# [[MFP07 - “A Literal Golden Mine” with Alex O’Neill]] Transcript This transcription was completed on March 4, 2026 with the application MacWhisper on macOS. This was done automatically, without human input during the transcription process. The transcription used the Parakeet v3 model. My hope is that by offering this transcription – however accurate it may be done by a machine learning/AI – will help you, the listener. I’d love to offer full, proper transcription some day, but that is not feasible at this time. Thank you for listening and reading. I hope you enjoy the show and that this document was helpful. Enjoy. --- Hey everybody, welcome to episode seven of the Max Frequency Podcast. *00:00* I was like, Alex, you have this website. *00:00* I just don't think about it, I guess. *00:00* Which I'd never even really played. *00:00* I was like, Abby, this is what's happening. *00:00* I'm worried about Suicide Squad. *00:00* I was like, yeah, sweet, this is great. *00:00* That's still gonna be great because of everything that you had to do to get there. *00:00* And I've not played one or two, and I've not played the alt version of two either, and I know people that have, and I know people that that swear by them. *00:00* So I'm gonna soak everything up and somehow still didn't have the game spoiled for me before launch. *00:00* And then they just told that story and I didn't care for it. *00:00* They they're making the the single player campaign for it as an outsource company because it pays the bills, you guys. *00:00* They wanted to get it. *00:00* And they're all out of vanilla ice cream and you never have Dairy Queen ever again in your life. *00:00* It is bi-weekly now. *00:00* There's a bunch of other people that do way more stuff there that are way more talented than I, but I like to do it with them. *00:00* were kind of funny. *00:00* Like their feet, like how do you do this? *00:00* It's different when I'm I'm here and you're hosting. *00:00* uh digital collector of things of like there was a moment when I had a PlayStation when I was in the PS3 era, it was probably like a little bit after I started the podcast. *00:00* It's just it it's definitely super great. *00:00* If if you're gonna just commit to being the person that has both or whatever, like I don't know, I like you know what you're getting yourself into. *00:00* Uh as long as I don't have to throw grenades, we're good. *00:00* And he just ODs right there. *00:00* You can all if it is, then I'm fine. *00:00* Batan Pass is no longer locked behind uh a social your confidant link, so you get Baton Pass with Haru even if you never talked to her ever in your life. *00:00* for him. *00:00* Two hours of Red Dead 2, I'm like, cool, I'll never play this ever again. *00:00* Yeah, it really on. *00:00* It would have been a better video game. *00:00* That would be way more than that. *00:00* in this podcast feed and uh he did not just do this show, he recorded that show four years ago. *00:00* You're playing control. *00:00* And then the world ended. *00:00* Linda! *00:00* Uh and then the world ended and you know I emailed Frey. *00:00* Find a day for you and then he got back to me and that that's how it went usually. *00:00* So I I you know, I was just hanging out with Barriot. *00:00* And I was like, Alright, well that's fine. *00:00* Uh so I'm not original in in that way at all, but I went out I had an opportunity to go out to California f to visit my dad. *00:00* Okay. *00:00* which about an hour away from uh Cupertino, hour, hour and a half, or whatever. *00:00* But I wrote I I have this letter. *00:00* And like in a weird way I felt like I left you down, let you down, and then also um Colin leaving kind of funny and like the end of their friendship on kind of *00:00* Charisma, that's a great word. *00:00* But it's a th it's a thing with that and it's also a thin with just content creation, people becoming parents and getting older and like *00:00* You know, 'cause I I've listened to like my brother, my brother and me for a very long time and now all of them have two kids. *00:00* Uh potentially, potentially not. *00:00* Um, but it's it's just weird to think of it in that regard, but it's also weird to think of all those people that have like a familiar relationship to Greg and Jen, myself included. *00:00* and how them actually having a family is going to prob m more than likely negatively affect that and like you know, I know all these content creators, like they once *00:00* And I enjoy it, then sure, but like Yeah, that but the it's it's such a weird thing now, right? *00:00* Basically if you want uh Greg to remember you you need to get it in here in the next uh four months. *00:00* uh on a very like emotional level. *00:00* And he does another show called Analog. *00:00* And that felt I wanted to approach that very respectfully. *00:00* It's f it's good. *00:00* But I one year for Christmas, Abby's Abby's cousins come down every Christmas pretty much. *00:00* Uh and then he was, you know, him and I did a an Arkham Night spoiler cast, which was very fun. *00:00* Uh you're just having a good time. *00:00* Nabishan, uh my partner in podcast, my one of my very best friends, him and I have done like one on one podcast about Xbox, like *00:00* uh that I can throw out there um and and I can tell Paris that I disagree with him, right? *00:00* It's okay if it never happens I can die happy now. *00:00* uh executive Patreon producers, um, but I can't think of it off the top of my head. *00:00* crushed that the the mom and grop shop line. *00:00* The the roper report? *00:00* And somehow I'm involved, which would never I don't think would happen. *00:00* Yeah. *00:00* I need to find the games I want physically and then if I can't find them before this deadline, I'll buy them digitally. *00:00* Now I I now I live in fear that the overlords will take away my license to play these things at any moment. *00:00* I'm gonna overclock this and just make it run as silky smooth as it's never run before. *00:00* like one moment in Resident Evil Eight that does it like super well where you just like see a reflection of something like as it moves in real time. *00:00* And uh, Evil Within 2, because now it runs at 60 FPS on PS5, or I'm gonna revisit you know, Death of the Outsider, which I just beat earlier this year for the first time, and now I can play it on like some mode called *00:00* I mean they're the only PlayStation two IP that's still kicking, if you really think about it. *00:00* Uh Up Your Arsenal, I think, is still really fun. *00:00* play them. *00:00* Those load times. *00:00* And that is not a not a fun platinum, I would say. *00:00* Yeah. *00:00* Yeah. *00:00* And then I replayed it once I got the Series X at the one twenty, um, on my beautiful OLED screen. *00:00* From like uh I've been playing games for so long, but having never been a PC player, you know, like 144 stuff and and 120 stuff I've never messed around with, but learning to appreciate that and like *00:00* the analog sticks next to each other and you know, X circle, triangle and square and all that stuff. *00:00* So the two consoles are like opposite sides of the TV, and so people come in and go, Well, the Xbox looks so much smaller. *00:00* Essentially the same thing. *00:00* And then they show it on the PlayStation, it's like, what's a load screen? *00:00* Excuse me, Jesus. *00:00* And I I did uh get a PS4 at launch but I I didn't get X. *00:00* So this was just like I'm a real adult. *00:00* Yeah, with Kingdom Hearts the the one point five, two point five collection is like alright, no, none of that. *00:00* There will be another Forza Horizon game at some point. *00:00* What they just spent seven billion dollars. *00:00* I as the guy that really doesn't like the Wolfenstein games, I'm like, we'll see. *00:00* to some extent. *00:00* And when you're holding the trigger down, it it like pushes back up every single shot. *00:00* I'm giving but like that that kind of spring on the the actual mechanism of the trigger and it I didn't it was so there I didn't even really notice it the first time. *00:00* of how it like fully pushes the the trigger back up every after every shot. *00:00* But really this is kind of the I think the the HD fication of of the other senses you use while playing games. *00:00* And uh it genuinely feels like there are tiny little marbles rolling. *00:00* Their E3 is gonna be I can't wait for their E3 because it's gonna be super great and super disappointing all at the same time. *00:00* one right like exactly and I figured that out before I started dating Abby but yes um I think I think it's *00:00* She plays, you know, Animal Crossing. *00:00* I'll buy them at a Target in Indiana and I'll have my mom send them down here for us. *00:00* Gosh, that game is so good. *00:00* Oof, that's a great question. *00:00* I read how to do this a long time ago and I've always wanted to do it. *00:00* The FBI guy died in my first run. *00:00* Whoop! *00:00* solder issue if I had to guess now that I know a little bit more about computers. *00:00* haunted of like, well of course it's not working, it's on the carpet right now. *00:00* Now my co-hosts love to remind me by saying, like, well, I mean you broke that PS4 by shoving carpet into the disk drive, dude. *00:00* Of course there's gonna be a slimmer, more powerful PS5 later. *00:00* Bag and forget about it. *00:00* I was like, you know. *00:00* They're making this this unannounced Alan Wake game Alan Wake slash control game with the that's their Epic license. *00:00* So I like love love persona. *00:00* The part that was my fault, uh, which was so I understood this was a big Japanese RPG, like a big long game. *00:00* Sure. *00:00* Like I can't. *00:00* We're gonna drip feed you this as slow as possible so all the moments that feel climactic are just like it's almost like you're directly injecting drugs into your veins because of how climactic it feels. *00:00* Um but picture the final boss. *00:00* Uh so I dropped easy and I beat the game and it it's great and I love it. *00:00* It's hard to tell someone like when you play Persona, it doesn't feel like it's a hundred hours long, you know? *00:00* And that's pretty common. *00:00* uh and our other friends in our like super tiny model. *00:00* Uh, you're gonna meet characters like Maruki that are are really interesting and ask questions of the characters that challenge how they think about things, like Ryuji of *00:00* It'll tow the line, I think, of like being nostalgic and and fun and exciting to go back to and and like seeing an old friend again while also feeling fresh and new and exciting and *00:00* Um and fun. *00:00* Or 80 hours depending. *00:00* Oh you have to? *00:00* Your companions and stuff. *00:00* Let my self go. *00:00* You know, like if someone played a hundred hours of Persona Five and they're like, I do not like that game, I'd be like, There's nothing I'm going to tell you that's gonna change your mind about that, I guess. *00:00* And like, you know, you just had kind of a different take on a lot of things. *00:00* I don't understand what you mean by it being too long. *00:00* is one of my favorite games of all time, which is it no longer is because the last of us part two, but uh Oh, oh, oh the plot thickens. *00:00* And it's cool. *00:00* That was Amy Hennig's like part of Amy Hennig's original vision for that game. *00:00* can see like that that I fe that's how the feeling it's not so much just the hours and like time crunch. *00:00* And and I a a lot of it for me too is like I do not like it, at least without any heads up, that you're gonna kind of gut my mechanical *00:00* I think all the other characters are legitimately bad. *00:00* Uh, especially like with how it he is so spanglish and and that is like such a thing that bothers me now that it's been pointed out to me. *00:00* Let's see what they do with it. *00:00* I would have liked it more. *00:00* Not the whole time, but like I think you when you switch to Abby the first time, because it's weird that the you play her for all of thirty seconds and then you never play her for her. *00:00* where you went to Abby and then you switched back to Abby or to Ellie and I think it would have been a totally more interesting video game. *00:00* I'm not surprised at all, right? *00:00* Why? *00:00* Like, why do I I now have to accept this Deus Ex Machina of a hospital leader guy that's like, well, we're making the sacrifice for the good of it, and he was a good guy, I guess. *00:00* You know, like all these questions. *00:00* Yeah. *00:00* That probably really bums you out that they're really leaning even harder into this. *00:00* Well, they're remaking the first game because of all the studio stuff that was happening uh outside of their division. *00:00* If anyone could like come out the gate with a with a new IP on PS5 and and have it be be look and and sell well, like, you know, obviously it's them. *00:00* You know, they did that on PS3 with The Last of Us and and they they obviously had the opportunity to kind of build themselves up with Uncharted before then, and it that kind of taking off in a way that they didn't necessarily expect. *00:00* a problem and a bummer for me in a lot of ways. *00:00* And it was a bummer that it didn't work, but like just the vitril that came out of it, even conversations I had with people I know of like someone who I won't name said like, I feel like they did Joel Dirty, it's like I *00:00* It's so disappointing and disgusting really is a great word for it. *00:00* Of like, this is a take. *00:00* I I wrote about this uh last year. *00:00* And like the Ouroboros, it has consumed itself into something terrible, you know? *00:00* Like d that bajillion man hours went into this. *00:00* Yeah, I mean like it was just all bad, especially around that time with the leaks that you you talked about and like people getting that tweeted at them, people *00:00* uh sending Instagram messages to Laura Bailey telling them how much they wanted to kill her for for quote unquote killing Joel. *00:00* Incredible. *00:00* n' I knowing that about her going into this game, knowing that this, you know, more than anything was just like just a dream come true, that she got to be the protag the essentially the way more interestingly written protagonist of this game. *00:00* Or not like nicer, but like you guys shouldn't be as critical of the game because of this, this and that. *00:00* Become naughty dog two point oh so please. *00:00* You know, anytime you see like Brutal Legend is suddenly coming to Steam, it's like, yeah, because it's a revenue stream for that. *00:00* You know, he played Spider Man, uh the the Insomniac Spider Man and he had this terrible bug where all of the *00:00* Not 30 hours playing the last of us part two. *00:00* the classic Alex O'Neill uh effect of um just you do long podcasts and I know that every time but I sometimes I hope I'm like I can do it in two hours this time *00:00* And I love talking to you. *00:00* And then said nope. *00:00* And he does uh Thursday episodes every other Thursday on that, you know. *00:00* And I typically leave every Discord server after I join it just because I only am in like one or two. *00:00* It is the text message situation all over again, you guys. *00:00* It's uh b both of us. *00:00* You can find my writing at maxfrequency. *00:00* uh over at maxfrequency. *00:00* And maybe that was ten minutes. *00:00* Uh this is not that. *00:00* uh you know the big games and Nintendo and Sony and whoever else is there. *00:00* Yeah. *00:00* from so your mom's in Jacksonville? *00:00* Pretty close. *00:00* 'Cause you're a very nice person. *00:00* I mean I could give like the it's very funny too 'cause so I was going to be there in person. *00:00* Uh, so I don't I and I like try and play a little close to my chest, but yeah, I was like go in twenty twenty I was gonna go to San Francisco on the DL *00:00* gift that I try not to take for granted. *00:00* Then obviously that got cancelled and I was just like, you know, and all the black mil Black Lives Matter stuff happened, I was like, I'm not this is not my time. *00:00* There is stuff that's that's way more important to me personally right now. *00:00* W honestly when he got hired it kinda funny, I was like, of course, I'm surprised it took him this long to pick you up. *00:00* Uh and I joked to him, half joking, half serious as I am with all things, uh, that I never text Greg because I'm just s you know, this power of having someone's phone number, I never utilize it because I'm sure they'll just hate me if I do. *00:00* This is my worst nightmare. *00:00* I still struggle with this a lot today, but whenever I interact with someone that I look up to, especially in like an industry that I admire, whether that's podcasting or video games or *00:00* or tech or or whatever. *00:00* 'Cause he was actually working on uh a construction project. *00:00* Well, how often should I talk to this person or respond or send them a message like or follow up or you know, they haven't talked to me in a week. *00:00* I s I feel like I screw up a lot of things. *00:00* In a creepy, respectful way, like I found their building. *00:00* Uh and so I went to the meet and greet. *00:00* And I'm telling you, as soon as I told him I was there, I wrote a letter, I dropped it off with ni like just the gist *00:00* I'm the guy that wrote the I wrote the serial killer letter, you know, with all the little the different newspaper clippings clipped together. *00:00* Oh my gosh. *00:00* So when you meet someone who's like, I have social anxiety and you're like, I get it. *00:00* separate my cousin, my cousin and me podcasts simultaneously in eighteen years. *00:00* Churn the middle more. *00:00* But when it comes to people's kids, I'm like I I'd really try to stay away and out of that. *00:00* People like Greg are beautiful, wonderful butterflies, but like once you have a kid, you've got to respond to what that's doing every day. *00:00* Everyone needs to calm down. *00:00* We're probably smart. *00:00* Like maybe not. *00:00* I'm not married nor do I have prospects in my life if of of marriage in any shape or form. *00:00* you know, as someone who's listened to beyond you yourself, like it's it's different l when you're like invited into the house that that made you, you know what I mean? *00:00* My so PS I love you just because PlayStation's more my speed and Greg and PlayStation are like synonymous in my mind. *00:00* It was like the that kind of like actualization of of the thing that you want to do of like, oh yeah, this is just fun. *00:00* Uh, you know, they talked about like, oh yeah, we gotta have you at Blessing was like immediately like, I gotta get you on so I can talk with you. *00:00* And do a show with them. *00:00* I won't say never because at some point people will want a reunion special for something and it theoretically could happen. *00:00* Podcasts can get revivals too, or at least specials. *00:00* Oh my goodness gracious. *00:00* I am the type of person that will want to go and replay any video game at any given time at any point in my life, just because I A love replaying video games and B *00:00* I did I played through all the Sly Cooper games again, you know. *00:00* Uh it is you know, it's an ever living concern, but like them them going back on it made me feel a little bit better about it. *00:00* I do regret that a lot. *00:00* Especially like now i having done like having been here talking about video games for like since the PS3 era is me, like it's weird to think of that now coming in like we're two generations removed from that at this point. *00:00* Too much work. *00:00* Uh original game plus where you can play it with the powers from Dishonored 2. *00:00* I I think that is so