it's just garbled flashing nonsense. *01:26:30* And but like it's it's kind of like the PS3 era where like they let you put in a PS2 or PS1 game. *01:26:35* you know, some of them might not work well, most of them probably work fine, but like they just let you put in what you own. *01:26:44* And like I I actually kind of have like *01:26:49* I feel like most of the time they're like so concerned with the user experience. *01:26:53* Like, oh, we don't want someone to have a bad experience. *01:26:56* We don't want something to look broken. *01:26:58* But I I *01:27:01* I I kind of respect if they they let you just do that, even if it is kind of broken. *01:27:02* Like I they let they're just letting you do what you want with your stuff, which sounds weirdly *01:27:07* Progressive for Nintendo, right? *01:27:12* Like wha that's it in in in the scheme of things though, it's just unfortunate that it's not this universal *01:27:14* Yes. *01:27:22* Like almost total replacement for the previous hardware like the PS5 was for the PS4. *01:27:22* Hopefully I'll get close though. *01:27:27* I also saw, you know, Corey linked me to a list the other day where uh uh it's kind of a document that, you know, again, it's kind of crowdsourced, so the the info might not be rock solid, but *01:27:30* Uh people were filling in like, oh, you know, this improves, this improves, that improves. *01:27:40* You know, I've, for example, not played Fire Emblem Three Houses, but I know I know someone had marked that like, oh, the load times were actually worse. *01:27:44* In Fire Fire Emblem Three Houses. *01:27:52* Um and this is something I need to go back and check on Switch 1, but when I was testing Xenoblade Chronicles 1 on Switch 2. *01:27:55* Like, first of all, the first time I booted, it was just a black screen. *01:28:05* I waited a while and I'm like, what's going on? *01:28:08* I, you know, hit the home button, I closed it, I booted again, and it booted, but the loading took four *01:28:11* Ever. *01:28:16* Just forever. *01:28:17* And you know, it's been years since I played that game, but I'd I'd have to go back and check and see if it's actually that slow loading. *01:28:18* So I wonder if like a few games. *01:28:28* Could actually have like mostly work as well or work better, but have like just little minor things. *01:28:31* But yeah, it does seem like for the most part games are improved. *01:28:39* They hit di the you know a higher dynamic resolution significantly more often, and they hit the target frame rate *01:28:43* Uh almost all the time. *01:28:51* Like I there there are instances where like I think Dragon Quest Builders to user generated content maybe like you can totally still totally take it. *01:28:52* And VG showed that off. *01:29:00* Yeah, it was like take the bat. *01:29:01* I had no idea that it was that bad. *01:29:04* I I was like, how is this even real? *01:29:06* Well but I think the the thing is I I've not actually I've played Builders One but not two. *01:29:11* My understanding though is that like doing the normal things you would do over the course of like *01:29:15* playing through the campaign of that game, you're not actually going to run into anything like that. *01:29:21* Right. *01:29:26* It's the it's always the player who pushes it. *01:29:26* Pushes it too hard. *01:29:29* The most important thing is is that uh Link's Awakening and Echoes of Wisdom. *01:29:30* are fixed. *01:29:34* Let's just be real. *01:29:35* Like that does. *01:29:36* Yeah, so I'm I'm I'm well so I I boo it it's weird because like in on on Wednesday, you know, when I think the systems were s starting to become available to people in Japan and Australia and stuff like that. *01:29:37* There were early reports that's like, oh yeah, Echoes of Wisdom see in Link's Awakening seem better a lot better, but not perfectly fixed. *01:29:50* Well, as far as I've seen, Link's Awakening seems perfectly fixed. *01:29:59* I've not booed Echoes of Wisdom yet, because I haven't even started the game myself. *01:30:02* So I'll be curious if it it *01:30:06* Those early reports, you know, people were downloading a lot of stuff, and I you would like to think that wouldn't impact game performance, but I don't think we know the full *01:30:08* story there. *01:30:17* I I hope I I don't you maybe you've heard more about Eggs of Wisdom. *01:30:18* I am hoping it's it's pretty resoundingly fixed because like Bayonetta 3, this is a game I've been saving to play on the Switch 2. *01:30:22* I haven't heard more about Echoes of Wisdom, but when I saw those early reports, I I took a big gold grain of salt with it and I said, I'm waiting for I'm waiting for John. *01:30:29* From Digital Foundry to tell me. *01:30:38* And then when you he booted up Link's Awakening on that stream and he turned around and said, It's perfect, it's fixed *01:30:40* I'm like, ah, he's spoken. *01:30:46* Yeah. *01:30:48* I think echoes of wisdom is heavier from what I understand. *01:30:49* Like the the big problem with Link's Awakening was always like moving between inside and outside or transitioning from area to