# [John Gruber – State of the Workflow](https://www.relay.fm/cortex/169) > "Myke interviews John Gruber of Daring Fireball. They take a deep-dive into how John’s writing takes shape – from capturing ideas and drafting articles to the meticulous editing behind his influential work." It should be [[I Got "Fireballed"|no surprise]] that John Gruber would be a dream guest of mine on [[The Max Frequency Podcast|MFP]]. Myke's interview with John for his podcast inside a podcast *State of the Workflow* is the exact style I have imagined. I've always been curious *how* John approaches doing the work of writing. Now, I know. I'll have to think up some new dream interview scenario with him now.