great. *00:00* 'cause I again never really played it. *00:00* It is still going and it's still great and it looks super fun. *00:00* Yeah. *00:00* I uh I don't think into the n so I haven't I missed the whole PS3 era of Ratchet, which is kind of why I focused on collecting those and I wanna *00:00* Uh yeah, it it but it's great and it looks great and it's got so much charm and style and it's just *00:00* uh if not before, but definitely after the Ratchet and Clink movie uh didn't do so hot. *00:00* And it that that was like what going back and forth between the 120 mode and the 60 FPS mode to kind of train my eye to understand what the difference is was fun too, just for me. *00:00* X and and you know, it was definitely chunky at at points where it's just like, you know, the eclipping through the environment stuff would happen *00:00* That's another thing, the FPS boost, like you play Titanfall 2, the campaign at 120 right now, or the multiplayer. *00:00* But I think people look at PlayStation as like their exclusive console and then the Xbox as their multi-platform console. *00:00* Yeah. *00:00* The the police station is is tall and thin and the Xbox is like short and stubby. *00:00* Not exist. *00:00* play twice a week for an hour at a time. *00:00* for like to fill the the the void with game pass or with uh the Xbox it is like just Game Pass is such a great little thing like when I got it *00:00* Got my Xbox like I was like, alright, I'm just gonna replay through Kingdom Hearts, you know, the whole franchise, like I do every six months apparently now. *00:00* uh the podcast was like with quick resume that I love is like you know playing through Kingdom Hearts or any like HD collection like that. *00:00* I'm the I'm the guy who thinks Doom's too long and don't get me started on Doom Eternal. *00:00* A little knock against it for me. *00:00* Yeah, so like the motion stuff wise is fine, but in RE8, uh there's like a gun, like an assault rifle that you have to the end, toward the end of that game. *00:00* Dane, Aloy's bow is gonna feel dope with this. *00:00* You're gonna feel it in the controller and you throw the 3D audio in and then PSVR2 is gonna have that same tech *00:00* I'm hopeful. *00:00* I didn't, but I've played it instead of utilize it pretty well. *00:00* Uh people will first of all, Breath of Wild 2 will just sell like gangbusters, but then that'll also incentivize new console sales. *00:00* It they know how to nail it. *00:00* Or Pete Peter. *00:00* That game oh my gosh. *00:00* Um and I've played Heavy Rain before. *00:00* Yeah, actually I wish I had thought of it at the time, but it was one of those games where it just devolved really quick at the end. *00:00* Maybe someday? *00:00* I want to play a call-op Batman and keeping you. *00:00* I replayed the Arkham games last year. *00:00* And so I was like, okay, well, the best like the cheapest way to do this is to buy a PS4. *00:00* I was like, why don't you buy mine? *00:00* This is a week after the warranty died, exactly. *00:00* 2019, I think. *00:00* And got the last of us one. *00:00* Uh I've got to do it. *00:00* uh to see if I could get clicks on YouTube because that's in twenty thirteen was so you do. *00:00* Remember remember the fat PS2 to the slim PS2? *00:00* I feel I do feel bad for the people that don't pay attention to the news or know these things. *00:00* a uh of summer. *00:00* Yeah. *00:00* Abby and you know And to be fair, that was before the pandemic started, so you didn't know that there was gonna be a time vortex where all things would last four times as long. *00:00* Yeah. *00:00* I really hope they don't announce a Zelda Switch, is really what I'm saying. *00:00* by the end of the year. *00:00* Well yeah, that's respectable. *00:00* Clearly could tell the kind of like games he wanted to play, which honestly are games that I love to play, so but man, Max Payne 3, wh that why is that game not back compat? *00:00* Figure it out, Rockstar. *00:00* It's basically ties Alan Wake in the universe essentially. *00:00* Max Payne because Rockstar owns that now, right? *00:00* that is essentially Max Payne that Alan Wake wrote, right? *00:00* Casey and that now this person is real and looking for him. *00:00* businessy guy or whatever, and suddenly one day he he starts hearing narration over his life. *00:00* And originally I was gonna buy the white one and then he was like, My parents say the white one will be worth more money someday, so I'll sell you the black one. *00:00* And like when you do a dungeon, you just need to commit to the whole dungeon. *00:00* And I didn't it shouldn't have become Mark. *00:00* I think knowing what I know about Persona Five, which is a game that took me like two or three years to beat, uh 'cause it I would play it in like twenty hour chunks. *00:00* So the final boss, um would like one hit me. *00:00* Um kanji would do, but not Kanji, uh Ryuji. *00:00* Uh that's you're missing out. *00:00* But I'm glad you played five. *00:00* I I follow someone on Twitter, I won't necessarily put them on blast, but they're a friend of mine and and I like his opinions on things a lot, but he's like, I just do not want to play a game that is over that is like someone tells me it's a hundred hours long, but *00:00* I mean, I'm not a good testament to that either. *00:00* It's time to replay Persona 5 for the next four years. *00:00* the original Persona 5 that makes that character feel like a completely different like he goes on a different kind of journey because the destination is so much more personal. *00:00* how he hates adults or whatever, how he has trouble tuss trusting people. *00:00* You're just gonna get to be able to spend more time with them on top of knowing that like this is gonna end differently. *00:00* It you're gonna get there and there's gonna be more after it and it's gonna feel way more personal and way closer to home. *00:00* So like honestly for you, you know, in whenever the mo mood strikes you and you're like, I'm ready to replay Persona Five and you sit down to play Royal, it will feel *00:00* you're gonna be into the changes that they made, I think. *00:00* And all the stuff you've moved, but you come back and they're the same but they're also different. *00:00* Uh, which is the only time they've ever ever really done that as far as I know. *00:00* the original it's like, hey, Marie is in golden and she is not in Persona 4, you know, otherwise so and she's a great character that is super fun and goes to a lot of cool places in the same regard as Kasumi and *00:00* in persona five and and she's yeah great. *00:00* It's weird. *00:00* Sometimes I feel like I'm a poser. *00:00* I would say that the best thing about Persona is that in my opinion, as someone who's played three, four, and five, you know *00:00* Yeah. *00:00* That you can only romance people female social links in that game. *00:00* I don't know how how you are about that stuff. *00:00* I remember spending time and going around places. *00:00* And he'll tell me. *00:00* Go around and go fishing and take pictures and That's another game I think about going back to a lot. *00:00* It didn't super click with me and I don't really like Cowboys to begin with, so like, you know, I I'm just happy for him to have that. *00:00* It's just like one of those things of like I thought I checked every building. *00:00* Um today we're recording this. *00:00* It's just a world I love spending time in, so that time flies by. *00:00* solve with her fists kind of person and she's just a bully, you know. *00:00* Um, and it's what made me care about Ellie's story for longer, uh, until I didn't anymore, because she had it at at the very least, Dina as a foil character to her. *00:00* has all of these characters around her that are bad, uninteresting, poorly written, sometimes like stereotypically racially. *00:00* She doesn't, and they don't have any meaningful conversations outside of a couple that I liked. *00:00* at one another constantly, uh, and everything they try and do or set up that's interesting with those characters is a failure. *00:00* It just like I see exactly what that game was going for and it did not work for me at all and I I think it like I think it gets more credit than it deserves, I guess. *00:00* And I didn't care about that story. *00:00* That's tried to pull something off like this since Metal Gear Solid 2, Sons of Liberty. *00:00* It's so good. *00:00* then switching back to Ellie, which is kind of their whole point is can you how do you feel now with two people that you at least on some level care about or empathize with? *00:00* enough to the point where you don't want to see them fight by the end, right? *00:00* For I I hear that Metal Gear Solid 2 comparison a lot, and I think they should have just committed to it. *00:00* I don't care about any of them. *00:00* It j it just doesn't make any sense to me. *00:00* And then, you know, I I think that that is the point, but like you just uh you missed it for me. *00:00* This character likes kids, or like this character has can talk to kids like i you know, just everything. *00:00* Ellie, you know, when they get into Pittsburgh and he knew it was an ambush when they get into Pittsburgh and stuff. *00:00* Uh and and I love that they remain to that to the end of the game. *00:00* I need to get upstairs. *00:00* I just don't think they did enough there. *00:00* I think on a gameplay level that makes total sense. *00:00* I I do not think this will be their next game. *00:00* Lost Legacy just started out as single player DLC for Uncharted 4 and then their own ambitions turned it into a full fledged, you know, game. *00:00* Evan Wells just did an interview. *00:00* And one of the things I wrote was like Twitter used to be like Brevity was the soul of Wit was kind of the idea of Twitter with its hundred and forty characters. *00:00* She's she is not Abby. *00:00* she wanted to be in a naughty dog game. *00:00* It like you know, that I think that was a particular stinking point for me. *00:00* But you better believe every other news outlet that's what they took away from it. *00:00* Yeah, it's everybody some slack. *00:00* They're trying to get those big Microsoft dollars. *00:00* You know. *00:00* far too long. *00:00* It would load and stutter while he was swinging th swinging throughout the world. *00:00* Uh, and that he said to me of like it was just enough of a issue for me to start having to question everything else *00:00* Right? *00:00* He can lift cars and and destroy buildings, you know. *00:00* unravels everything for them, you know? *00:00* just deal with that. *00:00* I think you're just gonna be so much happier, you know. *00:00* Come down with my negative negativity hammer, smash it through the end of this pocket. *00:00* I saw someone say also this week another m great words of wisdom, it don't don't tweet through it. *00:00* Don't work it out on Twitter. *00:00* Go check a few episodes down in the podcast feed because I re-uploaded our interview with on Behind the Pixel as back. *00:00* I miss packs. *00:00* This is always someone else's fault. *00:00* Hi. *00:00* Uh Ryan, I'm blanking out his last name. *00:00* PS5 and the Xbox Series X ray trace blah blah blah. *00:00* I can play control. *00:00* um for a week just so I could, you know, hang out with my f my very good friends Barrett and Alyssa. *00:00* Uh I was going to be on Kind of Funny Games Daily on April 8th, 2020, or April 3rd, one of the two. *00:00* Four years ago we talked about how you wanted to do the thing. *00:00* a lot of other not white people on that show and Yeah, they did really great. *00:00* That's awesome. *00:00* Um and because Greg's not secret about anything, it wasn't very hard to pinpoint the location of kind funny offices. *00:00* Um and I gave Nick a letter and I just said, Hey, I'm here. *00:00* So when I wrote this letter to Greg, it's kind of just one of those heartfelt, you know, hey, I do this f you know, you're why that I do this and uh this is why I stopped doing this. *00:00* To just like let other people I avoid confrontation. *00:00* He knew right away and he gave me the biggest hug as if he had known me for years and I've known him known about him for years, you know. *00:00* You know, I don't wanna come off as annoying. *00:00* are good at good enough at what they do to like even break down those kinds of barriers. *00:00* But also like I That's weird. *00:00* Um that was a huge inspiration for me to get back into this after I killed off Millennial Gaming Speak and Model Citizens and stuff. *00:00* his kids are young and I wanted to talk about some of his experiences just as an adult and the like technology in their lives. *00:00* It is a lot. *00:00* It is crazy, dude. *00:00* ordered twelve pizzas from Domino's and they immediately called him and said like, Hey, you can't just do that. *00:00* Uh so we had a call ahead of time. *00:00* to get on the rails here. *00:00* Um so so that was there. *00:00* uh afterwards and I said on there of like that was the answer that I would have given if I had thought about it at all. *00:00* So it it's it was cool. *00:00* That's the important part. *00:00* What my my dream would be uh beyond are not beyond. *00:00* Got that all digital. *00:00* Um I'm going to everything I buy I'm going to buy to keep, whether I like it or not. *00:00* I have weird cravings to play other games a lot, you know, like last year in the pandemic times, like I I did a lot of great replays. *00:00* You you can be uploaded and then uh Mark Cerny can look at your ears. *00:00* Some some guy listed it on eBay for a buy it now price and had no idea what he was selling and I was right place, right time. *00:00* I hate switching discs, so like this this is all like just plug me in. *00:00* And you know, I all I had to do was work there for six months and I never wanted to trade in the game again. *00:00* I'm just gonna have it. *00:00* very important to me as it turns out. *00:00* Versus Ratch and Clank is still Ratchet Clank and Ratch and Clank is still great. *00:00* Insomniac. *00:00* That was all still second party relationship stuff. *00:00* to think that it's still trucking. *00:00* That's something that they didn't give up on and boy would it have been great if that had been Sly Cooper instead, you know? *00:00* Is so good. *00:00* the music in that game especially. *00:00* The um because I like trophies. *00:00* And to me, I haven't used it, so I can't speak to like how life-changing that is, but I can say no load times. *00:00* uh played around with change of memories and stuff and all that on in the the Game Pass versions on Xbox and like I th the the example I use on *00:00* It's too exciting. *00:00* besides just the way the PS5 looks, because I do like the dual tone and like the the curvy kind of sexiness of it. *00:00* Ah, I love that controller so much. *00:00* uh back and forth of motion that I've I've not really felt before. *00:00* Um so that it had that, I was like, okay, there's still more cool things to see here. *00:00* And that kind of feedback in your hands in VR, I think, is gonna be something that really separates it from competition but brings immersion to the next level. *00:00* and super great to see, but now I think companies are starting to step that stuff up and that's gonna be awesome. *00:00* It just doesn't make sense to do it this year. *00:00* As as long as you're having fun when you play when you finally get to play the game, that's that's the part that matters, I think, to some extent. *00:00* She uh teacher appreci Teacher Appreciation Week. *00:00* Said I will buy Pokemon Snap with these. *00:00* Hey. *00:00* Oh yeah, I did too, I guess. *00:00* Hitting the ground running, like just really pushing through. *00:00* Of course. *00:00* And it just there's no saving it. *00:00* And it's cool with like the paint hands on it and the countries and stuff. *00:00* And you and I we both wanted to be at these launches. *00:00* And you know, this launch was originally gonna have Halo. *00:00* It is it's just inevitable. *00:00* It did. *00:00* I d I'm starting to think it won't happen. *00:00* Before they announce the Switch Pro. *00:00* And that had the Maduro's mask themed switch. *00:00* I guess a naughty dog shelf. *00:00* And uh Breath of the Wild 2 smoother. *00:00* great and wantable, you know, desirable I think. *00:00* Because they lean into an art style and art direction. *00:00* odd because Mario is a cartoon man. *00:00* Yeah. *00:00* It's it's great. *00:00* Every now and then he mentions he's like I have the last game I played was like Red Dead Redemption on my PS3. *00:00* Probably. *00:00* in some way, shape, or form fucked. *00:00* Yeah that is on backwards compatible that's on Game Pass, you know. *00:00* you one of the kind of offshoot documents is like there's a FBI detective named Alex Casey that's looking for Alan Wake, like a real person. *00:00* There and they're over there now. *00:00* Maybe in one year's less time. *00:00* Yeah. *00:00* Fifty, sixty bucks now, I think. *00:00* to like optimize, you know, social links and and get everything. *00:00* And I'm probably asking for it now because I'm talking about it on a public podcast, but I still don't know like who the murderer like the p the plot twist of the game has not been revealed to me. *00:00* I remain dark on the game. *00:00* by modern standards it's like kind of super obvious now. *00:00* It's so hard to tell people of like that's that's not what the game's about. *00:00* narratively, uh because the gameplay is not hard to forget or whatever. *00:00* like the the destination. *00:00* so many games that resolve around revolve around boss fights and revolve around climax and and kind of these moments, but Persona is like, no, we're gonna *00:00* this vibe is. *00:00* Kawakami, best girl. *00:00* I want to ask you, because you're such a big persona fan. *00:00* But I wouldn't dislike in Persona 5 Royal, like there's just a lot of really great changes to how and I'm just using one character as an example. *00:00* Um and that's that's kind of like the metaphor for Royal as a whole is you know, you're gonna meet characters like Kasumi that are new and you've not known before, but they also act as like *00:00* It's just I feel like it's one of those staple games that you just kinda want to own and and have there. *00:00* I used to, but like they're not they're not scratching the same itch. *00:00* Uh and it is absolutely one of those and it's at the same time has a lot of percent of vibes that are great *00:00* Uh it's certainly the more accessible one now that it's on PC as well. *00:00* Uh if you've finished a persona game, you're a fan, you know? *00:00* getting to God and it making sense then you you're a fan. *00:00* a super not great game comparatively, but it's also like super hard because of the way you have to play it because you can't control your *00:00* Like maybe I should do that. *00:00* Uh and also there are boss fights specifically designed around Baton Pass. *00:00* A game with a Naughty Dog logo slapped on it. *00:00* It's for a friend. *00:00* And you apparently didn't watch you watched whatever the reveal was uh you can correct me. *00:00* Because I don't uh most people I talk to at least liked it. *00:00* This is not to me say, you know, how dare you. *00:00* I think in particular with part two, when you if you like it, you know you like it. *00:00* Or twenty hours depending on how you play it and and I feel like by the end of it you're gonna know one way or the other how you feel about it. *00:00* So I just kinda hung out with him while he played it. *00:00* I don't I don't know how to engage on that. *00:00* an encounter. *00:00* And so with those both those games, Part 2 and Uncharted 4, I think it kind of ties back into