area. *01:30:51* Uh and Echoes of Wisdom, my understanding is it could have like sustained drops to 30, um, just like out in the overworld. *01:30:59* So I I I don't know. *01:31:08* I it's a game I hope to play in the coming months though. *01:31:09* In the early months of the Switch 2, it's it's very much a game that's like on my priority list. *01:31:12* So I just I just got it for my birthday, so I'm very excited to play it and have it on *01:31:16* switch to and hopefully run it on a decent frame rate. *01:31:21* So I'm excited. *01:31:24* Now just patch Paper Mario to run at 60. *01:31:26* Yeah and uh Xenoblade uh Chronicles X. *01:31:32* That that has to have a patch. *01:31:36* I I'm surprised they haven't announced I'm sure they're all in the works, yeah. *01:31:38* H here's why I'm optimistic because I I was a little like like I I I was like mm this initial list of games, you know, they they've got you know Pokemon *01:31:42* Scarlet and Violet, Super Mario Odyssey, uh uh the the the the the Greseldas is all like to call them, the Grezo developed Zeldas. *01:31:49* Um, you know, they've got this list and I'm like of free updates. *01:31:59* I'm like, I I I I think they will do more over time, but I wouldn't be surprised if like this is the list and this is it. *01:32:02* And just just yesterday, Splatoon 3 got a Switch 2 update. *01:32:10* So I'm like, aha, this is the first, the first one that wasn't on the initial list. *01:32:15* They're gonna do more. *01:32:19* So *01:32:20* And they're just gonna release hopefully they just release them as they finish, not yeah, you know, like like like hoard them and then drop them all at once. *01:32:21* Right. *01:32:29* Just just do it. *01:32:29* I remember Xenoblade Chronicles X had people found *01:32:32* like code references to a sixty frames mode in the first game. *01:32:37* So I my thought actually after all of the news was announced for Nintendo Switch two enhanced editions, I'm like, oh *01:32:42* This is for some enhanced edition, 'cause Xenoblade just came out. *01:32:48* I was like, ah, they'll they'll make you pay ten bucks to upgrade or whatever, and you get the frame rate unlock and better resolution or whatever. *01:32:52* Uh but now it could I guess go either way, but I definitely feel like Xenoblade. *01:32:59* we'll get a patch of some sort because it was in the code. *01:33:03* And d I i I if I'm not mistaken, I think Thousand Year Door had had a reference in the code for for something similar. *01:33:07* I think. *01:33:13* I'm I might look that up. *01:33:14* I'm hopeful. *01:33:15* I played Thousand Year Door earlier this year, even though it was thirty though, and it it is a gorgeous game. *01:33:16* Every time I see footage *01:33:22* I think the drop to 30 was worth just how good looking it is. *01:33:23* Like it looks really beautiful. *01:33:27* It really does. *01:33:29* So. *01:33:31* How are you guys feeling about Mario Kart World? *01:33:32* Cause as as I've played it, so I didn't actually get to play on launch. *01:33:35* I was too busy with work and I couldn't play on Friday either. *01:33:39* So the first time I played was Saturday night with some friends that came over. *01:33:42* Um for my birthday and we just played Mario Kart World. *01:33:46* And at least in a party setting, the picturesque. *01:33:49* I mean, we weren't on a roof, but that switch one roof kind of energy. *01:33:54* right like people coming over we're eating food we're playing games Karen waves she comes over she's like let's play *01:33:58* Just playing knockout tour and grand prix, everyone switching in and out, I was an absolute blast. *01:34:06* And I keep *01:34:14* I'm what I've seen clips of like people doing crazy tricks off walls and shortcuts and things. *01:34:15* I'm like, they have turned Mario Kart into a platformer and *01:34:20* I think Knockout Tour is bonkers insane good. *01:34:25* I wrote down in my notes the other day it's the Mount Wariofication of Mario Kart, like that just start to end kind of race where like top to bottom, like *01:34:28* That's what this game feels like now, especially with the Grand Prix like basically having a lap or two being just driving to the other place. *01:34:38* It it feels like it was designed all around this one lap uh mentality. *01:34:46* Right, right, right, right, right. *01:34:51* But I'm enjoying it. *01:34:53* Although there are some multiple laps type braces. *01:34:54* But like the Donkey Kong level is eight laps, you know? *01:34:57* And like three of them are getting there and then one's for each like level of it, you know? *01:35:01* It's yeah, it's an interesting approach that definitely shakes up the *01:35:05* well-established uh Mario Kart 8 Deluxe formula for the last uh twelve years. *01:35:10* Yeah, I mean I was really looking forward to that because yeah, I I would call it the Cruisinification of uh of Mario Kart because *01:35:16* You know, again, cruising is like a point B to point A, point B game with no laps. *01:35:23* There are, you know, some some laps here, but *01:35:29* I I really like the kind of interim sorts of