# ‘Like Neo Dodging Bullets’, With Zach Gage – The Talk Show [The Talk Show ✪: Ep. 346, With Zach Gage](https://daringfireball.net/thetalkshow/2022/05/09/ep-346) by John Gruber > Zach Gage joins the show to talk about game design and creativity, including his new game [Knotwords](https://playknotwords.com/). Sometimes you don’t need to finish the episode to know it’s worthy of posting about. A thoughtful conversation on design and game design. And yes – Knotwords is excellent.