Persona. *00:00* It's definitely gonna feel longer. *00:00* That game really hit I think hit its landing pretty strong. *00:00* But it doesn't feel like it when you're playing it. *00:00* The across the three playthroughs I've spent eighty hours in the last was part two. *00:00* The the the tricky thing is like I with all characters I I think you are not going to care about them without some kind of reflection of them *00:00* Um who is different and felt differently about things, but then, you know, there's a lot of enabling and ultimately like everything that happens between Ellie and Dina is like completely forgettable and *00:00* that would I think make Abby more interesting are there. *00:00* And I think that game, if it's about hate and the cycles of violence as much as it is, it never deals with the consequences of that. *00:00* Uh, it ends before Ellie really has to deal with them. *00:00* But, you know, in that same breath I I do you know, it's one of those things where I *00:00* Uh, and that's why like it changed how I felt about the Last of Us Part One. *00:00* I'm probably not gonna like this. *00:00* And and it was interesting, like I was ready to be interested in it, and I I thought, like, of course this is what Joel deserved. *00:00* And now like the idea of a third one is like boy, you need to let this all of these characters go. *00:00* Oh, I'm not gonna play a snake? *00:00* Bait and switch feels like cheap to say, but you know, they subverted expectations and whether that succeeds or not, I think falls on *00:00* Obvious I it was intentional to have Abby mirror Joel in a lot of ways. *00:00* I mean like his tragic b beginning at the of um saying pandemic feels a little too on the nose now, but the outbreak probably is better. *00:00* uh the guy Robert that they kill, every conversation he has with with um Merlin. *00:00* Well, why didn't Marlene just ask Ellie if she wanted to do this? *00:00* Everything about The Last of Us for me is more interesting if it's not setting up anything, if it's just a story. *00:00* hearing their remake yeah they're re uh remaking the first game, you know, and they have a part three kind of drafted out. *00:00* And it just like from a business perspective makes sense to have them make it, especially coming off of two. *00:00* What would they just say that's uh I think thirty-seven million people have downloaded or played Uncharted 4? *00:00* uh was pretty disgusting. *00:00* I hate this. *00:00* Same. *00:00* It definitely. *00:00* uh and just how that worked out for her. *00:00* their own opinion on something, but that does not have to reflect on the actual quality of the human being that made the thing. *00:00* Unfortunately business kind of ended up shutting that down and like those people left, unfortunately, are you know for what they I s wanted to do and stuff and it's just *00:00* May it took them seven years to make part two. *00:00* You know, China developed a big popular video game frame. *00:00* It's one of those things too, like it like left the game disappointed uh on the level at least that you have. *00:00* of like all these other things that don't make sense. *00:00* Guys, it's a video game. *00:00* This is uh I remember I picked when I asked you originally like a month ago if you wanted to do this with me, you said would two hours be enough? *00:00* Go ahead and uh plug away, my friend. *00:00* Um but I you know I I interact with people a lot through there. *00:00* And I am A, too terrified to ever go in there because I'm sure I will appear on something by accident, and B too terrified to leave because I don't know what message that sends. *00:00* Hot takes with Cam, who was in episode two, but beyond that I I'm pretty I think pretty mellow on there. *00:00* I think it was twenty seventeen if I remember correctly. *00:00* It is definitely very social and I think if you focus on the indies, uh not having a press pass would be like doable. *00:00* uh wanted to talk to you about just because I was so proud and so excited for you. *00:00* the terms that that that kinda happened on kinda always just kinda ripped my little heart out too. *00:00* 2018. *00:00* on and I don't so to tie it back, it just whenever I interact with people that I look up to, I get really in my head about. *00:00* But they're like in my head they're bigger people than I am. *00:00* Anxious all the time. *00:00* Hey, you have kids. *00:00* That was pretty late in the year, you know. *00:00* In this house with me, so like lit legitimately almost every single human that has ever mattered to me was there. *00:00* Um so there there's that moment when the knock is at the door and I'm like walking down this hallway that I've walked down for every day for two years and then I turn around and then there's like twenty people that are like *00:00* And so we did that, and I think they both got about thirty nuggets in before they thought they were going to die. *00:00* It's ironic. *00:00* anything at all before and in the moment of like, you know, why are you still doing this? *00:00* astronomically nervous. *00:00* Really, we all have. *00:00* No. *00:00* So like when I buy anything, I I know I'm never going to get rid of it. *00:00* Oh my gosh. *00:00* Uh I could say the same thing. *00:00* Uh, I deeply regret selling my whole PS3 collection. *00:00* All the bits are here. *00:00* Uh the w the the the m the bombs drop and finally we're all set free of this curse, you know. *00:00* uh through zero effort essentially. *00:00* on that first in that first echelon. *00:00* Yeah, it's super super especially like there there there are a few moments um of like console games that have like really utilized it super well so far, but like there's *00:00* I'm th Kingdom Hearts. *00:00* Tower defense and co-op and all sorts of stuff. *00:00* Certain parts of that original. *00:00* Uh and that was the only that's the only Ori game I played. *00:00* But that uh that's the only thing I've done with my Xbox. *00:00* I love having it there. *00:00* The the the new console's in the living room with like the nice TV, the foot the OLED 4K, you know, the whole thing. *00:00* was I think Resident Evil took I'm gonna say four. *00:00* their course to be charted next to where I'm interested and then I can join on the bandwagon and stuff. *00:00* I frankly think it will be too. *00:00* immersion and that's gonna be wild. *00:00* I'm very curious to see if we see those kind of controller features migrate anywhere else, like the Xbox or Nintendo. *00:00* amp it up a bit more because that's that's in a one Joy-Con in your hand, not necessarily in the pro controller, which I think most people are using. *00:00* Uh Jason. *00:00* and said, or gammy killer lights the whole place on fire and you have to get out of there. *00:00* This oh my gosh. *00:00* Launch PS4. *00:00* Loves it. *00:00* months before. *00:00* I think a big part of tech in general is when you buy something, you just have to know there's a newer, better thing already in the works. *00:00* Just like those of like, okay, this is the time to get in. *00:00* They're like kings of optimization. *00:00* a desirable system. *00:00* There are two issues. *00:00* Oh, this is a good game. *00:00* You're just hidden X over and over again. *00:00* on the TV. *00:00* Any point. *00:00* Uh and I think you know who I'm talking about. *00:00* It's so hard. *00:00* similar but differently satisfying ending. *00:00* Um so y you get a lot of satisfaction there. *00:00* Just like I think the way that those games are meant to be played. *00:00* somber, sad version of persona that is so different and such a a wholly different you know, like people's personas level up and transform automatically in that game, you know, like *00:00* Mmm. *00:00* Mummer. *00:00* As long as you can get the steel case, you can always buy a replacement if you really wanted to. *00:00* I always keep an eye out for him though. *00:00* one and two or Devil Survivor I think is what it is. *00:00* the posters over here. *00:00* Logan was there. *00:00* There's nothing I could say or do. *00:00* Especially it coming off of Uncharted Four, which had very little fighting comparatively to the rest of that franchise. *00:00* repertoire, right? *00:00* I think just a waste. *00:00* put a climax where there is an anticlimax. *00:00* Under as someone who was there for The Last of Us Part One and that did work for me. *00:00* If i if you really think of it as in a parts of a story, like everything The Last of Us Part One, which was these just these two characters and how they interact with each other and how that kind of culminated in the relationship they had by the end of it. *00:00* Everything of that, if you now think of it as a setup for the consequences that occur in Last of Us Part 2, makes me not care at all. *00:00* Like, especially coming hot w if you have no context for three through the rest of it. *00:00* I feel like I'm whoever that character is on some level identifying. *00:00* Um and then it's the twenty year jump and you kind of just fill in the blanks and it it's filled in narratively with other people talking and actually through the relationship with *00:00* You were a bad dude. *00:00* rarely fortunate, I think, in the industry to kind of control their own destiny as far as IP and what they make go. *00:00* Especially like in the PS3 time, like, you know. *00:00* I do want to say, because I'd be remiss if I didn't, like everything I say about The Last of Us 2 also it it didn't happen in a vacuum. *00:00* crawled uh Between the Sheets. *00:00* Like come on guys. *00:00* will go, how that conversation will be. *00:00* The immediate thought is, well, why are they doing this? *00:00* On three generations. *00:00* I uh yeah. *00:00* Yeah, check out Irrational Passions. *00:00* I'm in the I'll tell you the if you want to know the funniest behind the scenes thing is I am in their server on Discord now. *00:00* He knew I was coming. *00:00* I and I would love to do it, period, but I also would love to go back to PAX. *00:00* I miss I miss packs. *00:00* then, you know, a whole year passed. *00:00* But that's how I feel about everyone. *00:00* Um and then two days later Greg texted me saying, like, hey Barrett said that you don't text me because you're worried that you know. *00:00* She was like she went like kind of maternal mode of like, you know, my not my sweet baby birdie's gonna get to the front of this line. *00:00* His uh it's a boy, I believe. *00:00* you know, their kid and his life and like, you know, is there gonna be a kind of funny birthday live stream for this child? *00:00* sociable person and I feel like I I've been decent at talking to kids. *00:00* Uh and he comes down and he's like, uh, I think your domino's just really upset about me. *00:00* half a dozen times over in the last two years, so it felt like everything that we had been doing had been like building into this moment. *00:00* Dream would be to reunite um Greg, Colin, Clements, and Goldfarb *00:00* 2014 when it was like on Xbox Games with Gold and it you know ran as well as it has ever done and now it just looks like a totally different thing. *00:00* Insane. *00:00* I when I was buying all these PS3 games, I was like, maybe I should just grab this movie too. *00:00* It's incredible. *00:00* Honestly, there's not like in any Xbox games I want to play right now. *00:00* Like what that Sony one so I can play games in 3D and uh I got the CRT *00:00* Incredible. *00:00* decades over a decade ago. *00:00* All of this. *00:00* Safe to say, maybe fair to say is better, but I think a lot of teenage boys are like, Oh yeah, a girl plays games is really cool. *00:00* Oh my gosh, that's a tough plat. *00:00* And that combat is so good. *00:00* uh reboot safety mode database rebuilds and then it would work fine for a few months. *00:00* That I genuinely Logan thinks I'm crazy, but I genuinely like the look of it more than the Death Straining one. *00:00* Oh my gosh. *00:00* It's only going to be bad for you, actually. *00:00* No, it's it's uh it's one of my favorites. *00:00* I uh that was the one I almost bought um before the newth stuff came out. *00:00* uh rough gist of that movie. *00:00* You know, I think kind of hmm. *00:00* You're big you're a big persona boy over there. *00:00* That's the second dungeon. *00:00* And I love it. *00:00* But it's not gonna mean anything. *00:00* I live for those free days where I can just go do my thing. *00:00* What and people are like, it's so worth it, you gotta do it again. *00:00* We added some stuff. *00:00* My feeling on him by the end of that game was he's like the exact kind of person that I would know but probably never want to hang out with. *00:00* what that character wants to do by the end of the game and how they present that to you and how you and that character how you and Ryushi like get there together as friends as well. *00:00* Do you did you do strikers? *00:00* Okay. *00:00* Hmm, I like the sound of that. *00:00* Look at you. *00:00* So next time I'm in Indiana I have to like smuggle these anime games in my suitcase. *00:00* And what I wrote down originally in the notes was going dark on the last of us part two, because you, sir, from my understanding, were like the polar opposite of me, where I dove in and was like, I'm gonna write a whole history about this. *00:00* That you were not uh you d uh did not care for or do not like The Last of Us Part Two. *00:00* You know, I so he wanted to play this and he played it. *00:00* Um so like I also got to take in and I try I was like I'm not gonna say anything the whole time you play. *00:00* As far as pacing goes. *00:00* them and the player who's playing it. *00:00* And just kind of thinking about, well, why did she do this? *00:00* How does that work internally? *00:00* At least from what I've seen and read and heard and and things like that, Naughty Dog has never made a game they haven't wanted to make. *00:00* Everything my my my very good friend Jared Green has said like do not talk to people like you're tweeting at them ever. *00:00* They are humans on the other side. *00:00* Like it didn't have to be related to his problems with the game, but it being a problem and hindering his experience, he's like, why does Spider-Man have to punch a big dude twice? *00:00* Uh if you'd like to follow me on Twitter, you can follow me at Max Roberts143. *00:00* But he knows. *00:00* Uh aggressive? *00:00* Odd to me. *00:00* Like to actually do I mean, I know you've hung out with Greg. *00:00* for extra life, which was very casual and and like just us sitting at a table and hanging out and chatting. *00:00* Uh and and once you just kind of get on that and just let it ride, it's it's not too bad. *00:00* Time and time. *00:00* But if it was beyond I would have done it. *00:00* The world will end and I won't be able to play any of my video games except what's saved on my hard drive, but also most games right now, like you have to be connected to an online server in order to boot them up at all. *00:00* Um it's great and I just like everything Xbox has been doing has been like so my speed of *00:00* FPS boost is like one of the greatest things that ever happen to console video games. *00:00* It is it is cool and I would have really loved to see them continue on with that. *00:00* Whatever happened in the movie. *00:00* Ori is incredible. *00:00* The Logan bought me Predator Hunting Grounds. *00:00* It's so I'm I'm just curious. *00:00* I really I want Nintendo to upgrade the Switch. *00:00* seriously the best purchase gaming purchase I've probably ever made. *00:00* You know, she's not she pff what uh I'm trying to think of those two. *00:00* He uh in my way he had like a overdo like I couldn't solve the case. *00:00* And he falls into a grinder and I'm like, oh my god! *00:00* Hopefully I don't have to buy that many PS5s. *00:00* Not the time people. *00:00* It's wild how how much power certain companies can get out of that thing. *00:00* He's a real he's a a real person, but also a written character in this story that's like happening in real time. *00:00* How much I've uh who's Troy Baker, the biker boy? *00:00* I I prefer to play Golden on the the PS TV as well, so I know th I am in the very minority of people that that think that. *00:00* an additional palace or something with one of the core characters um later on. *00:00* in the same way like I'm playing pr Persona five again, but it'll just be better in every way. *00:00* Sounds actually quite satisfying if you pull it off and you like you win that fight. *00:00* Yeah, well I'll definitely I'll probably have to snag it at some point. *00:00* And I played it my I have m my roommate played it, you know, like he doesn't play a lot of video games, like fun it's funny you mention like Red Dead One and Two. *00:00* I never cared for her too much as a character. *00:00* their approach to trying to get you to empathize with her and up to an extent. *00:00* I feel like it's fair to say it's undeniable that what they tried to do was incredibly difficult. *00:00* Make sense, like like they very subtly fill in the character gap of like, this is the kind of person this guy is, not a good one. *00:00* Oh my gosh. *00:00* Sure they could do it. *00:00* Naughty Dog has been and I think continues to be their their golden goose and now they just like have made a bunch of other golden geese. *00:00* Sony prestige video game it feels. *00:00* how so many people got so upset over The Last of Us Two. *00:00* just the toxicity in our community. *00:00* I say smaller meaning than just like their name, they are not the face of the company, so to speak, or the project. *00:00* And the anonymity of the internet has just like made that okay and it's not. *00:00* And that's honestly the healthier thing to do. *00:00* And I love I if it's not clear, I love Night Dog and their work and their games and all of this stuff. *00:00* I think that was the year that yeah, we had Jess there and Yeah. *00:00* I'd appreciate it. *00:00* And to be fair, I feel that way about Greg Miller. *00:00* way, but then uh when was this? *00:00* from whenever uh Beyond started, because that's really probably the time like Greg was ever on camera, like can see the evolution of his father over decades. *00:00* It's crazy. *00:00* Uh I will find date. *00:00* when I was looking for it was going for 70, 80 dollars. *00:00* Get rid of like this thing or or whatever. *00:00* We're six months into this five, six months into this the gen. *00:00* I like all the games I own are really games that I like there are very few that I would like never play again. *00:00* I I'm uh pr now's the time to upgrade. *00:00* I actually have the Animal Crossing 3DS Excel. *00:00* I think art direction is a big part of that. *00:00* Drives me off the wall. *00:00* Yeah, no, them in uh Play Dead and um what's that company called? *00:00* How they take their kind of that that ideal that they carry with them through the end of the game and then transform it into what they've decided to do for the rest of their life is is cool. *00:00* Yeah, su yeah, I I get the itch for Persona Four uh a lot, especially since I picked up a Vita T V this year. *00:00* Four is I could be way off here, but I feel like four is very similar to five and just kind of the basic mechanics of it. *00:00* What a f what a trailer. *00:00* Me personally, I used to s obviously it was just soaking it's up from the beginning. *00:00* never get answered and so you get this illusion of nuance without any of like the without even addressing the more interesting parts of it, I think. *00:00* It just didn't work, you know, at the end of the day. *00:00* But Naughty Dog doesn't want to make the Last of Us games for the rest of their lives. *00:00* stumbling, you know, from