races. *01:35:32* I I've heard some people don't like that as much, but I really like it. *01:35:36* Like I like the feel of traveling across this world, and I really also like that it's still *01:35:38* very much a menu driven game. *01:35:43* Like just the fact that it is open world doesn't make it difficult to access the content. *01:35:45* You know, you're not like actually having to drive to the race like, you know, I I I I *01:35:50* I I played a little Forza Horizon 5 and I'm like, I don't think this is really for me. *01:35:56* And uh Mario Kart is still Mario Kart. *01:36:02* The open world doesn't change that. *01:36:04* And in fact *01:36:05* you know i think there's very fair criticisms that the open world it's on its own is not actually that interesting uh you know the rewards for the things you do are mostly just these stickers that don't do much for you um but that said i *01:36:06* I actually kind of like that it's boring because it's like the perfect like before bed activity. *01:36:20* I was doing it again last night, like just like uh, you know, just do a few P switches, try to get a few costumes. *01:36:25* uh, you know, d try to get find some of those peach coins or something and then just go to bed, right? *01:36:32* You know, it's like just kind of a good wind-down activity. *01:36:37* But I do think they maybe, you know, if they if they expand things with updates, I I think maybe they need to *01:36:40* like come up with better rewards or or compulsion for doing the open world, but the core game, the core game I think sits in that open world very well. *01:36:46* I love how it how cohesive *01:36:57* the whole thing is and I love the you know the the the Mount Wariofication I love um *01:36:59* the knockout tour. *01:37:07* Unfortunately, one of my friends doesn't like knockout tour very much, but I I I really like it. *01:37:09* Um *01:37:16* It's uh it's fun. *01:37:17* I I like I also like how you know there there's so many uh GPs to get through. *01:37:18* And I was surprised after I finished like the GPs, you know, the special cup. *01:37:24* Uh there there's there's trophies to get for like all these knockout tours in single player as well. *01:37:28* So, you know, I I still need to go back and finish all the GPs on 150 and do all the knockout tours and stuff. *01:37:34* You gotta get mirror mode too *01:37:40* Oh yeah, I I I I heard that it's there. *01:37:42* I haven't even looked in how to how to do it. *01:37:44* I'm not like totally sure, but I know it's there. *01:37:46* Yeah, so I mean, you know, this is a game we're gonna be we're gonna be playing *01:37:49* for years and it's it's okay for you know some of these unlocks to be a slow burn. *01:37:53* I I was thinking just last night about how even though I basically never took Mario Kart 8 *01:37:58* deluxe out of my switch carrying case. *01:38:04* Basically every time I played it, I still unlocked something new. *01:38:07* And that kind of annoyed me because of the uh you know the cart part system. *01:38:11* And uh and it always like *01:38:17* brings you to where you are it's like, oh you unlocked a new part and it scrolls down to it. *01:38:19* It's like crap, I don't remember what was the combo that I already liked. *01:38:23* And, you know, so I I actually really like that that system's gone. *01:38:27* I like that we're back to these like just like *01:38:31* singular carts that are what they are. *01:38:34* They're more, I think, more imaginative looking and more enjoyably animated because they're just they're they're made to be what they are. *01:38:36* It's just character plus cart. *01:38:45* Um, I'm I'm much, much happier that we've kind of gone back to those roots. *01:38:47* Yeah. *01:38:53* What about you, Corey? *01:38:54* Uh it's fine. *01:38:57* It's fine. *01:38:58* I mean I you know what it's it's just as fun as the other ones that I've *01:38:59* played and uh I am I'm not like into you know like all the nuances of it. *01:39:05* It's just *01:39:12* It's just fun. *01:39:13* It's fun to play and uh you know, I did all of them in a hundred C C did some knockouts and outplay it here and there, but I have no desire to like really like dump a significant amount of time into it. *01:39:14* It'll be *01:39:26* like I'll play this when uh just like purely when I when it just like mate might sound fun. *01:39:27* Yeah. *01:39:34* And uh *01:39:34* It's it's I've I've always been like this with Mario Kart, and that's fine. *01:39:36* That's fine, you know. *01:39:39* It's just it's it's a good thing they have on the system. *01:39:40* How could you not like it? *01:39:43* I decided the YouTube comments right there. *01:39:45* Cool it's it's I you know it's it's it's it's totally fine. *01:39:49* Well and to be fair, I think that's a very normal reaction because you know, while *01:39:54* Some people are very excited about Mario Kart as a launch game. *01:39:57* A lot of people aren't. *01:40:00* Like a lot of people were like, oh, there's there's no like big adventure game. *01:40:01* Like we need you know we we we need a Mario, we need a Zelda, you know, even