Ascension through God of War 2018. *00:00* And Ted asked Evan, like, you know, what do you guys want to focus on going forward? *00:00* threatening or attacking or being mean to anyone. *00:00* I because frankly, the article comes out, Jason Trier Bloomberg, he's the one that breaks the story. *00:00* I remember that's what Rocket League, the Psionics people were doing. *00:00* And I think when you are a naughty dog or a rock star you don't have to do those kinds of things. *00:00* Um we went and we got into town, you know, the night before, and I remember Locum was like, yeah, and there should be like this Alex O'Neill Pax dinner, and that was the year you didn't have an Alex O'Neill Pax dinner, and I was like, oh man. *00:00* It's very funny, yeah. *00:00* From uh Alan Wake people. *00:00* Florida is like uh its own kind of independent any well, anywhere south of Jacksonville is its own independent East Coast based country, as far as I'm concerned. *00:00* Uh Dang, what do they call it? *00:00* You know, Greg's a big reason why I do anything that I do in this space for, you know, I think a lot of people he's been that. *00:00* Um and so while that project was wrapping up, uh, I was able to go out there and like spend a few days with him. *00:00* Makes sense that like I grew up trading games and you know, like GameStop and for me Babbage's was like such a it was such an important trip to the mall, you know. *00:00* I'm so pumped. *00:00* I hear Crackin' Time is really great, but I heard Into the Nexus was kind of mediocre. *00:00* Um I my Xbox looks cool. *00:00* Halo being delayed really kind of put a damper on the Xbox launch for me, 'cause that's like what I wanted to play. *00:00* Yeah. *00:00* I'm sure that's fine. *00:00* Yeah. *00:00* threads in the story that made those those lines more personal, right? *00:00* like moment where you feel like it was all building to a point for me. *00:00* At that point, I didn't care, and I think it was a it was a lot of combat before then that I realized that I didn't care, and then I just had to do more of it, so that just they sensitized me more to it. *00:00* And it's so crazy. *00:00* And I'm the other way around. *00:00* It sounds on paper it sounds so gimmicky. *00:00* Once the internet is like this is what it is, you can't tell them that they're wrong even if they are, so Yeah, they you will never bounce back from that. *00:00* Because if anything, if anything, you'll get a deal on the current thing. *00:00* I bought a Vita back in the day from a coworker when I worked at a uh a a sushi restaurant. *00:00* There's nothing I could do. *00:00* Royal. *00:00* Oh, this feels like it meets the tone of this, or this feels like it meets the the world that Persona 5 has built. *00:00* At the end of the day, like Abby is just a bully, you know? *00:00* Cause like my feeling coming into The Last of Us Part 1 is like I didn't want a sequel to Last of Us because I thought it would have to be a story about the consequences for what Joel did. *00:00* It is so kinda again, Evan Wells, he just did this interview on like Game Maker's Notebook with uh Ted Price, Insomniac, back to Ratchet and Clank. *00:00* Any any update. *00:00* It it might be another eight before we see GTA six because they just don't need to care or they can take all the time they want. *00:00* That's the twist. *00:00* I can't I can't even risk inviting more people and I think that was also after like something terrible had happened in twenty eighteen or whatever. *00:00* Just don't tell her about David Cage. *00:00* And so I I bought this Vita from I forget for how much and uh went out to a GameStop *00:00* The only game they had on the shelf was Persona 4 Golden. *00:00* So I I struggled with that quite a bit. *00:00* Well I think they I think they expected that for two because they I hope so. *00:00* Now all they see is a headline and a Twitter article tweeted from an IGN or a Polygon or a Kotaku. *00:00* Uh there's other there's more to it than this and making a game a new original game. *00:00* Especially Especially to do it on the air, then everyone w could find your mother. *00:00* Not that like we talk about that a lot, but you know, he's just a very good friend. *00:00* Ordered 200 McNuggets from McDonald's. *00:00* Physically? *00:00* No, I that stuff bums me out. *00:00* inventory and breaking weapons on Twitter because this is gonna sell like gagbusters, y'all. *00:00* Or, you know, what is it? *00:00* I mean the PS5's already setting its sights on the PS4, you know. *00:00* I feel like you I remember, so this is this is what I remember, is because I went with Logan, uh Logan Moore, Michael Rees, and and uh Chris Compendio and *00:01* I would I'd be so scared. *00:01* They're always a good Digital Foundry video comparing the two and seeing the pros and cons of each. *00:01* I will say there was the coolest thing that I think I've seen with the controller, 'cause like I I enjoyed Astros Playroom a lot. *00:01* Like the c I it's not the game's fault, um I but it is kind of ironic that this is the game that like kind of started these symptoms. *00:01* Man, so good. *00:01* I uh I fe I feel like a lesser fan, if that makes any sense. *00:01* It's i the the you see the the how the games change and evolve and I I like them all individually, even though, you know, like Persona 3 mechanically is is like a *00:01* And no one ever like no one ever says there's never any like *00:01* And I th I think they really tried to kind of emulate that on some level of k this really big and hard *00:01* Like, all of the subtle character things that I've been seeing just make me feel like you're an asshole and not that you care about anyone. *00:01* Like the internet has ruined nuance conversation. *00:01* This is it's not it's not the platform to have a discussion about anything, especially such a and in the end *00:01* Yeah, see, like I get it, you know. *00:01* I don't know. *00:01* What it and there's so much weird just about all of that in general, but like I think do we do we record everything before that or after that? *00:01* The thumbs up, smiling, you're like, It'll be it'll be fine And then I open the door and there's Greg Miller who's like This is crazy. *00:01* People I've seen a lot of people say that uh what's what is the feature on Xbox called Quick Resume. *00:01* That's good dude. *00:01* I I I think I lost it in my move. *00:01* And if it if he does, I'll I'll pick it up for him. *00:01* Oh, really? *00:01* I wish that when you switched to her in the beginning, you played all the way through the the switch. *00:01* But like, you know, I I've seen this story before. *00:01* People who have been paying attention to the feed may think, didn't this Alex O'Neill guy just do a show? *00:01* Slow slow down everybody, please. *00:01* Burpees over here. *00:01* I've only bought two, but well, I had a launch PS4 that like died within the first three months. *00:01* Stand out on weaker hardware proves that art direction is just as important as raw horsepower. *00:01* That's very specific. *00:01* That's another deep cut. *00:01* Like I played the Persona 4 Arena and Persona 4 Arena Ultimax, which is super great because like in Ultimax you get to see the grown-up versions of all the Persona 3 characters. *00:01* I do like baton pass. *00:01* He met he met the wheel. *00:01* I was so happy to see a game, a third person shooter that's like, we're just gonna not have you fight as much. *00:01* Um I'm excited for them and I I I personally think like I've I've always gotten along well with like I can c I feel like I'm a very *00:01* And Insomniac may I mean they just were bought, you know, after Spider-Man. *00:01* the feedback in it, those triggers, those ugh, it's so good. *00:01* Very good. *00:01* Great performance is grimmers. *00:01* It's like a great game. *00:01* We only do it every other week, so you can catch that. *00:01* So in there somewhere. *00:01* It's so good. *00:01* It's so good. *00:01* I know. *00:01* It was actually also the first time I ever uh had everyone survive. *00:01* You know, like there are people out there that do that, and it's just different than us, you know. *00:01* The Wii. *00:01* It it Persona 5, like the original version, feels almost like a neutered version of that story because I know how it is told in this other version, right? *00:01* Just know that there's more to play and more to see. *00:01* I still have the the collector's edition box. *00:01* Me too, dude. *00:01* I I kinda know. *00:01* We obviously are in the thick of it right now. *00:01* I wanted to do the beeps, but I didn't want to ask because it it's like, alright, I'm encroaching now. *00:01* Um so like, you know, I've just been playing Tomb Raider twenty thirteen, remastered the Xbox One version of that at sixty FPS now. *00:01* Uh I I would really it's one of those things of like, you know, are we just gonna see it in first party Sony games or not? *00:01* It was Peter Spasia. *00:01* I play um I play Ultimate Frisbee with a bunch of people and um one of them is Just throw around a switch, you know? *00:01* It's just the the the remedy vibe is is exciting. *00:01* Yeah, if you're going to get to stage ten and a social ink in in Persona three and it's a female character, it's going to be romantic, you know. *00:01* So like it's super satisfying to play in a way that I think four and five aren't, you know? *00:01* And Abby has her own kind of set of stuff that you have to figure out and and do. *00:01* God, what if that was like the reveal? *00:01* I've only ever had I'm ruined by it, but I don't know. *00:01* Like, oh what are we gonna talk about next? *00:01* I got that one and my first, which is Batman Arkham Asylum, back to back. *00:01* And so when Hitman 2 came out with the sniping missions, he was like, I want this. *00:01* I think Jedi Fallen Order was also coming out somewhat close. *00:01* Yeah. *00:01* Uh but you can look and see that there's like seventy-five percent more encounters than Abby's playthrough versus Ellie's and I can tell you I could just l point show this next to each other like there's too much fighting in the second half of this game. *00:01* And I just thought what they they just flubbed it. *00:01* It is there's like there's no you know, Twitter *00:01* Oh my gosh. *00:01* And then the next day he was like, Do you want to be on kind of the games daily? *00:01* Like the the the beyond uh era I grew up on. *00:01* I'm like, I can't save you. *00:01* A heart a heart crushing game, but it certainly gorgeous. *00:01* Because uh I when I sit down to play a TV game I know I'm like committed to it instead of a portable game where I can put it down. *00:01* It's it it wraps itself around you and you don't even realize. *00:01* This is another thing of like it it's in that same category of like it's not gonna feel like a hundred hours type deal of like I can tell you that, but those words aren't don't mean anything without context, I think. *00:01* I swear this Shin Megami Tensei is not a drug. *00:01* Like and you are in my way. *00:01* Those are my feelings about the last of us part two. *00:01* Nice and disappointing in the meat space. *00:01* I actually she moved recently to be close to the water, so she might I have not been two away depending on which coast. *00:01* Keep the keep this is what'll happen. *00:01* It's it's it seems like a thing, A, that Greg would maybe think about doing, but B also a thing that Greg m maybe shouldn't do. *00:01* It feels like the responsible thing to do. *00:01* I rehearsed the uh the the thin, the line uh like twenty three times. *00:01* I don't know. *00:01* You're you sh you probably will like it to like incentivize me to play. *00:01* And I was like, well, if I'm gonna beat this, I'm just gonna have to drop it to easy. *00:01* But like I also the the kind of redemption arc that she goes on of like I'm gonna help these kids because I feel bad about killing Joel like *00:01* Like deal with the fact that maybe like I watched a movie with my friend and he had a tattoo that w hurt the most 'cause it was fresh and like it hurt most of the time so he didn't really like it. *00:01* It is this is not a negative thing I'm trying to I'm trying to compliment you. *00:01* Oh. *00:01* Yeah. *00:01* Do you have a Series X? *00:01* Like when I buy a game it is a permanent relationship. *00:01* Oh my gosh, it's insane. *00:01* Uh it it sounds like I can't I will eventually get there. *00:01* She bought two-point hospital. *00:01* I'm thinking about it. *00:01* Crunch and crackle and like die and sound would come out of the speakers and it was like, what is going on here? *00:01* So I I've bought four of the like 150 million PS4s out there. *00:01* It's mostly Last of Us, but there's an uncharted statue in there. *00:01* Which I'm like, come on, Rockstar. *00:01* Like Alan Wake was in that for a while, you know. *00:01* Congratulations. *00:01* One's my fault, one's game design fault. *00:01* I think that's what you should you should just play Persona 4 Golden and if you you know, like see if you can even go back to that game after playing five because you just might not be able to. *00:01* But people thought Uncharted Four was long. *00:01* Like I hate this level of conversation. *00:01* Like I'm sending a tweet. *00:01* Don't like if you're having a bad one, don't be like, I'm gonna make a thread about this. *00:01* net or just go to chasing the stick. *00:01* Uh and now the man's gonna be a dad, which is just gonna be. *00:01* And it doesn't help that um from now through October, Abby and I have uh friends, couples in our lives. *00:01* These quarantine babies are popping the f off. *00:01* Uh I think the last game that I like traded in were PS4 launch games. *00:01* Yeah, I like I played that first game like the day it came out just because like one of my brothers got it for me for my birthday because I thought I would like it. *00:01* Oh yeah. *00:01* Woo-hoo. *00:01* They're all really good. *00:01* Figure it out. *00:01* Rock Sap clearly only cares about GTA and Red Dead now. *00:01* Oh my gosh. *00:01* I have a buddy who's trying to collect all of the persona games. *00:01* Yeah. *00:01* They have mu of multiple projects in pre-production right now. *00:01* Or especially those community managers that just do not get paid enough to do that. *00:01* And when GTA five comes to PS5 and Xbox Series X later this year. *00:01* One one GTA. *00:01* Get over. *00:01* Just if you're out there like, oh, Alex hasn't texted me in six months. *00:01* If you could just give this to Greg, uh I'd really appreciate it. *00:01* Uh I'm curious how like uh forthcoming they'll be about sharing like pictures of *00:01* Yeah. *00:01* Uh Battlefield Four and Assassin's Creed Four were the last games I ever traded in in twenty t fourteen. *00:01* I think all games running better is so great. *00:01* Oh my god. *00:01* This has been October 2018, I would have guessed. *00:01* And so you have to accept that when you buy it and think, I'll just upgrade eventually, like, or I'll get the PS6 or or or whatever. *00:01* But then you gotta think about those people that exist totally out separate of the ecosystem that we do, right? *00:01* It it's like we thought about what these characters want and what these characters are like and we wanted to make *00:01* It's like I I like a persona. *00:01* Like I'm I'm probably in the in the way that you like have that appreciation for an Augdy Dog, like this has undone a lot of that. *00:01* So I like never talk about it or think about it or guilt myself out of it all the time. *00:02* This is the nightmare. *00:02* It's insane. *00:02* Yeah, I'm I've never held a baby either. *00:02* But when it was infamous Second Sun and Titanfall 1, like it was such a it was such a different conversation than it is now. *00:02* The movie I I I am not surprised n never happened, but I think I think that project was killed. *00:02* Oh yeah, it's the best. *00:02* Got it hooks in her. *00:02* I yeah, I love I I don't know what started the whole why I bought so many PS4 tangent, but I've bought a lot though. *00:02* Yeah, whatever gets. *00:02* Yes. *00:02* That was the day I that was like the same day I had met him, yeah, I think. *00:02* And the fact that there is so much in that back half of that game, I definitely *00:02* And no. *00:02* Um absolutely they could. *00:02* Great great series of interviews led by Brian W. *00:02* Yeah, exactly. *00:02* Yeah. *00:02* Oh my gosh. *00:02* I'm pumped for Gotham Knights. *00:02* Yeah, Red Dead Redemption 2 on PS4. *00:02* That's all I'm gonna say to those people. *00:02* I mean, actually, if I played it again, I'd choose Makoto, I think, like as actual, but uh Kawakami is who I chose. *00:02* You play a lot of old games, so you're probably fine with it. *00:02* I've got art above the door. *00:02* It's a good pace, you're enjoying it and you're really kind of sucked into what you're doing. *00:02* And it's hard, definitely. *00:02* And there's a lot of things that can developers do to pay the bills that a lot of people don't know. *00:02* It was all official. *00:02* Uh you are too, Max. *00:02* And then I haven't talked. *00:02* It yeah, that was that was crazy too of like, you know on top of that I have like twenty of my closest friends. *00:02* We're gonna have to slow down here if you know. *00:02* It looks nice. *00:02* Oh my gosh. *00:02* It'll be cheaper than buying a slim or or whatever. *00:02* Like you like like persona, but I love love persona. *00:02* It should have just been something I played for fun. *00:02* Yeah. *00:02* And Persona 5 is 100 to 130 hours, right? *00:02* If I'm at like a retro store, you know, a mom and grop shop as a mom and grap shop, yeah. *00:02* I mean not that not that that guitar scene would change your mind about the game, but that's that's interesting that you missed that. *00:02* Like like Dina at no point ever kind of I think confronts Ellie before we're way too late for that. *00:02* And whether or not you agree with those people, Neil or Halle Gross or Troy Baker or even uh the smaller people that *00:02* Alex O'Neill stamp of approval. *00:02* Yeah. *00:02* Anyway, I he graciously accepted my uh invitation to come on the show and we talked and stuff. *00:02* And then once we kind of got going, I was I was nervous at the beginning. *00:02* Deep down. *00:02* Swear the bits are here! *00:02* But that first game, you know, like I'm glad it was remade, you know. *00:02* Oh my god. *00:02* Uh you're telling me when I throw the Leviathan axe and it flies back into my hand, it's gonna like *00:02* I I think doing it what is 2017 was four years ago. *00:02* Abby doesn't want any any of any part in this situation. *00:02* We're gonna we're gonna roll with Claire. *00:02* This new purple switch light. *00:02* Because then I get whatever those upgrades are. *00:02* Yeah. *00:02* Yeah. *00:02* Yeah, that's pretty common, I think. *00:02* I new music's very good too, I'll say. *00:02* Yeah. *00:02* I wrote kind of this blog post about I think the title of it, I'll put it in the show notes, it was like two hundred and c two hundred and eighty characters is not enough. *00:02* Uh I, you know, I I've I Greg's been on m my podcast, on a Rational Passions podcast, which was like more of like a kind of interview segment with everybody. *00:02* Um but yeah, like wh after the the the kind of opening and like just getting in the flow of things, uh I was just having it was just fun. *00:02* There's I'm done getting rid of things I'm not gonna like I I'm I'm I am where you were at almost a decade ago. *00:02* Yeah. *00:02* Like like persona, uh like uh Splunky Two, like, you know. *00:02* I'm gonna start feeling really bad for people that go out and buy switches like in the fall and all this stuff. *00:02* But earlier this year, when they announce especially when they announced the Mario Switch, I was like, these guys out here are gonna announce a Zelda switch. *00:02* Yeah, definitely. *00:02* Yeah. *00:02* She is an actress doing a role and I I think her acting was *00:02* It it's just this this is how people are we're f we're fickle fins that you know, it just we're not gonna like fins and we are gonna like some things at at the end of the day. *00:02* Sony was like, guess what guys? *00:02* If I interact with them, I get very excited and I get very in my head about *00:02* And it it just got the 60 FPS boost. *00:02* I th I platinum Thieves in Time last October because I was like, I mean if I don't do it now, I'm strictly never gonna do it once load times aren't a thin. *00:02* I could just play that all day. *00:02* Xbox is my exclusive console, and I play everything else on my PlayStation. *00:02* Everyone's still holding on to the six axis. *00:02* Which is really good, I think. *00:02* And it's cool cause he I thought I was being very thorough, but you know, like I missed the guitar scene *00:02* But like, on top of all this, like, all of the more hard to answer questions from The Last of Us Part One that should have been answered, like *00:02* Yeah, it was this it was like the supports team within Sony that wanted to be bigger and *00:02* net. *00:02* I'm not like determined. *00:02* I sold my entire PS3 collection for an Xbox One terabyte. *00:02* Yeah. *00:02* Uh I think like there definitely been a lot of not great ones of those games. *00:02* Um, Indiana Jones, are you kidding me? *00:02* It feels so good in the hand. *00:02* It's yeah. *00:02* It's it it is good because she I uh I forget who I talked about this with. *00:02* And then my P is it started having like hard I don't know hard drive issues. *00:02* It's really not hard, you guys. *00:02* Yeah. *00:02* And you can level up your baton pass, you can also level up your technical skill. *00:02* Like for me, you know, you can look at the the I love I'll say like the checkpoint system lets you like the chapter system lets you just choose *00:02* Like they spend all of that game telling you about like all of her story, telling you showing you Abby's relationship with her father, showing you why this mattered, showing you why she would be so full of hatred. *00:02* Like and how big a deal she's gonna be in two of 'em. *00:02* I it's just a different it whatever it is, whatever is the thing, like, Nabishan has a great er he we him and I talked about it in a great capacity of like *00:02* This is just me talking to my friend. *00:02* Went with the Dual Shockers people. *00:02* What's this control? *00:02* She's in uh Orlando area. *00:02* And Greg has this uncanny ability to remember everyone. *00:02* Do you wait, you said you have the all digital? *00:02* Uh and I mean games still get better every generation. *00:02* And she did. *00:02* So that's all I've bought I've bought a lot of PS4s, and this is not on purpose. *00:02* It's a comedy dramedy, I guess. *00:02* I didn't want to see it because I think that story is way more interesting if you don't know exactly what happens in it. *00:02* When when you switch to controlling when you switched to control Abby the first time in the game. *00:02* What? *00:02* Yeah, at the end of the day, what are we even talking about? *00:02* Yeah, like um Remedy is another good example. *00:02* Like I'm gonna start I'm gonna start tweeting through it. *00:02* And and this is the true story. *00:02* Uh it's a very different kind of stress uh yes in that it's much less stressful for me at least. *00:02* Yeah. *00:02* Like it was way more of a bummer last time around too, 'cause like when it was Killzone not killzone, uh *00:02* I just need to do this. *00:02* Cause it's it's cool in the moment and Astro definitely um shows you the gimmicky side of it. *00:02* But there was a part at the end where I want to say Claire. *00:02* They they know how to optimize as well as Capcom, we would see, you know. *00:02* I mean really the Switch is setting its sights on the PS2. *00:02* I have like three of them, so oh my gosh, you gold mine over there. *00:02* Oh my gosh. *00:02* And so I've been that game's been on my mind a lot today in particular. *00:02* And but I think also even before then they're setting up j who Jill is just with every every conversation he has with Tess, every conversation he has with *00:02* Uh it's back when we had dreams and ambitions of being video game journalists, like, you know, big time, real real job. *00:02* After I did the letter, whatever, he came to Florida with him. *00:02* It's hard to connect with those people. *00:02* Like like it's we but it's weird to think within those bounds of like now this other meat person is also a f a vehicle for my entertainment, right? *00:02* Yeah, I just so the previous episode I just did uh to kind of really tie it all into this is with uh a guy named Casey Liss. *00:02* I will find the date and you uh you tell me because I honestly don't remember. *00:02* Yeah, I I'm wholly impressed with with everything. *00:02* Yeah. *00:02* Probably. *00:02* It's not? *00:02* And please, please leave it that way. *00:02* Are you like that? *00:02* And I I think it's interesting to hear you um your perspective on the game and your experience with it because *00:02* Just not n it didn't all come together for me. *00:02* I think the remaster thing will be like what holds them uh gets their engine on PS5, which I think is why you haven't seen a part two update for PS5, like Ghost or God of War Ratchet or anything. *00:02* But also like I I'm a big fan of Critical Role and they did a series of interviews. *00:02* Uh there will be links uh to his kind of uh Alex's kind of funny debut in here as well. *00:02* And if you want to know more about The Last of Us Part 2 and writing and Naughty Dog, you can check out Chasing the Stick. *00:02* Yeah. *00:02* Which packs these? *00:02* He will remember everyone and everything. *00:02* Once I I I I was talking to my friend Andrew Taylor about this recently of 'cause he's uh *00:02* Episode one of this show. *00:02* And so it's kind of in my it actually Arkham Asylum I didn't finish because it totally my PS4 brick died. *00:02* I'm like, I promise I just put it there for a second. *00:02* Oh, it took you three years. *00:02* So just look at it that way. *00:02* Juness, like come on guy. *00:02* And and while I'll say about Persona 5 Royal, one of the there's just infinite number of mechanical changes they made to iterate on Persona 5 to Royal, but *00:02* Yeah. *00:02* If I to convince you that this is like, wow, what a great game. *00:02* I and and that's an example of I think player alignment with the character motive of I at least I personally was like *00:02* Game came out only s eight years ago. *00:02* No. *00:02* Yeah. *00:02* I'm not a very confrontational person. *00:02* 'Cause I just I'll never use this. *00:02* Like can we space these out a little bit more please? *00:02* It was I'm glad what we ended up talking about was what we ended up talking about and it was just fun. *00:02* I'm like, how is this possible? *00:02* I'm super stoked for that. *00:02* I'm excited to see where they're going. *00:02* Um then my dad got super into Hitman. *00:02* It will not come back. *00:02* Uh it's up it's up there somewhere. *00:02* Mario Odyssey, I think the only thing that'll look outdated in that game is the people. *00:02* I just I like I the amount of times I saw people have that conversation of is this or is this not too long of like *00:02* And having them do it also makes sense from a business perspective. *00:02* Like to use as as honest a word as I think I can. *00:02* They were making Sly Cooper 5 this whole time. *00:02* I do I do want to give I think a big part of it was because that game was not running very well on whatever hardware they were using. *00:02* Diversion. *00:02* I'm so I'm I believe it is his son or whatever. *00:02* I do. *00:02* Sure, sure. *00:02* I did not I did not watch that state of play. *00:02* I didn't play Blind Forest. *00:02* Like I'm just you know you know, just play these silly things on there. *00:02* I'm so pumped for There's gonna be like two more of those games. *00:02* That's for me. *00:02* But also it's just like how Troy Baker, how Neil Druckmann, how all these people carried themselves around the criticism, The Last of Us Part II. *00:02* There's more important things going on. *00:02* All above board. *00:03* Well that's a important part. *00:03* It's fine. *00:03* That was that was a important moment for me and probably me alone. *00:03* If this could you imagine if Thieves in Time could like get the technology of today *00:03* Yeah, I mean I do too. *00:03* I'm hoping they do what they did with the new 3D SXL. *00:03* Yeah. *00:03* Second of eight, I believe. *00:03* Not because the game's bad, but I just would I would switch to something else. *00:03* Yeah, it came out in twenty thirty it came out the same year as The Last of Us. *00:03* And it's like that's how that's just how it is, you know, like somebody could see a movie that everybody likes but like an actor has a weird accent or a wig in it. *00:03* Um if you if you want to follow me on Twitter, I don't tweet that much anymore, uh, but I'm Alph under 27. *00:03* Tell them, hey, can you even do this? *00:03* And um that'd be fun. *00:03* And I know more games are coming. *00:03* Yeah, yeah. *00:03* She was playing it uh earlier. *00:03* Oh, is it the refrigerator thing? *00:03* I honestly I don't know about more powerful, but um I mean eventually, sure, but uh definitely they're gonna make a slimmer one. *00:03* I get the Zelda, I get the new, it'll be great. *00:03* The other day he dropped a Max Payne 3 reference. *00:03* Very specific games. *00:03* So I there's reasons to play the Persona spin-offs, but it's nothing like Golden or Persona 3 Fez or Royal. *00:03* You know, like in in once I realized like very early on that that's what that game is about, I was like, oh *00:03* And I could say that a lot of things. *00:03* I did that in air quotes. *00:03* I'm like, do not talk to me like this. *00:03* Yeah, I like it and even like hearing about this remake, like how much people are already like, make something new. *00:03* Sounds right. *00:03* Greg came to your house for Pete's sake, you guys stream video games for uh for charity, right? *00:03* It's and maybe next time when you're on there with blessing. *00:03* When they said they were shutting everything down, that's like that kick started me like *00:03* I think their dedication to Ratchet and continuing to make it like rock solid is *00:03* It's totally ruined my um like check Twitter while it game loads. *00:03* Yeah, I'm probably only ever gonna do this once, realistically, so I'm happy to do it here. *00:03* Now Pokemon Snap. *00:03* I t so I y I typically so when we play decision games like that, we make decisions together, unless I've played it before. *00:03* I had a lot of time when I was a kid. *00:03* I'm not saying it'll be that drastic, but there's definitely gonna be a slim up in here. *00:03* There'd be a part like these he's broken up into phases and I'd get to this phase where I'd send off a a partner to like go distract it or or to hit it or do whatever. *00:03* You save the zebra. *00:03* Obviously not true. *00:03* Um that way. *00:03* I think I sent him an email just like, hey, I wrote this naughty dog history thing. *00:03* Mom and grop shop. *00:03* Uh, I did think I do think I switched it back to 4K sixty so I could sync it with my lights. *00:03* So I I think I tried like Forza Horizon 3 just to see what that game looked like. *00:03* Uh or whatever. *00:03* Yeah. *00:03* Yeah, exactly. *00:03* Like Golden is as it for some folks better than Persona 5, and and that's a great game. *00:03* But if if you're especially if you're not feeling it or enjoying it for whatever reason *00:03* Especially someone like Owen, who is like just a bad guy, and I like that they kind of make him out to be a good dude, but he's just not a good dude. *00:03* I I mean I we I'd love to do that again, obviously, but *00:03* Yeah. *00:03* Yeah. *00:03* The soundtrack in that game is like and I had forgotten all these things and like that's kind of the black sheep of of that that four game franchise. *00:03* Uh we're gonna make 3D audio and we're gonna have like haptic feedback and adaptive triggers. *00:03* I just don't want them to do it this year to save my wallet. *00:03* It's great. *00:03* Uh excuse me, or Gamekiller. *00:03* Of course it is. *00:03* Unless it's a pro. *00:03* How long and that was with an established IP on a console they already knew how to make a game for because of Uncharted. *00:03* Like he should be able to punch all of these people out with one hit. *00:03* Well thank you. *00:03* Now you've done the thing. *00:03* I've thought about it in a way too of like and it it's a thin with you know parasocial relationships has been a very popular topic on the social medias. *00:03* I so I've definitely put more time into my PlayStation, you know, between Spider-Man and um now Returnal, Resident Evil, I've got uh *00:03* I I got to there's like a conveyor belt sequence, I believe, and he just gets hit in the head and he's done. *00:03* The the new leaf one with the little pot the pop-tart, as I like to call it. *00:03* Like totally screwed out of p possibly being modern in any sense. *00:03* The game is so good. *00:03* They're just different things. *00:03* Yeah, I just think that game is just A, it's too long. *00:03* But it definitely has a different vibe and feel. *00:03* And I think that like where the the two stories split off i is kind of an interesting point. *00:03* And then it just it takes the first plot of that game and completely subverts it in the best Hideo Kojima way to imaginable. *00:03* And it but you know, it it's the other side of like Troy Baker tweeting at at games journalists saying like you you guys should be nicer because obviously it's been hard for them. *00:03* I think it was just because if I'm thinking *00:03* They were gonna have the last of us there in twenty twenty. *00:03* And that was like a thing of where I like, Hey, you know, you said to ask and I'm asking, hey, do you need somebody for this? *00:03* Like I just worry about something that's probably more important right now. *00:03* Me and my roommates still re still yelled at each other for no reason. *00:03* Holy smokes. *00:03* Uh so like that's another thread, you know, in the control of us. *00:03* You love persona. *00:03* You're like you're gonna be here for a few hours. *00:03* And I I do understand, no spoilers, but I do understand that there's like a *00:03* Persona 5 is the only collector's edition I've bought in the last ten years, so um I still have that, so I'll I'm happy with that. *00:03* Yeah. *00:03* He actually helped finish the Apple campus, like their their spaceship out there. *00:03* Not just stature. *00:03* And it's like, okay, I'm not only going to enjoy this, but also play it at a higher frame rate, which is *00:03* Yeah, that was the same for with me too. *00:03* Uh I promise, you know. *00:03* Oh, so very much. *00:03* And the reasons for that are very similar to the reasons I would tell someone to play uh Persona 5 Royal over *00:03* Uh but move. *00:03* Literally the one I hadn't checked. *00:03* Uh, and they're all bad, and so they don't really go far to make her more interesting. *00:03* Why didn't anyone talk about the fact that the Fireflies were treating Joel like garbage and they were acting like a bunch of c convict murdering bullies? *00:03* As someone talking about video games way back then, like it was just a different time for Sony back then. *00:03* Yeah, that's exactly like that's my stance of life, and I understand so many people are people are gonna just totally disagree with me, and it's fine, you guys. *00:03* What do you what do you think of like I'm what are we? *00:03* You know, like we just put out a new box. *00:03* But I went back and saved him. *00:03* It's like, oh come on. *00:03* That's really all that it needs to do. *00:03* It is not bat compatible on Xbox. *00:03* But what's great is just another layer of the the control verse in the AWE DLC, in the Alan Wake DLC, that *00:03* It's no real smooth segue for this one, but who really cares? *00:03* This is where I struggle with the hundred and twenty hours. *00:03* I picked up some d w uh, it's in my closet. *00:03* Like I'm all in. *00:03* So uh but y you know, maybe I'll I'll play it again at some point, but like it's just not my bag and *00:03* Normally like I'll play a game and he'll watch. *00:03* I've watched The Walking Dead. *00:03* com. *00:03* Um, which is a privilege, obviously. *00:03* Pump the brakes. *00:03* You're so you you're all in, I'm all in. *00:03* And I've I've gone back and bought physical versions of digital games because uh *00:03* I've been thinking about that actually quite because because Ratchet is coming out, they're really the only 3D mascot platformer, at least from the like the PS t the the PS2 era, that is still kicking. *00:03* Yeah. *00:03* I just a Gotham Nights looks really fun. *00:03* But I remember I took I like it it's normally like it was at the time like tucked on my desk behind my TV and I took it out and put it on the ground to record this video of it freaking out. *00:03* It's like, oh is it the time to get in? *00:03* Just pay just pay the band. *00:03* I think everyone's great in that game is the thing. *00:03* Um but it's more than that because i it's you know you're just gonna get m more scenes with these characters. *00:03* Great trailer. *00:03* And I think I think a lot of that still lingers over it and they really I mean, actually the day we're recording this Uncharted Four is five years old today. *00:03* Like it it is such a interesting and unique approach to storytelling and I like it conceptually, I just don't like how they executed on it. *00:03* They were doing the bunch of game support before Rocket League made it big. *00:03* 0 that I don't like, you know. *00:03* All the cutscenes would play with the character models all messed up and it looked terrible. *00:03* And then you put it into your twenty-five-year-old PlayStation 5, and then it says please connect to an L9 server in order to launch this game. *00:03* So and even like stuff like Returnal doesn't do anything like that. *00:03* I'm hopeful. *00:03* It it's I think for people that really enjoy this hobby and are super into it, like you and I are, being there at launch is just something super exciting and fun. *00:03* And I'm like, I'm gonna buy the Zelda Switch. *00:03* There I mean so Origami King, not a great *00:03* It's their loss. *00:03* Um and I love Persona 3. *00:03* Yeah. *00:03* You can't not romance them, so and people get jealous of you. *00:03* Life tips with Alex O'Neill. *00:03* The 2020 one? *00:03* Tangent diversion. *00:03* Obviously if he didn't want to talk about his kids, I wouldn't have done it. *00:03* I b you know I'm an adult now. *00:03* It's I don't know how they do it, but it's what it feels like. *00:03* Yeah, it's almost like the Vita but people want it. *00:03* He's just a cartoon man in a real world for some of that game. *00:03* It's very good. *00:03* Hopefully. *00:03* And uh I always thought that the game would look better on the TV anyway *00:03* And and that that is the complete opposite of the feeling that I had when Abby was like, you're my people. *00:03* I w I the br the technical, like businessy brain side of me is like *00:03* They had part two concept and drafted and written up right after part one. *00:03* And b people just tweeted them the