that Donkey, you know, Donkey Kong Bonanza, like *01:40:05* Like give us yeah, so you know, I I I think I think a lot of people were like Mar Mario Kart is like just a game I play here and there. *01:40:11* Like I want something to sink my teeth into at launch. *01:40:19* And I so I think I I think you're I *01:40:22* uh your reaction is not abnormal like a everyone likes Mario Kart, but not everyone loves Mario Kart, and I think that's borne out by the reactions to it being the the marquee *01:40:25* launch game. *01:40:37* And so I think that's a very that's a totally fair opinion. *01:40:38* It makes sense that it would be a launch game in in the way that you want to get everybody involved to uh to play this together, but *01:40:41* I don't know. *01:40:49* Like it's it's just it's not super exciting. *01:40:49* I mean, just like in the example, like in the fact that I was like probab like I was almost not gonna get it. *01:40:51* You know, it it and it it might have been something I would get later on down the road if I didn't get it in that bundle. *01:40:57* Or, you know, if the if the launch excitement over overtook me and I was like, I'm just gonna I'm *01:41:04* gonna get it right now. *01:41:09* Right. *01:41:10* Uh I just think that, you know, it's just it's it's fine. *01:41:10* It's Mario Kart. *01:41:16* Yeah. *01:41:18* Um *01:41:18* But you mentioned it. *01:41:19* Let's let's go there. *01:41:20* So Corey, how are you feeling about Donkey Kong Bonanza then? *01:41:21* So I have that one pre ordered pre ordered and uh you know, I had a ten dollar off coupon that I got with uh from Best Buy when I uh pre ordered X *01:41:24* Expedition 33. *01:41:33* So uh I put that promptly put that towards it and I'm looking forward to that. *01:41:35* You know, I've only I've only seen that original trailer for it. *01:41:40* I've not seen anything else. *01:41:43* So I'm gonna I'll get that day one. *01:41:45* I that is the one that I'm looking forward to the most. *01:41:46* You know, I think that that that's r more up my alley, but *01:41:50* I have no idea what to expect. *01:41:53* It looks so chaotic and I'm not sure how much meat there's actually gonna be there when it comes down to it, but I I trust them. *01:41:55* I trust them to do something that is gonna *01:42:04* that that people are gonna feel like, oh, this is a new game, a new, a new, like, not like a new franchise, but like a new entry on a new on a new hardware platform. *01:42:07* in this this big long running series that has, you know, been a platformer for like a a 2D platformer. *01:42:19* I guess, except for like Donkey Kong sixty four, right? *01:42:27* Yeah. *01:42:31* So I I think it'll be really interesting because we don't really know a whole lot about it. *01:42:32* At least I don't know a whole lot about it. *01:42:36* Yeah, it'll it'll I I'm excited about that one. *01:42:38* They did they did stream it. *01:42:42* That was like the big chunks of the treehouse stuff. *01:42:44* I won't I won't spoil anything for you, but it it does seem promising and *01:42:47* And um I think a lot of people are inferring that it is the Odyssey team. *01:42:51* Obviously Nintendo doesn't like to talk about who makes their game. *01:42:56* Big secret, hush hush. *01:43:00* But I have a feeling that at least if it is the Odyssey team that we're in good hands. *01:43:02* And what I think is so *01:43:07* Great about it is it is only a month after launch. *01:43:09* Now when the Switch came out, we obviously had Breath of the Wild as that like Wii U. *01:43:12* Switch bridge games, so there was hundreds of hours of content there and you know and single player content at that. *01:43:17* And then Odyssey was that October because *01:43:24* It came out while I was on my honeymoon. *01:43:27* I remember that. *01:43:29* I had to wait a week to play uh Odyssey. *01:43:31* But this is a month later, which *01:43:34* Honestly, it kind of feels like the Switch 2's first six months are kind of stacked if you if you throw in some of those enhanced editions, but Metroid Prime 4 beyond. *01:43:37* Um Pokemon Legend ZA sounds really cool if you're going to be able to do that. *01:43:48* People are guessing September seems like the most likely gap, but we don't know. *01:43:58* Yeah, because I thought Pokemon would be November, but it is in fact October. *01:44:02* Yeah. *01:44:07* So get this episode out quick before like *01:44:07* you know, Nintendo Shadow Drops like tomorrow the what tune in for Nintendo Direct because it's June, you know. *01:44:12* We're we're we're gonna be outdated. *01:44:17* Well, what was so surprising to me was like you said, Try, there was this Platoon 3 patch. *01:44:20* But with that, they announced a brand new spin-off game for Switch 2. *01:44:25* Called Splatoon Raiders, which totally feels like a a summer direct reveal. *01:44:30* So I was surprised that that was announced by itself. *01:44:34* Yeah. *01:44:38* But you've got that allegedly uh you know barring any potential delays. *01:44:39* We're getting Kirby Air riders. *01:44:44* Um *01:44:46* There's that age of