most disgusting and horrible and horrific things. *00:03* I am not afraid to mute. *00:03* I a lot of my tweets are just like back and forth. *00:03* He's just your friend. *00:04* Blessing will take over kind of funny and then Greg Jr. *00:04* I've never held a baby though. *00:04* Seriously. *00:04* And but even that, like e even those first three games, like going commando is like questionable, I think. *00:04* What back in the g back in the good old days. *00:04* Um man, what's Naughty Dog gonna do with like this new tech? *00:04* There's there's no other company I love so much and am so disappointed in. *00:04* Uh she w got some gift cards to Target and she *00:04* Uh maybe maybe it would be if I uh when I go back someday. *00:04* And that's just for a first run through. *00:04* Why do I need to pick up Royal instead? *00:04* I hopefully I can get one of those steel cases still because the Persona 5 steel case is still I think my favorite steel case ever. *00:04* He was like, yeah, I won't I need those. *00:04* It is long. *00:04* Abby essentially gets away with it and *00:04* And Yeah, like the go the goal that I think they set out to do of like make you care about these two characters. *00:04* Like I am I obviously have all these thoughts and feelings about it. *00:04* You can read uh the history of Naughty Dog during the PS4 era. *00:04* I'm trying to remember what happened there. *00:04* I was a part of that team then. *00:04* Control was there. *00:04* And I didn't like try to go upstairs and knock on the door and say, Let me in, let me in. *00:04* Uh Do you really quick, do you know how expensive those games are now? *00:04* Yeah, she we did uh Detroit Become Human, so she was familiar with their work. *00:04* Or I'm sorry, 3DS. *00:04* Like that's just the wor world we live in now where people just really love video games. *00:04* I'm so on and off, I swear. *00:04* Like seen whenever you get to it, it'll just be great when it's there. *00:04* I fit in, right? *00:04* It was the stuff about um the Days Gon developers and how they they they were going to make a Last Fest remake and they were like, we don't want to *00:04* I think we covered it. *00:04* Right? *00:04* You can't escape it. *00:04* Um and plus what was super satisfying about it was we talked so much about the Xbox stuff and *00:04* I did, I I've reached the peak I later. *00:04* I used to think like, oh, I'm gonna find a gamer girl to be my my girlfriend and uh she'll play games with me and stuff. *00:04* So it initially I was like, Gotham Knights, I don't want to play a co-op Batman game. *00:04* It will not boot. *00:04* Yeah. *00:04* Same thing happened to Persona 3 Portable for me. *00:04* Let me convince you that you're wrong. *00:04* Interest that's interesting. *00:04* That would and they've always been I think they're been *00:04* I don't know what it's called or whatever. *00:04* It's it's always like it it's funny 'cause Greg is like one of those people that it's not like that, right? *00:04* It it is a merit to the folks like Greg that they *00:04* But like big stuff. *00:04* There's one um d do you remember the trophy where you have to open every map in the game? *00:04* And Halo, obviously. *00:04* It was the first time I'd ever gotten into anything like that. *00:04* He's like, I have a PS4. *00:04* I just thought exactly what they did with it was super not anything I cared about. *00:04* He must be a good guy. *00:04* I think people forget quite often that other people make games. *00:04* We know what's happening. *00:04* I've texted him winning recipes at two o'clock in the morning and he's been fine about it. *00:04* For for a hot minute there it was everyone was getting married and that was doable and now it's like everyone's having kids and it's like, oh goodness. *00:04* Executive producer. *00:04* Sly collection, still like 80 bucks. *00:04* And I I kinda like the idea of that. *00:04* But just tell me, what's up with the Royal? *00:04* Like I played Persona Q, the first one, uh, and I've never played an Etryan Odyssey game, you know, for point of reference where you're like drawing the map and and whatnot. *00:04* Like you go spend time. *00:04* And I also have the itch to replay that game, uh, one and two. *00:04* Not that I don't like that game anymore, it's just like *00:04* Foster. *00:04* Like it's just a game. *00:04* Because I haven't spoken to you um long term like the you know, long form, as it were, as the kids say, uh since PAX East. *00:04* So like I just didn't pursue that for a long time. *00:04* And then he said and he said, you could never do that. *00:04* Anybody that's met Greg knows that he has like this ability that once he he kinda starts going, he just puts you at ease. *00:04* So that made the the jump to digital a lot easier for me. *00:04* I have not finished the Wolfenstein games. *00:04* Returnal is nuts. *00:04* She's put over four hundred hours in Animal Crossing. *00:04* Like she knows what she likes, and I'm all here for it. *00:04* It's a pandemic, right? *00:04* I d I definitely know that Golden is the one that's supposed to be played over just base Persona Four. *00:04* It is I I seriously *00:04* It's like I love these games, but I also have not put in the time or commitment or *00:04* I remember when the game leaked and I didn't know what the you know the leaks were until afterward, but um *00:04* Like it people are dumb, petty, fickle things and the the sooner that you just acknowledge that about yourself and start working on getting over it or just like dealing with it. *00:04* And so I went up to him and that's the only time I've ever seen Abby get *00:04* A couple years ago. *00:04* Um I think ray tracing is super cool. *00:04* Like finally I'll buy a Bethesda game. *00:04* I was like, well, I need a PS4. *00:04* They just passed 85 million switches. *00:04* It's a great game. *00:04* The soundtrack is phenom like basically persona games are great and I have a PS TV now. *00:04* And like especially like hearing them kind of say like this is the thing that we're doing now and like how samey a lot of their games are starting to feel. *00:04* I'm doing a very It's after midnight though. *00:04* It was. *00:04* The game was disappointing. *00:04* It's just for my birthday. *00:04* Greg's a very tall man. *00:04* Is that but like people probably are thinking about it like that and there's like that competitiveness to it. *00:04* Uh I it's because I rehearsed it so much. *00:04* How are you feeling about it so far? *00:04* I really like the direction Microsoft is going in. *00:04* She might be playing it right now. *00:04* Like it was a really exciting time. *00:04* Fingers crossed. *00:04* I was like, I heard Greg Greg talk about this game. *00:04* I've never like, you know, I try not to get too again the try and be as chill about disagreeing with people as possible, you know? *00:04* I have a couple of questions, but specifically the one that's always on my mind lately. *00:04* Because like Persona 3 is a is a hundred hours, Persona 4 is 60 hours. *00:04* Um *00:04* It's like I people need to conduct themselves better on Twitter. *00:04* And there's a bunch of great writing stuff on there too. *00:04* You were you were on a podcast with Greg Miller. *00:04* So anything that you hear on the internet, otherwise, this is what really happened. *00:04* Uh and I it I was hanging out with with Barrett, who, you know, works for *00:04* Cause I'm I'm the kind of guy in a line or in a busy space. *00:04* I ain't about to do that. *00:04* You get into a rhythm with that man, you can just recite everything he says back to him. *00:04* Uh, but I played Ori at I I tried the 4K 120. *00:04* I uh I like the controller more. *00:04* It may have taken up to eight, but like it was somewhere in that ballpark seconds on the Xbox delivered. *00:04* Yeah. *00:04* And I'm like, well, now I'm in a pickle. *00:04* Rockstar owns it all out, right? *00:04* Drama comedy. *00:04* Yeah, and so I I if I did finally beat Persona 4 or 5, I'm sorry. *00:04* And when that attack commenced everyone just would die. *00:04* When he we're in the the hospital in Salt Lake City and he grabs a gun and shoots the guy. *00:04* Thank you so much, Alex, for joining me. *00:04* No. *00:04* I d that's the way I am with Roger. *00:04* And then I walked to a mall and I bought Donkey Kong Country Tropical Freeze and went to the IGN offices. *00:04* I actually have a sizable chunk of it back now, thanks to the panic that ensued, but um *00:04* Well Grand Turismo and um *00:04* You have to hide in the refrigerator. *00:04* And then Sony up and announces The Last of Us Part 2 PS4. *00:04* I mean, I there's like already rumors of like a PS5 Pro system that's gonna come out late this year or whatever, but you know. *00:04* Kanji, Kanji Tatsumi. *00:04* And I think those two things were wearing me down. *00:04* Like it doesn't it doesn't matter that you know who it is like and *00:04* I love it so much. *00:04* I like it's so funny because in the whole Abby part of the story, I like Abby the most of all of those characters. *00:04* I am more active than Alex, but I definitely am not like negative antsy out here trying to tell people why they're wrong. *00:04* So um that's behind the pixel. *00:04* Oh okay. *00:04* The kind of the first I d I know we have show docs and I just kinda wrote down what came first, but the first thing I really *00:04* Mm-hmm. *00:04* I for a long time, and I think I still do to this day, we're gonna take like a deep *00:04* We're gonna go but we're gonna go a little deep. *00:04* And she was like, you need to push forward. *00:04* No complaints. *00:04* Yeah. *00:04* Yeah, and I think rumor is they're working on another one. *00:04* Uh Quantum Break universe. *00:04* You get way more quadruple passes in in Royal than you ever do in the original Persona V. *00:04* The the last video game event that ever happened? *00:04* If the kid wants to do its own their own thing *00:04* But that's like my big pie in the sky dream would be some sort of reunion with the four of them. *00:04* That that's just what I've grown up on. *00:04* Oh, it's uh people come in so um *00:04* Yeah, to be fair, I've never played literally in the middle of the year. *00:04* So Claire goes to the origami killer's apartment. *00:04* What is going on? *00:04* I mean they probably will. *00:04* But they they upped re upped the the license, I think, when they bought the IP back from Microsoft, right? *00:04* I l I I lo I love persona, um, but not as much. *00:04* Like it's Pokemon and uh becoming best friends with people. *00:04* Complete the set once more. *00:04* As well. *00:04* I am curious where the TV show *00:04* They're making uh the single player campaign for this weird *00:04* Just because I think that if I do, you will hate me if you don't already. *00:04* So Yeah, he has crazy crazy charisma *00:04* Yeah. *00:04* Like I'm in them zone. *00:04* And that will send them on a path that leads them to a a very *00:04* Yeah. *00:04* I'm usually pretty good about playing old stuff, but in my head, honestly, I feel like I *00:04* I was so excited at the time. *00:04* And then, you know, does playing as her impact how I feel going through this journey? *00:04* Exactly. *00:04* I'm like, I'm gonna assume that Baron had something to do with this as well and then it all kind of rolled out from there. *00:05* I'm like, I have no idea. *00:05* True. *00:05* Um and and like that's fine. *00:05* My mom got the uh the Link Between Worlds, 3D SXL, which I'm also a big fan of. *00:05* Yeah, and it will look good for the foreseeable future. *00:05* I did have to drop it to easy because I didn't uh fight all the time. *00:05* And that's the same thing applies to journey instead of *00:05* You get it. *00:05* I've I've I've been here and so I don't need this again. *00:05* They were determined. *00:05* Uh and in Laura Bailey's like she talked about how much *00:05* No you're not. *00:05* It was all above board. *00:05* I was talking about this with Mike. *00:05* And so that Friday I went into the city before he did while he worked or or whatever. *00:05* It is wild. *00:05* Yeah. *00:05* Please, listener. *00:05* Are you but do you seek out the spin-off games or are you just like *00:05* Like all of these, I think, really complicated questions. *00:05* And that's totally fine. *00:05* Yeah, I remember during the press hour. *00:05* I flubbed a lot of the questions because I like didn't think. *00:05* I was like, I already I already know I want this game. *00:05* Like ray tracing we talked about is absolutely gorgeous. *00:05* Like actually save Jason. *00:05* No. *00:05* Yes. *00:05* And for some people it's like, you know, uh *00:05* Thank you, mute filters. *00:05* Uh not that it has to. *00:05* Ultimately I I I I don't know if there's anything they could have done to made me like really connect with it. *00:05* I didn't I didn't quite write that, but it was along that line of just *00:05* I am not afraid to unfollow, take a break. *00:05* Just a couple. *00:05* I think a game might run actually a little bit better than it did. *00:05* Yeah, and I and I I think like especially like with Blessing There at that time, like it was it was really great. *00:05* Do you I thought about this the other day. *00:05* Uh and that's always been like the appeal for me. *00:05* Like I'd never I'd never gotten both at launch before *00:05* Just let it go, you guys. *00:05* Wow. *00:05* That uh I'm almost that was when I worked at Kmart. *00:05* I uh so my uh my my *00:05* It almost feels comforting to have it on the shelf, you know. *00:05* Like it's just the second Metal Gear solid games, like *00:05* And she's like, Well, how'd you know that? *00:05* Like if they're gonna just bring the first game mechanically up to date with the f the second game. *00:05* Do not try and have a conversation like this. *00:05* You can't. *00:05* Let's get back to hoping for Splinter Cell. *00:05* And it one, it is weird to think like that, right? *00:05* 'Cause we're gonna see that you know, we're gonna see this kid grow up to some extent, knowing Greg of how he shares things on social media. *00:05* Abby keeps saying she's like she's so excited for me to hold a baby. *00:05* I think it it it plays it plays a lot better even if it kind of lacks *00:05* But they d they do the they perform *00:05* It'll have a bigger hard drive. *00:05* I did a clean install, like wiped the whole thing, reinstalled the OS, nothing. *00:05* Like he clearly he clearly had certain tastes, like God of War in in Rockstar games. *00:05* Because they get a lot of money, you know. *00:05* Like, I'm not gonna go out there and grind 10, 15 more levels and then come back and try again. *00:05* Like I it's the the thing with the killer with Persona 4 is like I could tell you in Persona 5 that at some point you fight God. *00:05* I mean, uh as with all things, you have to divorce yourself from that kind of mentality just in general. *00:05* And it's all very different. *00:05* She is if you get in her way she will push you around because she doesn't care. *00:05* She's in my neck of the woods. *00:05* And they're like, We can if you show up. *00:05* I'm stoked for Ratch and Clank. *00:05* I played that, you know, when it originally came out on one. *00:05* Resident Evil, like we bought it last night, and she'll watch that. *00:05* Um because he die he died he can die very nonchalantly, but he can also die very difficultly. *00:05* Like why would you do that? *00:05* Fingers crossed. *00:05* You know, like and and there will be parts of it like, Oh, I don't remember this or like this might have been there, but you know, like this just fits, so I'm not I'm just gonna go with it. *00:05* And I I don't really talk I I've played the game three times. *00:05* It's really the feel of the game and the connection to the player there. *00:05* I I think it's *00:05* Yeah, and but like how big a deal it was to her when she saw Ash and Troy in The Last of Us and how their performances it you know for her transcended and *00:05* Like, why are you re and they just redid it, they remastered it on PS4. *00:05* No, I thoroughly enjoyed hearing your thoughts on the game and and just talking with you all night tonight. *00:05* Joining me this time, Irrational Passions Own, Alex O'Neill. *00:05* Yeah, we have a pretty good idea that this is actually not a good idea. *00:05* Say no more. *00:05* Yeah, at least don't drop them all in the same year. *00:05* Yeah, finally. *00:05* So that's really all it took. *00:05* I so I think a lot of people look at PlayStation or maybe this isn't true because obviously PS4 was such a success. *00:05* It's also like it's wild to think that we now can have a l less powerful system that is totally *00:05* It's so funny to think of like all these three sixty era games that had licensed music that like occurred *00:05* Like I like Ryuji in Persona 5, like I *00:05* Uh yeah, I mean I d I I wanna get it someday. *00:05* Yeah. *00:05* You know? *00:05* Let's say their next project is a new IP *00:05* I would feel it it's there people *00:05* Uh it's yeah, that stuff's crazy. *00:05* Why'd you go that one? *00:05* Which I've still never seen, but I would probably like it, you know. *00:05* I just maybe I'm just I get wrapped up in what *00:05* Oh, we played at a friend's house. *00:05* Oh yeah, I mean no only no one knows how to thread that needle like Nintendo does. *00:05* So he's like he's on the drugs in the computer simulation. *00:05* Any of like the the specialty switches like that they've like the Animal Crossing one or the the Mario 3D World one, like *00:05* I mean it's a good color. *00:05* Um and it turns out some famous author is writing a book. *00:05* Why would anyone want to do anything? *00:05* You're you're here, you're part of the family as far as I'm concerned. *00:05* Like if you've played any of those games, like if you've seen what makes Persona special, which is *00:05* But I'm I'm curious why. *00:05* But too long. *00:05* I think that's a thing a lot of people do. *00:05* I think it's kinda like one of those like two-word military sounding names, but *00:05* Yeah, there you go. *00:05* You can't, you know, respond to every serial killer letter that you get at your office, you know. *00:05* It was just the two of us. *00:05* Like finally, like legitimately, I think the best part about PC games is like *00:05* And it ended on that cliffhanger man, and they were supposed to make a movie. *00:05* Um because it happens so quickly. *00:05* Like I just I just want to help enable the things that she likes because *00:05* Um what I'm really, really worried about *00:05* Basically all I'm looking for is if it can run Breath of the Wild smoother. *00:05* I have God of War and I have Red Dead. *00:05* Just buckle up. *00:05* Losing Baton Pass is a hard thing to go back after, I'll say. *00:05* So he played the whole thing. *00:05* You need to let all of this go and and I think say start something different and new. *00:05* Like they had that project that was on some level scrapped, that sci-fi thing, whatever that was gonna be. *00:05* Oh on the front lines? *00:05* I don't think I did anything that whole time. *00:05* You were not. *00:05* Um and *00:05* So his son can w can literally go back and watch videos of his father. *00:05* I just that will I I don't *00:05* It's like that's so cool. *00:05* I mean like hearing about the Final Fantasy VII integrate, like that that game had like 30 second load time, so now it's like *00:05* And everyone was very, very upset because it was on the carpet. *00:05* My top shelf is my Zelda shelf. *00:05* Will it pass the PS2? *00:05* Sure. *00:05* But yeah. *00:05* Yeah. *00:05* No, yeah, I th thank you for for sharing that because uh genuinely I haven't really talked to anyone that has *00:05* That's sounds terrifying. *00:05* Um P. *00:05* I have no idea. *00:05* And that's what I bought. *00:05* He was like, Why don't they make games like this anymore? *00:05* Very good. *00:05* And ambitious. *00:05* All the whole relationship with with those two kids is like so unnerved. *00:05* They made a game about a bandicoot *00:05* And that that's like, you know, such a pervasive conversation about all video games right now, but *00:05* The Last of Us. *00:05* So go go listen to Nintendo Land that I do with Mike Burgess, go listen to RPG University, I do a syllabus every month with Scott White. *00:05* Like what do I do? *00:05* I'm not trying to bother you or anything. *00:05* Exactly. *00:05* God of War. *00:05* So like the the ratchet games they were making before PS3 and and PS2 or PS4. *00:05* Um But the rest of everything else is here in the office plugged into my HD stuff's in a 3D TV. *00:05* I can buy both consoles when they launch. *00:05* I kind of wanted I looked at the trophy list this time around. *00:05* Um at the time, I think that was like kind of the thing to do. *00:05* I promise that's not what's going on, but *00:05* Because really the rest of their games run rock solid. *00:05* Anyway, Will Farrell plays this *00:05* Sure, that's a good way to put it. *00:05* And my my the incentification was the platinum, because everyone talks about how hard this platinum is. *00:05* Uh and and the more I think about it, I just think that game fails its characters by rushing them forward. *00:05* And seeing this kind of like unraveled the naughty dog aesthetic for me to to some extent. *00:05* Have you played Metal Gear? *00:05* And like God bless anyone who works on an *00:05* I and I remember That's for some thank you. *00:06* That was me. *00:06* Because *00:06* Jim Ryan's face pops up and goes, ha ha ha ha ha. *00:06* Um and then there was the spin-offs on the PS3 like All for One and Full Frontal Assault that aren't really ratchet game ratch and clink games, they're like different genres of *00:06* And I think it runs in 4K. *00:06* Yeah, yeah. *00:06* I am s um *00:06* I think it's like Alex Casey is the name of uh the detective *00:06* Don't spoil this game for me. *00:06* In Royal. *00:06* Yeah, there's a whole bunch of great stuff in that game. *00:06* I have my own opinion about this game. *00:06* You gotta pay the bills sometimes. *00:06* Uh you can catch that on the internet. *00:06* Uh and that's happened. *00:06* You can't take away my plastic disc. *00:06* I swear. *00:06* My big like qualm *00:06* Okay. *00:06* And for me, a naughty dog game, I'm sucked into it. *00:06* They uh they've got to be a little bit more than that. *00:06* I unfollowed a lot of people after that game came out essentially. *00:06* Close the app and go home. *00:06* And then they didn't. *00:06* Um and *00:06* Then went to Folsey University, which is maybe 40 minutes from where I am. *00:06* I did not, but I've yeah, I d it's so What do you think of the new consoles? *00:06* Um, and that is a a mechanical challenge that is super interesting. *00:06* I th I think you you didn't give me enough on the other side of like *00:06* And it's interesting because with Joel you see *00:06* I mean, people have qualms with the game and or dislike certain parts or or whatever, but *00:06* So I'm just gonna be trapped in forever. *00:06* East Coast. *00:06* We Abby and I were married, so it's sometime between twenty seventeen and *00:06* Yeah. *00:06* And it's like, oh, it's very flattering, you know. *00:06* We're stuck. *00:06* Quick resume. *00:06* We're just like right back to the same screen where I left off, unpause, and I'm back in Kingdom Hearts 1, like within a second. *00:06* And Sony really is put I'm sorry, Microsoft, gosh. *00:06* Um like uh like a kickback on the gun? *00:06* It's we I like that movie quite a bit. *00:06* Oh at a certain point there's um I don't want to spoil it 'cause *00:06* This should be no secret to anyone who listens and is familiar with my work, but I love anything and practically everything Naughty Dog loves. *00:06* Literally same page, dude. *00:06* Agent coming back. *00:06* Play Persona 5 Royale. *00:06* I was I was being a real professional about everything *00:06* I don't know how many people actually know about this, actually, now I think of it, 'cause you know, I I just I'm bad at talking to people. *00:06* I'm very aware of that. *00:06* Tell me like how the heck how did that happen? *00:06* People are just like, we're having a baby. *00:06* Don't touch their head. *00:06* Like I because I because I've thought about it a lot, you know. *00:06* I can't I can't take the beeps. *00:06* That's part. *00:06* Yeah. *00:06* Especially toward the end of last jam with the 1X, like because it just was more powerful than the PS4 Pro. *00:06* I'm personally uh the *00:06* Yeah, sure. *00:06* Um I told Abby, I said, I'm sorry, I'm making an executive decision here. *00:06* Uh replaying Arkham Asylum. *00:06* I don't know. *00:06* Uh Yeah. *00:06* Uh and so like he saw that and I got to see that when he played. *00:06* And like so once the thin had happened, it just became a waterfall, a snowball effect. *00:06* Just can't tell you how many tweets I've started *00:06* Like Roger's a guy I give a hard time about using Adobe Premiere and we both mourn the loss of Sam Fisher and Splinter Cell. *00:06* I don't know how he does it *00:06* Um but *00:06* Like finally, someone who understands. *00:06* And I'm like, I'm so sorry. *00:06* They were gonna each try to do the hundred McNugget challenge, which apparently is a thing. *00:06* Um so like we had done stuff before but like it is *00:06* It was fine. *00:06* I can beep. *00:06* It really I think is a testament to both Sony and *00:06* That's what my brain is accustomed to and I just prefer it. *00:06* I uh I I do care. *00:06* And when you throw the 3D audio in *00:06* Is it Claire, the journalist chick *00:06* So I the Arkham Asylum is just time consuming, but once you get good at that combat, it's once you get it, good. *00:06* You'll get a better deal. *00:06* Like, let's say the rumors for the Switch Pro thing start really heating up here in the back half of *00:06* I th but uh Max Payne one and two like exists in a referential form via Alan Wake. *00:06* I'm like, I've already played this game. *00:06* Good luck. *00:06* I have no desire to do that. *00:06* Like in if Abby were a person in our world, Abby is a tough *00:06* It's like, Well, I've been on both sides. *00:06* And the part three thing *00:06* Like, you know, like I remember one that sticks out to me as like *00:06* Yep. *00:06* I get it. *00:06* It's how funny. *00:06* I actually did that the first time I played it. *00:06* Excellent. *00:06* Game design fault first. *00:06* Um it's it's so hard, but when you do play it, it genuinely doesn't feel like that at all. *00:06* Like why why w when someday when I go *00:06* Only to some people. *00:06* Which I don't I've played the first *00:06* It's all obviously intentionally very similar to how Joel plays, but uh and and I I appreciate that. *00:06* Yeah. *00:06* Uh and and that stuff bummed me out. *00:06* So there was a t *00:06* Or at least i in a in a really significant way, the people that I've like known the longest or or the internet friends that I've like spent the most time with. *00:06* I'm like, well, it's stouter. *00:06* I I you know it's I'm a I'm a similar way, right? *00:06* Um I so I'm really excited to see that this machine game, so like I'm not I'm not ready to say it's gonna be great already. *00:06* It's fine. *00:06* Yeah, it uh they *00:06* A small piece of the pie. *00:06* And it's hard to get anyone to commit to *00:06* They really they really are. *00:06* Um and it's not gonna it's not gonna be different different, right? *00:06* Yeah, I need it, please. *00:06* Swear TSA. *00:06* Yeah. *00:06* Like this kind of got thrusted upon them. *00:06* And it's like th there is nothing that has stuck with me more than that of like the amount of times people like text me or things like *00:06* It's a very well-made video game that I'm not gonna do. *00:06* Yeah, I hope I wasn't too negative. *00:06* I remember the year I went, there was Days Gone. *00:06* Oh my goodness. *00:06* Into the Nexus *00:06* Man, it's great and I feel like *00:06* And I'm like, oh man, this is cool. *00:06* I've definitely like, I think I've just like kind of gotten over it or acclimated it to it. *00:06* It's GameCube purple, sorta, but *00:06* Yeah. *00:06* It is so hard to tell. *00:06* So yeah, the the big reveal at PSX. *00:06* And if you d if you're one of those people that's like *00:06* See I Yeah, too long. *00:06* Like the I I think it's interesting to try and like *00:06* I think they should have just when you switch to Abbey, you never switch the whole time. *00:06* You know, like don't be upset about these things, but like They're trying to win over Microsoft's. *00:06* So uh Outfighter 27 there, I do podcasts, Rational Passions podcasts. *00:06* I was it was it was a very good thing. *00:06* Like that seems *00:06* I've I've put like since the New Year's start, I've probably put another two hundred hours into Splunky Two or something, just over the course of five months, like *00:06* I did not care for Doom. *00:06* Jesus *00:06* I totally understand. *00:06* Yeah. *00:06* Yeah she's probably pretty *00:06* Like people are cutting. *00:06* I feel like it was before It had to have been before because it was November that that happened and *00:06* My real so that would just be like a goal. *00:06* So, you know, if we can revive TV shows and movies and all that stuff, I'm sure *00:06* Whenever we get to it, just upload me to the AI, the PlayStation Network universe, and I'll just never come back. *00:06* Yeah. *00:06* And *00:06* So Oh that sucks. *00:06* I um *00:06* I was like, I don't care. *00:06* Um but I always told myself I'm like, this is not gonna be Persona for Golden. *00:06* I remember in combat, like I chose what I wanted each person to do. *00:06* Like what's what's up? *00:06* And but before we started recording, uh you shared with me *00:06* Like Persona has a hundred hours, right? *00:06* Um because I think like you're not going to *00:06* Uh and so them that the last of us part two just being consequences, which are interesting. *00:06* I love you, bud *00:06* And so I I wrote about that. *00:06* S. *00:06* Tell me what's wrong with them. *00:06* Um, so if they could *00:06* I say five years later, Breath of Wild 2, launch with the Switch Pro. *00:06* I don't know. *00:06* Quantum Break's in that universe. *00:06* Uh and and seeing them like *00:06* Devil something saga. *00:06* Especially in the back half. *00:06* Uh like Manny, I think is a terrible character, and I don't know why so many people like him. *00:06* Which is why I give it a lot of credit. *00:06* Yeah. *00:06* I forget what his headline was, but it wasn't Naughty Dog Remaking The Last of Us. *00:06* You know, you gotta get you get you get a little sassy after midnight. *00:06* If uh if anyone listening would like to maybe know more about irrational passions or anything *00:06* Um *00:06* Well yeah, you're in Florida, right? *00:06* That's probably *00:06* Anything else after this is just uh icing on the cake. *00:06* Yeah. *00:06* Like I felt great, everyone was doing good, and then suddenly everyone is dying. *00:06* Dude, talk about like *00:06* And that was kind of the my mentality there was *00:06* Uh Alex *00:06* So like everything has its own kind of aspect to it. *00:06* I don't I think I still have my Persona 3 physical copy. *00:06* He killed a bunch of people, somebody's gonna come kill you. *00:06* Uh like it it it *00:06* They do tremendous work. *00:06* So if you want to talk about a long eight years, look at Grand Theft Auto. *00:06* So I've been re-uploading that back catalog slowly here over the past few months and see how ego maniacal I am. *00:06* I interviewed him. *00:07* We both said, but I don't think I'd go to PAX if I couldn't get a press pass. *00:07* And I I was just excitedly watching *00:07* Should I like I feel like if I nudge them too much, they're just gonna stop talking to me. *00:07* Uh which is crazy. *00:07* At the very least, like I will buy digitally the things that I want to have and I'm fine, you know. *00:07* Yeah. *00:07* People are saying that's *00:07* I'm like, let's go. *00:07* And I wouldn't have traded that anything for the world. *00:07* Which when that came to the states, they launched alongside Majora's Mask 3D. *00:07* That was a good one too. *00:07* And I d I didn't really understand that. *00:07* Which I think is a far more interesting thing simply because *00:07* Like what what kind of thing? *00:07* I was gonna say like how how long ago? *00:07* You were on kind of funny games daily. *00:07* And for the weekend, I think he took like the Friday off or whatever. *00:07* And he has two children. *00:07* And he talks about them semi-regularly, so I thought it'd be okay. *00:07* I love you *00:07* Like that's just not a thing I can do anymore. *00:07* Touch Doom Eternal. *00:07* Layer didn't work out, so we can just move on. *00:07* So so it was cool to see. *00:07* Her her switch. *00:07* I was like, uh this buying a second switch was absolutely the right call. *00:07* That is my second platinum trophy. *00:07* Um do you ever see Stranger Than Fiction with Will Farrell? *00:07* Ever. *00:07* That's turning it. *00:07* And if you don't like it *00:07* I think part of part two *00:07* And and maybe that's the point, that's the character that they're making, but like that's just *00:07* Like Lost Legacy wasn't like a you need to make a *00:07* So check it out. *00:07* Um and one Christmas her cousin and my brother in law um *00:07* Your training. *00:07* You know, it was an incredible privilege. *00:07* Uh just like yeah, and and having the podcast and thinking about it and just like *00:07* I need to play this game. *00:07* Yeah, there's never not been a slim of any console ever at this point. *00:07* They probably very specifically did not give them the okay to do it, which means I think I think the reasoning is music licensing. *00:07* A literal golden mine *00:07* It's *00:07* Mm-hmm. *00:07* Um Yeah, I mean and so I I I played it, you know, I played on my own. *00:07* Over the course of like four months, you know, we played it in like two hour sessions or one hour sessions. *00:07* I don't care if you like it or hate it. *00:07* And that was originally the goal. *00:07* But they really *00:07* Oh my god. *00:07* It is we're really busy right now. *00:07* Uh and then he was on the podcast. *00:07* Like when you got like someone that you're just good with and you're compatible, you can talk to, you can talk anything about with. *00:07* Yeah. *00:07* I know you will. *00:07* Yeah. *00:07* I I've ray tracing is the best. *00:07* And it's gorgeous. *00:07* Um and you know, did that, you know, hundred percentage one, two, and three and *00:07* Yeah, don't worry about the people complaining about *00:07* Just *00:07* I wanted PS4. *00:07* So I sold the Death Straining PS4. *00:07* And it it proves you that you don't have to have the most powerful system to have *00:07* Okay. *00:07* It's kind of like persona in a very divisive game. *00:07* Yeah, it's it's *00:07* You know, like I played God of War 2018, I was very disappointed by it because of how *00:07* There's a lot of fun to have at PAX if you just want to walk around and talk to people, I think. *00:07* will like *00:07* So it's like they're all gonna go to elementary school together and it's like what stop it. *00:07* No, that's always ah, who's the guy? *00:07* Uh I still have that Xbox, but I'm *00:07* But like once I started like really letting it go and like, oh this is actually really cool. *00:07* Abby just bought that Pokemon Snap game. *00:07* Um he played the Hitman sniping game on his phone. *00:07* Yes. *00:07* Which is yeah. *00:07* And it was like Persona 4 Golden became work. *00:07* I think Abby's story actually it did really work for me. *00:07* I do not care. *00:07* Uh you know, like *00:07* Like *00:07* Yeah, yeah. *00:07* Uh, in person. *00:07* I know you're busy. *00:07* Remember the guy that was like creepily standing outside your office window looking at you? *00:07* Uh ATP, it's an accidental tech podcast. *00:07* Damn. *00:07* That controller is insanity. *00:07* 12 Switch has this game where you hold the Joy Con and you have to like guess how many marbles are rolling around inside *00:07* Kind of. *00:07* I kinda hope so, just 'cause it'd be fun. *00:07* That is where I stop. *00:07* Like so I played he also loved the first Last of Us, which, you know, I've I've been on record that *00:07* But I feel like I I do feel like that would have been a *00:07* It's usually how it goes, right? *00:07* Yeah. *00:07* Like obviously mods is a part of that for a lot of people too, but I just that's *00:07* Got thanks to the first time. *00:07* Well, Nintendo does have the HD Rumble. *00:07* I'll get a better deal than if I traded it in and I'll go buy a pro. *00:07* I almost bought that. *00:07* It might be a pro though. *00:07* I was like, I needed something a little bit more than just *00:07* Um It's like the the bummer thing is like *00:07* Yeah, like seeing a a friend you haven't seen in a very long time. *00:07* Uh and I see anything persona or shimagame or atlas like Catherine or anything like that, I I send him a picture. *00:07* Um but I still would have had the the problems where it's like all of the characters around Abby are terrible and *00:07* That was like the first in the first time. *00:07* Yeah. *00:07* Just rule of thumb. *00:07* Well I could save a hundred dollars and I haven't bought a physical game in almost two and a half years. *00:07* It's like Killzone Shadowfall. *00:07* We're November, so what, December? *00:07* That's so great. *00:07* I guess I'll get this Death Stranding one. *00:07* We live in an exciting uh time for them. *00:07* Uh *00:07* Yeah, I'm I'm a big big Metal Gear head. *00:07* They're really just they've been spending all this time working on max pain four. *00:07* Irrationalhash. *00:07* I've I've done that with Greg before. *00:07* I was uh I was waiting to just see if Greg, like I'd catch Greg coming in the office. *00:07* I didn't I we should have probably told them *00:07* And to be fair, in a way, I've been rehearsing it for the last thirteen years. *00:07* Um *00:07* Yeah, so that's that big project. *00:07* The guy who made Shadow Colossus in um Last Guardian *00:07* Oh my gosh, I'm thinking about that's so good. *00:07* I knew exactly what was going to happen. *00:07* It's a bummer. *00:07* I can come back later. *00:07* Oh my gosh. *00:07* Like you gotta you have to come and wait for the food. *00:07* I I've I really enjoy having everything like I know that I'm not gonna *00:07* I'm stoked for Oh my gosh. *00:07* I think Resident Evil recently was interesting to see the low time thing *00:07* With how well Monster Rise runs on that thing. *00:07* Like he was like, I got this Vita to sell. *00:07* Like a certain character gets a lot more attention than they did the first time around. *00:07* Uh the best thing, like you're in a great position because you've played Persona 5 and that took a long time *00:07* It's like I can l I listen to the soundtrack all the flippin' time. *00:07* And *00:07* Um *00:07* Um and it's a wonderful *00:07* Uh I mean at some point in my life, maybe, but like *00:07* And and now we can kind of utilize this. *00:07* I've played one game on it. *00:07* Yeah, but like, you know *00:07* You just have to accept that. *00:07* Yeah, I remember that. *00:07* Um I have something