calamity. *01:44:47* Yeah. *01:44:49* Age of imprisonment. *01:44:50* Age of Oh imprisonment. *01:44:51* You're right. *01:44:53* Calamity was the first one. *01:44:53* Um *01:44:55* There's the Kirby update try with some more DLC for you. *01:44:56* That's gonna be my first like double dip on like a a physical. *01:45:00* Like I know it's expensive, but like I I have to. *01:45:05* And also like I feel like this the value proposition for that one is a little better than the Zelda's because *01:45:08* So you would you would think it's more substantial. *01:45:29* You would hope. *01:45:32* One would hope. *01:45:32* So how are you feeling about Bonanza then try? *01:45:34* I'm excited. *01:45:38* I I've I I I've honestly been a little surprised by and may maybe this is just me like listening too much to Digital Foundry. *01:45:39* Um I I've been a little surprised that s some of the reaction has been like a little mixed, like uh you know, I d I I just can't quite figure out uh if *01:45:46* The hook here is grabbing me or you know might have been complaints like, oh the frame rate doesn't seem quite as consistent as you might expect from Nintendo *01:45:55* Um and may maybe that's the reaction I'm I'm hearing with you know, may maybe it's more tuned to that. *01:46:03* Because I I think the core concept is is fantastic. *01:46:08* I mean that's *01:46:11* Exactly what you want to see on a new platform is like uh is a gameplay concept that seems like it would be really challenging to pull off on the previous generation hardware, which is this like, you know, terrain destruction and deformation *01:46:11* Uh, you know, that's the kind of game concept we used to see in games like Red Faction in the PS2 era. *01:46:25* And then, you know, game developers just eventually decide, you know, you know what, that stuff's real hard. *01:46:30* Let's not do that anymore. *01:46:35* You know, and and and to the to the point where, you know, I thought Breath of the Wild was going to be taking over, you know, that that style of game was going to be taking over video games in just a couple years after it came out, and people don't even have the guts to do what Breath of the Wild did. *01:46:36* And then look *01:46:48* They like how crazy they go with Tears of the Kingdom. *01:46:49* No one does this stuff even on vastly more powerful hardware. *01:46:52* Like only Nintendo has the guts to do this like really like systemic *01:46:56* like hardcore like design like that. *01:47:01* Yeah. *01:47:04* Uh i you know level power level of the hardware, you know *01:47:05* Like the switch didn't stop them from implementing Ultra Hand, right? *01:47:10* In Tears of the Kingdom. *01:47:13* No. *01:47:14* Which just feels like in and the fact insane. *01:47:15* Insane. *01:47:18* They are they are they are madmen. *01:47:19* They are madmen *01:47:21* And the fact that it ran as well as it did on seven-year-old hardware at that point, oh my goodness. *01:47:22* They're wizards. *01:47:29* They're wizards over there. *01:47:30* It is *01:47:31* It's so much. *01:47:33* I can't wait to play it on Switch 2. *01:47:34* I can't get sucked back into it now. *01:47:36* I gotta beat Expedition 33. *01:47:38* I can't. *01:47:39* We've had a detour for Mario Kart, but I gotta get back to it. *01:47:42* I gotta get back to my my French RPG. *01:47:45* Oh I I'm excited. *01:47:50* I'm happy that banana I *01:47:52* It's it's a good year. *01:47:53* Bonanza's gonna be good. *01:47:54* I can't believe I looked it up today because I have a trip coming up, uh the a rather last minute trip that's like the the first and second week of July. *01:47:55* I was like, is it out by then? *01:48:03* Maybe I can play it on the plane and I'm like, dang it. *01:48:04* It's the week *01:48:06* after so I will I will come home and play Bonanza uh which will be good I think so I'm excited I I'm *01:48:07* curious to see what my future travel plans will be with the uh the switch two. *01:48:16* Like it's increased size. *01:48:21* I always uh felt that the uh switch one was was almost like *01:48:22* close to a limit. *01:48:27* Like I really liked the Switch Lite because I felt like the the smaller size just made it a lot more portable and and travelable. *01:48:28* Uh and so much so that I just bought one so I could travel with it instead of *01:48:35* taken my OLED and my OLED's like never gone anywhere with me at this point. *01:48:40* Uh and and the switch two being that much bigger, like it's just *01:48:44* I don't know. *01:48:48* It's just it's the same reason I've not brought my uh Steam Deck like anywhere. *01:48:49* I just have no interest in traveling with it. *01:48:53* It's just it's it's *01:48:55* Like almost too clownishly big for me to like feel like I want to play it outside of the house. *01:48:56* So the uh and that's just like I mean that's just me. *01:49:02* I've I've played a couple of friends' Steam Decks *01:49:07* It it it feels almost unwieldy. *01:49:09* I mean it's comfortable, but it's it it's like the limit of portable cost. *01:49:11* Is it really portable? *01:49:16* Are we are we I mean