to admit *00:07* Persona 3 Fez is like this totally *00:07* Um, nor have I played like a proper Shin Megami Tensei game. *00:07* Again the all digital world I just *00:07* But um *00:07* You were there with Logan Logan was there *00:07* It's like, Oh. *00:07* And until next time, uhdios. *00:07* It was all official. *00:07* No, I think it was 2019. *00:07* And that that's the thing with Roger too, you know, he's like a little brother to me. *00:07* Like I could show up and just talk to anybody, whatever, I don't care. *00:07* I just had a lot of fun. *00:07* I'm I'm fully encapsulated in video game consoles and debt. *00:07* Where I was like, I'm not going to trade games anymore. *00:07* Anyway, man, that stuff's wild. *00:07* I just can't wait for them to like *00:07* So *00:07* Yeah, it's I think that their leaning into that helps those games. *00:07* I just haven't played him. *00:07* It's a very expensive hobby, apparently. *00:07* I I it's harder for me to to commit to that with Uncharted 4 at least. *00:07* I is *00:07* In the trenches. *00:07* So I know when they're recording all their shows and I get that like the little window that shows like their little cameras and stuff. *00:07* Oh no. *00:08* You got a show to go do. *00:08* Anyway, he emailed me. *00:08* I'm like, how do I hold it like up with my like *00:08* What was like the the cool thing with it *00:08* It is the market is crazy. *00:08* And *00:08* And to be frank, I don't want her any part of this either, because what a terrible thing you wouldn't wish upon someone. *00:08* You're welcome, Jim Ryan, and Shuhei, Yoshida. *00:08* Shelf below that's my *00:08* Or or like the Wii, but it doesn't it's not clearly falling behind, you know, like that's what Yeah, I think *00:08* But honestly, they're supposed to look kind of *00:08* He was probably right to be fair. *00:08* You can't just like save in a dungeon and they're randomly generated. *00:08* Yeah, I I think if you went back right right now, right, you'd probably be like, oh I think it's probably this person. *00:08* Just tweet something about how you had ice cream today instead, and then never think about Twitter again. *00:08* That's fine. *00:08* So I you know *00:08* If a it for everyone out there listening that heard me like just *00:08* I replayed through the PS3 Ratch and Clink games *00:08* I feel like it'll probably end up being early next year. *00:08* Or gammy killer. *00:08* I'm gonna be like, please don't buy it. *00:08* I like the the Major Voice Master DS. *00:08* I'll buy it. *00:08* I think my final time was like 120. *00:08* It's and so when you tell them, oh yeah, to beat this, it'll take you 120 hours. *00:08* I if if I really *00:08* Uh Yeah. *00:08* So I f I feel like th you know there's gotta be something else. *00:08* Coming back. *00:08* And I'm halfway up. *00:08* Exactly. *00:08* Cause you know, uh what is this uh perfect dark? *00:08* And I said, you know what? *00:08* Yeah, and so I never beat it. *00:08* And it r and it ruined the game for him. *00:08* It was just w there was a lot we had a lot of people at that point and it was like, I gotta corral these people *00:08* You'll get there. *00:08* I I don't need to see anything from it. *00:08* Like it really changes the whole experience because like *00:08* I think that's really super cool. *00:08* We had the visual jump *00:08* Yeah. *00:08* You want to play this game? *00:08* I would do one of those like cold *00:08* And they're like, they're fine. *00:08* It's very nice. *00:08* And that's that is, I think, where that discourse comes from *00:08* And now it's like *00:08* And *00:08* Uh and I said it was not. *00:08* Uh *00:08* Uh I thought you'd care. *00:08* It's weird to like think of someone's offspring as like a a content horse that needs to turn *00:08* If I had prepped for this. *00:08* Obviously, you know, I'm just waiting to be castrated by Sony at this point, but I was gonna say, man *00:08* So just thinking about it of like *00:08* Oh, absolutely I *00:08* That'd be dope. *00:08* They're and it's going to surpass the Wii here. *00:08* I don't think *00:08* Like, are you kidding me? *00:08* I mean the game looks, sounds, plays, I think all incredible. *00:08* Spend a hundred hours playing Persona 5 Royale. *00:08* And if I had their phone number Oh yeah. *00:08* Like *00:08* But that's gone through such a a different, you know, uh it's a very different God of War. *00:08* But I I *00:08* You're gonna get more the dialogue is rewritten to make more sense or or *00:08* You know? *00:08* And then I'm just supposed to believe that she has a relationship with this kid that *00:08* You know, I'm bummed out as much as anyone else. *00:08* Yeah. *00:08* So I like in a creepy *00:08* We're having a baby. *00:08* It's never bothered me. *00:08* I need to snipe. *00:08* Yeah, especially in the back half. *00:08* Um and and so like all of these things kind of *00:08* I know, I knew Doom 2016 is a great game, but it is *00:08* And I'm like *00:08* I get it. *00:08* Uh it's weird sometimes just generally interacting with people that are not. *00:08* Uh Oh yeah, that's right. *00:08* And so this was before Death Stranding came out. *00:08* Yeah. *00:08* Like that's the follow-up because control had some Alan Wakey DLC or something, right? *00:08* And that's for any game. *00:08* I did not enjoy that demo. *00:08* There are six mini macroys out there that could start, in theory, two *00:08* So what was it *00:08* I've I know all these things that I would want to say have all these kind of like established opinions that I feel pretty good about *00:08* You're like one of the few people I can tell this to Thieves in Time *00:08* This was also when we thought last was part two was coming out in *00:08* Uh so does my my mom. *00:08* All the people are like, well if if Persona 5 doesn't come to Switch, I'm never gonna play it *00:08* Yeah. *00:08* I grabbed the prices were fair apparently for what he was able to look up, so I grabbed that. *00:08* Two of his favorite games of all time. *00:08* Uh I just like *00:08* The game is launched. *00:08* Like I'm an adult. *00:08* So it really did work out to be an investment. *00:08* Love Kawakami. *00:08* Like they they went for it. *00:08* And I I think like *00:08* And Evan, kind of the thing he kind of landed on was *00:08* Like I did it until something until someone had to go and ruin it *00:08* I think we were I think we were in line together. *00:08* We all made fun of Sony for pulling out. *00:08* That was the uh one of those extra life streams, right? *00:08* So Wow, that's a long time ago. *00:08* Oh my gosh. *00:08* I've I I told you. *00:08* I was like, this kind of would be interesting to get. *00:08* It started with Kingdom Hearts 3. *00:08* Where it would just I'd play the game, any game, for maybe fifteen minutes or something, and then the console would just like *00:08* It's not gonna be good for me. *00:08* Not me. *00:08* Like they wanted like you to go into a third or half that game without picking up a gun. *00:08* Gorilla, completely pivoting with Horizon. *00:08* You know, like I love that first game. *00:08* If I really care about what they say, I can come back and look it up later. *00:08* com is the place to go. *00:08* That's so cool to *00:08* It's incredible. *00:08* And *00:08* And I was like, that's incredible. *00:08* You know, how are they gonna make their cause you know, their whole thing is *00:08* Like we're gonna level we're calling it it's not the dual shock five, it's the dual sense because you get to feel the sense. *00:08* I their games are all tied together except *00:08* Oh my gosh. *00:08* You know, they they're now on top of the world. *00:08* You like did the thing. *00:08* Generally. *00:08* It is it is great, but it was fun, you know, like he he just takes it. *00:08* I uh I gave a better answer on the episode of Simply Sassy Vids that I was on. *00:08* Um yeah, I I'm you know, I'm always so stoked to be *00:08* Yeah, I barely touch my phone anymore, which is great. *00:08* Probably Logan or something. *00:08* Or Heavy Rain. *00:08* Um but she also loves serial killers and murder mysteries, and I was like, hey *00:08* Yeah, it's Pokemon and Dating Sim. *00:08* Like there's no like Oh, interesting. *00:08* Uh in a very similar situation to like Abby *00:08* Like what and people forget that *00:08* What the *00:09* But if you're going there and you're trying to play *00:09* Please don't please don't go to my mom's house. *00:09* It was, you know, his short, sweet *00:09* I wasn't nervous by the end of it and and that's the the fun thing *00:09* I'm honored to be there, to have been there. *00:09* Like I the things I I come back to are a lot around PlayStation. *00:09* And for the most part, Resident Evil 8 does not utilize those triggers very well, I think *00:09* I yeah, it's cool. *00:09* It's like *00:09* Because he's if I play 'em, I know what's gonna happen to me. *00:09* And i you know, I I could I could go on and on about like *00:09* Yeah. *00:09* Yes. *00:09* But it is not, none of their projects are worth *00:09* As as no one should. *00:09* So definitely you can go listen to that. *00:09* Before the world ended. *00:09* Thank you. *00:09* We're having a baby. *00:09* It's just it's cool to think that *00:09* Like it feels like a trigger, like a like I've used a paintball gun. *00:09* It really *00:09* That's a great question. *00:09* Like, like this is just this world that they've set up, and I get it. *00:09* Like this is par for the course for them. *00:09* Let's call that a goal. *00:09* He's done. *00:09* There you go. *00:09* They won't even know about the Switch Pro. *00:09* Um that is his personality. *00:09* Uh super glad I did, uh, because the physical version of Persona 4 Golden goes for *00:09* Beep boop. *00:09* Are we not gonna just talk about the fact that Alan Wake wrote a person named Alex *00:09* Probably. *00:09* Did you go in 2020? *00:09* Horizon. *00:09* Uh, but I *00:09* I'll figure it out. *00:09* And then I thought, wait a minute. *00:09* They're they're going to make a tiny *00:09* When you re the care it's so good pound for pound. *00:09* That sounds crazy. *00:09* Yeah. *00:09* Yeah. *00:09* How did that come about? *00:09* But *00:09* That's so fun all the time. *00:09* Yoshi's Woolly World. *00:09* In in that it's probably really hard. *00:09* He's super popular, but we need to be a bit more assertive here. *00:09* It it just there's a lot of things to think about with content creators having kids that concerns me on. *00:09* Uh *00:09* And then it a it happens or it doesn't. *00:09* A bunch of money from Epic games, which is also great for me as far as I'm concerned. *00:09* Like I do plan to *00:09* Um *00:09* Like it's no secret. *00:09* I just I want you to form your own opinion about it. *00:09* I just think the like the bait and switch in in Sons of Liberty. *00:09* Okay. *00:09* But I'm not trying to track down your mother. *00:09* And he was like, good job, basically. *00:09* For safety precautions. *00:09* Like I've never been *00:09* I know I know I'm spending my money in a frivolous way, but I w we had a sit down talk. *00:09* I don't feel you know. *00:09* Yeah. *00:09* The plot thickens. *00:09* Like *00:09* Yeah, because I mean the spoilers for everything too. *00:09* Uh oh my gosh, what is that *00:09* Exactly. *00:09* Like I can now on both consoles be like, alright, I'm gonna revisit *00:09* Like s front to back I I just replayed the whole game. *00:09* Just wait if you can. *00:09* Uh and I I like *00:09* I mean I'm still I'm still on the east coast, but I'm I'm in the southeast. *00:09* So this is a story. *00:09* I feel like I can play Golden the way God intended. *00:09* You know, you're still gonna have to fight God. *00:09* Like I'm all in, I'm enjoying every moment. *00:09* But also like *00:09* Like, or more than that at all. *00:09* And so Friday through Sunday or whatever when we went into San Francisco. *00:09* Oh yeah. *00:09* And I'm like *00:09* You didn't tell us that you're gonna order twelve pizzas and thirty sides or whatever. *00:09* You know, I was just having a fun time. *00:09* Oh, if I'm listening to the show I can say it with Greg, 'cause, you know, there's always the same *00:09* Yeah. *00:09* Oh my gosh. *00:09* Microsoft is really pouring a lot into building up like a first party cli I mean *00:09* And I think uh that works to great effect, but I start thinking *00:09* Yeah, it's always good to have something new kind of come to the top. *00:09* I get made fun of by uh Logan. *00:09* I think on *00:09* It all comes back. *00:09* Yeah. *00:09* So and that's where it kind of like *00:09* That's insanity. *00:09* I still I hold on to hope for Agent. *00:09* Like he i just really didn't like it by the end, even though he played all of it in platinum day. *00:09* 2019's the only packs I've been to. *00:10* I didn't and didn't didn't make me feel like that. *00:10* And then he was like, Alright, yeah, let me *00:10* I actually got a good deal on Into the Nexus. *00:10* So uh *00:10* Um *00:10* Yes. *00:10* Or just get on people people can be critical and have *00:10* I'm not just gonna drop 200 nuggets and then hope you come. *00:10* I had to play through the game like twice in a row just to do that basically *00:10* We did Heavy Rain earlier this year. *00:10* So I bought the Death Stranding PS4 Pro. *00:10* And the the *00:10* Honestly, absolutely. *00:10* And you know, Last of Us is like thirty hours and *00:10* And I think people are forgetting that *00:10* I *00:10* He actually had two. *00:10* If you think about like *00:10* Um *00:10* But I *00:10* There's at least one baby a month from now through October in our lives. *00:10* If I had prepped for this and wasn't *00:10* You have a PS5, right? *00:10* Yeah, I mean it's crazy just that we were just talking about Ratch and Clank and *00:10* Like if you did you ever play one T Switch? *00:10* Why don't they make Max Payne 3 style games anymore? *00:10* She's a big fan of it. *00:10* I actually bought Red Dead Two for him and he still plays it to this day. *00:10* That's where my mom lives, so I that's where this opinion comes from. *00:10* I did the thing. *00:10* It's like, man, like this is just so cool that I played this exact game *00:10* I my favorite thing though about all of this um *00:10* Dream? *00:10* I didn't Yeah. *00:10* Uh I would love that. *00:10* Uh and I've lived with this this *00:10* No, but the uh one guy *00:10* Okay. *00:10* And it it did for me. *00:10* I think people are still understating how incredibly cool the dual sense is. *00:10* And *00:10* Like it was *00:10* It's very nice. *00:10* I really think there hasn't been a triple A game *00:10* The things that we play. *00:10* And it's like sometimes that's just life, you guys. *00:10* Before the before the world ended. *00:10* You know, it's not like th there's a lot to go off of but *00:10* You want these Hello Kitty Animal Crossing cards? *00:10* Um and I played *00:10* I'm going to come back and beat this. *00:10* But um *00:10* 'Cause if the game had just been Abbey and had nothing to do with Joel and Ellie *00:10* And I think now with the *00:10* So about a pro. *00:10* It's just it's kind of the way it goes. *00:10* I haven't. *00:10* Like it's *00:10* You don't get to choose that's something they added with four, you know, like *00:10* And I *00:10* Yeah. *00:10* So it just took me a lot longer to get here. *00:10* By modern standards especially. *00:10* So *00:10* Did not get but *00:10* So *00:10* Uh *00:10* It didn't take long at all. *00:10* And I think I don't know when I play a game *00:10* Yeah, I think that might have been it. *00:10* She's a very nice lady. *00:10* Who hooked you up? *00:10* Yeah, I get it. *00:10* But I just feel weird coming to these people and like *00:10* And then I realized, oh wait, Abby doesn't want to play. *00:10* Of course. *00:10* They'll probably use that for three months and then throw it in a *00:10* I have *00:10* Well you like, come on, let's *00:10* Hi, Alex. *00:10* He's the host of a podcast. *00:10* So it's like what's I don't care. *00:10* Um *00:10* I'm like *00:10* And *00:10* And it was Ori in the The Will of the Wisp. *00:10* Heck, Epic Yarn uh Kirby's Epic Yarn on the Wii still looks great. *00:10* Um *00:10* Which I'm excited about *00:10* Could avoid fights. *00:10* I still have Persona 4 for PS2 as well. *00:10* But like *00:10* I did and and I was very much anticipating this *00:10* It's like no Yeah, no, I I try to like *00:11* Do it all over again. *00:11* Like that's how powerful this *00:11* Like that from the coalition, that sounds dope *00:11* I lost it. *00:11* And that's kind of last thing I I've ever interacted with Greg. *00:11* He had the white one and the black one. *00:11* There's a lot of great changes to how like *00:11* It's like, no, like *00:11* Mm-hmm. *00:11* It seemed like a lot of fun *00:11* I didn't like motion the motion control part of it, so that kinda like *00:11* I remember seeing trailers for this movie. *00:11* Yeah, they're trying they're trying to get there *00:11* That would be *00:11* He's just uh a very good friend. *00:11* Support the neck. *00:11* I left the lights behind the TV. *00:11* Yeah *00:11* I don't wanna have an impact on that. *00:11* Like how does that *00:11* Especially *00:11* And I think as soon as you like *00:11* Sometimes I like to fire up uh *00:11* Um *00:11* And you thought you could play PT forever. *00:11* This is such a cool *00:11* You know, that's still gonna be part of it, but *00:11* And sure they've changed and *00:11* I did not. *00:11* And in the end *00:11* And who knows if that's back on the table now. *00:11* A lot of people didn't, but I I liked it just because I was like, ooh. *00:11* Um and *00:11* I mean *00:11* It's been going for a long time. *00:11* And so I told him, you know, I'm like, hey. *00:11* It was just a fact. *00:11* It's like those are *00:11* We don't even have to talk about it. *00:11* Ugh it is *00:11* I wish. *00:11* I never would have seen mine again. *00:11* Anyway, long story short *00:11* I don't know where it went, but *00:11* I'm sorry, but there is. *00:11* Uh Santa Monica, kind of *00:11* Yeah, that was me *00:11* Um *00:11* But *00:11* Yeah. *00:12* But *00:12* Oh no, yeah. *00:12* And like I just need to remember where I left off. *00:12* You were just *00:12* It's it's more than just *00:12* That's like completely absent from *00:12* But what what is a drug to me? *00:12* I was like, boy, yeah, this is *00:12* Um but all I cared about was getting a Vita. *00:12* Um It's you know, it *00:12* And so it didn't feel like a 30 I've *00:12* I caught Nick *00:12* Uh and and that was like *00:12* Do the same *00:12* It's like *00:12* And and I was like, okay. *00:12* Oh yeah. *00:12* Yeah. *00:12* The the funniest part about that night was when Greg *00:12* I found it for 35 bucks *00:12* That's fine. *00:12* Like it's just *00:12* Um and *00:12* It's just like it's too much power. *00:12* And so I was following a guide *00:12* I mean they have *00:12* It just *00:12* And it just *00:12* First time I saw you in person. *00:12* Um *00:12* Yeah, yeah. *00:12* My PS4 Pro. *00:12* It's like this is *00:12* This is the closest *00:12* The the FBI guy saved anyone. *00:12* I really don't and *00:12* I believe it *00:12* And if you *00:12* At some point *00:12* So it it'll it'll *00:12* Sometimes you go to the Dairy Queen *00:13* It doesn't *00:13* Like you gotta be here. *00:13* Come on, Rockstar. *00:13* Yeah. *00:13* Like he just likes to *00:13* Yeah, it's also like *00:13* But I wanna *00:13* And I feel like *00:13* Uh *00:13* And *00:13* I'm like, you need this? *00:13* Um *00:13* Yeah. *00:13* So he's like *00:13* I just *00:13* Yeah. *00:14*