you can take it around the house, but *01:49:17* I don't know. *01:49:20* And the Switch 2 is right around that same size. *01:49:21* Uh it's much, but it's you know, the so I'm not sure how much I'll be traveling. *01:49:24* with my switch too. *01:49:32* If I could see myself doing it if I was like traveling by car someplace and I was gonna be staying in a hotel, but I can't see myself ever like pulling it out on a plane or doing that. *01:49:33* It's just it's just not what I like to do, I guess. *01:49:44* I'm uh I'm gonna give it a test run here in a few weeks, so I'll I'll see what it's like. *01:49:47* I remember I don't I I remember seeing pictures of people traveling with their Wii U. *01:49:51* And like plugging it in at airport terminals and playing off the game pad. *01:49:56* It was like this is the dream. *01:49:59* You know, which is so funny. *01:50:01* People just sitting there playing it *01:50:02* I mean I've been going back and forth between s Switch 2 and OLED as I've been testing various backwards compatible games and kind of what I'm f like my initial reaction to like holding the Switch 2 is like this feels really nice. *01:50:04* I the bigger screen you know, th there's lots of fair criticism against the screen. *01:50:18* I don't hate it. *01:50:22* Like I I think my my tier my my my bar to pass for *01:50:23* portable screen is not like ultra high because I'm already like in my head I'm like this is already a compromised experience just from not playing it on my my OLED TV. *01:50:30* Like I'm I'm already of a mindset where I'm like this is fine *01:50:38* I don't know. *01:50:42* Let's be real. *01:50:43* We all grew up with a Game Boy, like a green peace soup green Game Boy. *01:50:43* Yeah. *01:50:47* We we know what it's like. *01:50:48* I can handle this. *01:50:50* I can handle this, you know? *01:50:51* I can take it. *01:50:54* I can take it. *01:50:55* You know, I I get, you know, yeah, it's not real HDR. *01:50:55* I whatever. *01:50:59* I think it still generally looks good. *01:50:59* Yes, it has slow pixel response, which makes it a little blurry and smeary, but I I I still think *01:51:01* as little you know, at least Mario Kart looks really good on it, you know? *01:51:07* Um that you know that's that's a game that's like perfect showcase of that screen, I think. *01:51:11* You know, just bright, colorful. *01:51:16* You're not gonna see the smearing a lot because the way it moves. *01:51:18* But yeah, I I *01:51:20* I going back like my first feeling is like I really like how the thickness is the same. *01:51:22* Like it if but the larger size like makes it a little more comfortable holding your fingers on the sticks. *01:51:27* It doesn't feel overly heavy. *01:51:33* I like the bigger screen. *01:51:34* But as I've gone back and forth, like weirdly, something about the OLED still maybe feels a little bit more premium. *01:51:35* I think it's like the cool touch to the back of *01:51:43* of the unit just like makes it feel more solid. *01:51:47* I I don't know if it actually is a more solid material, but like something about it just that cool touch. *01:51:50* Like I don't know what the material is. *01:51:55* But it just it feels really nice. *01:51:57* Yeah, I like the back like kickstand on there more than I like the switch two one b just because *01:52:00* I almost felt like I like I could snap the one on the switch too. *01:52:06* Right. *01:52:10* If you like pulled in the corner or something like that. *01:52:11* Right, right. *01:52:14* What Welcome Tour tells us that the stand is U-shaped rather than a solid shape because they needed the space for more powerful processing. *01:52:14* So the the you know the stand on the OLED is taking up a lot more space because it's just a solid block, right? *01:52:27* Solid section. *01:52:33* And they needed uh, you know, to make sure that the stand didn't eat into all that. *01:52:34* It is it's funny though going back to that launch, like those early uh Switch ones and that that kickstand on there. *01:52:39* It's like it's it's comical. *01:52:45* It's comically bad. *01:52:48* Uh in fact I went I you know I had my Switch one out. *01:52:49* Uh fairly recently and it doesn't even stay closed anymore. *01:52:52* I had to put a little piece of uh like gaffer tape. *01:52:55* Oh really? *01:52:57* I don't know why. *01:52:59* Like it just *01:53:00* I always think of that uh that initial concept reveal trailer they did for it, the one where the guy like plays Breath of the Wild, the guy's playing basketball and then they stop playing basketball to play NBA two K and they just *01:53:01* on the picnic table. *01:53:13* I'm like, that thing would fall over. *01:53:14* Picnic tables are not smooth surfaces, that little kickstand does stand chance. *01:53:15* I I tried to to play, you know, they show it in that initial Switch 1 trailer where the guy's like *01:53:19* Got the switch like propped up on the airplane tray and playing with the separate Joy-Cons. *01:53:25* And like I tried that. *01:53:32* Like very briefly on my first like airplane trip with the Switch 1 uh well well which was like two days, two or three days after it launched, you know, me and Corey went to LA to shoot our nitrap documenter. *01:53:34* And I tried so briefly, and I'm like, that I'm immediately like that trailer is a lie. *01:53:47* because you couldn't even prop up that stand in such a way where you could see the screen because it's ultimately your tray table is like so close to you you're looking at it like such an oblique like *01:53:55* top-down angle. *01:54:06* Like this OLED, if you wanted to do that, you could at least like lean it way back and have a decent view. *01:54:07* But I yeah, I've never serious seriously given that *01:54:13* Another try, but um yeah, as far as is taking it on trips, I think it's for a big selling point to the OLED is the battery life is fantastic on it. *01:54:18* Yeah. *01:54:29* Um, and you know, I I am not a big like handheld at home guy, but just because this thing is new and I want to try it out, I've you know played a fair bit of handheld stuff at home. *01:54:30* Um *01:54:41* And uh you know that that that battery is you know around the two-hour mark, uh, you know, maybe less if you use the only charge to 90% option. *01:54:43* um in the in the settings which should in theory uh increase battery life over time. *01:54:54* Uh so yeah, like it it really depends. *01:55:00* Like *01:55:03* I you would have to really want to play a Switch 2 game or a Switch 1 game that would benefit a ton from being played on the Switch 2 uh to take it on trip and you'd probably want to bring a a a *01:55:04* a battery bank with you and stuff like that, you know. *01:55:17* An example, by the way, of a game that would be really cool is is Hyrule Warriors Definitive Edition. *01:55:21* I don't know if you've heard this, uh Max, but *01:55:25* Apparently that game was always 1080p and there's several others. *01:55:28* Like Halo Mode was just 1080p, but it was, you know, on the 720p screen. *01:55:31* And now it's just 1080p. *01:55:36* Like without an update, it's just 1080p and it's *01:55:37* It's got TP60 on. *01:55:39* So yeah, it it depends. *01:55:41* I uh what I've been finding is I I I prefer the feel of the Switch 2 for more modern styles of games that make heavy use of the sticks. *01:55:43* And I prefer this feel of the Switch OLED for more retro style games. *01:55:52* Because I've never really hated like the button D-pad thing. *01:55:56* So I feel like kind of a lighter weight. *01:55:59* The smaller buttons, like kind of feels better for the more retro stuff, but the sticks and stuff feel and and bigger triggers and stuff feels nicer for *01:56:02* something a little more 3D, a little more modern. *01:56:11* So it's it's really going to be a case-by-case basis, a game-by-game basis, or whether battery life is a concern as to whether I decide to bring the Switch 1 or the Switch 2. *01:56:13* Everyone should just bring a Game Boy micro everywhere they go. *01:56:22* That's what they should do. *01:56:25* Yeah. *01:56:26* Buy it. *01:56:27* If it's in your coin pocket. *01:56:28* Yep. *01:56:29* Oh, exactly. *01:56:30* I mean that's what I used to do. *01:56:31* I love my combined micro. *01:56:33* Yeah. *01:56:34* I I used to when I go on trips, I always throw it in the sunglass pouch in my backpack. *01:56:35* I'm like, I always have you with me. *01:56:38* You're always ready to go. *01:56:40* Yeah. *01:56:41* a fun time. *01:56:43* I think that'll do it though, gentlemen. *01:56:44* Thank you so much for both of you coming by, talking switch two with me. *01:56:46* This was a lot of fun. *01:56:49* I have new things to test. *01:56:50* Get my capture set up right? *01:56:52* Goodness gracious. *01:56:54* It's gonna be fun. *01:56:55* Well, hopefully Nintendo f figures it out. *01:56:56* I you know *01:56:58* Like name a better or a worse combo than like Nintendo and new technology standards. *01:57:00* how things are done, but when it comes to video standards like that, it always feels like they need to get humbled in a way by screwing it up and then they have *01:57:13* fix it. *01:57:22* But let me tell you what they did nail though was that wireless video to the Wii U gamepad. *01:57:22* Oh yeah. *01:57:27* Yeah. *01:57:28* It's amazing. *01:57:29* They nailed that perfectly. *01:57:30* Really quick, I think it's kind of interesting the uh that they're able to utilize that same sort of technology for the um whatever it is, like the wireless uh game share. *01:57:32* Connect. *01:57:42* Yeah, the game share. *01:57:42* Yeah. *01:57:43* And what I think is even kind of cool is like using that clubhouse games. *01:57:43* You can you can load it on other people's uh machines or like stream it to other people's machines, uh playing with uh *01:57:47* like like the game chat or whatever. *01:57:55* And you c like they can have like do like inputs apparently like and play like their sides if you wanted to play like, you know, because it's just sending one screen, you know, if you're playing chess or something like that. *01:57:57* You could play chess with somebody just with one game cartridge but play over like game share, which is kind of neat, right? *01:58:09* It's like the DS used to do, right? *01:58:15* Like download play on the DS. *01:58:17* And I just was I just did a podcast about Metroid Prime Hunters. *01:58:19* And that game, I forgot that it originally wasn't going to have Wi-Fi multiplayer. *01:58:24* It was only going to have *01:58:29* local wireless and they delayed the game to add Wi-Fi support. *01:58:31* Um but that game does have download play, single cartridge you could play multiplayer with all of your friends, which I and Mario Kart DS is a famous example of that as well, you know. *01:58:34* It's it's cool to see that come back. *01:58:44* I I would if I was a kid, I'd be all over that. *01:58:46* I'd be like, oh yeah, let me share. *01:58:49* Let's play a game together. *01:58:51* You don't have to own it. *01:58:53* That would be super *01:58:54* sweet. *01:58:54* So I think it's cool. *01:58:55* It's nice. *01:58:56* It's all coming back. *01:58:57* It all comes back. *01:58:58* What is old is new again. *01:58:59* That clubhouse game is kind of a kind of a hidden gem, I think. *01:59:02* There's some pretty neat *01:59:05* things in there to play and it's just you know if if I almost wish that it would be on sale for like digital like at some point for like I would definitely pay like twenty bucks to have that thing thing just *01:59:06* like on my system at all times. *01:59:17* Yeah. *01:59:18* Because there's just so there's like 50 or like 53 games or something in it. *01:59:19* And uh you know, and just to have a good, even a good solitaire on there. *01:59:23* Is is nice. *01:59:29* It is nice. *01:59:30* Always have solitaire. *01:59:31* I I probably was the only person that popped off when they announced Clubhouse games. *01:59:32* Like I was because I loved it on the DS. *01:59:36* Loved it on the DS. *01:59:39* I love that it teaches you how to play because there's so much stuff that I don't know how to play and it's like, oh, we can teach you how to play like Shogi and stuff like that. *01:59:41* Like things that I would never even consider like learning how to play. *01:59:48* That's great. *01:59:52* Go get Clubhouse games, everyone, and then share play it with your friends on Switch 2, so then they go out and buy it, and everyone can have it. *01:59:53* That's the that's the message from today's episode. *02:00:01* Well, thanks again, guys. *02:00:03* For my life in gaming, everyone go to the YouTube channel. *02:00:06* YouTube, my life uh I think it's pretty much my life and gaming anywhere. *02:00:10* YouTube, Patreon, yeah, Instagram, TikTok. *02:00:13* Yeah, I would *02:00:17* Yeah. *02:00:19* Uh uh Blue Sky. *02:00:20* We don't really post on on on Twitter X. *02:00:22* Well we don't put post on Twitter X. *02:00:25* at all anymore. *02:00:28* So you wanna find us uh on social media it'd have to be either Instagram or uh or Blue Sky *02:00:28* Yeah. *02:00:35* We did our first YouTube short the other week, so you know, we we we might be using that Instagram a little a little more. *02:00:36* Uh shit. *02:00:42* You know, cross posting to there, so *02:00:43* I sus well it sounds like a switch two video is on the way. *02:00:46* Try's gonna try's hard at work. *02:00:49* He's gonna be working. *02:00:51* I'm almost debating whether I might need to divide into to like *02:00:55* Two scripts we'll or if I can whittle it down. *02:00:58* We'll we'll we'll see. *02:01:01* But it's uh it's it's been fun. *02:01:02* It's been fun uh testing testing stuff out. *02:01:04* So yeah, look uh look forward to that. *02:01:06* It's going to the the focus is going to be like *02:01:08* a retro gamers perspective on Switch 2. *02:01:11* It's like it's like the questions that only I had *02:01:14* Yes. *02:01:20* Or or or people like us. *02:01:20* I mean I I got input from our Discord community. *02:01:22* Like, what are some questions we have, like about, you know *02:01:24* The controls, the video output, the scaling, um, you know, backwards compatibility. *02:01:28* You know, it's it's going to be about *02:01:33* concerns surrounding the games we already have or you know future retro style games. *02:01:36* Like is the Switch too poised to satisfy us with that style of *02:01:42* stuff. *02:01:47* So it's it's gonna be a little different than other Switch 2 content, I would say. *02:01:48* Awesome. *02:01:53* I'm looking forward to it and everyone else should too. *02:01:54* So thank you. *02:01:57* Um if you'd like to see links to anything that we spoke about, you can check out the show notes in your podcast player or head over to maxfrequency. *02:01:58* net forward slash MFP-48. *02:02:04* That's where you can find all the show notes. *02:02:07* You can check out all my work over at Max Frequency and then uh my other podcast chapter select. *02:02:10* We uh we will have Metroid Prime season done for when Beyond comes out. *02:02:15* I promise. *02:02:19* I promise people. *02:02:20* It will be we will tie it in. *02:02:21* It'll be all good. *02:02:23* But until next time, thank you all so much. *02:02:25* And adios. *02:02:27*